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[@CamrynSuzanne]

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[@mariec1585]

That transition was sooooo smooth!

[@ssnowycloud]

I think espresso is a breath of a fresh air, the mainstream pop girlies only do sad songs, until sabrina carpenter stepped in, honestly i respect her for that

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Breath of fresh air is exactly it!

[@bryanalstoncoxing]

Yeah Espresso finally gives us ENERGY and fun again

[@aurora-cc6hk]

it’s boring to me but i respect your opinion. i’ve just been a fan of sabrina for so long it just doesn’t really sound like her other music but it’s okay!! i also remember when e-mails cant sing came out and it was the first album of hers i didn’t really love.

[@babyxblue]

Who are all these pop girls doing sad music?! Most sad music coming out is indie, not pop!

[@IlikepurpleXP]

Exactly. Pop music has been so damn boring and slow post covid. Espresso has been the first pop song I’ve found myself replaying.

[@Periwinkle_mystique]

“Yall like it cues its catchy” The sun burns beacuse its hot

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Right 😂

[@dontnoticemesenpai6745]

People die if they are killed

[@benmemon]

Hm yes, the floor is made out of floor

[@cassieoliveira13]

Water is wet

[@seelyze]

@@dontnoticemesenpai6745 FATE REFERENCE LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@mariiowo]

ppl actin like we gotta be beethoven or shakespeare to bop to espresso like no 😭

[@CamrynSuzanne]

😂😂😂

[@Wallflowerxc]

NOT BEETHOVEN 😭

[@overbakedbagels7362]

Idk why people keep saying espresso is only catchy. The lyrics make sense and rhyme at the same time, it has a mood to it and it has a creative beat (which is starting to get harder with more songs being released) And as someone who loves poetry and writing things with feeling and mood I really like the flirtatious vibe it gives off even if I don't listen to sabrina

[@TheBlackPanther05]

"This song is literally about nothing. Yall just like it (Espresso) cuz it's catchy" .........OK..... and something's wrong with that apparently? LMFAO. Not every pop song has to be the most deep and meaningful in the world. Sometimes people just wanna have fun and listen to some fun bops and pop ass to their favorite song. Aint no shame in that! 🤷‍♂️

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Right😂 i love that song. It’s fun , upbeat, clever lyrics. I love that sabrina is bringing that back to pop

[@sadman1143]

spill !!

[@cosmicbeauty5682]

I really like the song, heard it the other day while running errands and was like "who is this???" 😂

[@evan_sunprince]

Like sometimes you wanna dance to a simple song about being hot shit like. I feel that's obvious

[@latifa3995]

You can make fun dancey pop songs without them being the same catchy generic sounds though 😭 I dunno i guess people who are saying this are tired of hearing the same watermelons sugar, doja sayso esque sounds trend every year. Pop music can have originality look at micheal Jackson, look at lady gaga

[@Psilolcybin]

people act like catchiness isn’t the whole point of pop 😭 like ur supposed to be able to dance to it, it’s not slam poetry

[@CamrynSuzanne]

That part 😂

[@tatianacabral4988]

OMG YESS. E X A C T L Y. I'm done with this depressed gen killing good vibes

[@Dsexh_dsexh]

Except if it’s “not like us”

[@slurpee4203]

clock it

[@ramonajavier5938]

like people who say things like that clearly don't know the history of how pop music came about

[@HipsterLumberjack]

I feel like we're too analytical nowadays. It's as if liking things for your own enjoyment is a stupid thing to do

[@GabrielleBuko]

this is the realest thing ever- like nowadays, EVERYONE needs a reason for EVERYTHING

[@babyxblue]

And yet singers are not analytical enough about the crap they sing (I'm not talking about Sabrina, her songs are pretty fine even when they're about "nothing")

[@shaybaby1221]

Teaaaa. Sometimes things can just be fun. And I love to overthink.

[@kairos-049]

Real! Bring back enjoying stupid shit for no good reason. Sometimes a song just scratches your brain right, and you *can* go out of your way to rationalize your enjoyment, or… you can just vibe.

[@CHEETAH69]

This the comment.

[@KyeranNisbet]

Ice Spice is not--and will NEVER--be on the same level as Olivia Rodrigo

[@bastetowl3258]

it’s crazy. that person did not listen to her new album. yes, her singles are usually about bad relationships but she also sings about unfair expectations placed on women, insecurity during the social media age, social anxiety, and fears about growing up

[@rashidstan]

honestly I think the reason Espresso blew up the way it did is because it's about "nothing", if im listening to pop I dont NEED though provoking lyrics and low energy, what I want is a good vibe that I can dance to and that is what Espresso delivered.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Exactly!!!

[@Balianderson5]

Yesss. Stop relatable like music. Ughhhhhhh

[@sateliteschinos]

Yeah but it’s really a cycle, in five years when everyone starts making them pop classics about nothing again y’all are once again going to beg for the sad and relatable bops 😭😭😭 and then in another five years y’all are going to do the opposite again

[@PetitePollyPocket]

Espresso is the kind of song you wanna hear while you’re in the car with your friends on your way to the beach. It’s the kind of song you want on your playlist if you’re having people over for a bbq. It’s a fun song and it makes you wanna bop your head along to it. It truly is the feeling of summer, all in 2.5min. A lot of us are trying to FEEL SOMETHING other than despair, dread, and existentialism 😭

[@PetitePollyPocket]

@@sateliteschinosit’s about balance…that’s the problem is everyone is so busy trying to chase a trend rather than carving out their own lane..like the sad girl meaningful ballads make sense for Billie, that’s a lane she carved for herself and I like getting those songs from her. Sabrina makes very upbeat, tongue n cheek/witty, songs that aren’t particularly deep, but make you laugh and bop your head along. I think we need both, and they both can coexist and gain success/popularity, but as soon as one person does something new and different, everyone just jumps on the train so they can capitalize on it while it’s popular rather than creating something unique to them.

[@wazha14]

Short songs bum me out bc right when I start hitting a lil step and feeling the song, it's over????? BRING BACK BRIDGES!!!

[@CamrynSuzanne]

That part! You’ll be really getting into a song and then it’s over. It ruins the vibe

[@minirth.maggie]

Yes!

[@jadam.2410]

new rnb is NOT touching older rnb are they insane?!?😭😭😭

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Right?!

[@Thejdreamerzful]

anyone that thinks that way automatically gets a side eye and doesn't know good music. Like how insane can you be!? You clearly don't enjoy good vocals, arrangements, instrumentals and overall TALENT If you think new RnB is BETTER than the classics.....huh?

[@zozochannel2309]

@@Thejdreamerzfulno i think they meant older rnb was better

[@des_elise]

older rnb actually has SOULLL

[@iceprincess13]

@@zozochannel2309 no friend, they literally said "new rnb is better than old rnb, people are just blinded by nostalgia."

[@invasionpikachu8536]

21:15 truee, for example, Sza could be singing the most beautiful line in the world and then she says something like "your X was deep in my..." And I'm like girl

[@ButterscotchCloud]

😂

[@CamrynSuzanne]

You’re like “hold up” PAUSE😭 i feel you

[@Wallflowerxc]

RIGHT 😭 LIKE GORL. That's why I don't listen to her like that, I love "Blind" but it's a little too vulgar for me

[@hayal1612]

Taylor Swift is quite talented, but the way her stans make her out to be the artist of generations is super overdramatic. Her writing is better than the average popstar, but she doesn't excel at anything other than that. Her voice is average, her dancing is weak and her stage presence is vastly overrated. The way her stans describe her you'd think she's Prince or something. You're allowed to like an artist and also admit that they are not a master at everything.

[@joshuabarnes4774]

As a huge swifte thank you I'm also a beyhive and when I saw them comparing them I just smiled and nodded 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙂🙂🙂🙂

[@KyeranNisbet]

Say it louder for the cult beehive side of her fanbase

[@aurora-cc6hk]

tbh i actually think she’s a great performer. but yeah her vocals are overrated.

[@ttban1988]

You ate...honestly Swifties are so cringe

[@roxUyolo]

Yeah they overhype her too much and treat her like a god who’s an all rounder when she’s not. Her power is songwriting and that’s fine considering that she herself classifies as one anyways. I find her a great performer as well but swifties don’t need to overhype her dancing or vocals it’s one thing to like her dance or vocals but it’s another thing to think she’s the greatest at it. Not every artist can do it all and that’s perfectly fine….i feel like fandoms who do this really be making their favs out to be some joke :/

[@Sphynx-bi7eg]

I really wish we could embrace music in other languages more. There's some great spanish, french, korean, chinese and more songs in all genres but yall are sleeping on it.

[@mikawaii_og]

Quite sure it has to do w how almost everyone understands English to some degree, therefore non English music rarely makes international success. But then you do have non English bops that go viral for its danceable tunes and the lyrics itself fade into the backburner, ppl don't care as long as they have a tiktok trend to make posts with.

[@pililja676]

AGREED😩 I've always liked music that wasn't necessarily in a language I understood (I imagine it's partly because I'm ESL in a very English influenced country, so I grew up not understanding most of what I heard on the radio anyways😄), but in the most recent years, I've really started to explore music from all over the world and it's so refreshing! I love cultural influences in music, especially something I don't know of very well already.

[@mirbeenlikethis]

kali uchis

[@Ruthie.333]

YES!! I'm from India so it might be a little biased, but Indian music is just..🤌 Especially the iconic songs from Bollywood movies. All of the friends that have heard the Hindi or any other Indian language song I listen to have almost always fell in love with it. Arab music is also so good.

[@its...8840]

@@Ruthie.333 YESSS!!

[@orinzoncelli489]

Olivia Rodrigo's and Ice spice's names should not even be in the same sentence😅😅. Luv Liv ❤️

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Right likee????🤔🤔

[@SideEyeee_]

Yeah, but both are overrated.

[@heyitsme5836]

Exactly😂! At least Olivia is a good writer yet all ice spice talks about is being a baddie, poopie, and farts. Does ice spice know how to play any instruments? Nope. Olivia can play guitar, piano, and more.

[@t.cofyxngprods5673]

I don’t know actually, Olivia is not exactly talented in terms of her vocal abilities. I think they’d be placed in the same tier talent wise

[@charlulio]

@@t.cofyxngprods5673Respectfully no. Olivia is a more talented singer than people give her credit for tbh

[@Saladfork1929]

the olivia = ice spice thing was so 😭 considering her literal second single of her career had everyone mad that it was indie-sounding and didnt sound exactly like DL, i have no idea where that one came from

[@Dsexh_dsexh]

Ice spice is a queen Olivia is a plagiarist

[@Smitchh1]

ty!!!!

[@therandomname69420]

what's DL?

[@kyleharry9755]

@@therandomname69420 drivers license i think?

[@visualspark6308]

Espresso is a great example of how a song doesn't need deep songwriting to be good. Its fun and has great production/melodies. It embodies a nostalgic summer vibe just like the visuals convey.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

And i think Sabrina does it so well, she’s extremely witty and clever! It’s perfect for pop

[@littlelou050]

exactly. there's more to music and lyrcism than "oooh so emo". espresso is an incredibly well written pop song. made to be a hit, it's fun, witty, it's literally the type of song that many writers would kill to have in their discography.

[@mariiowo]

i think kpop is more oversaturated rather than uninspired tbh, bc there are just so many groups that do so many works its hard to be original and stand out. A lot of the mainstream kgroups are popular because they are making good music, so then the industry follows that formula to find success. It's certainly difficult to find unique and creative music in the sea of kpop, but there are gems out there who create authentic music. There are some groups that mimic trending sounds, and it becomes a bit souless, but groups like 'Kiss Of Life' truly revitalize the essence of unique and individual groups that have their own soundscapes and creative direction.

[@dirtydan5203]

i hella agree!! oversaturated is a perfect word for it. i noticed around there are not as many unique sound l’s nowadays then there way back in 2017-2018, all of the visuals are what’s trendy, no one takes risks musically! and all the promotion is only ever done on instagram and tik tok

[@amorelockster1023]

I think it’s a mixture of both tbh

[@Birdlegs14]

I think the biggest groups in America like BTS are big more so because they are HEAVILY fethishized. Teen girls and young adult women are the strongest contributing factor bar none in terms of artists blowing up. Matter of fact I think they control basically all media in terms of popularity.

[@AnoymousFortnite]

And good groups are not given attention if they dont come from a company with connections or the big 4

[@crystalsnow1138]

@@Birdlegs14 I think BTS also blew in the US due to their talent, music, and top notch performances. There are a lot of good looking male kpop groups that don't make it nor have the longevity.

[@deepstblu3]

African Kpop stan here🙋🏾‍♀️, and I agree the portal between korea and africa needs to be closed...FOREVER!

[@prunelle9068]

lol no. cry harder xD

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Lmaoo😭😭😭

[@AnoymousFortnite]

Thats so real im from Zimbabwe and when i found out a kpop world tour is basically America , Asia, like 2 south american countries, some European countries and thats it i died inside

[@Ruthie.333]

World tour of any artist, be it pop or kpop= 4 countries in Europe, America, 3 countries in East Asia, and...do other places even exist??

[@Asepa99]

Tinnitus, smarter, kiof choreo and loads more, funny how it only started in the past 3yrs as the west was collabing with African artists, my ults are making it hard to defend them, 😂

[@TheKrystle]

FLO’s “Walk Like This” is a prime example of how a bridge can bring a song to the next level!!!

[@CamrynSuzanne]

YESSS! They always give a nice bridge

[@CashMoneyReckadz]

I literally spilled my drink when you said "We need to close the portal from South Korea to Africa" 😭

[@CamrynSuzanne]

I saw someone say that somewhere😭😂

[@all4thegoodofit979]

😂

[@VVilla-zh5mw]

😂😂😂

[@oliverjames2655]

Same ppl saying we only like Espresso cause it's catchy are the same mfs crying about the 'death of pop music' on every roof

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Teaa🍵🍵🍵

[@oliverjames2655]

@@CamrynSuzanne 🤭🤭

[@jacobdecker2564]

Fr!!!! Pop isn’t dead. People are just nostalgic for old pop sounds. It’s unfortunate tho because when an artist like Conan gray released a synth style of pop reminiscent of take on me and other older pop, no one checked it out. People just like nostalgia and want to complain.

[@oliverjames2655]

@@jacobdecker2564 My thoughts exactly!!! They literally REFUSE to give new pop artists a chance then turn around and complain

[@sodiumsodiumsodium1109]

​@@jacobdecker2564 I literally LOVED Conan's álbum and nobody is talking about it! It went triple platinum in my household 😌 Ate so hard

[@positivitywins5687]

I agree that a lot of music now is too much. What happened to metaphors or catching real feelings? It seems like some artists want to see how many curse words they can use in a song. And…they don’t leave anything to the imagination. Tired of all the nastiness and disrespect.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeahh it’s all TOO direct

[@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123]

i’m so tired of people criticising songs and artists who use metaphors and imagery. I completely agree with you.

[@whoasked6696]

Yess I miss when it was all just clever wordplay and stuff that alludes to it

[@Ikinme]

right? probably one of my favorite examples of a song like this is "Locked out of heaven" Bruno Mars. The lyrics are amazing and the song is so good. I do also have to appreciate songs like these as a school student where all events require clean songs.

[@Wallflowerxc]

​@@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123 like "rude boy" or "kiss it better" 😭, I don't want the graphic details please for the love of

[@dardarstar]

THE KPOP COMMENT 😭 as a kpop lover i do agree with the influence from other artists but the way they make it fun and it’s not just the sad push that pop is going towards.

[@cassieoliveira13]

Sabrina has a lot of songs about social anxiety, expectations, heartbreak, being a woman, even revenge, her parents divorce, etc… but Espresso was the one that smashed and that's ok, you know? people want to have fun but it doesn't mean the fun and catchiness it's the only aspect of her music.

[@pancakesxoxo1064]

Which song is about social anxiety? I'm genuinely asking 😭

[@cassieoliveira13]

@@pancakesxoxo1064 in my bed from singular act 2

[@sodiumsodiumsodium1109]

​@@pancakesxoxo1064Exhale from Singular Act II

[@pancakesxoxo1064]

I don't think exhale is specifically about social anxiety but I'll have to listen to in my bed again! I used to listen to it when I was younger, I probably didn't pick up on it.

[@cassieoliveira13]

@@pancakesxoxo1064 I think exhale is about general anxiety actually, expectations, etc…

[@guinessbeer]

I disagree with the Rihanna comment. I love when she sings slows ballads, the emotion she conveys makes up for her vocal technicality.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

But see I do love her vocal tone though and that’s what I really think is happening there, it’s just the execution live is not there for me most of the time

[@Dsexh_dsexh]

I never even knew Rihanna had emotions 🫣 Thank you I will relisten now to her entire music catalogue over again

[@sherylsutherland1183]

I love Rihanna voice she gives emotion to me more than Beyonce who to me Beyonce tries to be perfect so that's why I like Rihanna I believe what she is singing about

[@Oksurejan]

Does music have to have meaning? Sometimes its not necessary 😂

[@CHEETAH69]

I don’t think people really NEED meaning in music. History has shown that we can love songs about absolutely nothing. But fans of different genres like to feign snobbery when they’re critiquing popular music.

[@karenapasco4826]

Kpop has never been “authentic” but the real problem with it is that a lot of these groups don’t make certain influences into their own. It just feels like copy and paste rather than genuine influence.

[@Asepa99]

A huge part is that they have American artists write their songs with prompts like "a Charlie xcx hyperpop sound" like I am a kpop Stan but boy it has been sounding repetitive, especially boygroups

[@Asepa99]

The originality exists in independent artists not these manufactured groups who outsource their production

[@karenapasco4826]

@@Asepa99 you’re right. Nothing wrong with hiring American songwriters, but these companies need to start telling their songwriters to work with their group to help them curate an original sound and have them stick with the groups for as long as they can and ACTUALLY PAY THEM!! Some of these newer kpop songwriters sound cheap.

[@music18021]

Olivia and Ice Spice are nowhere near the same they are in two different lanes...Olivia's recent album kicks so much ass its nice to have pop rock back in the mainstream..Ice has a couple of decent rap tracks and features but shes really one note theres nothing interesting about her

[@CamrynSuzanne]

That’s what i’m saying, I was kinda floored bc i have never seen them compared to. It felt so out of place 😭

[@music18021]

​@CamrynSuzanne it really did and I feel like people are throwing the word "industry plant" a little too loosely honestly I don't give two shits if they became famous organically or had a bit of backing from the industry as long as they make great music who gives a shit??

[@Saladfork1929]

@@music18021 industry plant really means nothing atp because ive seen people saying chappell roan is one… crazy

[@niyaakbar1098]

Music channels were some of the best parts of my childhood, whether is MTV, VH1 or one of those generic music channels by genre. I fell in love with Brandy and Amy Winehouse as a kid because of VH1 specials and watching their music videos. I have so many memories of just dancing to these music channels and being addicted to music.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

I absolutely loved them! Remember watching them before going to school in the morning haha

[@magical-soap5359]

Oh lordy I did the same ritual! Checking out the music channels each morning, watching the top 20 video countdown. That's where I got so interested in music. ❤

[@harmonandrews2849]

Really miss Amy Winehouse!

[@pickle6731]

The dj talking over the song on the radio is so real it be making me mad especially when they try to “remix” a song and it sounds atrocious (AHEM FUNK FLEX!!!)

[@CamrynSuzanne]

No fr! Like stop!!

[@bensangster7646]

The opinion about songwriting definitely made me think too. I know with someone like Aaliyah, she has said in interviews before that she didn't really have a desire to write her own music because she liked the songs that she was given. I think especially nowadays artists get clowned on social media for having x amount of writers on their songs or not writing their own material but at the end of the day if the song is good and the artist can elevate it or bring it to life somehow, there shouldn't be this expectation to completely write all your material and shame when you don't.

[@agatahyra4949]

Exactly, it All depends on context.

[@burnt.norton]

exactly, like any vocalist can put a pen to paper and spend hours trying to come up with melodies if they wanted to.. but not every songwriter can belt E5s with stability and grace.. singing is an innate talent, writing is a learnable skill

[@amorelockster1023]

A lot of people don’t know that most of her songs were written for her and it’s nothing wrong with that

[@whoasked6696]

Literal like songwriting is its own career. It mainly matters in rap music

[@A2daM2daZ]

I think you hit the nail on the head w Bruno Mars because when I think about him, when WASN'T he making hits? He can sing he can dance. He doesn't get old he doesn't get tired. But you know him more for his music than for him, and unfortunately, I feel the greatest legends had this extra star quality, that has nothing to do with the music so much as it has to do with the power of their celebrity. I'd like to see him on a top 100 list with best singers and artists, but there's a level of cultural influence other have (like Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, even Britney Spears) that it feels like he's missing.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah bruno is that guy fr. He has always made hits! Even when he came out. But there’s a disconnect there & then the only time we get some insight into his life lately is because of rumored gambling debt😭 i just don’t know how he will be remembered in the grand scheme of things

[@jameslyons9229]

He needs MORE albums to cement his legacy imo his last SOLO album was 2016 which is as long as we’ve been waiting for Rihanna’s. I think he’s at his best when he’s combining older music style and trends with something NEW which was best shown on unorthodox jukebox. I do think he has potential tho and he’s one of FEW male artists who can actually perform so that’s always going for him.

[@amorelockster1023]

No Fr since I was a kid he’s been making hits he needs his flowers

[@TJ-uc8bb]

all those artists you mentioned toward the end have a higher level of cultural influence because they brought something innovative/revolutionary to pop music. choreography, tone, range, stage presence, music genres. bruno makes good hits for sure, but he's never put out anything that hasn't already been done.

[@ellastrong6167]

Michael Jackson was an incredible singer. His range was the same as Freddie Mercury and Beyonce, he sang everyone under the table on We are the world. His vocal training, practice, skill/technique since he was a child. I think it’s the way he stylistically chose to use his voice in the latter half of his career. Lots of people don’t love the style of singing so I think people forget his expertise.

[@tjrpervis]

With the R&B category, The genre is turning into Rap/HipHop when it comes to the topics and subject matters of love and sex. No one is singing about love no more they’re simply singing about situationships, toxicity, and plan and simply f****** because that’s not only us as the consumers are experiencing on a day to day basis in our “love lives” but also the celebrities as well a perfect example is Chris Brown’s music from 2015 to now.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yep it’s like the two genres are becoming a bit TOO blended 🙁

[@txwtw]

I saw a post in the rnb subreddit that was saying the same thing! It really does feel like rnb is just becoming rap and hip hop

[@ryyaannn_]

people saying eternal sunshine was ariana’s worst lyrically genuinely make me think their ears and comprehension skills simply aren’t working

[@CamrynSuzanne]

To me I felt it was one her strongest

[@Samzillah]

For real it was the first album of hers that actually felt authentic and open. I love her other albums, but this just felt more personal and hard hitting.

[@harmonandrews2849]

@@CamrynSuzanne Same. I actually never listened to any of her albums in full until this one. Now it's in my Spotify playlist constantly

[@artdeco777]

to me, sweetener is number 1 lyrically but eternal sunshine is a close second and i’ve been an arianator since yours truly released

[@lileisabella]

I think to me, the lyrics were good as in theme & vulnerability, but in terms of cadence, clarity of wording, smoothness, how/where the rhymes fell etc. like the more technical aspects it definitely sounded like someone new to songwriting. stuff sounded a little clunky at times ("now he's in my bed... laying on MY chest" & "but I'd like to just, pre-e-tend" were two lyrics I remember being like oh I guess thats a choice) but in terms of sound, composition, production etc it was 100% my fav post dangerous woman album of hers

[@sparrklerains8972]

Kpop has so many genre's and the industry is brutal one minuet you're on top the next you have 5 monthly listeners so thats why they're all chasing the same sound (plus pinkpantheress writes for kpop groups/soloist)

[@iri_riri]

Ye i was about to say she’s a songwriter for quite a few kpop songs

[@Boohurghhoo]

That's crazy but honestly so plausible..I just hope she gets payed well for all of that😭😭

[@sparrklerains8972]

@@Boohurghhoo why wouldn't she

[@Boohurghhoo]

@@sparrklerains8972 bc what do background ppl get payed? Do they get payed well, respected well, credited well actually? It's different in ways from industry to industry

[@sparrklerains8972]

@@Boohurghhoo different companies do different, some like bbc don't even pay their idols. But i doubt she doesn't get payed she probably only accepts money

[@singincindy]

espresso is about feeling yourself and its fun and cute. catchy doesn't always mean bad yall 😭 and if normani, tinashe and sza aren't pop then neither are olivia or billie.. olivia is punk/rock pop and billie is alt/indie pop. my point is to include rnb artists because rnb pop is valid in the pop space just like alt and punk pop is.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Agreed agreed agreed🙌🏽

[@martinasurr]

YES!

[@strange7552]

1. I actually think that Beyoncé not heavily promoting Cowboy Carter is a great move. She basically did the same thing with RENAISSANCE and look how that ended. In this new trilogy that she’s been doing, I’ve noticed that she genuinely wants the music to marinate and take us back to the times where all we could do is listen to the music. The whole world knows she’s got a career-defining collection of visuals and projects, she’s Beyoncé (after 25 years of music, we trust that whatever she do is worth the wait). Something seen throughout her career is that timing and strategy are criterial in a long lasting impact. 2. I kinda of understand what you are saying about Rihanna but I believe her voice is very impressive. She probably didn’t grow up professionally singing but she’s found a signature and very recognizable voice for herself. To sound like Rihanna is not easy to do. I find that about her very impressive. 3. MJs voice is one of the hardest and most impressive voices ever. People don’t understand how difficult it is for a MAN to sing like that. He can go from baritone to basically an alto (that’s years of learning). He’s voice is something you don’t only hear but you LITERALLY feel. He’s like a level 1000 theatre kid (not the annoying kind).

[@alithelady3479]

Yes…this about MJ!

[@אשבלרובין]

Technically the first kpop group took inspiration from hip hop, this is probably why there is so much similarity Regarding the second part, only those who listen to K-pop and not only the most popular songs can understand how large this genre is

[@eth8703]

the way you slid that advertisement in was so genius omg

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Thank you!!👀👀

[@mariec1585]

Really smooth…I was like wait what did she say 😂

[@alithelady3479]

@@mariec1585yesssss!

[@hope3290]

While I agree Kpop is not all that original, to say it's all "Disney channel PG-12" content is...quite a weird choice of words. I don't think lyrics like "touch me tease me feel me up" and songs called "Adult Ceremony," "Libido," "Touch My Body," and "Warm Hole" belong on Disney channel. I'm sensing some underlying infantilization of Asian people in that comment.

[@canesugar911]

Most kpop is mostly PG. It's the truth, there is no need to bring up isms

[@ryulog2102]

@@canesugar911 most groups have at least 1 song that’s very mature (groups with all adults hopefully) just because kpop groups swear less doesn’t make thier music pg

[@canesugar911]

@@ryulog2102 oh yea, they have ONE SONG that is mature and...... Everything from their surgery to some of their manarism are to create this child like innocence. they aren't even allowed to publicly date so wth are you on about? Their management are infantilizing them, don't misdirect your anger at people for pointing out the obvious

[@Boohurghhoo]

@@canesugar911 why are y'all genuinely, generally like this? Two things can be true at once just goes out the window, yea? While it's true there's a problem, it's even an inner problem abt creating this infantilized, innocuous themed image it's also true that to be explicit you don't just need cuss/curse words. And that's what happens in kpop. They are allowed to make the most nsfw, sensual, sexual type of songs just as long as they don't cuss (basically). There have been multiple groups with multiple songs like this-not just one;singular, Multiple;plural. The "pg" songs that you see as pg aren't as pg. Bc again being explicit and not PG in general, is more than just cuss words and sensuality/sexual things-its strong themes(+) in general. More and more groups esp in the big 3/big 4 labels (whatever TF their called) have been doing this and it's been greenlit. I also wanna mention..it's 2024, just bc that what gets pushed up and out most doesn't mean it's really all that esp abt a specific something (i.e. mostly mellow, tame, PG Kpop but totally not mature themed kpop..really?🕳️) Ntm your comprehension and selective attention w/ that AT LEAST one song part is impeccable. Bc yk, at least = minimum..yk which means that's roughly estimating and all in all it's most likely 1+. Esp w/ how far and deep it's come. Point is Kpop has mature themes even posing through the whole infantilization cycle (which makes that a whole lot creepier), colorful, good& radiant vibes whether it's actually sexual NSFW or not.

[@canesugar911]

@@Boohurghhoo I need to call your mom to take you to a mad house.

[@kaylad4486]

As an R&B lover I clutched my pearls at that "New R&B is better" statement. I enjoy some of the new R&B but let's not be crazy but the best new people aren't getting their proper dues. I love Ari Lennox, Lucky Daye, Alex Isley, Joyce Wrice, and Cleo Sol.

[@notcxle2663]

To be honest, I get that pop means 'popular' and popular music is always gonna change; HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that playing an instrument or writing your own music necessarily makes you a better song writer. Believe me, I love intricate lyrics, but to be honest those are an after thought and when I'm listening I'm usually more concerned about the beat. If the song has a boring beat, chances are I won't listen to it; however, if the lyrics are corny I can still like it if it has a catchy beat.

[@ButterscotchCloud]

Totally agree with your take on R&B lyricism. R&B has always primarily tackled love, secks, and heartbreak, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But can we get some subtlety and cleverness up in here? Sheesh! And while we’re at it, can we limit the Sleepytime R&B sub genre? I mean, it has its place and I enjoy much of it, but similarly to your sentiments about pop, can we make mainstream R&B/Soul fun again? There’s room for it all-vibey, sensual, bouncy and bubbly, etc.

[@jvyd3n]

i miss subtly nasty r&b songs that would fly over my head as a kid 😭 like rock the boat by aaliyah, rain by swv, and many more

[@ButterscotchCloud]

@@jvyd3nsame! Not everything has to be so “in your face.”

[@txwtw]

Exactly! It’s so irritating hearing so much in your face vulgarity in a lot of r&b today, don’t get me wrong I’m sure there was plenty of r&b in the 90s and 80s that might’ve had a lot of language but there seems to be more now and there was back then, going off from all the rnb songs I’ve heard at least.

[@Ken-wv8bt]

I went through a huge Weeknd phase before I realized that his music is literally just a storyline of a toxic Michael Jackson. He can make a hit though. I don't think he gets enough credit for how many bops he has put out. The Weeknd plays up this dark, mysterious pop star and clearly it works numbers wise.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Toxic Michael jackson is kinda true😭

[@ItachiUchiha-sh6of]

Wasn't the weeknd behind a lot of Drakes hits as well? His pen game and story telling ability are no joke.

[@virgogyl]

@@ItachiUchiha-sh6of righttt like don’t get it twisted.. i’m not a fan of his newer music but when he first came out he was HUNGRY and making innovative music for the time. He may copy a lot of Michael Jackson but many artists have also copied him

[@ItachiUchiha-sh6of]

@@virgogyl I still remember when "I feel it coming" came out. That was pure Michael Jackson energy. ("Out of time" is probably my fav song of his tho)

[@Jamellii]

With all that being said he's the best popstar out and it's not close alright I'm done glazing

[@heyitsme5836]

Atleast you were honest about Rihanna and I agree with the take. I’ve watched every single Rihanna performance from 2005-till recent and it took me two weeks to finish. Rihanna isn’t that great of a dancer, she isn’t a good live performer, but she has hits on top of hits to back up her success/hype which kinda overshadows her ability to dance, sing live, etc. Rihanna really isn’t a consistent singer it’s like she sounds good one moment then she doesn’t sound as good. Before yall come up here getting your panties in a twist, I’ll put a link playlist so yall can watch every single Rihanna live performance before you start getting outraged. One thing you can’t say is that Rihanna doesn’t have work ethic/consistency, great marketing, and hits.

[@heyitsme5836]

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[@chickencruncher]

the switch the sponsor was so smooth girl get that bag

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Thank youu!!🥹🤭

[@alithelady3479]

Get it cuz you deserve it!

[@CorderoStephens]

Bring back bridges! I’m so glad you pointed that out. I’m tired of these snippet songs, as soon as you start getting into it, it’s over smh. Congrats on the Patreon launch!

[@CamrynSuzanne]

We need to start protesting bringing bridges back😭 and thank you!! I’m really excited

[@Ollybeary-ri4jo]

About the K-pop thing, it doesn't have this one set sound. K-pop isn't a genre because there are a bunch of different genres in K-pop. Kpop isn't a genre. It's just music that comes from Korea. It should be taken seriously because they work just as hard on their music as Western artists. Especially with the toxic dieting culture, the skin bleaching, them being worked half to death, their come backs every like 2 months. They deserve to be recognized.

[@sorabaet]

This. Kpop stands for Korean popular music. It’s weird to group hundreds of thousands songs into that one category and wrap the false narrative that it’s all the same thing. So many groups and a plethora of independent artists have their own sound and because of mainstream/trend following groups, they don’t shine as much.

[@jamaisjeon]

exactly! and even if a group has a main genre they still dive into other genres on their albums.

[@karenapasco4826]

Nothing wrong with it not having a set sound, but as a former kpop stan a lot of groups don’t have a distinct sound identity.

[@nai110]

They lack too much authenticity for them to be taken seriously. Every aspect of their music is controlled by a big corporation just cashing them out. They have 0 creative control. And most of them are uninspired and should only be considered performers. Especially nowadays when people need to feel like the musician singing a song is also feeling the lyrics and music and has had a hand is creating the song. Kpop idols lack that and that’s why they will never be taken seriously.

[@adir6094]

@@nai110 that depends on the group tho, there are quite a lot of groups that take a lot, if not all, of the creative process in their own hands. Groups like Stray Kids, Ateez, G-idle, bts, onlyoneof, young posse, seventeen, and many more make their own lyrics, produce their own songs and choreography. It just depends on what group u chose to listen to.

[@dannylinguist15]

Saying "Eternal Sunshine" is boring is beyond stvp!d

[@kaitsenpai]

exactlyyyy i loved that album so much. i am an ariana grande fan but to me, it felt as if she was able to breathe (metaphorically speaking) after releasing it

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Love me some eternal sunshine

[@Samzillah]

For real Eternal Sunshine is full of so much heartbreak and introspection. Even if you find the soundscape boring, the lyrics themselves leave my head spinning trying to figure out the reality of what she is talking about. How do you look at an album about divorce, new love, and being labeled a homewrecker, and say it's boring??? Especially with all the extra drama attached to it.

[@Jay-mx6bg]

I really do hate when someone attacks a fun song because it’s just catchy not everything has to have a deep meaning behind it

[@user-gz9tx6qj5x]

that transition into the sponsorship was TOO smooth

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Thank you!!!!

[@MC_aigorithm]

Moment is probably my favorite Victoria Monét songs and maybe one of my favorite R&B songs perioddtt, AND the video is gorgeous.. cannot recommend it enough tbh 😍

[@CamrynSuzanne]

A master piece!!

[@jamarcuscoley]

People acting like having fun is illegal or something. I remember being in an art department where depressive art is appreciated while happy and cheerful art is ridiculed. My work revolves around happiness and optimism, and it gets shamed for not following “the principles of the art department”. Talk about monolithic. Bottom line, people are over-analyzing the most simplest of things. Not everything has a deep meaning. Life is an assortment of energies and “depressive energy” isn’t the only one, and in this case it’s not the only genre to cater too. Fun poppy songs are due for a resurgence! I haven’t heard anything like Espresso since Say So, Levitating, Boy With Luv, FANCY, and California Gurls! You don’t have to be profound and evocative all the time… just release your inhibitions and have fun.

[@heatherparisi8250]

espresso is just a fun little bop people just want to be haters

[@aferfera]

FIRST UNPOPULAR OPINION IS INSANE. OLIVIA TO POP WHAT ICE IS TO RAP????? never.

[@Alien_Superstarr]

We need more of this kind of video. I loved it. Definitely a well spent 20 mins

[@CamrynSuzanne]

So happy you enjoyed it! Maybe I’ll do a part 2 in the near future 👀

[@txwtw]

The one about the disappearance of musical legends and the over usage of the term “legend” is so true, anyone is just calling artists musical legends now so the term is just losing it’s meaning, and yeah there has been a disappearance of revolutionary legends in the industry which is so unfortunate idk why I’m so upset about it but the music industry/pop culture just feels so empty without it, 😭 Yeah there’s still so many great artists but they aren’t legends yk?

[@txwtw]

Everyone*

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yep! You gotta wait to hand out the legend title. That needs to be worked for, with enough time to evaluate impact on culture overall.

[@niyaakbar1098]

Yeah I don’t think people understand the difference in actually being a legend and having the potential to be one

[@bcray2548]

Honestly I agree with the anti-streaming comment. Streaming allows for the most generic songs to be pushed forward and sometimes they're not even good, they're just trending or made by a popular artist. I like Radio (My parents listen to it so I listen with them) and my country still has Music channels so I don't stream all that much. Then you also have fans that will stream songs that are not good and make them number 1 because their favourite artist just dropped an album. Nah streaming honestly messed up listening to music for me. It is nice having an album on the go however. I just wish it was as authentic as radio or music channels. We can't have everything though so I'll just enjoy what I can.

[@sailorbey]

heavy on the pushing forward generic music. recently i just found out about that Dance Monkey because it's the most streamed female song on spotify. never heard it before, at least not in the places i usually go to. got curious and gave it a listen, and it's one of the worst songs i've ever heard.

[@bcray2548]

@@sailorbey Honestly TikTok and streaming sites make it hard. There are so many songs that I hear and think "Who actually genuinely likes this?" But they are in the top 100 something lists and I'm thinking wtf???

[@NotCrazyLimitedEdition]

It's so true that artists need to stop doing everything. I firmly believe Chlöe's music doesn't achieve everything it could because she produces everything and doesn't have someone to bring a different perspective to her skillset for example

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Right , collaboration is okay and I think should be more encouraged in art and specifically music.

[@bastetowl3258]

yeah i think she should have a collaborator like how taylor works with jack antonoff, so the collaborator can give her input and even refine her work

[@COKENIKKKA]

love espresso, i love some lil silly pop songs that are just silly, optimistic and catchy like don’t get me wrong i loveeee music with meaning and talk about certain topics and issues but at the same time i just love carefree, cute and fun like not all songs should be talking bout topics and stuff some songs should just be fun and to listen to for optimism

[@jvyd3n]

that olivia rodrigo and ice spice one is crazy 😭😭 like they must’ve never been listened to her before and just decided to hate cus ain’t no way

[@Noor-x3x]

Eternal sunshine is the perfect pop album this year for me

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah i personally love it!

[@T.L.K4]

thank you finally vocaliste don't have to wright everything ain't nothing wrong with having someone else do it or just cowright it with you

[@Samzillah]

For real some of the best vocalists of all time had writers or sang covers. And many great songwriters work with others to elevate their writing and keep things fresh.

[@melonpeach9723]

Bye by Ariana is one of my favorite songs from her ever, didn’t know how bad I needed that song. It’s so incredible (In response to the Eternal Sunshine comment from someone)

[@melonpeach9723]

Bruno Mars I feel like gets a lot of flowers by the recording academy, but it’s kinda true that I haven’t seen him mentioned a lot since his collab with Anderson Paak

[@melonpeach9723]

You gave our girl her flowers!! We love you PinkPantheress. I feel like her music may not be legendary, but she’ll always have a cult following. She has a specific sound, just like Charli XCX and CRJ.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

That is my FAVORITE! Omg the taste

[@AlpathenaDorem]

Normani is a pop girl that deserves so much more credit then what she gets, with finally releasing her debut album, my girl had not many songs, but each was really good or blew up like crazy.

[@whoasked6696]

I wish she stayed with pop tho but now she wants to make RnB.. like we haven’t had a black girl pop star in so long.. just plain pop

[@AlpathenaDorem]

@@whoasked6696 I think her RnB is really good though, and shows how versatile of an artist she can be.

[@RoyaleMusical]

no i genuinely don’t understand the hate towards kpop and the fear of liking kpop? BUT yes, kpop does take HEAVY inspiration from whatever’s trending but so are your favs…Olivia is just taking from Taylor and Avril, Ice Spice is just tryna take from Nicki, everyone follows trends yall 😭 i think cuz of the whole “concepts and glamour” of kpop it’s just more noticeable, especially with how frequently they release music

[@bastetowl3258]

not true. olivia is inspired by alanis morisette, the breeders, avril, a variety of 90s rock, and taylor. there’s a difference between inspiration and straight up copying, which kpop does way more blatantly

[@teealliyah]

I need a part 2 for the rap section ❤

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yes!! I will plan a part 2 to tackle rap and other takes

[@ramonajavier5938]

people act as if there are rules to music like music doesn't always have to be just deep and meaningful or just fun all the time it's music it is a creative art form and artist has every right to express themselves however, they like and there are plenty of artist out there who create music for everyone so what's the point in complaining about songs like espresso

[@warrencoryell9465]

eternal sunshine is the deepest ariana has ever gotten with her lyricism

[@feji7994]

Yeah I loved positions

[@kingk9407]

I love that your content is respectful but honest I love it girl ❤

[@CamrynSuzanne]

I appreciate that! I really try to keep it respectful bc it is never that serious to be unnecessarily hateful or harsh

[@sayyurrr]

I think most people don’t receive KPop well is because they’re so inauthentic. these big companies commercialize them so much that they have almost zero personality of their own and everything seems calculated and planned. all their “cute and quirky” moments are all meticulously planned for ppl to like them, and it’s so blatant it hurts.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah it may be about the extreme commercialization. These kpop idols legit go in training camps , move away from home and compete for spots. Meanwhile every move is planned for them, songs, videos etc

[@TheKrystle]

If kpop wants to be a respected music genre than its artists need to become authentic and stop with the cultural appropriation, create their own trends and learn cultural sensitivity.

[@Des17S]

Agreed but like kpop groups are so curated by their companies that being 100 percent your own authentic self is next to impossible. They want the groups to sell a fantasy not authenticity. That's why there's like "personalities" and roles that they take on for their audience. Like characters. I think if the companies loosen the reins and let artist be artist it would be great but like... let's maybe also do some cultural sensitivity classes because...why do so many songs have slurs?

[@oddeyesemble]

there are many groups that stick to their own authentic sound you are just only noticing the ones that dont

[@bastetowl3258]

kpop is not a genre. it just means music that comes out of korea. korea has pop but also rock, ballads, r&b, etc. there are groups that are more experimental and do their own thing but they don’t get the mainstream popularity that the less original groups do. that’s why a lot of groups copy the big ones and things start to sound the same bc companies know it sells well

[@chrissy8601]

Anyone saying Olivia’s music sounds the same obviously didn’t listen to her new album cus there are sm different genres and sounds on that

[@Axolotl1032]

I can agree with you that guts has so many different sounds unlike sour, it was all very similar except for a few songs but I also think that with guts she had more time to make it and experiment with her sound than with sour, I think that sour was really rushed

[@jamaisjeon]

@@Axolotl1032yeah sour was supposed to be an ep but after the success of drivers license she decided to turn the ep into a full album, so she had like 3 months to finish the project

[@seancemark]

the transition was soooo smooth to the ad that i watched it all the way through and signed up!!

[@tinglar5432]

i love eternal sunshine because it feels like her album with the most coherent production and track list sequencing. it has such an identifiable soundscape that runs throughout the whole album, her most mature lyrics and songwriting, and references past musical eras particularly the 90’s without feeling derivative. i genuinely think it’s going to be one of the albums of hers that will age the best. also giiiirl that ad segway was actually too smooth and good!

[@sparklexnia]

For the Kpop one, it’s giving I’ve never heard anything outside of tik tok. Kpop is a very wide and versatile genre that has a little bit of everything from rock (from groups like dreamcatcher) and ballads (from artists like iu), so the fact people tend to write it off so quickly and make sweeping statements about it has always felt incredibly icky to me because most people wouldn’t say that kind of thing about western music (Africa portal kinda ate tho 😭)

[@pew_18k]

12:27 you're so right, camryn! kpop in the most part can't offer a lot of originality or creativity, most of the groups sound the same depending on the latest music trend (2015-2016/17 tumblr aesthetic, 2017/18-2019 boy(girl)crush, 2020-2022 dynamite by bts & retro vibes, 2023-now days newjeans & afro beats), and it has been like this from the beginning of the idol industry. ofc there are groups who push their own music, their own style and individualities and set trends themselves, like bts, gidle, redvelvet and mamamoo but more often it's nothing more than just pretty girls and boys with little no musical talent who sell you an aesthetic. if you lucky you'll get yourself twice , if you really unlucky you're stuck with blackpink that's the rules of the industry but that doesn't mean artists who perform pop and come from south korea don't deserve international recognition and awards such as grammys. people shouldn't act like western music industry doesn't produce empty singers with only good looks who hop on every new trend and kpop doesn't have an incredibly talented artists with so much passion and love for their art who push boundaries with every new release. believing that kpop "the most uninspired music genre" is blatantly racist. for the most part - it is quite generic, JUST LIKE WESTERN POP! but in a different way

[@neb.9489]

I wish I can like this comment more than once! You hit the nail right on the head!

[@pew_18k]

@@neb.9489 actually, i feel like i contradict myself 😭 defending kpop is so hard it's just "well it IS trash and one chunk of capitalistic machine but also look!!! dreamcatcher!!! seventeen! aren't they nice?"

[@shaypieqwe5546]

ThANK YOU!!

[@Hyper-milkshake]

Literally the whole point of K-pop is about the pop essence. Whether they sound alike or not, that what make them popular

[@TALLY101]

There no way you just said BTS and (G)-Idle are creative while putting down BLACKPINK. Don’t get me started on (G)I-DLE and BTS cultural appropriation, plagiarism and etcera!

[@anonymous-in8yc]

the eternal sunshine hate makes me so upset bc it’s literally top 3 in her discography. but three years later when the album cycle has PASSED & is over is when everyone is going to all of a sudden love it. it happened with positions.

[@Royalty05]

You know what I think? the weeknd is perfectly rated his sound is very different to other male artist. I also think the show the idol kinda tainted his image or atleast the image his fans made up for him in their heads.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah the idol did turn ppl off fs☹️

[@kaileykiki17]

The kpop one is so real. I am pretty involved in the kpop scene and it really is mostly a profit game. Most of them don’t focus on music quality but rather what’s trending and will make money. And it’s so funny bc many never give credit to the original styles or artists and they never tour in Africa even tho they keep making their type of music

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah, it’s just a bit off putting to me! Like is there a K-pop sound that’s genuinely unique? I don’t listen to pretty much any K-pop on the regular so I’m kind of curious

[@happylovelorn4518]

I think you'd enjoy Nct127, they have a versatile discography. I feel like they're always experimenting new sounds. They're a great kpop group.

[@kaileykiki17]

@@CamrynSuzanne Anyone can correct me if im wrong here because I only got into it 6 ish years ago, but I would say not so much. Like before kpop blew up internationally, some people might say cutesy/quirky songs were unique to kpop, but as it got more and more popular in the west, groups started doing the cute music less and did more western pop sounds to appeal to that audience. But even then, the first few iconic idols were doing like early 2000s RnB and electro pop sounds in the early 2010s, just like the rest of western pop. A few current groups do a lot of experimental "noise music" that i don't really see in any other genres, but idk if that would count as being unique to kpop. I think a big reason for this lack of uniqueness is that kpop is pretty new. There were obv korean singers in the 1900s, but the kpop system and curated singing and dancing groups only started in like the 90s, and by then, westen pop was pretty solidified already so kpop artists just jumped on what was popular. One of the biggest kpop companies, SM Entertainment named their collective of idols SM Town literally after Motown and was inspired by Motown's training of singers and dancers. Lastly, I think what makes kpop unqiue and why they don't put maybe as much effort into the music (some do, but not all) is because K-pop is more so a culture rather than a genre. It's a combination of music, dancing, a distinct training system ( which ik i said was inspired by motown, but is now wayyy beyond that), creating parasocial relationships w fans, being tv personalities/influencers/models and being role models as a perfect person. Hence why the word kpop "idol" is used more than kpop singer or artist. In western music, we don't call ariana or justin bieber an idol because they really only focus on music as their craft, but kpop is very much a whole package type of thing. These days too, a lotttt of kpop songs are produced by western producers or sample western pop songs. So I think i think as time goes on, kpop will continue to be more westernized. sorry this was so long lol

[@kaileykiki17]

@@happylovelorn4518 ah yess sticker is a great first song to get into kpop LOL😂😂 love sticker tho

[@prunelle9068]

​@@happylovelorn4518no, they're fucking terrible xD jesus don't do that to her, it's just mean

[@daveeonn]

diehard hive here, & i agree with your take on Cowboy Carter 110%… she had such a strong important message bigger than just the music, but delivered it in a “here it is, whoever sees it sees it. okay bye!” type of way 😭 i wish she gave it more potential.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yeah bc the record is great and there are so many layers to explore! Even if she doesn’t do a formal interview, even visuals would expand on the project much further

[@wendellvv]

no but Espresso is literally about sex, the whole song plays on double entendres about her talent on sex and shit

[@Des17S]

Yeah but I kinda also feel like it's a song that like "am I the ish? I guess I am" sort of thing.

[@ja_jangmyeon7131]

I agree with you on Beyounce’s promotion. I guess she felt it was kinda new from a viewer standpoint and it wanted to linger and see if her fan and let’s be real, The Whole World would like it. For the record I think Cowboy Carters is very monumental and got some bops on there.❤💯

[@sagelabyrinth8780]

I love that you are really honest. Admitting you dont replay your favorite artist's album is brave and most people won't do that.

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Hey, I can love artists and be honest! More people need to do that

[@melanino]

Im sorry KPOP fans but man KPOP comes off as such poser industry stealing most of the time. And its so oveely controlled that i cant enjoy it. We have overproduced and overly controlled pop music in America, but somehow I still feel like its a lot more organic than how KPOP manufactures their sounds. Also the blatant copying/taking genres and music from black folks while giving no dividends and cosplaying as them woukd give Drake a run for his money.

[@aurora-cc6hk]

yep i agree and i say this as a kpop fan. it’s all copied …

[@calladaydream]

yeah, a big problem within the kpop community is how they are against new things. whenever an artist trys a new genre that isnt popular they often get hate trains. for example, nmixx, stray kids, nct, and lots of others. afrobeats is sort of the trend rn but ive seen a lot of people against it.

[@PeteZaroll551]

I totally agree, it wasn't as unoriginal in the past generations

[@prunelle9068]

well anyways, black americans need to stop stealing from africans. Y'all are completely different cultures and americans are leeching onto africa at this point.

[@karinasnooodles_]

@@PeteZaroll551 are you serious ?? Kpop was unoriginal asf before

[@slurpee4203]

As a HUGE Neptunes/ Pharrell stan, i agree 10000% about bridges needing to make a comeback, especially in R&B. Hell, Pop too!!!

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Taste!!! I lovee pharrell. His production is masterful

[@slurpee4203]

@@CamrynSuzanne yesss omg

[@sarah0325_]

as someone who is an insanely big kpop fan I do agree that it is becoming so uninspired, there are very few groups sticking to an individualistic sound or concept, most of the groups being pushed west these days are heavily influenced by tyla, tinashe and pinkpantheress. And while that does sell, on tiktok, because it's 'what everyone's listening to' it's forgettable in a way and it's one of the main reasons why I'm just like not as into it as I used to be. Another point would be that a lot of kpop is -is- built of black culture and the over-saturation of the industry means that a lot of companies are just pumping out groups and music that is simply the current trend

[@sakaom]

people call eternal sunshine dated, girl its literally just house 😭😭 if you're homophobic say so, that's the type of song that got everyone in clubs voguing and i LOVE IT. house renaissance era please

[@babieeden]

Hey Camryn! Love this channel and congrats on the 45k you truly deserve it and more. I think it would be so cool to ask the audience for an artist "spotlight" with each of your videos. It would be great to highlight someone underrated / not well known doing unconventional and amazing things within their own genres.

[@cooldoberman2024]

i'm a man and espresso by sabrina carpenter is very catchy.

[@pleasecouldyoubetender]

espresso is definitely born from the say so’s and levitating’s of the world but i love it!! there’s always a space for that type of music i think

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Foresure!!

[@music18021]

I love old R&B and soul like Aretha, Etta James, James Brown, MJ, Whitney, Janet, Mariah, Toni Braxton, Fugees/Lauryn Hill, Brandy, Aaliyah, Monica, Destinys Child, Beyonce & Kelly's solo work, Ashanti, Usher, Ciara I can go on and on but I love today's R&B Normani, Kehlani, Jhene Aiko, Ty Dolla $ign, SZA, The Weeknd, JoJo's more recent work as well, H.E.R., Khalid, Majid Jordan, Miguel, Summer Walker, Daniel Ceasar theres so many great artists but I agree nothing beats the classics that came before them

[@CamrynSuzanne]

Yes I fall on the line of both!! I think there are some great things happening in rnb but the legends carried and paved the way

[@music18021]

​@@CamrynSuzannedamn straight they did I felt the late 2000's-early to mid 2010's there was such a lull in R&B because of the club boom and everything was EDM or pop lol so it's been so refreshing to have R&B back in the past few years with such a strong roster of artists 😊😊

[@thinadlamini4671]

Old R&B is life.

[@music18021]

@@thinadlamini4671 the best 😊😊 do you have any favorites? 😊😊

[@niyaakbar1098]

Agreed. I think today’s artists have their own charm

[@melonpeach9723]

the amandabb clip!! one of my favorite youtubers of all time!

[@CamrynSuzanne]

I love amanda!!!

[@melonpeach9723]

@@CamrynSuzanneyou have fantastic taste fr

[@exsosaythe4-hj5tm]

24:14 IM SO TIRED OF THAT I feel like artists who do that are rushing like take your time to put lyrics into the songs

[@mr.sailii]

I agree with the Rhianna take.😭

[@CamrynSuzanne]

I feel like it’s time people are honest 😭 still love rih though

[@quicksilvering]

okay help right after the person commented that espresso is a nothing song literally the next second afterwards I got an ad saying "study music" and it was just kind of funny to me

[@missmichellevp]

Music isn't a science project. Pop music has always been catchy and is supposed to be fun. Who remembers some of the most fun pop songs like Call me maybe, Wannabe, Barbie Girl, Mambo no. 5, YMCA, The Ketchup Song and the list goes on and on. They weren't the deepest or most intelligent songs, just plain old fun.

[@taniaejike3694]

The kpop is so true because New Jeans just released a song called Supernatural which has aspects of 90s new edition. Nothing new just replicating something that has been done before. They dont even try to give it a new spin just copy and paste .

[@minky2k]

Ok, I get what you mean! But NewJeans entire concept is “y2k” and 90s early 2000s inspired, it wouldn’t make sense to be futuristic or innovative … if you’re looking for that In a kpop group, I’d recommend Aespa. though I do agree with what you said about releasing stuff that is done before, kpop relies on trends too much- which makes it marketable, but not having any longevity whatsoever