"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice

[@BILLYLTD1408]

If you're listening to Curtis Yarvin and doing absolutely nothing else, you are still, in fact, multitasking.

[@nerdimmunity7672]

Haaa

[@sarahjerose1749]

😆

[@DogOneIsOpen]

Excellent line hah so true

[@adidabax6809]

I learned nothing but he likes to say 'sorta kinda sorta kinda.'

[@TB-ni4ur]

You can take the guy out of the bay area, you can't take the bay area out of the kid... Unless you've seen it, it's hard to understand, but talking in circles and the mental gymnastics is a part of the culture, primarily to confuse less sophisticated people so they don't want to argue back...

[@sendadiestra7203]

Books mentioned during the debate: Mises, Ludwig von: _Human Action_ Burnham, James: _The Machiavellians_ Hans-Hermann Hoppe: _Democracy, the god that failed_ Woods, Thomas: _How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization_ List, Friedrich: _The National System of Political Economy_ Grant, James: _The Forgotten Depression: 1921, the Crash that Cured Itself_ Garret, Garet: _The Bubble that Broke the World_ Other authors mentioned: Murray Rothbard, Adam Smith, Robert Nozick, Friedrich Hayek

[@januarysson5633]

Thanks. I took a screenshot of this comment to add them to my reading list so I’ll know what they’re talking about next time. Sounds interesting.

[@canmattfield]

I also took a screenshot! Was listening while driving and was annoyed that I was going to have to go back and ffw through to find these... doing the lords work!

[@timothylongfield3640]

You could give this list even if you hadn’t watched the video.

[@hansgullickson4080]

I also took a screenshot.

[@Galgus2000]

As someone who doesn't know much about Nozick beyond A Tale of a Slave, for which Curtis' interpretation was baffling, I'm curious why Michael Malice hates Nozick.

[@mdleavitt]

There fact Curtis was still talking as Michael signed off was perfect!

[@richardnokes6752]

Dave Has A Big D!ck And A Big Life...

[@BillyGlides]

Now I want to see Michael mediate a discussion between Curtis and Jesse Lee Peterson

[@のむ-san]

@@BillyGlides hahaha 😂

[@skylanh4319]

A conversation between Curtis and Malcolm Nance would be the longest introduction ever. Two hours in and they still would not have gotten to the topic. Curtis would have told his entire life story and Nance would have strung every word in the dictionary together without making a single point.

[@outdoorloser4340]

Micheal Leavitt? Hey that's my family last name.

[@jdchannelviewer]

Malice should have made an exception, given two guests, gone two hours. This was too good of a conversation and the internet needed much more.

[@srslyjosh]

The ‘Your Welcome’ chime cutting off Yarvin at the end - as he tried to interject one last time - was perfect and obviously intentional

[@acethirtysix8378]

It's up there with the Jessie Lee Peterson ending for sure

[@smoothALOE]

@@acethirtysix8378I was thinking the same thing, haha!

[@davidallen7404]

Is the segment with Dave Smith going to be in a part 2? If so when will that segment be uploaded?

[@GrumblingsMedia]

Too funny!

[@januarysson5633]

But at least the “uhm, uhms” were at a minimum. 😅

[@ericbwertz]

@@januarysson5633 Gratefully YES. I pressed play on my podcast app with great trepidation.

[@Eirenarch]

It has been uploaded - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYepYYhqhtJpfMk

[@troypisano5409]

Yarvin, the master of taking 15 minutes to make a 30 second point.

[@ilovebreadtoo]

This is my first time listening to him and that’s my first impression.

[@Talk378]

In a good way

[@barrydworak]

I'm zoning out trying to listen. I have a hard time following his meanderings, and it's not because I'm slow. He is the spoken equivalent of the three page run-on sentence without any punctuation.

[@adidabax6809]

With 50 'sorta kinda' mentions along the way

[@adidabax6809]

@@barrydworak Same.

[@shane727]

This Yarvin guy sure is loquacious

[@tactics40]

He's also very talkative.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

@@tactics40 Not only is he loquacious and talkative, he also likes to speak a lot.

[@Orgotheonemancult]

Not very quiet either...

[@Steve83B]

@@chesscomsupport8689seems like to the type to not let you get a word in either

[@adidabax6809]

Saying 'sorta kinda' every few words isn't quite what I think that means.

[@kurt9880]

Be sure to invite your progressive, democracy loving relatives.

[@dionysusyphus]

&/or relativists lbs 😄

[@NuanceOverDogma]

That’s not how this works.

[@cdavidlake2]

It's anti-democratic to even think that. Let me guess: January 6th wasn't an insurrection, either.

[@leetommerson639]

@@cdavidlake2 no. Stop regurgitating everything you see on TV.

[@detrockcity3]

@@leetommerson639 I’d bet good money he’s speaking in jest.

[@forcedanonymity1791]

Dave has grown over the years to be quite poised and thoughtful in his responses to difficult arguments.

[@bryanutility9609]

He’s a dummy stuck in juvenile ideology.

[@Bell-kc1hk]

Malice translating Curtis for Dave 😂

[@solsurvivor5899]

Lulz

[@gabriel-uc1uz]

Translating for us all, he is an intelligent person clearly but his tangents tend take twist and turns before finally reaching a point that have been stated much more simply.

[@billflipper1130]

Facts!

[@aloysiusdevadander19]

@@gabriel-uc1uz that's the best thing about Yarvin

[@TB-ni4ur]

@@gabriel-uc1uz That's not a virtue... It's a skill primary utilized on the left to confuse and obfuscate simple observations with weird and abstract analogies which is certainly not productive when having intellectual discussions with like-minded people. His "Newtonian Physics" punchline may have a desired impact with non-technical liberal arts type thinkers, but it's an overly trivial way of attempting to pretentiously say a theory is overly idealistic and not accounting for enough nuance. Why try to be cute with a simple concept. Obfuscation. If an opponent is scratching their head trying to figure out what in the world you're talking about, they're not focused on their next point.

[@nahiag]

About 15 minutes in and so far it sounds like Dave's fears was justified.

[@ACDC392333]

What were his fears?

[@shamanstudios3463]

No kidding.

[@texasmade9797]

This guy is the worst , Dave was correct to think it was going to happen

[@nameunavailable1330]

He had Dave on the ropes until the fiftieth minute and then Dave started to knocked it out.

[@adidabax6809]

And in the 16th minute the guy who says "Sorta kinda" beat the guy who says "like like."

[@skyyhighh6685]

Malice ignoring Yarvin's "I had a great point to make" at the end and then not asking Dave the question to end the show is a god tier trolling.

[@adidabax6809]

I didn't make it that far, but he failed to do that the entire 30 minutes I gave him. Be prepared, dude.

[@geesixnine]

Classic Malice

[@SMDaboobity]

This episode is the reason Dave wanted a debate format

[@omgjimmyboy]

Yeah malice really dropped the ball, Dave saw this coming, and Michael is supposed to be an anarchist I don’t understand how he could be afraid of debates.

[@jesse123185]

@omgjimmyboy I don't think he's afraid of a debate. I think it actually makes it easier on yarvin this way because he has a hard time with spoken rhetoric which is pretty much what a debate comes down to. I personally don't like debates and yarvin isn't good at any conversation where he has to speak on a specific topic he rambles and meanders saying whatever comes to his head. This whole conversation would be way better as an email exchange between Dave and Yarv then they could go on a show and discuss their thoughts. I like Yarvin he's a bright guy but he's best when he's writing out his thoughts he's totally outclassed by Dave in this environment

[@Trevalion]

The biggest compliment I can give Curtis Yarvin is that he is actually 95% as smart as he thinks he is.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

That's the best backhanded compliment I've heard in a long while.

[@Trevalion]

@@chesscomsupport8689 I don't even think it's backhanded. He's legitimately brilliant, just wish he was better at synthesizing his thoughts into less words

[@chesscomsupport8689]

@@Trevalion Yeah, I see what you're saying. "Backhanded" it putting it a bit too strongly.

[@drewmueller4609]

That's whats so irritating about him, haha

[@F1r3w4t3r]

@@Trevalion Amen brother

[@emmanuelpressley7267]

Curtis has the voice of a man who knits his own clothing

[@alistairproductions]

And then wears it inside-out

[@bridgebum826]

I think he cuts his own hair.

[@paulfroelich1024]

Hahaha this killed me

[@Trishpage312]

🤣🥇

[@Pau11Wa11]

@Dennis Tomlinson He cuts his hair?

[@justsayinyo8703]

Curtis looks so depressed when he isn’t talking…

[@Drewbie176]

I'm going to have to side with Yarvin on this one, because at one point Dave said he liked Ben Burgis, and I find that unforgivable

[@saturnFIV3]

😂

[@saturnFIV3]

Ben Burgers

[@BLINK4444]

Yarvin holding the burp is one of the best parts so far

[@GonzointheSelf]

😂

[@theb1rd]

Well I've got good news

[@snicky58]

Ooh, I can't wait for that part!

[@Melinda_B62]

I love respectful debates such as this where each participant is allowed to speak their piece without interruption. I also love watching Michael crack up in laughter & losing it - & fighting to regain his composure. 🤣

[@ethanrumley746]

I legitimately fell asleep twice trying to get through this 7/10 will try a third

[@alistairproductions]

He's so annoying

[@Thurman_Merm]

So many complaints about Yarvin rambling. I ❤️ it! Plz plz plz MOAR! This was an amazing convo and I can't wait to see 3 of the most brilliant minds together again soon.

[@paulfroelich1024]

Yarvin has a great sense of humor about himself, that's my thoughtful take.

[@mysteryman6918]

A Curtis Yarvin vid brought to you by Progressive Insurance… the wonders of the world will never cease

[@snesleywipessqueegeeservices]

What are the odds that we'll be able to produce one page of crisp bullet points to summarise the discussion today?

[@bracholi]

-1:■

[@adidabax6809]

1) Sorta kinda. 2) Like like like.

[@joeylummox7330]

1. Standing up a pencil 2. Sorta kinda 3. Sorta kinda 4. Sorta kinda

[@Eirenarch]

Moldbug says libertarianism (by which he means the Austrian School of Economics) is like Nutonian Physics, you can pretend that is how the world works but it really isn't. Makes some good points baiting Dave to say that killing the commies in Russia at the start of the 20th century before they did anything would be a good thing and then notes that it would be violation of the NAP. Then proceeds to explain that Hoppe has taught him that libertarianism doesn't work. Strange because Hoppe is an ancap and Moldbug never says where he disagrees with Hoppe. He doesn't let Dave talk much :)

[@Galgus2000]

@Eirenarch Dave then managed to get in the point that Austrian economics actually does describe how the world works, but that it's ignored with awful consequences. And that it's easier to say post hoc that it'd have been better to kill the communists. As you say, Dave didn't get much time to talk and there was little real back and forth. More just Curtis going back to his monolog.

[@perchdaddy]

One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

[@synewparadigm]

😂

[@iankclark]

Yep, I reckon.

[@treesurgeon2441]

"Three wars back we called sauerkraut "liberty cabbage" and we called liberty cabbage "super slaw" and back then a suitcase was known as a "Swedish lunchbox." Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling."

[@snicky58]

Grandpa Simpson? Is that you?👋

[@Muataran]

"Gimme five bees for a quarter," made me laugh harder than it should have.

[@intivism]

This was so fun. And the comedic cut at the end while Curtis was starting a story was perfect.

[@abyss87walker]

I need 3 more hours of this.

[@blakephillips8649]

The general recommendation is that you get 8 hours of sleep

[@abyss87walker]

@@blakephillips8649 Nighty-night dumb-dumb

[@adidabax6809]

If you take out the one dude saying "sorta kinda" and the other saying "like like like" this would have been 15 minutes.

[@FazeParticles]

Agreed. More Moldbug and Dave

[@dionysusyphus]

waited for this collab for so long

[@rabidkitten01]

It was so funny at around the 26 minute mark Michael just cut out Dave's camera like it was just having Curtis on as a guest 😅

[@spanishb1]

You know what, the hand held 🎤 move by Curtis has turned out to be a really brilliant move.

[@lproof8472]

Total power move lol

[@trmpt73]

Yes, Yarvin talked a lot, but as a big fan of Smith/Malice, I pretty much know Dave's world view and answers. I found it interesting to hear more about Yarvin's views and points.

[@Pau11Wa11]

It takes so long for him to make a point it’s hard to recall what he’s even responding to.

[@ricomuerte1012]

I have respect for Curtis and his opinions but I can hardly listen to his endless pontifications that seemingly go nowhere. Maybe I’m not intelligent enough but his inability to make a short, succinct point made him almost impossible to follow. Aside from that, I enjoyed this conversation. Dave crushed as usual.

[@Steve83B]

If you’re watching this, you’re definitely smart enough. Curtis assumes that most people don’t have the correct historical context. (Most don’t). That’s the over arching theme in his answers. In other words, our priors lead us to the wrong answers; mostly because we aren’t asking the right questions.

[@alistairproductions]

Wtf is a prior? I didn't need to know anything about history to get here all you need is a bs detector that smells govt is nonsense. You don't need any intelligence or historical context whatsoever

[@darbyohara]

Curtis clearly understands what he talks about but he has no experience presenting his ideas to a non niche audience. He’s incapable of communicating effectively. It’s like he’s in a prison of his own ideas. Lots to share but just can’t get it out well

[@Tehz1359]

He's a terrible public speaker. He's annoyingly bad.

[@Caligula138]

Curtis drinking a 22oz can of Budweiser while Dave took a sip from his glass of Boubon/whiskey was eye opening

[@tomscullin]

"There was a bee tied to my belt because there was an onion at the time." lol that was great

[@jacobhelgeson3038]

😆 I know how smart Yarvin is, but Godamn is there a LOT of fat on his thoughts

[@scottfreedoms9584]

Really good way to put it.

[@PTS74]

He'd reach a larger audience if he could make the effort to be concise. I always have to listen to his podcast episodes twice, as I feel like cartain points are missed the first time around, due to the density of his explainations.

[@demun6065]

@@PTS74 I feel like that would make him less authentic. The roundabout way in which he thinks is probably how he develops such great understanding on a given topic.

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

then maybe...

[@justinfitzpatrick013]

Listening to him is good calisthenics for attention span

[@ineedmymodfixed]

Curtis looks like he is Dave and Michaels child

[@cujo3357]

Antifa go and learn real basic biology .

[@emZee1994]

Yarvin is absolutely correct about describing Hoppe as the key to escaping Plato's Cave if you're a Libertarian, or almost. When I was a Libertarian Hoppe got me so far out the cave I was seeing the light, but Yarvin got me so firmly outside I couldn't even see the cave, and I haven't looked back since I love it when Yarvin just goes on a rant for like an hour haha so entertaining and yet educational. *All hail our God Emperor King Curtis Yarvin*

[@Giorginho]

Are you Jewish?

[@jansonhensen7804]

Would love a regular podcast with these three.

[@joeylummox7330]

Same but no Yarvin

[@kyrman6038]

When I learned about financial incentives I started calling myself a libertarian. When I learned about power incentives I stopped calling myself a libertarian.

[@dikdynasty234]

Money is power, no?

[@LGBrandonWalsh]

​@@dikdynasty234 power is power

[@dikdynasty234]

@@LGBrandonWalsh Oh, thanks so much for clarifying! Makes sense now…

[@mouwersor]

@@dikdynasty234 The use of currency is a subset of all power.

[@DrugsForRobots]

What is power?

[@crazando]

Honestly I love the whole group and I would tune in often if they had their own podcast. And I never do podcasts

[@Obidarthkenobi]

The next episode of Your Welcome will start with 15 minutes of Yarvin saying what his favorite part of what Dave said was

[@bridgebum826]

There's more unused footage for this episode than for all of The Lord of the Rings.

[@jam199716]

Really interesting conversation! You should make this a regular thing

[@ptb4049]

Second😎

[@tonyo8187]

Please no, I can't listen to Curtis make round about analogies for another hour without making a direct argument.

[@Potatojoe2000]

What was MY favorite part of this discussion? (burp) Curtis' (burp) ability to break things down through concise analogies (burp) so that the non-intellectual types, like me, can easily and simply (burp) digest the complex.

[@Caltex2010]

Great episode. Michael did a tremendous job keeping Curtis' penchant for long monologues in check, which was much to Curtis' benefit.

[@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy]

I love how Malice is able to gently (and sometimes not so gently) wrangle and direct Yarvin's immense energy while keeping good humor about the whole thing.

[@nicholasbailey6236]

In summary, evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

[@hariwilliams8208]

I think any episode with Curtis you need like 2 or 3 hours with him

[@crazando]

He is such an amazing thinker

[@Giorginho]

@@crazandonope

[@davesantos2514]

Three minds where each forces the others to up their games. Love it. Need more of this.

[@CloverPickingHarp]

I wouldn't exactly say that Smith forces Yarvin to up his game, although Malice surely does.

[@Caltex2010]

@@CloverPickingHarp Dave is a tremendous communicator, but he's not the theorist. Michael and Curtis definitely live in the area of ideas much more. It was interesting to see Michael acting as the translator and helping Curtis translate his ideas, as that's definitely an area Curtis struggles.

[@davesantos2514]

@@CloverPickingHarp semantics. Smith forces Yarvin to pay more attention. I doubt Smith forces Yarvin to play his best game, but he definitely forces Yarvin to play a better game than he can often get away with playing. It is strange to listen as a common idiot, and to feel as though I'm recognizing simple and or obvious points that they seem to miss. I wish I was able to ask in those moments if they're just missing them or if I'm really really really dumb.

[@christianrussell7657]

Love Dave, but i think this is more of a debate for a Tom Woods type to handle

[@apersononlineyes6554]

Agreed. Dave doesn't have that much historical knowledge.

[@andrewaccount954]

We just need to have an episode with all of them

[@mattstiglic]

Is it just me, or does Curtis have a sort of Norm Macdonald-esque delivery to his humorous anecdotes/jokes?

[@adidabax6809]

Were there jokes? No. Norm doesn't say "kinda sorta" every few words.

[@JonathanSchattke]

wait, you noticed jokes? Give me timestamps, man, not just pretend. Pics or it didn't happen.

[@drewmueller4609]

@@JonathanSchattke nouveau riche was pretty funny

[@willisfritz4562]

it's just you

[@exiledskunk5046]

Well i haven't noticed it, but now that you've said it I'll see if i get that Impress. Eitherway Norm (RIP) is the greatest

[@jasonmaguire7552]

It's so funny when Yarvin looks directly at the camera. It's like he suddenly looking through the screen at me.

[@omgjimmyboy]

That latitude joke about Haiti and Iceland was pretty hilarious, Yarvin is a funny guy

[@nostromothegreat]

Where does he make the joke?

[@omgjimmyboy]

@@nostromothegreat I think it’s like about 10-15 mins in

[@redmed10]

Time stamps are always handy.

[@sonofwotan]

My main takeaway is that Smith and Yarvin compliment each other quite well. Dave is theory bound, but able to express himself with energy and clarity. Yarvin is the opposite. It would be interesting to hear the two of them do a series of podcasts together.

[@BasedGauncho]

Even more interesting is the fact that Dave is actually involved in real politics where as Yarvin is completely dissociated from any real politics. Basically an inversion of the conversation.

[@januarysson5633]

Yarvin is very abstract. He should try writing a model constitution for the CEO monarchy he wants to create.

[@jetrpg22]

@@BasedGauncho Libertarians have a practical guide now tho, Hoppe lays it out well.

[@BasedGauncho]

@@jetrpg22 i have only read his book democracy the god that failed, where does he lay this plan out?

[@jetrpg22]

@@BasedGauncho short versions is getting L right. cdn.mises.org/Getting%20Libertarianism%20Right.pdf

[@dj-mu9ue]

I had a bead tied to my belt because it was the onion at the time... lol nice Simpson reference

[@Bombsquadcomedyshow]

Dave Smith is asking society to become libertarian. Curtis isn't asking, he's telling.

[@padraicburns9278]

@@calvinsomething5348 Larkin Rose had a great video recently covering the natural tendency to seek leadership and contrasting leaders from rulers

[@Bombsquadcomedyshow]

@@calvinsomething5348 I think it's more simple than that. From the libertarian prospective the NAP is morally correct. As a result all the different people of the world are acting immoral by engaging in politics and aggressing against each other. Basically politics is just a street fight with extra steps. As a result the libertarians are justified in using any and all methods of responsive force at their disposal to stop the violence. In short put your boot on their neck and don't take it off until they cry uncle and promise to never violent the NAP again.

[@camwelch9948]

How is a monarchist libertarian?

[@Bombsquadcomedyshow]

@@camwelch9948 You stop the difference flavors of totalitarianism by forcefully imposing libertarian values on society by taking authority by any and all means.

[@camwelch9948]

@@Bombsquadcomedyshow I command you to be free!

[@dylanholt9906]

That was quick.

[@TerexJ]

So this is what a Jewish family reunion is like? Fascinating.

[@Wulgreath]

I think the only thing that stops Malice from reigning in Yarvin fully is their familiarity. The only other host I've seen wrangle him as well is Ben Boyce. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I'd rather see Ben on Malice's show, or vice versa.

[@iankclark]

A like both but that’s a stretch.

[@Confucius_76]

Alex Jones wrangled him pretty well too, or at least forced him to make his points very quickly

[@TopShelfTheology]

I absolutely love your obvious post production interruptions for Patriot Gold.

[@Vejtable]

This was literally the goat episode of Your Welcome. Thank you so much for this.

[@footteatimeofficial7832]

Side note...... (And this guy looked at me as have not yet put my sexuality in question and then said) "That's an interesting choice" said so nonchalantly from the scooter story was one of the funniest moments in podcasting lore to date. close second to Curtis holding back those legendary burps. Only through 25 minutes but that was gold. Be well everyone 🙏❤️😁

[@zk3212]

The way the music interrupted him talking at the end 🤣🤣🤣 I'm howling

[@BS-we7xp]

Had to listen to this at 1.5x speed. Curtis took to many Xanax this podcast.

[@onclesam1463]

8:15 The argument made by Curtis Yarvin is libertarianism can only work under a set of specific conditions. If these conditions are not met first, it will be doomed to fail.

[@onclesam1463]

This quote from his essay "From Mises to Carlyle: My Ill Journey to the Dark Side of the Force" pretty much sums up his thesis on the subject.: "Here is the Carlylean roadmap for the Misesian goal. Spontaneous order, also known as freedom, is the highest level of a political pyramid of needs. These needs are: peace, security, law, and freedom. To advance order, always work for the next step-without skipping steps. In a state of war, advance toward peace; in a state of insecurity, advance toward security; in a state of security, advance toward law; in a state of law, advance toward freedom".

[@alw1915]

First time hearing Curtis Yarvin. I can see why in his previous episode Dave felt they needed a debate style setup if he were to sit in with Curtis. The dude makes an Alex Jones monologue look like tiktok compared to how long winded he can be.

[@Rhodiac]

Watch him on tucker, you get used to it and he makes great points

[@combatINFOcenter]

The Einstein/Newton model Yarvin uses is based on a dead, non-organic world. The first clue early on was the mixed metaphor in his introductory remarks. The difference between pencils and motorcycles (in motion) is the dynamics of something-something gyroscopic, a model that’s quite different from the static physics of a pencil or telephone pole. To go from Venezuela to Singapore, it helps to bear in mind that societies even or especially in the economic sense are dynamic systems, much akin or even perhaps equivalent to biological living systems, so a good Libertarian retort could rely on the idea/reality that a society unfettered automatically generates an equilibrium of its own.

[@GrumblingsMedia]

This guy Yarvin is obviously intelligent, but he has or rather lacks an ability to put his points in laymen terms and his analogies need work. Again, think laymen terms Yarvin.

[@fishcreek8579]

Michael was begging Dave to have him on. I find him far less boring than Dave.

[@danwroy]

Eight months later, not a day goes by that I don't find myself talking about this discussion

[@beareggers]

I knew if you let Curtis talk long enough, he'd say the n-word.

[@fishcreek8579]

Based

[@primusinterpares5767]

Wow, he's just like me!

[@daviddonkiv8112]

Infinite Monkey Yarvin theorem

[@angeliahoffman8500]

Yarvin still talking as malice shut off stream . Perfect

[@chase_k23]

It's hard to recognize the KISS band member without the makeup on.

[@synewparadigm]

😂

[@Hank_scorp1o]

“Give me 5 bees for a quarter you’d say.”

[@KB-zn3wg]

"No white onions, because of the war. They only had the big yellow ones."

[@DaZese]

Thank God Tim Dillion got me with this guy already. Truly a hilarious troll to have as a guest

[@DaZese]

The act of him being a guest being the troll. Not him being a troll. Very sincere guy lol

[@paulfroelich1024]

@@DaZese I loved that ep. Gave me a new appreciation for how well-read Tim is.

[@teamgoosenest]

This needs to be turned into a three hour long in-person conversation

[@pnmwngy1]

We need to roll back the state

[@The_Dissident]

"Like, like" vs. "Kinda, sorta"

[@savoirfaire6181]

Thanks for doing this discussion Michael.

[@mitchelweaver6801]

There really isn't a point in having Yarvin on with other people lol His style is rambly, it's who he is, he can't help it. Just have him on and let him ramble.

[@mickadams1905]

Curtis is rocking a Rachel Levign style hair cut. Nice.

[@f__kyoudegenerates]

You can't violate the NAP against people who don't support the NAP. If someone does not follow the NAP they are willing to violate peoples rights or support someone who violates rights.

[@TheWhiteManSays]

Spain during franco was better than it is today. Fact. Im not romanticizing either. My greatgrandfather fought the war, my grandfather lived in franco spain, and my father saw it all fall apart and completely undone.

[@torrasque0151]

How do you respond to the criticism that Franco's policies led to the countryside being almost completely deserted?

[@callummorgan7495]

16:40 'It was better under Pinochet than before him' - Dave Smith

[@redmed10]

Do you agree? I presume you do by just putting it up there.

[@callummorgan7495]

@@redmed10 Fuck no. Pinochet was a brutal far right dictator than murdered political opponents and overthrew the democratically elected government. This guy just showed how much of a vile clown he is by saying what he said.

[@jackangelo99]

This was pure gold on so many levels...

[@philipmarx1819]

I love Curtis, but good God, make your fucking point concisely. His explanations are like those old Family Circle cartoons with Billy meandering all over the yard to get from the gate to the front door.

[@theofieles2589]

Michael is one of the few people who can wrangle Curtis, and he can only barely do it. Props. Great show.

[@Hibernial]

The Alex Jones and Yarvin whisperer.

[@theofieles2589]

@@Hibernial 🙃 Absolutely. Most people just have to submit to the nonstop barrage of insanity and brilliance. Michael's like, "Cuuuuurrrtiisssss. Settle down. I'll give you some candy if you let the other person talk." 🤣

[@BobSmith-vj5kz]

it helps to have a high-pitched whiny voice--like the way a piccolo cuts through the orchestra

[@autoentropy]

A monarchist, a libertarian, and an anarchist walk into a bar...

[@DanielWoike]

Well, to be technical (and what else is a libertarian than technical) Dave Smith is also an anarchist.

[@autoentropy]

@@DanielWoike whatch out this guy is fun at parties

[@DanielWoike]

@@autoentropy at least I am self-aware of my lameness.

[@Tfortruth2]

A federal reserve note isn't stock in the US Gov., it's a unit of measuring collateral value of US citizens

[@dannyarcher6370]

59:20 - I love how Moldbug sits there and just wryly takes it.

[@father3dollarbill]

Can this guy speak? Imagine asking him what the time is. He'll definitely mention 3 random books and obscure political science.

[@adidabax6809]

"Sorta kinda sorta kinda." Ugh.

[@zachbaker778]

Sorry everything wasn’t made cookie-cutter for you sweetie

[@jetorixjones]

We are living in the bad times created by weak men. These are the strong men to return us to good times.

[@torrasque0151]

Well not "these" these, they are more like the Grima Wormtongues to the future Caesar.

[@harpermcalpineblack8573]

In short: the relation between power and liberty is paradoxical. It takes a lot of power to create a situation that can be maintained with minimal power. I still find the deepest and most nuanced consideration of such things is in (a somewhat Straussian reading of) Plato's Republic. (Socrates, of course, resolves the paradox with a class of rigorously objective 'Guardians' who have absolute power but are wise enough to rarely exercise it and for the most part let people be - 'justice' (dike) being defined as not messing with other people's business. Oppression is meddlesome. )

[@ChrisOfSDUB]

For a smart guy, Moldbug needs to eliminate the word like from his speech patterns

[@gonzalogonzalez2585]

I swear to the gods, if we have to listen to the analogy of the telephone-pole-pen one more time...

[@mainhouseweightlifting]

Yarvins issue is that he's talking with Physics and Mathemarical analogies to a Comedian and a Writer. Yarvin needs to understand his audience better and bring his thoughts to their arena vs dragging someone into an arena that has zero meaning to them. "Reimann geometry", "Einsteinian Terms", "Newtonian Model" are memetics that just won't carry any meaning with the people he's speaking to.

[@LPStarsoverstalingra]

Unfortunately he has a thin list of concepts he likes to cycle through in these types of conversations, so the conversation doesn't have a fresh feel if you've heard him a lot before and he can get away with repeating things he's often said since it's technically to a audience that hasn't heard his 50 other podcast appearances that are similar.

[@mysteryman6918]

@@LPStarsoverstalingraagreed, he needs to be interviewed by someone with a much deeper knowledge of his old writings (UR) to question him on more complicated concepts. I get that these interviews with Malice types are for publicity but they don’t seem challenging.

[@LPStarsoverstalingra]

@@mysteryman6918 I think he's mentioned before he doesn't like talking to people who engage with his content in a specific deep way, because it's too much like talking to himself. He framed it as like a oxygen ventilator that blows the air back in your face in a unpleasant way.

[@mysteryman6918]

@@LPStarsoverstalingra fair enough but I think he should do an interview with someone who’s both well-versed and critical

[@aibrainlet8041]

​@@LPStarsoverstalingra I love how he is the closest you people have to pass for an intellectual and you all hate him and think he's stupid. On brand.

[@r.d.9332]

Great talk! Dave Smith did a very good job, wouldn't have thought he could hold up his part of the game.

[@BASEDinMaine]

30 mins in and I think Michael has done a pretty good job so far moderating this discussion. Disregarding comments to the contrary.

[@adidabax6809]

BASED! Disregard!

[@nicholasbarrett3018]

52:02 Curtis explaining the treasury is possibly the funniest/saddest thing I've ever heard.

[@samkane1695]

Best Michael Malice content yet. Great host

[@SeveredLegs]

Yarvin rambles too much. It's anyone explaining to him in advance that we don't want to hear a long version of everything, ever?