Your Mother once thought as you do

[@JarJarBricks01]

I'm pretty sure I actually made this line on ElevenLabs and shared it on Adywan's ROTJ thread a few months back. Surprised it made its way all the way over here.

[@MangetsuSAMURAI]

Good job. It's probably one of the only things I'd be okay with being added to the original films.

[@poseidon5003]

A lot of peeople see Vader igniting Lukes lightsaber as threatening . I think that was just a bonus effect. Vader was admiring Lukes skill. Deep down he's "My boy built a wicked lightsaber. Yeah."

[@martyg8137]

I agree, I never interpreted this as a threatening gesture. He was just checking out his piece

[@MrJerkkeri]

Way i see it, he activated the lightsaber because he was trying to change the subject that was emotionally uncomfortable.

[@poseidon5003]

@@MrJerkkeri Maybe, but I disagree. Vader wasn't uncomfortable until Sideous was electrocuting Luke to death. Vader saw through Lukes agenda and changed the subject. Not because Vader himself was uncomfortable. The only part of Anakin that spoke to Luke in that scene was the line "It's too late for me....."

[@camcordernonsense5264]

Me too. Luke might be wondering what is he going to do with that ignited light saber?

[@Nintendoggy]

"My son built a pretty wizard saber"

[@BranakinSkywalker]

Even if the prequels didn’t exist and he said this instead, that would still be a really powerful statement

[@Yabuturtle]

It would have been nice for Vader to mention anything about Luke's mother. And now with the prequels, it makes even more sense for him to mention Padme.

[@matthewrosenthal753]

I agree it makes a powerful statement if Luke knew anything about Padme. But he didn’t. The other problem here is that you have all forgotten that Vader avoids those very memories and statements because it brings him pain and conflict.

[@ImYourOverlord]

Especially after she chose oblivion rather than for him to bring her back from the afterlife.

[@ob1spyker]

Yes it would have still been a powerful statement, maybe even more so, but as a function of the story at this point it makes more sense to mention Obi-wan as the connections are already established, and the audience is more familiar him. Mentioning his mother instead of Obi-wan also suggests a much larger role Luke’s mother played in the development of Darth Vader, which of course after prequels you can say this is true. This deep into the conclusion of the story arc mentioning his mother and suggesting the influence she had over Vader would have seemed out of place. It would however been a nice piece connective tissue between this scene and the scene on Endor where Leia describes what she remembers of her mother. I’m happy with the choice of using Obi-wan, when you include the prequels, mentioning Padme could have made sense.

[@matthewrosenthal753]

@@ob1spyker I disagree. In that Leila’s mention is from a direct question. The conversation also tells us that at this time Luke doesn’t know anything about his mother aside from the fact that she lived. When placed in the context of what the characters know as it should be. It makes no sense to mention someone to Luke that Luke doesn’t know. Vader mentions Obi Wan in his effort to reach Luke. It doesn’t work because Luke knows from Obi-Wan that he didn’t feel that way.

[@peggaislag]

Honestly, "It is too late for me, son" hits so hard and it's rarely ever mentioned. You can hear how desperate he truly is

[@thuraya53]

Man. Just watched this. That line hit real hard. Lost father years ago. And I'm a father. That really hit

[@elta6241]

It’s a very meaningful scene. He can see his son is a very different opponent now and that he’ll probably be killed. He wants to go back but he can’t. RotJ always had two tough acts to follow but it does a very good job no matter what anyone thinks.

[@rjeffrey743]

I love these little clues that Luke is gradually succeeding in making Vader more vulnerable. Anakin had a big but angry heart. The end of ESB is the first time since Padme’s death he expresses a desire and a vision for his own future (for Luke to reunite with him), and he’s pretty heartbroken in TLJ. Darth Vader and Luke are both great reminders that change requires facing strong emotions, not acting on them (the Sith) or suppressing them (the Republic), but facing them-the true message of the Jedi

[@michaeldexter2544]

Luke is his mother's son, whereas Leia is her father's daughter. It was Luke's unconditional love and his refusal to give up on his father that ultimately brought Anakin back to the Light Side. Leia could never have done that -- not because she was weaker or less capable than Luke, but because she was too much like their father -- driven in part by her pain and anger, and thus incapable of believing that someone like Vader could be redeemed. Leah had seen (and been on the receiving end of) too much pain and cruelty to believe that someone like Vader could be redeemed, and she had too much pain and anger over what she had seen and experienced to be capable of even *considering* that Vader might be redeemable. Luke, perhaps somewhat ironically, had led a much more sheltered life than had Leia. Because of this, he had the luxury of believing -- perhaps to the point of naiveté -- that no one is beyond hope of redemption. Like Padme, Luke believed that no one is evil by nature, and that no one is truly beyond redemption, so long as they are offered love and forgiveness. And -- at least where Anakin Skywalker was concerned -- Luke was right.

[@drummerrck]

Unfortunately he couldn't have that same energy with Kylo.

[@michaeldexter2544]

@@drummerrck The sequels never happened, and you can't convince me otherwise! Everything that we saw in the sequels was just a bad dream Luke had after drinking a bad batch of blue milk!

[@PercivalC]

Great analysis!

[@irohyes]

Well stated Mike I like your thoughts on this

[@MonsterClub185]

​@@drummerrckwhat are you talking about? I've never heard of any sequel's

[@jamesboulger8705]

Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker is a textbook example of character development. To go to here from what he was in A New Hope

[@danielyoung1074]

That's why Luke is one of the best, well written movie characters in the last 50 years. And also why Rey's character in sequel trilogy never really got over with most S.W. Fans. Lack of long-term character development.

[@MAnuscript421]

"But I was going to go to the Toshi Station and pick up some power converters!" 😫

[@livinlicious]

He only became a fully and complete Jedi when he refused to kill Vader. Even Sidious acknowledged that he had a Jedi in front of him and took him finally serious as the only danger in the galaxy left.

[@frikizone2.03]

Totally, I always admired Luke's evolution, it helped me a lot while I was growing up. Too bad Mark Hamill is such a bad person, the difference between actor and character is simply heartbreaking.

[@iceprincess1898]

​@@frikizone2.03 what do you mean by Mark Hamill being a bad person? I haven't really kept up on the actor side of this, just the characters.

[@alpha5664]

Luke is more like Padme than he is like Anakin.

[@AlexNasvik]

Exactly! Leia is more like Anakin than she wants to admit.

[@MarcusPearl]

Luke is more like his first Jedi master than either one of his parents

[@alpha5664]

​@@MarcusPearl you mean Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi?

[@MarcusPearl]

@@alpha5664 Yes sir

[@bkjeong4302]

@@AlexNasvikwhich is ironic given she hated him up until her own death, and you can’t really blame her.

[@JoeySpesh]

“Your mother once thought as you do” would have been such a great line because padme pleas to him on mustafar “Come away with me. Help me raise our child. Leave everything else behind while we still can!” and even she couldn’t bring him back

[@trevturp6891]

The reason she couldn’t bring him back was, because Obi-Wan showed up. I’m not saying it was his fault though.

[@christianealshut1123]

@@trevturp6891 Just bad timing, I agree. But the essential conversation between Padme and Anakin was already over before he appeared.

[@drummerrck]

​@trevturp6891 I'm not sure that's the reason though. Anakin was refusing to run before Obi-Wan showed up. He did it for Padme ostensibly, but really it was the most powerful he had ever been it even felt, and you can hear it when he says "we don't have to run anymore". He's drunk on power, seduced by the dark side, and I don't think anything would have saved him in that moment.

[@christianealshut1123]

@@drummerrck Yes, I agree, if anyone could have saved him, it was Padme, and even she could not at this point, and I think this is what breaks her. Before that, she had to realize that the political ideals for which she gave so much had died "with thunderous applause", and (as the novelization makes clear at this point) she pours all of her hopes into the bond with Anakin, thinking that she still has him. And this comes crashing down in this scene, so she's doubly defeated. All the more so, Anakin's wish to practically become a dictator harks back to a conversation that he and Padme had n AOTC in the meadow picnic scene, where Anakin also implicitly advocates dictatorship in a seemingly ligh-hearted remark and Padme also seems to recognize it (she even openly states that this sounds like advocating dictatorship), and that should have been a red flag for her then. Although she is a strong and determined woman on the outside, she is also very vulnerable on the inside, and especially as far as her relationship with Anakin is concerned. There is a scene in the novelization of AOTC where Padme talks to her older sister about the work-life balance in her life and it becomes clear that while she has chosen to serve her people, she has put her private life more or less on the backburner and Sola (her sister) thinks this is not good. Anakin seems to be the first young man she opens herself towards this totally, and she actually throws caution to the wind in this respect. There are already a number of red flags that should have made her think in AOTC, such as his words when he comes back from slaughtering the Tuskens, as well as their conversation in the meadow picnic scene. And one should think that Padme would be mentally strong enough to withstand the strain, as in one of the deleted scenes she talks about the refugee relief mission she served on when she was merely eight years old, where they relocated children from a planet whose sun was dying, and the mission was not a success because they were unfit to survive outside of their homeworld. So she knows that doing and giving all you can may also lead to failure, but she does not seem to be able to implement this knowledge now. But she will save him more than 20 years later through her son.

[@downwardsaerial2239]

And in the end, it was not the power he inherited from his father that saved him, but the kindness he inherited from his mother.

[@FreakDaMIghet]

Oh, dude. That just made me choke up a little.

[@AlTilleyTheBum-pt4mx]

“Your mother once thought as you do.” That line would’ve been more impactful, along with directly tying the prequels to the movie.

[@sw1000xg]

The prequels don't exist

[@AlTilleyTheBum-pt4mx]

@@sw1000xg Prequel skeptic detected. When you really think about it, they’re not that bad.

[@sw1000xg]

@@AlTilleyTheBum-pt4mx compared to the new films they're genius works

[@birthcontrolraccoon9785]

​@@sw1000xgThe acting and dialouge for the prequels was problematic but the back story of Anakin was good.

[@AlTilleyTheBum-pt4mx]

@@sw1000xg Right. George Lucas actually knew what he was doing. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson had their own ideas, and that’s how come the sequels turned out to be lousy by comparison.

[@badboi6247]

That line can work even without the prequels. It would make you wonder what she was like.

[@Rometiklan]

"Then my father is truly dead". The 2 stormtroopers were like, "WTF? Luke Skywalker is Vader's kid?! Wait'll the guys hear about this!" Then after the troopers deliver Luke, Vader Force chokes the both of them to stop the info from spreading.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Or better yet, Vader tells them: "This is not the man you're looking for. He can go about his business. Move along." 😉

[@CT-pi2gl]

Luke pretty much deliberately phrased it to avoid involving the bystanders in the conversation lol

[@MrScaryPasta]

RIP James Earl Jones 🥺 Gone too soon but not forgotten.

[@Mr_Winster]

Mr. Jones has been around since before most of us were even born, so he lived a good long life. But yes, he will never be forgotten. His legacy shall prosper in our memories.

[@adammilette3076]

_"Remember..."_

[@jm7804]

Gone too soon? The average male life expectancy is 76. He lived to be 93.

[@chasevanderdussen8690]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@emithefreak6631]

Too son? Bro, dude was 93 years old lol

[@SeptimusPrime]

I imagine he was crying under the mask when Luke said that.

[@alpha5664]

Well, he was crying emotionally. His tear ducts were destroyed when he burned up on Mustafar.

[@mattshanley6755]

I feel like this scene was the return of Anakin

[@R3DSH1FT196]

No.

[@LaKellita1]

He had no tear ducts.

[@General_Kenobi_212]

​@alpha5664 Yeah, the description of his injuries and his reaction to them in the novel (Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader) was really chilling.

[@patatebanine4278]

Luke has his father's strength. his mother's belief and determination

[@ryanspencerlauderdale687]

And her willingness not to fight unless absolutely necessary. If you think about it, that is an essential Jedi quality.

[@brian_belmont87]

The emotion, the acting. Such a AAA experience that Disney could never re manufacture. Even though he is wearing a helmet you can feel Vader's expressions changing through the scene.

[@Retsler54]

"Your mother once thought as you do", would have been great. Audiences back in 1983 would have thought om Vader once being more human. People would also have thought about that woman, who she might have been.

[@ThunderBZaper]

Luke: “Come with me.” Vader: “Your mother once thought as you do.” Dang, I just realized…

[@coleneil2239]

What makes it more intense is that Vader says this with his back turned to Luke. He only turns to Luke to say he's on the dark side.

[@Cometstarlight]

“It is too late for me, son.” Just hits deeply. Like Anakin is below the surface but still can’t completely break through.

[@dk6419]

This, at least to me, makes more sense and, as others say, a greater impact. The love of his life still believed in him right till the end. This is an edit I wouldn't mind being put into the original.

[@trevturp6891]

Why would that be a greater impact?

[@dk6419]

@@trevturp6891 um....it's Luke's mother and the love of anakins life.

[@freebandz4332]

I don't think Vader would ever bring up Padme's name to Luke personally, Anakin would but not Vader. He'd cringe at the mere mention of it. He hates Kenobi so he's able to dissociate his guilt with him, while with Padme he knows he killed her.

[@mccannimation]

Pros and cons of this edit: I love the concept of this dialogue and how it fits with Padme telling Anakin he’s a good person on Mustafer and that he should come away with him. It also shows the conflict Luke senses, because Vader is bringing up painful memories he would normally bury deep down. My one issue with it as an edit is Luke’s reaction. Mark Hamil in this scene doesn’t react at all to the mention of Obi-wan because he is familiar with him, but his reaction would be totally different if his mother was brought up in conversation. That would open a whole new can of worms and direct the rest of the conversation/scene in a totally different way. For instance, how could Luke not ask follow up questions? For that reason, I wouldn’t want to see this become an official change. I still think it’s a fun concept and fan edit though. Perhaps in Vader’s mind, he was about to say his mother thought the same, but then he altered the truth and said Obi-wan, just to avoid that topic with Luke. It’s common for people to alter/hide details when talking about true events. I expected the Kenobi series to build off of this scene, but it didn’t quite turn out that way.

[@Yabuturtle]

I don't think Luke would ask additional questions, despite the fact that he'd want to. Vader was already trying to change the subject anyway even in the original, saying he must obey his master and Luke must turn. Luke would know that Vader would either ignore it or change the subject entirely. Seeing how they know they are family, I figure it'd be naturally for Vader to bring up his mother, but because of the memory being so painful, he doesn't continue talking about it. Plus Luke is there to try to convince Vader, not bring up memories. ^^

[@mccannimation]

@@Yabuturtle I see your point for sure. The follow up question idea was just an example of how Luke would react differently. The main point I was making was the acting in the scene was based on Obi-wan being mentioned. Even if it was just in Luke’s facial expressions, his reaction would be totally different. Or maybe his reaction would be subtly different. Either way, It’s all just fun speculation.

[@machineblue6212]

Yeah I completely agree. Luke knows Obi-Wan, it makes sense that his reaction is more subdued when Vader references him. If Vader, his father, made reference to his mother, I think there'd at the very least be some kind of flinch. I also think it doesn't make much sense either for Darth Vader to specifically reference Padmé in this scene either considering only moments earlier he refuses Luke's insistence of Anakin's existence, and arguably by extension the person who most made him feel whole. I understand there's a lot of expanded material that's come out since then that delves deeper into Vader's morning for the life he lost as well as those he either directly or indirectly killed, Padmé most of all, but I've always felt that expanded, supplementary material designed for hardcore fans should not be so instrumental in the storytelling of a widely released film, especially when considering the context of when Return of The Jedi and the Original Trilogy as a whole was made.

[@bucketspree4952]

​@@mccannimation I agree, even if the reaction was different in a subtle way, it would add a lot to the scene

[@massmurdertron51]

Agree dif face tho It would be a reaction nonetheless even if he kept quiet which I think he would done or dias simply my mother ​@@mccannimation

[@slashtitan1035]

I’ve always thoughts for the longest time it would have been a much more powerful statement had Vader said “your mother once thought as you do”. Like a callback to when Padme told Anakin “come with me” on Mustafar. Very glad someone made this!

[@functionatthejunction]

Vader: Your mother once thought as you do. Luke nods. Vader: And Obi Wan. Obi Wan once thought as you do too. Luke nods. Vader: And Ahsoka. Luke: Wait, who?

[@MaguireMemes]

Give it a few years son, you’ll meet her eventually.

[@General_Kenobi_212]

".....and she was a good friend." Luke: 😨

[@lessermook7608]

on god, Assoka is a contrived af retcon. The Padme, Anakin, Kenobi dynamic is enough. She doesnt even fit naturally.

[@tbowie614]

At 2:34 in his mind, he's probably thinking "Well aint that some sh*t....." 😂😂

[@functionatthejunction]

Well there goes that plan lol.

[@vizokholiekire8929]

Didn't Obi Wan say that to him as well🤔 about his friend being truly dead

[@peacespreader1312]

@@vizokholiekire8929Because Disney recycled that, to have one not so emotionally boring scene as in the lots of Films and Shows they have produced.

[@HotJaaJ]

Looking back at this now I never knew the line 'then my father is truly dead' was subtly nodded to in the Kenobi series after their final fight where Kenobi says "then my friend is truly dead". Nice touch.

[@dilloncrowe1018]

I don't like most of the changes of the remastered versions, but if they did this, it would go SO hard, IT DOES GO SO HARD! And it's so simple too.

[@TobiasWettergreen]

But I like the music at the end of the updated movie.

[@LordTalax]

Settle down, emo.

[@dilloncrowe1018]

@@LordTalax the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[@tylerwade6539]

Normally, I wouldn't like changes to the original trilogy but I would approve this. The weight behind those words is a lot heavier with Padme than with Obi-Wan.

[@wayneblake2222]

I love this scene so much emotion between father and son. The new line put in still works like the original even without the prequels existing now.

[@stephenjohnston7630]

Single best scene in the franchise, IMO. Jedi isn't my favourite of the movies, nor is this even from the best sequence, but just these few minutes of dialogue bring absolutely everything together. The "mother" edit doesn't really change anything, but it is an interesting idea.

[@jay-rev]

These lines are so effing menacing, man. Vader is sick! The good side of him barely still attached, maybe kept Luke alive, maybe saved the Galaxy by wasting Palpatine!

[@Zemisery]

"So ... This is what they call a heartwarming family reunion" like scene

[@ZainR]

I know it's unintentional but the music at 1:15 always did remind me of Across the Stars

[@JBTriple8]

Lukes compassion does come from his mother but him being reactionary as well comes from Anakin Why I don't think his character was ruined in the Sequels.

[@devinthierault]

The absolute resepct he commands and gives to the storm trooper officer is amazing.

[@alexshank1414]

Stormtroopers: “Wait! Vader has a son?! Wait till the guys hear about this!”

[@drkinferno72]

Gets force choked 😂

[@dbnews1430]

Luke should have said "Father, you are under arrest. Guards take him away.".

[@carsonwinbigler2364]

They should have definitely added that in the movie in the special edition.

[@LaurenceQuint]

I wish ROTJ had had the foresight to actually make this the line, since Luke and Leia's mom receive only the most fleeting reference in the trilogy. And, based on what we know of the PT, it actually fits whereas saying "Obi Wan" actually doesn't.

[@The_Devil_Himself]

Especially since Luke and Leia's first conversation about their mother was the scene right before this one.

[@freebandz4332]

Well Kenobi did try to reason with him until he saw far gone Anakin was after choking Padme. He tried again just before defeating him.

[@drummerrck]

​@@freebandz4332Honestly he tried to reason with him pretty much the whole battle. Obi-Wan makes very few offensive strikes on Mustafar and, imo, goes intentionally slowly on the attempted kill shot (when he's standing over Anakin in the control room) because he doesn't actually want to kill him. That's why it's so heartbreaking when he screams "you were the chosen one", because all of his efforts had failed.

[@freebandz4332]

@@drummerrck Agreed. He also had the opportunity to kill him when Anakin jumped onto his platform and nearly lost his balance and fell into lava, he could've simply kicked him into it while his guard was down.

[@baldmoviebuff898]

"Then my father is truly dead". Those words stung Vader like no other

[@usuzel]

I saw this and the other two at the drive in when they were released and i have been a fan since, greatest sci-fi sage of all time.

[@matthewwilliamson1775]

That’s the one thing I would’ve done differently with the original 6. Build the links between them so we substantiate the relationships we needed to see. Luke and Leia and Padme. Padme would’ve been so proud of them. As one example. Vader and Leia as well. To see how she would prolly wanna take revenge against him when she finds out he’s her father

[@Olamchesed]

She also said come with me

[@functionatthejunction]

I suspected her of screwing Obi Wan... now I expect of you the same.

[@johnetheridge5833]

Rest in peace james earl jones you are now one with the force

[@primal1233]

I really wish he would have said that line in the movie. It would have been much more impactful and emotional

[@Yabuturtle]

That would have made way more sense for him to say that and more consistent. When Luke said "Come with me.", Padme said pretty much the same thing as well in Revenge of the Sith, where she said "Come away with me.". That would have triggered that memory and both Luke and Padme were the only ones who believed that Anakin could be redeemed. Plus Obi Wan didn't believe Anakin could be redeemed and it would have been nice for him to mention Luke's mother. If there was another edition of ROTJ made, this should be included in it. ^^

[@christianealshut1123]

I think with Disney having laid their fingers on the franchise now, we would have to wait long for such revisits. 🥺

[@CantRead1]

​@@christianealshut1123this has nothing to do with Disney. This scene is way too established to make a major change like this. If anything, you should trash George Lucas for having not changed the scene for years.

[@burtonryan50]

It actually makes far more sense now to have this statement there, and it makes Padme's final encounter with him more meaningful & tragic.

[@rayanrahal2944]

No but this makes so much more sense given Obi-Wan didn’t even attempt to try and actually get through to him sincerely in RoTS

[@massmurdertron51]

He did but not enough for Anakin which is why I still agree The ot makes it seem like obiwan was Luke separate to believe in him

[@Revolutionairy935]

I had to check this out, i thought dude be talking bout my mom, 😂😂😂😂

[@retluoc]

I forgot that line. As for that lightsaber... it's green. I heard that focusing crystals were scarce, so he used an ancient Sith technique to forge it. It should have been red... but Yoda made him focus so strongly on the force that it came out green. 😀 That might be another reason that Vader was so impressed.

[@lukeypup95productions53]

"You don't know the power of the Dark Side? I must obey my master." - Darth Vader RIP, James Earl Jones

[@elisabethcordeamidala-skyw5066]

1:53 What?! He actually said that…

[@harvestercommander3250]

No, unfortunately. I’m pretty sure it was AI for the idea. In the actual movie he said Obi-Wan. TBH this would have been a better change for the special edition.

[@shadowbeast2276]

He says "Obi-Wan" once thought as you do "Your mother" was probably added with AI

[@GR8NE55]

Honestly, the Obi-Wan line is better because Obi-Wan actually fought him to convince him to come back and truly thought he was worth saving and told him that when he left him to die. Vader would have had no idea that Padme actually said that he still had good in him.

[@davenewsom5985]

​@@harvestercommander3250Damn...that Sucks. I was hoping it was a remastered scene...😔

[@tonylang3163]

He said Obi-Wan originally

[@bencewohner305]

The Lion King, 1995 - Scar: But the king is dead.

[@simplelifelost]

Best movie scene ever…

[@FreakDaMIghet]

I've always said that this is the one change I would make to the original trilogy.

[@linden7362]

I never thought that mask could convey so much emotion. At the end when Vader turns away, he stares off almost as if thinking, "... little prick got to me."

[@readysetactioncommentaries]

“Then my father is truly dead.” That hit Anakin so hard, cause Obi-Wan once said the same thing, only Obi-Wan’s friend was truly dead. Obi-Wan tried to bring Anakin back, but saw his friend had become what he feared, twisted and evil and unable to return to the light side. But Obi-Wan saw the good and pure heart that was Luke, he knew he could turn Anakin’s heart light again.

[@pabloan2075]

the sadness in Vader's voice when says "It is too late for me, son..." It just breaks my hearth

[@richardched6085]

They could have fixed this ROTJ pothole by having Obi-Wan actively trying to reach Anakin in the Kenobi series. But as it stands, this edit may be the best option.

[@elderliddle2733]

Obiwan did think that. It’s not a plothole. In ROTS he didn’t immediately confront Anakin. He wanted to see if Padme could help him. Obiwan had hope that Anakin would turn back with Padme’s pleadings. When he heard Anakin say he would take over, it was clear the Dark Side had him. Anakin had to be stopped. Even during the fight Obiwan pleaded to see that Palpatine was evil. Only when Vader said, “this is the end for you, my master.”, did Obiwan realize Anakin was too far gone to save. He tried to reach Anakin during the fight. He stayed back to allow Padme to help. He absolutely believed Anakin could be saved.

[@richardched6085]

@@elderliddle2733 The point is that Vader mentions that Obi-Wan felt this way. How could he know that if Obi-Wan never outwardly showed it?

[@Deathpool_04]

⁠​⁠@@elderliddle2733 Anakin wouldn’t have known that though. At the time of their mustafar encounter, he thought Obi-Wan was there to kill him along with them having their fight where Obi-Wan tries to kill him multiple times, and how Obi-Wan left him to die on Mustafar. Obi-Wan telling Anakin that Palpatine was evil wouldn’t have mattered since Anakin already planned on killing him which Anakin says when talking to Padme.

[@Solkre82]

"Then my father is truly dead." That's what I've been saying. Christ you and Obi-Wan take forever to listen! - Vader

[@BattleshipAgincourt]

Why did Luke ever think this sociopath was capable of saving? This was a save 100 throw with Luke rolling a 1 with 100 bonus. By all logic Vader was not worth saving, owing plot armor to make the ending work.

[@Yabuturtle]

He knew the moment Vader decided not to kill him. Vader could have killed him multiple times. That combining with the fact that he knows he his Vader's son leads him to belief that there is conflict within him and that he can be saved. He wasn't 100% certain he could do it. He did know that Vader could be redeemed, but he wasn't sure if it would work. He had to give it a shot.

[@massmurdertron51]

I agree tho this was his only way to be redeemed thru. His family and even then Vader barely ended up doing it too luke called the bet right. He wouldn't be able to take sideous on anyway so we'll woryh gamble😅😅 lol

[@gordonfreeman5735]

Because Vader is family and Luke didn’t want to kill his own father. He’s not that kind of guy, even if you could argue that killing Vader is for the good of the galaxy Luke has a moral view that sees that as outright bad so he wouldn’t do it. Likewise Luke can tell that Vader could’ve easily killed him multiple times across the movies and yet chooses not to, meaning that to some degree he must feel affection for his son. Another point is that at one point in his life Anakin was a good man. A very good man if Obi-Wan is to be believed, so logic dictates that in spite of losing his way Vader is not rotten to the core like Palpatine, merely led astray by bad choices. Who’s to say that he couldn’t become that man again by making the right choice? This scene itself also confirms that Vader has the capacity for redemption, not believing that he is incapable of it but rather claiming that ‘it is too late for him’. Vader knows that he’s done wrong but believes that he’s too far gone to change that. But knowing his wrongdoing and regretting his choices proves that he could make the change back to the light if he had sufficient motivation. The kind that Luke gives him at the end of the film, saving the life of his son. I also think calling it ‘plot armour’ isn’t true at all. It’s not like Vader is surviving attacks that he logically shouldn’t, it’s that the only character who could stand against him has a motivation to specifically not kill him that is rooted in that character’s ideals.

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

Trooper 1: Were we supposed to hear that? Trooper 2: Hear what. Trooper 1: Good point.

[@SiXiam]

Yeah they both were smart not saying a thing!

[@brycecrane2569]

As far as I’m concerned, this is canon

[@readysetactioncommentaries]

Goodbye James Earl Jones. One of the most brilliant actors of all time and the voice of two of the most iconic characters ever.

[@emmanuelchavis6999]

I would have said my father is truly dead see you later pops

[@teamexpress851]

Luke when Vader ignited his green light saber: 👀

[@LeonMRr]

ST1: Did u hear that? That kid's Darth Vader's son! ST2: Eh, they don't pay me enough to pretend I have a personality

[@facestabber51]

Luke missed a golden opportunity to reach Anakin. All he had to do was say, "Tell me about my mom. What was she like?"

[@enthusiasticallydry]

vader would’ve just looked at him quietly and said some mysterious shit like “my wrath prevailed over her mercy”

[@SmoothBlack108]

Ahhh star wars, when you were good. Ill never forget

[@LeonardMosca]

In return of Jedi this favorite original scene

[@AllFatherMedia]

This would have actually been an acceptable change for the revised editions ngl

[@OceanGateEngineer4Hire]

The only issue is, there's no way Luke wouldnt have jumped at the chance to keep talking about his mother. Not least to satisfy his own curiosity about her, but because it would be an obvious way of stirring Anakin Skywalker's feelings, which is the main thing he is trying to do. I just dont see Luke being silent in response to this rare opportunity. He'd have straight up ignored Vader's dark side sales pitch and said something like "What was she like? My mother?"

[@christianealshut1123]

Well, at that point he still thinks he has no memories of her, so there is no way of him stirring his father's emotions with the memory even though he notices it moves Vader...

[@skeleton599]

honestly it would probably piss off vader

[@OceanGateEngineer4Hire]

@@skeleton599 From anyone else, yes, but not Luke. Everything Luke is doing and saying in the scene would be mortally impertinent if it were anyone else doing it.

[@AlexNasvik]

Obi-Wan never even tried to turn Anakin back to the light side. He never even once told Anakin to come back with him. So why would he even say “Obi-Wan once thought as you do?”

[@storybuff4939]

He did on Mustafar. He did in an agressive manner but he tried. He tried but he fails. The whole dialogue on Mustafar after Padme drops is Obi-Wan trying to get Anakin out of his nonsense

[@trevturp6891]

Obi-Wan said I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you. Anakin said that he should have known The Jedi were plotting to take over. Obi-Wan said Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil. Anakin says from my point of view, The Jedi are evil. Obi-Wan then said Then you are lost. He was trying to reason with Anakin and tried to turn him back to the light, but Anakin was being a dick to him and he reasoned that Anakin was too far gone and rightfully gave up on trying to turn him back to the light. He tried doing the same thing in The Kenobi Series and he even apologized, even though he had nothing to apologize for and Anakin was being a dick to him again. So Obi-Wan gave up on trying to turn Anakin back to the light side once and for all. That’s why Anakin said that Obi-Wan once thought as you do.

[@somewhatstrange2097]

Because Lucas kinda forgot Obi-Wan was supposed to do that.

[@ashyoung1909]

I don’t recall him saying that but flows so perfectly

[@mikego7325]

How incredible is Luke, right? Here he is surrendering, risking his life to save his father, the same man who cut off his hand 🖐️.

[@Deadman3913]

Stormtrooper looking at Luke at 2:48. After the lift door shut probably said “Daddy issues , huh? Don’t get me started.” Luke responding “Right?!”

[@hunterkiller1440]

"Obi Wan once thought as you do." "Didn't he left you for dead ...twice?"

[@mikemichailidis1685]

Luke and Padme never gave up on Anakin even when he fell to the dark side

[@averyscott7442]

When you factor in the rule of two this becomes even darker as you realize this is actually Vader giving up on life.

[@EAGLEEYECOMICS]

Imagine being one of the stormtroopers in that scene being like “ Vader has a son?”

[@antoniogirgenti9738]

Luke: And who is my mother? I never knew her.

[@Shineese]

Darth Vader: Uuhh... About that...

[@or6567ange]

​@@Shineese 30 years ago Obi wan: let her go Anakin Anakin proceeds to force choke padme

[@projectlifedog1459]

You killed her

[@antoniogirgenti9738]

@@projectlifedog1459 Darth Vader: That's what the emperor told me when I got this suit. Luke: Then how would I still be born? If she died then I'd be dead too with her.

[@or6567ange]

@@antoniogirgenti9738 Hishe emperor palpatine: umm she lost the will to live

[@pathfinderlight]

This right here is the scene that makes Episodes 7 and 8 impossible.

[@StarWarsStory]

Such a simple fix, I love it!

[@chrisyancey89]

They need to change this for the newer versions they'll eventually release

[@messybluesboy371]

I agree this is exactly what the line should have been, I've thought it ever since Ep. 3.

[@joeywisedrums]

It’s a little less robotic than the rest of the JEJ sound clips, but it certainly works. Fooled me at first

[@_Refurbished_]

Anakin truly becomes Vader when he chokes Padme and becomes Anakin when he kills the Emperor. You can see his conflict in this scene where he’s starting to realize Luke and Padme were right about leaving it all behind. When Luke is getting electrocuted, his unconscious paternal instincts kick in. It goes beyond his love of Padme, it’s the unconditional love of your child that sets his mind straight in his final moments.

[@sidnew2739]

Killing children doesn't count?

[@_Refurbished_]

He was crying there. He was still part Anakin. He was doing everything to save Padme. Once he turned on Padme, he became completely consumed by the dark side. He became Vader.

[@hamitcampos4989]

Nice. But it's true. "Obi-Wan, there's good in him. I know there's." So yeah it's kinda true those were Padme's last words.

[@drummerrck]

"Then my father is truly dead" "Then my friend is truly gone" Hearing the echoes of what Obi-Wan said to him from his own son had to devastating for Vader in that moment. Iy amplifies how truly alone he is.

[@albedo8451]

And echoes of Padme literally seconds prior. "Come with me." "Come away with me." FATALITY! 😂

[@allcapsROB]

One of the few polish ups I agree with.

[@doct0rnic]

I wonder what that commander talks about with those storm troopers, probably pretty lonely in that AT AT

[@waivedwench]

Darth Vader: I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Luke: Yeah, you sent my last one down that shaft, remember? Not to mention my hand!

[@NickMartinproductions]

Cool edit. Ultimately it’s Obi-Wan who believes Anakin to be still within the celestial realms.

[@alpha5664]

Darth Vader usually only scolds the imperial officers, if Darth Vader said that you are doing good work, then you know that you are doing good work.

[@aperezdeal]

I wonder if the footage of his (Vader)child murder rampage would have made Luke think he was beyond saving. Ignorance is bliss.

[@bionicleanime]

2:37 Obi-wan mirrors this line in the Kenobi series "then my friend is truly dead." The difference? Luke managed to pull Anakin back to the light even after that.

[@TheVoiceBlend]

Dude, I was just thinking of this after hearing Star Wars theory talk to that OWK guy after he explained the whole “ObiWan once thought as you did” never happened in revenge of the sith”

[@daviddunford8265]

I like how it brings Luke and Vader closer by making it a family thing, rather than just some hope of an old master. It's like saying, "your mom didn't want me to be a dick, but that red hat was sooooo appealing!" :D

[@Steven-dm8cz]

Rip James Earl Jones the goat

[@claudioforjan1743]

Luke is like his mother indeed.

[@michaelschroeck2254]

After seeing the prequels I wife Lucas had had the foresight to have Vader mentio Padme in the og trilogy. I wish in his final words to Luke he had said something about wishing Luke and Leia could have met their mother: a strong woman, very beautiful, loving. Etc.

[@OmegaTrooper]

RIP James Earl Jones