Your 3D Printer can't do this... Naomi Wu's 3DPrintMill / Creality CR-30 Review

[@giga-chicken]

This is exactly the tool for making 3d printed rc planes. You could print an entire fuselage and the whole wing from tip to tip as a single piece.

[@kaichristiansen8110]

That’d be sick

[@maxman1244]

That's one of my main goals to achieve with 3d printing in the near future I would like to see more of this machine in printing accurate dimensions over distances. If it can keep a fuselage or wing straight and solid throughout its run, I'm sold

[@kaichristiansen8110]

@@maxman1244 I'd probably go the route with printing tons of ribs and skinning the wing with film. do you have an insta? I build planes here & there.

[@maxman1244]

@@kaichristiansen8110 drop me your handle man! I love rc aviation! I definitely would more likely just skin the wings, but I love the idea of having full sets of wings printed out and ready to go Set your printer before you head out for a day of flight, and then if a crash happens, when you get home you can just put the new wings on, Ahh the dream 👀

[@kaichristiansen8110]

@@maxman1244 Lessa_brim

[@make.anything]

Oh man, now I've gotta make a 'belt printer version' of Tippi Tree 😲Belt printing is such a feat of engineering! Great review as always ✌️

[@FOOKYOUTUBENUMBERS]

Feet been using it for years on Treadmills

[@ReverbCanvas]

epic crossover

[@LUTshibe]

@@FOOKKZbinNUMBERS lol true

[@UnwovenSleeve]

You could have a literal production line going

[@KirstyTube]

Small format copiers have been using using ITB / Image Transfer Belts for over 10 years but I guess they have a lot of R&D €£¥$ behind them. I look after a few large format LED toner printers with huge ITB,s and while not easy to level (£150 spirit level required) they work very well. A0 size print in less than 20 seconds, full coverage colour. Don't get me wrong this is a good achievement and hopefully will lead to a new generation of 3d printers... it's just a shame they do not have the R&D funding of the big office copier companies.

[@nicholascrow8133]

Everyone's losing their shit over the printer's geometry, meanwhile I'm sitting here like "is that a full sized sd card slot?"

[@Massive-3D]

uh what. Both of my printers have SD slot.

[@BlackSlimShady]

@@Massive-3D his point is a full sized sd slot

[@justinwright245]

@@BlackSlimShady like the old raspberry pi

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

i like that as its big and i can hold it firmly just because it can be small does not mean it needs to be ..oh how i hate installing sd cards the small ones my hands to big fer that shit lol

[@nicholascrow8133]

@@overbuiltautomotive1299 (sweating) Don't make dick joke, DON'T MAKE DICK JOKE!!!

[@mindtekzone]

Have to tell you as a 70 year old technologist I love new tech like this. I have the CR 3... I've gone from repairing Vacuum Tube TV's in the late 1960's, manufacturing microfilm equipment to solid state plasma TV's and integrated circuits that run everything. All of this tech is in its infancy when it comes to the consumer market so its all going to have some design flaws here and there. I'm so glad to see that there are younger people on KZbin carrying on advancements in their shops.... as an Inventor with 12 patents I wish I had this technology in the late 1960's... next up... just print what I'm thinking! ;)

[@bixby3713]

I thank you for helping to push humanity forward

[@nate6889]

Big flex, lol. Thank you.

[@honkhonk8009]

damn i wish i could be like you

[@nate6889]

@@honkhonk8009 What is preventing you from doing it?

[@honkhonk8009]

@@nate6889 money and intelligence lmfao

[@celestialbeas9214]

gonna wait a couple years on this one, once the software is better developed, id love to get like 3 of these and having them run 24/7...

[@sloanv2610]

My thoughts exactly. You look at the ender 3 and how far it got in a few years of development and I'm sure this thing will have many changes in the future. Never buy the first generation of a product

[@kevin-bf4ww]

if you want multiple later its highly recommendable to buy into the beta and r&d phase now as the future existence of machines like this will be based on early interest, feedback, and profitability

[@noblesse4728]

@Adon Smith I agreed with all opinions, for hobbyists, it's good to wait for better iteration of the printer. But if you use it for commercial business, better get it now since you will recoup the investment and upgrade it in the future, it will give you a better value in the business.

[@celestialbeas9214]

@@kevin-bf4ww While that is true, i am not that skilled enough of a hobbyist to manage a machine like this yet. I have an ender 3, a monoprice mini delta, and a tevo tarantula that i never managed to get assembled. (still working on that one.) So i strongly believe stuff like this should be in the hands of more skilled 3d printers, who will be able to make it into a much better printer with their feedback.

[@foldinoscopy5341]

I was thinking the same.

[@NAK3DDesigns]

Thanks for the shout out to Prusa for support. 😉

[@alfredone78]

Hello Karl! Please, could you share your settings? I own the CR-30 and I'd like to have your same settings! Please!

[@devonhansen1831]

I want it just to print small models repeatedly till I run out my spools. Seems like the run out sensor is almost necessary for this printer.

[@unknown-yo2tx]

@@6moon.s lol he didn't say there wasn't one dummy

[@mattstanislen3165]

@@6moon.s You're an idiot.

[@MidnightMarrow]

@@6moon.s Christ, the man was merely making a joke of it's apparent long running print capabilities and your ass swoops in to dumb down the comments in typical KZbin fashion. Good job. 🤡

[@Oberonjames]

I was literally drooling the entire time while watching this. I want this thing so badly. But right now doesn't seem a good time to by it. Hoping belt printers will get better and cheaper over the next couple years.

[@xm210c]

Cheap 5 Axis functionality with CAD integrated slicers are the solution to most of the problems of this printer. This sort of system with only 3 axis is sadly just not versatile enough.

[@Techburn997]

I think the major changes to belt printing technology would most likely be the specific angle the print head is set. There may be greater benefits to print quality and strength at an alternate angle despite how logical it seems that 45 degrees will give the most advantages.

[@Agamemnon2]

I have no doubt we'll see iterations on the concept, it's just too useful not to. Even if it's probably always going to be more niche than traditional printers.

[@Lucas_sGarage]

Weeell that's what happend with normal 3D printers soooo.... Why not? I mean i won't Buy any belt 3D printer for now but for everyone that wants one Will be fine

[@bluegalaxy90]

I like how his failed prints are still better than mine

[@SuperArmus]

3D printers aren't finicky enough... Creality: Hold my beer.

[@poodlescone9700]

The Z's will keep coming until you relent.

[@thiagoennes]

this. lol

[@bart3596]

just wait for the delta version

[@Mickice]

3D printer: *Holds beer at 45° angle*

[@odinata]

My Creality's are uncannily non-finicky. They work like butter.

[@eskimodot]

Multi-million dollar businesses like creality should not be allowed to start a kickstarter compaign. The only goal is to outsource the risk to the consumer.

[@TechExploresNYC]

I have backed smaller companies before and many of them either come up with poor products or just disappear altogether.... so I'm not sure at this point what's kickstarter purpose.

[@ciarfah]

@@TechExploresNYC Money with little to no risk

[@shinmai]

Yes, that is the point of crowdfunding. To spread the investment risk for a project across the target demographic directly, instead of having to convince investors that a demographic exists. A lot of backers don't seem to understand what crowdfunding is, and are absolutely flabbergasted when projects fail or products aren't as expected... Did y'all not read the FAQs?

[@majstealth]

@@shinmai yep, like investing in a company you never saw and dont even know what they do to bring in revinue

[@xxterpzxx581]

So don't support Kickstarter getting fucked is on you

[@KurtisK94]

The thought behind this is amazing. I'm all for innovation. Anything that pushes the boundaries for people and companies is always a good thing.

[@Sebazzz1991]

I don't think you should assume it is pre-production and the final product will get better.. Why not? Because the CR-6 SE was that too, but at the end of the Kickstarter many flaws found in review were still present. In fact, the final product got a few new flaws (or had them but were intentionally overlooked?). So: back the product as it is - don't back it hoping it will get better. Also, this is the most honest review I've seen. Not just "It is good and I'm sure it will get resolved" - like some other large channels.

[@Sebazzz1991]

@Adon Smith I'm not saying Angus shouldn't assume it mate 😉- I'm saying as a potential backer you shouldn't assume the product will change.

[@Triscuit113]

This really excites me for the possibility of printing things like interior car parts. Reproduction parts like interior trim for older cars can be impossible to find, and it would be incredible to be able to model a new piece and print it at home. Or for making custom parts, like maybe trim around a center console.

[@Drowsyspace128]

Guys we need to remember, this is innovating on a design that has become pretty much standard, so please PLEASE do not judge it based of the highest quality standard 3d printers judge it based of some of the earlier models while people were still experimenting

[@MakersMuse]

Very true!

[@darknessblades]

The first normal Consumer grade 3d printers also printed Terrible, so a new belt system printer is no exception. Mainly because this is one of the first ones to be released for consumsers. without having to destroy a treadmill yourself. For the color of the belt being pulled of, this is not even a issue as to what you can make with it

[@jonthemachine1970]

This is a concept design. Someone will figure out how to make it print level and this model will be like the 8 track tape of 3d printers. IMO. I will wait.

[@MattWeber]

Their goal of $5M on kickstarter before they will release the code is total BS.. its open source FW on a project that was taken from Karl's open source printer design. Charging a ransom for the open source code pretty much is extortion of the user base.

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

They won’t ever reach $5M because there is only $2.5M worth of product available. We did the math. If it’s using Marlin the source code must be released. But since when does Creality follow the law. Oh, that’s right, never.

[@Skott62]

@@jakefromstatefarm8545 I'm thinking they will get the $5 Million. None of the main reviewers are poo pooing the printer in fact they are more generally liking it just like with the CR-6 SE. Time will tell though.

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

@@Skott62 no they literally can’t. It’s an impossible goal. There is only a limited amount of units available. They put a cap on the different kickstarter tiers. If you add up all the units and all the extras it doesn’t come close to $5M.

[@Fugatech3DPrinting]

Regardless of the $5M "goal", they are required to release the source code because they are using Marlin. It is part of the license. Weather or not she makes the design Open Source is another story. I don't think anyone will care because Karl's printer is already Open Source.

[@ericlotze7724]

It's definetly a cash grab, and probably ripped of the White Knight/Squire a bit...BUT: The main issue with those was sourcing that "Single-Weld Stainless Steel, PEI Coated, Print Belt". I hope the CR-30 and that other belt printer on kickstarter...kick start the market for these high quality belts.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Nice work Angus! Glad we got to see the parts you were showing us live, close up on this video!

[@Toastmaster_5000]

You can think of it like comparing a drill to an impact driver: A drill can make holes, screw in screws, chamfer holes, or be equipped with sanding and polishing bits. Drills are very versatile. However, drills are not good at everything. An impact driver is overall less capable, but what it can do, it does much better than a drill. You can usually get by with only having a drill and not an impact driver, but not the other way around. This printer is the same way. It has its limitations, but if you can make use of the infinite Z, getting it becomes a huge benefit to your toolbox. This shouldn't be your only 3D printer, but, it definitely makes sense to get one if you do a lot of 3D printing.

[@Sergiodj453]

Love your honesty with this review, I also will wait on this one! especially on the slicer.

[@TallSteppas]

*I made a super cool vase and sold it for 54 dollars..and in the first 2 hours of being on sale it was already bought!..I’m so happy..*

[@joelkulesha8284]

Any chance we could see a "best printers for 2020" with a few different categories/price brackets.

[@steveh8724]

Umm,, much more interested In best printers for 2021 at this point...

[@colins9616]

There's plenty of videos and web pages for top 3d printers

[@3dPrintCreator]

since a few years of reviewing machines, this is the first machine that actualy makes me smile and want to have it. This is such a new 3D printer, that it can change the whole 3D printing industry in no-time. Thank you Naomi. Thank you.

[@iansimmons7285]

This will be perfect for 3D printed fabric you could make massive sheets of it without stopping

[@ajl8975]

No you couldn’t, it would warp like mad the same as any 3D printer.

[@htko89]

@@ajl8975 "Warp like mad like any 3d printer" is kinda ignorant. I can fill an entire 220x220 sheet on my prusa without warping. I can print a chain mail 220x220 print without warping too. If your printer "warps like mad" printing flat planar sheets, you either have a poor print bed, zero bed levelling, issues with your slicer profiles, or just plain using the wrong filament for the application.

[@ajl8975]

@@htko89 if you think most 3D printers are capable of printing a sheet the size of the full bed you’re pretty ignorant. A good number of them are simply not set up for it. It then also depends on the geometry of the print and the environment you’re printing in. Just because you can print a perfect sheet with your printer doesn’t mean that most 3D printers are even capable of it. If you wanna debate it further you can have the exact same discussion I had with a 3D printer tech and a doctor of advanced 3D printing. I too was ignorant like you thinking that most 3D printers could manage flat sheets, but after I sat and thought about all the stresses you induce dependent upon geometry of the part I can see why perfectly flat sheets are one of the most difficult things to 3D print the same with parts that have no infill.

[@htko89]

@@ajl8975 you didn’t even bring up your own issues but instead said “you cant do it I talked to ppl about it”. K, very “credible” I’m here telling you, you can. Especially linked fabric like chain mail, where stresses aren’t combined like planar sheets. And what stresses? Sure shrinkage will occur in the xy plane but it is VERY minimal at sub 5mm heights. Again I’ve done this, it’s not a printer thing, it’s a material concern. what’s “most printers” consist of to you anyway? The makerbot brand is worldwide known, Creality’s ender series by far is the most numerous amongst hobbyists, and prusa’s printers being a pretty much the face of the “top” consumer printer. All three can do sheets and by far eclipse any other brand out there. If you don’t even know these three names, then you really haven’t been 3d printing or even knowledgeable with the technology.

[@ajl8975]

@@htko89 k I’m gonna bring the tone back down, cos we’re getting pretty heated here. When I had that discussion with the 3D printer tech we were looking at a printer bank with 10 failed attempts at 3D printing sheets on makerbot replicator 2s. I’m not arguing that it’s impossible to achieve, just extremely difficult using hobbyist level 3D printers without controlled environments or a good deal of experience. I’d agree, Mail geometries will be easy enough to print as they aren’t a solid homogenous object imparting as much structural stresses onto each other. I’m just saying that you will not ever get a perfectly flat unwrapped sheet from your 3D printer. You might get close, but it won’t sit perfectly flat, mostly due to tolerencing issues with the printer itself. I can tell you right now I have 2 prints that are flat to my printer bed, but if I put them on a perfectly flat surface they aren’t perfectly flat. They adhere fine to the bed, but I know my bed is not perfectly flat and won’t improve much either. Granted most warps aren’t too noticeable on 3D printers, but if you’re printing a sheet on a continuous rolling bed they will become very noticeable. So how about we both hop off our high horses and end this civilly? Because I know you clearly know a thing or two about 3D printing, but you seem to have assumed I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. Then rather than try to educate me, you went straight on the attack implying that I’m ignorant. On a side note, I run a small 3D printing business and work as a mechanical engineer. As a word of advice, always assume the person you are taking to knows something you don’t. To be fair tho, should have been more precise in my first comment.

[@StormBurnX]

"That bowden tube is long...it's long enough that it might need some mighty retract settings" holy shit this explains so much. The only complaints I'd ever seen about bowdens was the jamming and such, had never even considered this. I've had to blast almost every single print off my CR6-SE with a heatgun to get rid of the stringing and such, and it's taken a solid month of tuning to get rid of the globbing... but I'm still having issues in corners with overextrustion. Might have to bump my flow rate back up a tiny bit and bump the retraction speed WAY up or something, thanks for the tip Angus!

[@Sk1pperin0]

Maybe using a higher quality bowden tube with tighter tolerances will help reducing stringing(for example capricorn). The cheap generic ones tend to be too wide so the filament can wiggle within the tube.

[@StormBurnX]

@@Sk1pperin0 I'll definitely look into this - I'm planning to pick up a second printer, probably the Ender v2, next year, for tinkering and experimenting with things like this. The CR6 is my 'good' printer so I'm trying to be as careful with it as I can for now.

[@user-bs1mi9cy6q]

3:53 Tippi tree!!!😉

[@Octavio-mk5mv]

I was about to coment that xD

[@owenasbassett]

@@Octavio-mk5mv same😂

[@user-bs1mi9cy6q]

Thank you for 30 likes! That's more than i've ever had before on a comment!

[@reesespeanutbuttercups5548]

@@user-bs1mi9cy6q I was ur 40th

[@marq2222]

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[@flymypg]

Some things to think about with this printer: 1. There is no need for the printer to be level: If you incline it 45 degrees (the belt angled down by 45 degrees) you can get rid of many overhang problems, though your print length will be limited to how high the printer is above the floor. For that matter, you can angle it up 45 degrees, if that helps. (Hmmm... Perhaps a powerful "tilt" axis to reduce the need for supports?) 2. The CR-30 truly is targeting a niche market. I don't think Creality can afford the NRE (Non-Recurring Expenses, the up-front costs) with the expectation of amortizing them over years of continuous production. I suspect the CR-30 market will only permit batch production, meaning the first batch must be as large as possible, which in turn makes crowdfunding an ideal path to market. 3. If you've spent time doing puzzle-piece splitting of parts larger than your build volume (there are plugins that help), a belt printer is "needed" only when the puzzle-piece approach won't work. Which further reduces the "need" market for this printer, at least at the consumer level. So stimulating the "want" market is the way forward, which requires marketing, hype and all things viral, which **again** points to crowdfunding to generate enthusiasm on a large enough scale. I think Angus really nailed it by mentioning cosplayers and prop-builders. Folks who want speed and simplicity rather than deal with puzzle-piece part splitting. But not all of them can justify buying this printer for only that purpose, meaning there should be a market for folks to start a small business to buy a CR-30 then contract/sell prints for the cosplay and prop markets. Again, further reducing the overall CR-30 market (but ensuring the printers that do sell are kept busy). Another way to look at is belt printers straddle the line between hobby and professional (production) 3D printing, a relatively small market. The thing is, folks also said that about early large-format 3D printers. Until the CR-10 made them widely accessible. After all, you can still print small parts on a large printer! However, that's not quite as true for belt printers, given their demands and limitations. I mean, has anyone even tried using a 0.2 nozzle and 0.05 layer height on a belt printer? (Being able to do this is why I don't have a resin printer. Yet.) Even at this amazing price, the CR-30 is a tough sell into a small market. Creality runs on thin margins, and their business strategy relies on evolving their product designs and production line quality and efficiency just fast enough to stay ahead of the pack of manufacturers that live at the bottom of the market. And the "bottom" market is getting smarter and better: My own Artillery Sidewinder X1 v4 is proof of that! I can't see there ever being enough market demand to drive a similar level of competition and evolution in the belt printer market. Given reduced market size and higher investment risk, that makes crowdfunding ideal for a belt printer like the CR-30. Seems iFactory3D also thinks so: www.kickstarter.com/projects/ifactory3d/ifactory-one-4-in-1-conveyor-belt-printer

[@NAK3DDesigns]

Oh, and for the record I have 4 printers that can do that, only two of which are CR-30's/3DPrintMill's...😜😂🤣

[@MakersMuse]

Haha ok fair enough but you might be a special case... at least for now!

[@asas-mb4wj]

watching it print at 45 degrees at 10:11 broke my brain and is gonna keep me up all night, this concept is incredible

[@tetsuoZshima]

Were those Tippy Tree parts? Would be fun to build a life-sized Tippy Tree game with this printers ability to print longer pieces!

[@tetsuoZshima]

*Tippi, apparently, oops

[@MakersMuse]

They were! A giant one would be amazing haha

[@rendez2k]

@@MakersMuse I just got the CR30 and my tippy tree parts look awful compared to yours! How are they so nice?!

[@xx1norm1xx]

I will 100% buy one of these in a couple years. Just being able to print 1:1 props just split in half is game changing...

[@shinmai]

I've been watching the Creality 72h CR-30 stream and honestly the CR-30 can't seem to do this either. At least consistently and reliably. If the manufacturer can't make the thing print reliably on their stream, I'm not expecting much from the actual end product.

[@GaiaChrono]

Seems very promising, and an infinite Z axis is heavily appealing! Yet, I wanna see this type of printer become far more refined. Once it is more refined, with less problems and has an ease of access, I'll come back to it again. All the same, Very cool video! I look forward to any follow up videos regarding printers like this!

[@plutonianfairy]

I think the printing in mid air problem can be solved if the z-axis bed could also roll backwards

[@1992jamo]

How?

[@iangraham6730]

First check in in over a year (I've been busy) but its fantastic to see you still flogging out videos Angus! 👏🏻 keep er lit!! 👍🏼

[@FranklinDattein]

Love the engineering and Naomi's involvement on this printer.

[@hendrix232]

I'm gonna get one with the Thanksgiving sale. It looks like it's been very updated with some new motors, wifi connectivity, plating, and a high definition lcd screen

[@duncanpope2899]

Im really glad Karl was recognised for this, what a cool printer

[@Reach3DPrinters]

Sadly, the original 45 degree consumer based belted printer designer, William Steele was not. Although, the Voxeljet was the real original back in 2012... but you could argue the mother of belted printers was made by Pax of makerbot in 2010, though a perpendicular belt.

[@sheikh345345]

@@Reach3DPrinters Naomi mentioned William Steele multiple times in videos and on twitter.

[@Reach3DPrinters]

@@sheikh345345 Ahhh, never saw Naomi's video.

[@sheikh345345]

​@@Reach3DPrinters BTW, they (Naomi/Creality) sent him a review unit and so far he likes it, judging by his twitter (wjsteele). He's also got a review unit from another belt printer kickstarter. Will be interesting to see a comparison between the two.

[@infinate3529]

@@Reach3DPrinters William wasn’t the only one, a couple of my Facebook group members including William Steele developed a hypercube infinite a couple of years back that looks really similar

[@colinfielder6695]

Great video Angus. After much deliberation I have decided to back this on kickstarter as I REALLY want to try this out!

[@davezon]

Have you got yours yet? I've just ordered mine a few days ago for April 20 departure.

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

First question, if that printer uses CORE XY, why then direct drive is not implemented, it feels bit stupid for direct drive not beeing used if u ask me, expecialy for machine that will print almost 24/7 or long prints.

[@MakersMuse]

I'm unsure why it's not direct drive but will probably modify my machine to have it.

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

@@MakersMuse nice, at least someone with logic :P well otherwuse i have to say that this machine looks promising, for someone who needs long print bed

[@estokdt]

@@bajkerjohnvolta Because the weight of the extruder is important, since the X Y is not flat, the motors hold all the weight. Maybe a solution would be to convert it to a cartesian with ball bearing screw, at least on the shaft that supports the weight of the extruder. Or put a flexible shaft or similar.

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

@@estokdt i get that, but still in XY system, you controll weight from 2 sides simultaneously. And there are lightweight solutions for direct drive wich use pancake motor. Also from price point, the way that drive is made now is way cheaper. And still both systems have ota own benefits.

[@NAK3DDesigns]

@@MakersMuse I’m working on a Bondtech DDX upgrade. I’ll keep you posted.

[@shamusobi2748]

Would love to see someone print test aerofoils or a plane body and wings, or even a small scale boats or underwater UAV designs for RC hobbies. This printer will be amazing to test designs for a lot of midsize land/air/water vehicle prototypes.

[@Mobile_Dom]

re: slicing, i believe Josef has said publicly that its unlikely that PS will support Belt printers any time soon. They tried it out and weren't a fan of it (infinite z printers).

[@RomanoPRODUCTION]

Prusa and Creality are competitors, Prusa is higher standard but still, if Creality pays, maybe.

[@Mobile_Dom]

@@RomanoPRODUCTION good point, but I'd be more inclined to believe that had they not just added a load of creality FDM machines into PS's newest Alpha

[@cthulpiss]

@@Mobile_Dom isn't Prusa Slicer fully Open Source? If so, it would be Creality's job....

[@darknessblades]

at least one of the most known issues with bowden tubes is already fixed: The extruder not grabbing onto it. as i can see they already included a stock Dual gear extruder from factory. Though i would recommend them to use a dual sided bowden tube connector. as you can add a bowden tube style filement sensor to it more easily

[@AndrewAHayes]

Angus, you should print a frame for the box piece on the Printmill, it feels so right!

[@justin.campbell]

i think he is a bit of a naomi simp lol

[@dim1723]

It's cool how the tech keeps getting better so fast.

[@MrSweetHart6976]

If Creality offered this on their website right now, I would buy it in a second. But the whole kick starter approach makes it feel like a scam, and actually makes me loose a lot of respect for the company. Despite the fact I already own 3 of their printers and love them.

[@mopesca]

kickstarter is like: "wait, let's see whats happening!"

[@SpydersByte]

yea Kickstarter is a shady thing to do if you're a big company and don't need the capitol. Like another commenter said, all it does it shift the risk onto the customer instead of the company.

[@shamusobi2748]

what wrong with kickstarting? As Naomi said she wants the community to get their hands on it and innovate. It's not a perfect printer. Creality should have just kept it under wraps for two years and perfected it. but now we get a really cheap modified NAKs version but instead of procuring the BOM and building from scratch you have a mostly built one to play around with. To me the fact that it cant print a benchy is exciting, here's a problem that hasnt been worked to death by a 100 companies. And if Creality closes it source we can always go to NAKs and go from there. I'm cool with KS.

[@Jehty_]

@@shamusobi2748 what exactly has that to do with Kickstarter? Creality is just selling via Kickstarter. They could just as well have sold the printer on their own website.

[@shamusobi2748]

@@Jehty_ I dont think crealit wanted to do this, the printer needs a lot of work. I think this was Naomi's call, she said KS it, and if it makes $5M, opensource it. Creality for some reason agreed. It makes no sense. They would actually lose money by selling it cheap and paying a portion of it to KS.

[@nine_bone_nick]

I saw this printer on Instagram a couple weeks ago and as a prop maker (especially one who wants to make a 4.5ft long sword) I was amazed by this design.

[@MCAlexisYT]

“This is more than dope, it’s absolute insanity!”

[@alexandermonta638]

"I know that slicing technology will only get better for this kind of set up, but I do really hope that it will happen quickly..." Here I am 2 years later struggling to find a good slicer. Id really like it if Cura or Prusa made a belt slicer because it would be nice to use their Arachne engine along with a .8mm nozzle to get high quality prints on a larger layer height/width.

[@VincentGroenewold]

Wait.. "well engineered", "over engineered", this is Creality right? :) Would be nice to see if that's really the case, usually the extrusions aren't that precise to get stuff squared etc. And 5 million dollars.... suuuuure. :)

[@rpavlik1]

It seems like Naomi is paying close attention to this given her reputational association with it. I certainly wouldn't rule out last minute dumb choices, but I do trust Naomi.

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

@@rpavlik1 the only thing Naomi is good at is playing the victim.

[@VincentGroenewold]

@@rpavlik1 That is the only thing why I find it interesting indeed, but I do hope that actually works out to be the case. Not hating Creality btw, I learned the hobby on an Ender 2, but that was precisely because I needed to mod it like crazy. :)

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

@@6moon.s huh?

[@NAK3DDesigns]

Structurally it’s built like a tank. It’s the most rigid printer I own. You could and I have carried it by the top crossbar ( yes I know it’s a no no), with no adverse changes in alignment or print quality.

[@mx2000]

For normal sequential printing of individual pieces, you could of course simply have a normal vertical printer and a conveyor print bed.

[@armandoa2484]

As usual, great review. Thanks!

[@davidanalyst671]

I love naomi. Its like she;s investing herself full time into 3d printing, and knows that theres a really fantastic potential here that nobody has tapped into

[@davidanalyst671]

@bleepehdeepdoop right... but what other youtuber has developed their own 3d printer with an actual manufacturing company. elon musk is vain. he controls all news regarding his companies, and hides the bad things he does like he didn't put enough paint layers on a bunch of cars, his cars track wherever you are, and have a camera pointed right at your face while you are inthere. Her youtubes are a little annoying but if she can pull this off, it will be amazing

[@davidanalyst671]

@bleepehdeepdoop nobody else has done this. thats all i'm saying bro. don't get your underwear in a knot

[@Graham_Wideman]

@bleepehdeepdoop If you're interested in more of a perspective, check out NAK 3D Designs comments on this video. That's Karl, who built the belt printer that inspired this one and collaborated with Naomi to get this one into production. And all these comments about Naomi's appearance -- sure, she's into cosplay, and that's one of the markets for this printer, prop making. Does it start to make sense?

[@Sundheden]

I believe the "belt" could actually be made out of a loop of spring steel instead, allowing for better coating. Might need larger rollers, but it's totally doable.

[@Anonymous-rb1xh]

Welding that reliably would probably not be the cheapest process

[@konrad7592]

The coating must also withstand high bend forces while being cooked to at least 60 C. The spring steel will expand when heated, making belt tensioning much more complicated. Either the belt or the rollers have to have a coating on the inside too, since steel on steel will slip when moving the belt.

[@Kalvinjj]

@@konrad7592 well moving the belt and tensioning it I can propose fixes right away: move the belt by sprocket holes on the sides just like continuous feed paper on old dot matrix printers (and new! They do exist, just watched a video on one), tension it up with springs pushing the roller. Indeed the weld would probably be the worst part to figure, likely gonna need thermal treatment after the welding process on the belt, and yes, very large rollers.

[@Kalvinjj]

@Dick Fageroni Sure, but that would still require similar sized rollers to the ones on a bandsaw, but with the width to match the build area. Quite huge for sure.

[@Timetraveler_1]

Wow this is the final line... continuously mass productions and infinite length printing.... 👍🏻🔝✨

[@maximilian.arnold]

Why do Prusa or Ultimaker (Cura) have to invest expensive coding time in modifying their slicer for a printer they do not sell? Is it not the responsibility (by now) from Creality to create a open source slicer? I doubt however that Creality would make their slicer open source, just like they never really publish the actual Marlin firmware they use on their printers. For a lot of their printer the Marlin files do not work once you compile them for the printers.

[@fridrik6]

100% agree, creality should be providing their own (usable) software or contributing to the open source software to add compatibility for their own printers.

[@NAK3DDesigns]

Better for them to donate to a more established slicing software company to add support. Just my opinion.

[@AstrocyteCosplay]

Now this is something to keep an eye on for cosplay! Thanks for a first look and some test prints. That sword is just WOW! How much easier will it be to print big props like this rather than gluing or fusing together. Watch this space!

[@MrTTDARK]

I wanted to back it on Kickstarter. But the price is hard to justify for my needs. I'll wait and see what happens before it's delivery estimate of May 2020.

[@learnMax]

Back in the early days of 3D printers, Makerbot (on their tiny, assemble it yourself, laser-cut wood printer) had a continuous conveyor belt option with an otherwise "traditional" orientation.

[@NicksStuff]

Why would Prusa build a slicer for a printer type they don't sell?

[@MakersMuse]

Creality printers are already in the wizard, and who's to say prusa won't make their own version

[@NicksStuff]

@@MakersMuse I don't think they will be happy implementing it before they're ready to launch a printer on that segment but I may be wrong

[@ericlotze7724]

I think the solution is for us to mass-request prusa to make such a printer !

[@ProtonOne11]

I don't think the Prusa engineers would do it in house. They have enough of theyr own stuff to work on and improve. And you have to consider that if Prusa decides to take features like 45° slicing into theyr software, they have to be able to provide customer support for it as well. I can see why they would not want to do that. Supporting the other cartesian Creality/Ender machines in the slicer is very easy and straight forward for Prusa. It's just some well known mechanical limit values that they need to put in there, to have a machine configuration ready to go.

[@rpavlik1]

I wasn't really paying attention to 3d printing back in the early part of the decade, it's cool I get to be around for this next step. Pretty exciting. Naomi is such a champion for the community.

[@prismglider5922]

She doxed reporters from Vice, not exactly a role model. She had reason to, but that doesn't excuse what she did.

[@twinturbostang]

With that long a bowden tube, maybe they should have gone direct drive.

[@whynotanyting]

"I think I'll get one." "8 points of adjustment." "It can wait."

[@wrxsubaru02]

Why would such a large and well established company do a kickstarter? lol

[@Xploit66]

Its basically just a method of preorder.

[@MakersMuse]

sort of, but with no legal standing if they never deliver. A kickstarter pledge is a donation essentially.

[@Xploit66]

@@MakersMuse I agree with you under normal circumstances but in regards to a well established company like this i think that is unlikely that they would just flat out not deliver anything. It is more that they aren't held to providing exactly what it shown in video, reviews etc. and have a larger freedom for change than a straight forward preorder would allow but that is always going to be based on your trust of a particular company and as far as creality goes they are fairly trust worthy. A little late some times with deliveries but apart from that you can be fairy confident in the fact that you will get what youre backing just potentially a little late and with a few mild changes hopefully for the better.

[@stinkyham9050]

To pass all the risk to the consumer while delivering nothing if production doesn't go well. A totally despicable business practice that only a fool would fall for.

[@stinkyham9050]

@Adon Smith Calling a guy dumb for no reason, typical internet class. To bad you're actually wrong. Marketing is a commercial, viral video or something that actual gives your product mass appeal. Kickstarter just makes people think twice while begging for money they might not get. Maybe the guy asking the question isn't the one that's dumb.

[@lauriewsmith1]

It seems like it would be great to have the belt on the standard printer actually. You could batch print things much easier that way. The only benefit it seems with the 45° slant is for printing longer items.

[@Lambda1235]

7:50 gcode can have loops

[@inund8]

Is that universal? Or does the g-code reader have to support it?

[@charlesbarden2042]

yes but that wouldn't give you the capability to keep adding new things to the printing cue as angus wanted to do.

[@inund8]

@@charlesbarden2042 You could do that with some scripting and octoprint couldn't you?

[@nobotty1451]

@@inund8 just have to add a reset restart code at the end of the printing gcode. Not hard.

[@inund8]

@@nobotty1451 which is good for infinite printing, but you can't use that to do a certain number of parts and then stop?

[@apinakapinastorba]

It sure helps to have a proper Product Owner for a project. Like Josef or Naomi. This is a first Creality machine, for me, that I believe will achieve the out-of-the-box quality it requires.

[@Godonstilts]

My 3D printer IS a Naomi Wu's 3DPrintMill... so it literally CAN do this...

[@digimon916]

So cool that the belt is the Z and not that its just a horizontally moving bed. Its moving "up", horizontally.

[@dreadknot69]

Once I saw the number of places you have to adjust the tension on, that's it for me. I'm out.

[@MrKelaher]

Pretty simple fix to the 45 degree issue - angle the printer "up" from its back somewhat. or indeed at 45 degrees provided the print does not "dig into the floor" (like infi-beam would). Sorted.

[@stinkyham9050]

No way I'm giving a Kickstarter a penny. Call me when you sell it for real.

[@pa9030]

Why not lol, it really isn't that bad

[@stinkyham9050]

@@pa9030 A multi million dollar company off loads their financial risk to their customers, ya that's pretty bad. Ask the backers of the Creality CR6 how that Kick starter went. I hear some people are still waiting for their units even though it's avalible on Amazon right now. I hear others have nothing but QC issues and are constantly fixing it.

[@mobbkopf]

@@stinkyham9050 Exactly my thoughts, bro. As a customer, I do not see why the retail price of this machine is supposed to be three or four times the price of an Ender 3/5, since all materials (except for the belt) are carry-over parts - including the old V-slot rollers, cheap hotend etc. Admittedly, the belt mechanism is more complex than an Ender 3, and the adaptation of firmware and Cura both certainly cost some good effort and money. But for me, Creality stands for cheap printers - in the literal sense. If the retail price for this machine would be half of what they suggest now, I would consider taking a closer look. But if they insist on calling up Prusa-level prices, I would expect them to deliver Prusa-like quality - I. e. responsive 24/7 customer service, high quality brand bearings/linear rails/timing belts etc. - and especially a machine that works and produces perfect quality prints out of the box, without any fiddling and tweaking, as demonstrated e. g. in Teaching Tech's review. Creality built its brand with the success of the Ender 3, but as of lately I feel more and more they are resting on their reputation and only trying to max out their income stream - it started with this Ender 6 Kickstarter desaster; this "Creality WiFi box" also didn't exactly do well to their brand (see the Teaching Tech review), and now this CR30 Kickstarter thing, including ridiculous $5M claims, and of course an even higher retail price tag, despite the lack of any actual innovations. Thanks to other commentors I just ran into the iFactory One on Kickstarter, and I must say that if you want such a belt printer, the CR30 can't even be considered a competition for that machine in my opinion - at about the same price tag as the 3DPrintMill, the iFactory comes with a vastly superior mechanical design, including metal rails, a titan extruder, cable chains, Raspberry Pi, Octoprint and an HD camera, cloud and PrinterGuard integration, and great support, including a personal set-up/calibration session with one of their experts. They claim to have been working on this printer since 2018 and tested it by mass producing "healthcare items" during the pandemic, and the first impression feels just like that - a matured device which was designed with a more sophisticated audience in mind, like 3D print farms (after all they may have a reason to sell up to ten-packs of the printer and emphasize its remote management/cloud printing capabilities in their advertising so much). So, for me, the decision is clear. I'm currently hyped for a belt 3D printer - but it's certainly not the 3DPrintMill, nor any other Creality machines.

[@stinkyham9050]

@@mobbkopf My problem isn't so much with the printer but with kickstarter. If they release the CR30 and the reviews are good I'll buy it, if they aren't I won't. I will never give a penny to a kick starter though. Kickstarter is just a way for a company to raise capital without delivering anything to the customer. It's a predatory practice and I would never support it.

[@mobbkopf]

@@stinkyham9050 Sorry; got carried away I guess. Would say Kickstarter has its pros and cons - it is great for start-ups and one-man companies to get something big going - but a big company like Creality relying on it for their next incarnation of a per se already existing product is highly untrustworthy, imo. If they wanted to probe market response and demand, they should have simply set up a pre-ordering system on their web site, like every other reputable company. I'm also highly suspicious of Kickstarter, since I almost backed the computer game Star Citizen back then (luckily I did my due diligence on Chris Roberts, so didn't invest any money), but this PR stunt here, handing out CR30s to every 3D printing KZbinr possible for "review" whilst at the same time not getting tired of pointing out that these units are "pre-production" and will certainly change before production and delivery - let's say I find this behavior more than shady, and certainly nothing I would put any money in. Like you said, objective, neutral reviews of the production-level unit, then we can talk about a purchase.

[@nidodson]

You have to respect how they own up to problems it has, and how responsive they are for fixing issues.

[@rickyr3192]

are there any special slicers we have to use in order to print with this? Because of the diagonal printing?

[@MakersMuse]

Yes, modified cura.

[@edwardpaulsen1074]

Thank you for the great preview Angus! I knew from the beginning that this was essentially an "infant" technology for the consumer market... one with some excellent potentials and yet a rather specialized niche of the overall 3D printed market... It will be great for performing certain tasks and builds and will have its own quirks and procedures to operate well... just like any other tool... just like a mill and a lathe are used for different purposes... it is just like any other tool in a similar way... if you don't need it for the uses it excels at, Don't get one!! ...and don't bitch about what it cannot do... a hammer is not made to cut wood, quit bashing it for things it was not designed to do. If you *DO* get one, take the time to actually learn how to use it rather than expecting it to be "perfection" right out of the box... EVERYTHING worth doing takes time to learn and become good at. (with some exceedingly rare exceptions)

[@loopymind]

I might be at fault here, but I never could take Naomi serious

[@Graham_Wideman]

What do you think this comment adds to the conversation here?

[@loopymind]

@@Graham_Wideman perhaps that the product she is endorsing by attaching her name to it, doesn't help with me taking her serious, specially when there is a large company bebi g the printer, that shouldn't need crowd funding te get a new product to market. Does this comment help?

[@senatorchinchilla5389]

I've heard of this in industry, but this is the first desktop application I've seen! Pretty exciting.

[@Diabl0pl]

These "overhangs" should be resolvable with some supports. Give it a few years and it will be able to deliver better prints.

[@MakersMuse]

Agreed, a lot of the limitations are software

[@moodberry]

The obvious solution to the overhang issue is a rotating print head. They could put a stepper motor on the rail of the print head axis and allow it to point up, down, or any direction as needed for the geometry of the print. That would be a killer machine for sure!

[@Jeff75684]

One day can you do a review of the anet et5

[@TrafimN]

If Prussa made one of these and gave it their own software it would be sick!!!

[@Mireaze]

2/10 says it's a belt printer, yet didn't print a single belt. Unsubscribed.

[@geeklany]

I really like that you and Joel have different view on pros and cons. Give a better picture about the potential usage. I'm happy to see a widely available CR30 at this price. It will probably push 3dprinting as much the reprap i2 pushed it 10 years ago. Slicer and pronterface were crap, but look where we are now. ✅

[@MustardCrow]

That’s so cool! :OOOO

[@googleyoutubechannel8554]

All the comments from 2 years ago, such optimism, oh well, you can't fault people for overhype too much.

[@hamdersidderihjrnet4560]

"Hey Muse? What is that white stain on the box?"

[@RandoWisLuL]

1:38 im glad you threw that in there because i saw Carl( i believe it was him) and his printer on a video at Bay Area Makers Fair probably 4-5 years ago. It was popular because it was so wacky and infinite z and all. That machine was a real garage built too. It wowed me for sure, sharing an Anet A8 at the time with a buddy. I think a lot of people think Creality and Naomi came up with this idea.....

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

Pre-production? Give me a break. This is going to be the same piece of crap printer that everyone will receive once the kickstarter ends. Also, Naomi is a horrible person.

[@Bmerchin]

I remember this tool! Jake from State Farm, you’re pretty much a virtual stalker at this point.

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

@@Bmerchin just looking out for the community, which you obviously aren’t a part of.

[@lilbitch7657]

ive been following this project a while can't wait to see it finished

[@nobotty1451]

WoW! A clone of a clone of a clone. I'll keep my ender 3 thanks. A few tweaks and it will do the same thing.

[@BlatantlySwedishPGN]

It won't sequentially print 20 identical models without you touching it, it won't print at 45 degrees and it absolutely will not let you print a 6 meter long beam.

[@nobotty1451]

@@BlatantlySwedishPGN I guess you missed the whole tweeking part of that statement. I don't need a conveyor system to print a multitude of prints. There are more simpler way of do that And as far as the whole 45 degree thing. Not necessary. My prints come out just fine. But there is nothing wrong with it if that the type of printer you are looking for. It just seem to be a lot of expense for the same kind of prints. The ender 3 Dose a better job in my opinion.

[@howardjones543]

@@nobotty1451 What tweak is going to let you print 6m long prints?

[@BlatantlySwedishPGN]

@@nobotty1451 you can print super long things with it and once again, your ender 3 won't allow you to print model, after model, after model without you interfering in between each one.

[@nobotty1451]

A simple upgrade. Just a matter of adjusting the bed size in the firmware. But I guess thats why its a kick starter rather than a product. It in early theory development.

[@Dogburt_Junior]

Hey, so I dove a bit into how to make a slicer compatible with the CR-30 when I did my school project to build a slicer from scratch, and found there's two main things required. 1. A warp & rotation of the 3D model along the Y-Z axis. If you look at the gcode for a print for the cr30 in a traditional gcode viewer, you will be able to see the rotation and warp done to the print. 2. Align model 'floor' to Y=0. It's just as it sounds, you want your model 'bottom' to be aligned with the Y-axis plane edge. I'm thinking about making an application to convert traditional models into the warped and rotated models so that you can use any slicer with the CR-30 or similar 3D printer. Just checking if anyone else has thought of this yet

[@thesatelliteslickers907]

It feels weird being so interested in this channel despite not having printer nor desire to ever have one

[@Niloc1922]

This is super awesome! Nice to see revolutionary designs still coming to 3D printing!

[@synoptic1505]

Oh, confusing it with the GR30 (guitar synthesizer), is the first step toward oblivion... legend...

[@nilsdock]

if we add a joint to tilt the print head it could print normal prints as well. and be able to print with extreme overhang in two directions

[@stevesloan6775]

I think that’s the fifth time I’ve watched this since the day you first uploaded it. Great review and Wooo is one super passionate lady. Here’s to more lady tech uploaders!!

[@potatoboi4872]

I feel like adding a specific kind of support to slicers, which will put the model at an angle like the bench was for a good print or support which fades into the print under an angle.

[@trysta73]

In investing it's normal for only about 14% of things to make it to market. Failure is just normal, it was just much more invisible before crowd funding models started appearing. Kickstarter is great, but most people don't think like investors and probably shouldn't be putting their money into things that are, inherently, investments. Investing IS gambling and even if you have a good eye for it it can and will fall through at any point. The crowd funding model is better for both consumers and people seeking investments because it reduces the risk of large investment firms meddling and demanding something inane, the individual investments can be much smaller (making failure less risky), and it makes it faster to bring something to market. The fact we see the failure now is like an illusion or fog lifting, not a sign of something being extraordinarily bad. Great video btw. Thank you for such a thorough review on such an interesting idea.

[@masheroomboi2884]

For Halloween I attempted to print a mandalorian costume, using a printebot simple metal, This printer is amazing

[@StormTheSquid]

I actually feel like this might be a good first printer, for the simple reason that if you've never modelled or printed anything before, you won't have the preconceived notions of how it should be done, and the "quirks" won't affect you in the same way that they affect a "veteran" printer. It's the same sort of thing where if you get a professional chess player (say, Hikaru I think is his name?) and throw them into 5d chess with multiverse time travel (yes, this is a game), they'll be completely lost (you can find his first reactions on youtube), but if you throw a chess noob in, they'll sorta get it almost immediately.

[@VorpalGun]

A full six degrees of freedom robot arm doing 3D printing would be cool. Then you could do arbitrary and changing layer directions, especially if combined with a turn table for the build surface. I have seen some experiments with this (one with an industrial robot and a MIG welder), but nothing for hobby or even prosumer use. It also takes the complexity of slicing to a whole new level.