Overwatch is Cooked - Why Marvel Rivals Wins

[@CharlesBarrett-mg4yu]

Just switch your channel name to Your Hero Shooter and cover what you feel like, can’t tie your brand to one game anymore

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Or ExOverwatchAvidPlayer

[@Anubirai]

That’s me, my content is whatever I feel like uploading lol.

[@punkypony5165]

Honestly I agree. But the name is iconic so maybe he can keep the name as an ironic thing.

[@SlimeySludge]

sounds a bit better than "Your Marvel Rivals"

[@arndt713]

yup

[@mackenziebarefoot1913]

Remember when fans wanted Hero bans, and Overwatch let a legit cat pick which hero would be banned lmaoo

[@kaint8974]

fr like we wanted hero bans and then they were like "yeah so we'll be the ones deciding what gets banned, not the players"

[@starsnoireart]

That's when I lost respect for the dev team, ngl. I realized that they genuinely thought their players were too stupid to know what they wanted / needed.

[@therealzahyra]

That was hero pools, they never actually did hero bans

[@simbadg13]

Funny thing was those bans the cat did were one of the better ones. At least that's what flats said

[@bombasticboi841]

​@@kaint8974 S tier pfp fire artist

[@riugga9596]

you know overwatch is cooked when even a chanel called your overwatch says rivals won

[@moldyjames439]

🐑

[@helpme6897]

@@moldyjames439🐈

[@thetruecakehead]

@@moldyjames439 🤡

[@dukeofgotham4311]

@moldyjames439 It’s ok you can go back to Overwatch 1.5 while we’ll be having fun with rivals 😂

[@moldyjames439]

@dukeofgotham4311 I play both. Not saying Rivals isn’t an amazing game but people are hopping on the “Overwatch is doomed!” Train too soon. Overwatch is still a more fun game for me personally because it’s more polished and popping off in that game just feels so much more satisfying. Rivals just needs some time to get there imo.

[@natey173]

In diamond. Overtime. I was Magneto, with a Groot. Enemy iron man ults. I Magneto ult to eat it. Our Groot gets a 5 man ult as a chuck the photon blast boosted Magneto bomb into the clump. We win. Whole team starts cheering over voice. Absolute cinema. Was the moment I realized this game was special. I hadn't felt that in overwatch in years.

[@YourOverwatch]

Mag is my favorite character. I hope you liked the plays in this video. Outplaying ults is certainly baked into MR and part of the depth I'm referring to. I love eating Punisher ult, but tossing it to kill him before he can pop it.

[@badger297]

I didn't play OW. I been on the BR kick for years. What drew me in was the art style and the team up abilities. The character designs and kits are just so fucking cool. I'm having a blast playing MR. Its the only game to peel me off THE FINALS in months.

[@ni9274]

Then the enemy Luna snow use her ult and nothing happen, or cloak and dagger use her suzu and nothing happen, or locki use his invincibility field and nothing happen

[@shogun0810]

​@@ni9274or they're on cooldown and they die You've also named three supports Highly unlikely they're on your team All circumstantial. Sound like you need to learn to play around cooldowns

[@natey173]

@@ni9274 luna snow ult doesn't stop one shots. The other two that you mentioned will, but i believe they were running Mantis Adam

[@VeryStinkySlime]

Time to rebrand to Your MarvelRivals

[@1kbmahan]

It depends on what game brings money and views

[@_Tygon_]

200 iq is making two channels and making bank off the hype of both lol

[@avfx]

@@_Tygon_ matter of time vs income.. 300IQ biz consultant lol

[@luisdelossantos830]

200IQ play the more fun game

[@ThriceGr8]

Just "your rival" would be a dope name ngl

[@LeeoGoneWild]

Wolverine is exactly why dev teams shouldn’t just run in and buff/nerf when they experience “outrage.” People need to get used to new characters… they need to get used to their characters playing against the new characters instead of demanding changes so quickly

[@CrystalMang0]

Wrong. Wolverine is bery weak right now and people are firced to sit behind a corner all day to land a kung move because he has no self sustain as a melee character outside his very long passive cooldown

[@damncritics]

@@CrystalMang0 You probably play at a very low rank then. Even at plat I ran into some very oppressive wolverines and now at GM I've gotten bodied by some really strong wolverines who carried their teams.

[@CzDelta92]

@@CrystalMang0 wolverine is one of the top win rates in high rank lmao

[@patrickolah]

10 years down the line, playing rivals with the 140 characters really trying to decide what your teams 14th ban is going to be

[@mmakotal4388]

No there will be rivals 2

[@neoshenlong]

10 years down the line, Marvel Rivals veterans making videos about Overwatch 3 being the Rivals killer.

[@HighGuyy420]

​@@neoshenlongdoubt it, we've seen how Blizzard handles sequels and their player base who supports them :)

[@patrickolah]

@ you made me smile

[@DreadedLad88]

I actually laughed out loud at this 🤣

[@Noxau-o6q]

I don’t think there’s a bigger fuck up than how blizzard has handled overwatch, taking it from one of the most promising IP’s to basically the agreed upon laughing stock of gaming, blizzard is so shameful

[@3takoyakis]

MILLIONS of players bought 60$ game. Then they decided to ruin overwatch. What a brilliant move blizzard

[@christopherripley5081]

When holding M1 got you to gm for free in an fps……Ow has been cooked since then

[@perennialcoma]

Let me tell you about Concord

[@shogun0810]

@@Noxau-o6q *Laughs in concord*

[@kuroganeyukia579]

​@@perennialcomaAt least concord was an instant fuck up and no one really cared, overwatch hurts more cause it had so much potential to branch out to be super big, shows,movies,comics,spin off games, and they did nothing but slowly ruin themselves more and more until people didnt care anymore and now its a laughing stock with people praying on its downfall

[@sasori670]

Hero bans might’ve saved doomfist from being nerfed to oblivion

[@CapitalSans]

We could still have dps doom if there were hero bans

[@hidden3880]

He’d still wouldnt be played as much

[@starn9]

good. doom is for people who suck

[@CapitalSans]

@ he was fun. Overwatch is a game for people who suck. People with skills play Valorant.

[@seanqwe100]

Bans should start in plat not diamond because as soon as i hit diamond i had a significantly more fun time lol

[@PapaSquaatch]

yea im in low plat/high gold. and some heroes are just oppressive down here

[@bread9840]

I caved yesterday and just abused Hela after not touching her until I hit plat

[@rubendariomena4940]

there should be in every elo

[@zichirichi]

Why stop at plat make it all in ranked play even in bronze or silver

[@seanqwe100]

@zichirichi I only say plat due to that is when it felt like the hela players could kinda hit their shots

[@marquisdeans8271]

Playing Overwatch after playing Marvel Rivals for a week straight is like that first day back to work after a long weekend. Soul crushing

[@3takoyakis]

It is soul crushing seeing how easy it is for the dev actually listen and taking player advise

[@Elion-c8t]

@@3takoyakis You think the Marvel devs are gonna balance their game? 💀

[@wowitsruss]

3rd person to first person shooter can do that to ya especially comparing one of the greatest optimized engines for fps (ow2) to marvels.

[@AgentOrange502]

@@Elion-c8t holy shit you can't make this up. Your Overwatch is roasting you in the video lmaoo. you should watch the video to see what I mean

[@Elion-c8t]

@@AgentOrange502 what do you MEAN "your Overwatch" lmao I hate Overwatch so much, and uninstalled it quite a while ago. Not planning on playing it ever again either :)

[@pigboykool]

Tear in my eyes, seeing Iron Man jumped from F tier to S tier without any in game buff.........lol

[@kingt0295]

Lmao I thought half the characters sucked in my first 10-15 hours now I’ve played nearly them all of them (haven’t touched black panther or Magik yet) I realise I just sucked

[@pigboykool]

Totally agree. Each character is special in their own way, even some is more powerful than the other one. But I have fun playing each one of them that's what matters to me. 😂

[@macky453]

@@kingt0295Panther is insane once you get the hang of him. He is getting a slight nerf next season though.

[@kingt0295]

@@macky453 I’ve seen some clips of him being insane I just know I’ll suck w the aim of the spear and hitting the dashes lmao the learning curve will be tough but I’ll get around to playing them both eventually, I’ve gotten good with a couple in each category so rarely leave those couple picks in the roles I play

[@Bo0tmun]

This is legit insane. My biggest problem with overwatch was the fact that once things were locked into a tierlist it would never escape its place in the tierlist until a buff came along. Here, we are seeing a former F tier rise to S tier just by people figuring out ways to use the hero properly. Wolverine was an F tier until people realised that it could gurantee a tank kill with proper skill. Like so many buffs and nerfs can be avoided simply by having people figure out by themselves how to properly utilize a hero in a match.

[@ASpicyGator]

This game is living proof that hero bans have been needed in overwatch for some time now.

[@DyingBreed8]

It almost makes more sense to do hero bans from bronze to plat, then no hero bans afterwards.

[@egorbor5713]

Overwatch doesnt need bans… there are no op characters in overwatch and you can rank up no matter what type of comp your team or the enemy team has. How are u just gonna say smth like that with nothing to back it up… the games are different, why does overwatch need a ban system. Just get better and learn how to play against every hero. Its not the game its u

[@JustSkram]

You mean that thing even paladins has had since day 1? Lmao

[@M47H15]

@@egorbor5713you are so ignorant. You know how many oppressive metas there have been in ow? Almost every season has had one. Widow has been a problem in high ranks on certain maps for almost EVERY season. Have u forgotten the sojourn meta?? You must be low rank to say ts. The game becomes stagnant with oppressive metas like that. Every game feels the same. With hero bans, low rank enjoyers like you can ban junkrat and we can ban widow. Everyone wins

[@ASpicyGator]

@@egorbor5713 it would alleviate balance issues from every single meta we’ve ever had rather than wait for the midseason patch to fix things. And it just gives better player agency. If widow is oppressive at my rank i can just ban her. If reaper is oppressive at my rank i can just ban him.

[@Polarclan2566]

I quit overwatch when they reveled they killed overwatch 1 for no reason. Over a year and half of no updates just to go to 5v5. Absolutely awful

[@FatalFist]

So many of these KZbinrs wanted Overwatch 2 too and brought this on themselves.

[@Raytheman581]

Yep, I loved OW1, and they said we'd be able to play with OW2 players. I remember when they scratched that I was like wow, guess things are a changing. Then they said 5v5 and I was like I don't like that at all.

[@charliebartlett5768]

Tbf half of the draw for OW2 was the PvE which never happened.

[@SirenRyan]

@@Raytheman581 They never "scratched that" you're just slow and misunderstood the initital OW2 announcement. It was always going to be the same servers and same updated engine. The only thing OW2 players were going to have that OW1 players were not were the OW2 redesign skins and access to PvE. PvP was never going to be a separate thing. Go back to school.

[@Raytheman581]

@@SirenRyanI don't know why you're this angry but its not that serious.

[@PsychoSpit]

TLDR A 25 minute “ I told you so”

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

And I subbed for it 😂

[@oscaraguilar5247]

Thing is we really don't need nerfs, as a lot of characters are losing their season buff in January. Hela for example will be losing her 20% dmg bonus, Hawkeye loses his dmg bonus as well, Hulk and Groot 200 hp bonus, etc. Looking forward to see what heroes are strong next season.

[@joseph2000117]

Praying for cap seasonal buff

[@raygonzales197]

Hawkeye will still be able to one-shot. The loss of the buff will mainly affect body shots to tanks. Hela will still pop heads, too. Magik is the main and only loser of the season buff loss. I don't think she'll be able to one-shot combo anything anymore.

[@SpyralKing]

how does that work? I thought the same heroes would be getting buffed since its the teamup achors and those wouldnt change? Isnt the buff a means to give something to the anchor who otherwise doesnt get anything from the team-up?

[@bloodangel7731]

I cant wait for ultron to be released. I can tell he's gonna be alot of fun to learn

[@GrizzlyHugz]

​@@SpyralKingno you are thinking about the teamup abilities, the seasonal buffs are passive stat boosts that show up when ppl select their hero, like luna +15% heal buff.

[@kaczan3]

Blizzard has won the lottery with Overwatch, but they threw the winning ticket away.

[@ghostdoggtv]

It's worse... Blizzard HQ is in Irvine, CA. Disneyland is 15-30 minutes up the freeway from them. They could have been the ones to make this game and they dropped the ball so hard it's unbelievable.

[@dapper-alcremie460]

This is by far the best quote I’ve ever seen about overwatch

[@3takoyakis]

They were winning HARD They were uncontested for YEARS Every hero shooter died except overwatch and TF2

[@ThekidSpot]

tbf they really had the hero shooter genre by its balls for 8 years straight and even got a GOTY award. If anything they blew all their prize money on bs it didnt need.

[@egorbor5713]

Bro what… how?? Bc ow doesnt have hero bans? Ur just ass

[@mike.fan4]

It's really not a Your Overwatch video unless frido says how he's always right, "proves" he was always right and devs and players didn't listen to him. What a formula.

[@j43k]

Didn't notice that until today

[@beingbag2606]

Bliz won't hire the developers they need to make Overwatch thrive. They will continue to lay people off and wonder why there is no profit.

[@hugo-zi6gm]

No. It's more like the devs they need aren't interested in working for Blizzard, rather than Blizzard not wanting more people

[@Raytheman581]

@@hugo-zi6gm This is accurate, the people that left either wanted to or had to leave.

[@bigperk345]

People thinking they aren't making money off OW are deluded and I can't think of where this info comes from except some rando yt documentaries.

[@Not_Ciel]

Well there is a TON of profit on OW because half the shit they put out are recolors. The overhead on OW must be so low right now.

[@danr8267]

They're making tons of profit with the kiriko skins lol as sad as it sounds

[@dexoutgaming229]

As someone with the Overwatch logo permanently inked into my left arm, here is MY review: I deleted Overwatch

[@DarukaEon]

Shit man... this gives me abusive ex vibes. 😱

[@avatarnang5803]

Natson is that you?

[@dexoutgaming229]

@ negative ghost rider

[@joseph2000117]

rivals tattoo next lol

[@jeremyrennerpornotruth]

insanely cringe, i hope you feel horrible about it forever

[@willstrickland9952]

Never heard of Overwatch until Marvel Rivals came out

[@IIMiikexDII]

That's the same as saying "I dont play video games" lol. A lot of gamers have never played Overwatch, but someone who hasn't even HEARD of it ain't a gamer my man.

[@ironman1458]

@@IIMiikexDII they probably just play actually good games

[@lollol-u7f]

Only complaint is the performace really. Going from 240+ at all times in ow to sometimes dropping below 100 in marvel just feels terrible in a shooter.

[@VikiP_]

Yeah performance is quite big issue for me also. Easy 160fos on ow and now i have to keep 100fps and sometimes it just drop for no reason to 60fps??

[@baldfelix1841]

marvel rivals is just a casual game that is all they will never care about the optimization much or balancing or visual clarity and such like overwatch does, ive said this since i played the first beta (which i did hit like top 20 in too i played a lot)

[@Yukeena]

Yep. BUT they are working on the game. When I first started playing, I was barely hitting 200 fps, with massive stutters and fps drops, but now I'm averaging around 240fps on MOST maps and the fps drops are less frequent, so thats good. I just wish it was as smooth and responsive as OW....

[@jokered1133]

Yeah the Game used to just run half a frame after exiting a match, and in game it would fluctuate hard during the Beta, this was even worse in the Alpha, I partially blame the devs but I also blame the horrible Engine running most games nowadays UE5, it makes 4090s cry tears of pain.

[@baldfelix1841]

@@jokered1133 ue5 is not at all poorly optimized thats just crazy to say. please tell me what other engine thats not in house you would use for a project using high poly graphics with really intense vfx. you want them to use unity engine? godot? they are just focusing more on making the game look nice than if it can run.

[@GARYtheCANNIBAL]

you know what Freedo... I get it now. I've been watching this channel for years, and I'm not proud to admit that I was in the crowd 6 years ago calling hero bans a stupid idea. I praised role queue because I was tired of people insta locking 3, 4, 5 DPS and hard feeding. but since Marvel Rivals came out, I haven't played a single match of OW2, and I didn't fully grasp why until this video. without role queue or aggressive balancing, I can just play my funny Iron Fist, then switch right to Venom if we need to get beefier, and not have to worry about either of them being gutted by a balance patch... it feels good. I miss when I could pick Genji and actually do meaningful damage. he literally FEELS patched. 3 whole years of lame, wet noodle, 110 per swing dragonblade. not to mention only 6 seconds to make use of that worthless thing. the character's identity is pretty much dead. could you imagine if NetEase put a cap on how many resets Bucky could get with his ult? that'd be such a huge blow to his character identity. but no, they just let the character do what it was designed to do. not the case with Overwatch.

[@DarukaEon]

I absolutely get your second paragraph. I've had so many matches where the enemy team would be pushed up so far into our spawn that my teammates didn't know what to do and old habits from OW1 kicked in where I pick high damage characters and sit inside spawn and hunt for heads to push them back. None of the new players knew how to handle it, so I had to step it up and swap off strategist to pick Hawkeye, Widow, or Hela just to make the enemy team freak out for a bit, then swap back to strategist characters.

[@ninthfriend3347]

I'm more of a tank and support player and I play Psylocke as my only dps like Tracer in Overwatch. She just feels great to play because she feels strong enough where I can make an impact when I execute well enough. Tracer, while still really good in the right hands, doesn't feel fun to play as anymore with all the heavy sustains and how bad DPS feels as a role to play. Tanks feels really great to play even when solo tanking when you play your cooldowns and engagement right and I can say the same for supports. You really gotta be on point with the healings otherwise your teammates just insta dies but you can also contribute with aggressive plays as well! Game feels really good atm. It gives me 2016 - 2018 Overwatch feels.

[@punkypony5165]

I never thought hero bans were stupid in fact I advocated for it and was told it would never work in Overwatch. But I admittedly did praise Role Queue when it first came out like a sheep and I feel bad for that.

[@3takoyakis]

"Aggresive balancing" Yeah thats exactly what RIOT and BLIZZARD often does They wanted it to be balanced but never consider a fun factor out of it

[@3takoyakis]

@punkypony5165 hero ban in overwatch was applied really weird back then where the DEVS decided what to ban LOL Its not the players, its the devs themselves ban certain heroes to decide what meta players should use

[@kingxavierlovely]

Imagine being Punisher and seeing Captain America AND Black Panther role up on you LMAOOO fucking terrifying

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

Pull out the deliverance and pray for a unlimited ammo pod from rocket 😂

[@mannychavez1973]

I do agree that one problem Overwatch suffered from is that they nerfed hero’s or buffed hero’s to the point where they ruined hero/team identity and expression. Balancing for esports was so bad.

[@bloodangel7731]

Exactly. There was zero reason for them to rework heroes like torbjorn and symmetra as well they were fine as they were

[@beeree14]

they literally balanced for casuals. wdym balanced for esports lmao

[@M47H15]

⁠​⁠@@beeree14they actually tried doing both. They tried making all heroes viable while also listening to the complaining casuals. They watered everything down. Do you really think goats meta was a problem in any rank below diamond? It wasn't. So if they didn't care about competitive, they wouldnt have cared so much to implement a role queue.

[@LeSobaMask]

For the final father fucking time. They haven’t and do not balance around esports or high elo. Please. Read the dev blogs where they talk about how they balance. They consistently talk about balancing for ALL ranks which is why the balancing is always iffy. It’s hard to balance for everyone.

[@wesleymango2712]

Yes but the thing about this game is there is very little skill expression as the skill floor and ceiling for many characters is very low (besides maybe spiderman). It's an easy to play game, not much micro which makes it boring imo.

[@MiaSkylar]

Blizzard truly needs a wake up call and have been extremely lucky and confident of no new actual competitors showing up

[@kngaman9]

Well this is the wake up call and the actual competitor. Rivals is gonna take their market share in no time

[@immacat9420]

The sheer amount of vindication I feel as a long time viewer is unreal. I can't imagine how good you must feel mate

[@BooksNelson-bx2bq]

If I was Freedo, it'd drive me nuts to be considered a flip-flopper when I've been saying the same thing for 6-8 years. Even in the 6v6 vs 5v5 debacle, he never advocated for 6v6. Only pointed out that there would be trade offs.

[@3takoyakis]

He is finally snapped after seeing rivals like Imagine being gaslighted for years in overwatch Overwatch community are fkng sucks, they always defending blizzard every their wrongdoing

[@filthycasual8093]

@@3takoyakis Overwatch community? More like the entire BLZ community lol People thought Diablo 4 could win GOTY, and people also thought Shadowlands were great They are morons who have orgasm seeing the BLZ logo

[@Warmag3]

My only complaint with rivals is that bans only exist at high level play. I’m bad, please let me ban iron fist for fuck sake

[@DemonicTutor666]

no because you need to learn and develop the skills needed to deal with the character.

[@Warmag3]

@ that’s not how people work though. I don’t have time in my life to “get good”. I will most likely be in silver/gold forever but I also don’t want to keep bashing my head into a wall.

[@imtykii]

@@Warmag3that is how it works. I barely play and when I do I still do good. When I play I play to learn and have fun. I actually try.

[@imtykii]

@@Warmag3it’s not hard to get better. It don’t take that much time

[@sockinvaders]

Agreed. Iron fist is a menace at low ranks. He's a 1v1 monster.

[@yamchacrater2913]

Overwatch slowly stripped away everything unique about it while not listening to the community. The lore has been reduced to comics. They keep leaning harder and and harder into it being “competitive PVP game” as possible while having the heroes locked behind battle pass until 2024. They got rid of archives and instead pump out hero mastery missions. Endless horrible decisions. Took forever to bring back 6v6 and who knows the future of it

[@MrWizardGG]

Balance is crap in ow. The fact that every battle is a coin flip balance bullet sponge fest is boring af

[@MoonlightBrillance]

Agree.They listened to the whiners too much when it came to balance and now a lot of the individuality has been stripped from hero kits. Fun and creativity will be superior everytime and that's partly why the game feels stale rn. They also ignored the casual lore players by gutting PVE, putting lore in comics like you said and ignoring the people who enjoy the game but may not be the most competitively gifted. So many poor decisions it's baffling, It never should of become a free game.

[@IMXLegedaryBard]

Imma be honest, as a huge fan of Overwatch (the first one) I am really loving Marvel Rivals. Its bringing back the fun I use to have, and with their unique characters, I'm having a lot of fun with DPS than I did in Overwatch. When I tried Overwatch 2, as a Reinhardt main, I found it difficult and just outright chose not to use him. That made me sad, ngl.........I spent literally hours on him, only for him to feel useless in the 5v5 setting. I know they now are entertaining 6v6 again, but I'm no longer interested....which is sad to say

[@CamNewtonFan69]

@@IMXLegedaryBard I relate with you my OW brotheren. Let’s embrace this as a new beginning and be glad to the fun and special moments we experienced. As an 8 year OW feen I’m moving on to rivals. They are giving us players the experience WE want, not what their wallets want

[@Stanky_Foot]

there's a reason the dps queue for ow is like 5x shorter than support. nobody wants to play that role, nothing dies, and you're required to play PERFECTLY to get a pick in high ranked lobbies, and you're not getting that pick if the enemy team plays around you even if your execution is perfect. In Rivals people die to a rogue moon knight ankh you forgot to shoot at for 1 second. You die from a panther that slipped your mind and you get bursted in a second. Overwatch needed a faster TTK, instead they went for "pick rate" balance which led to the most boring times in a hero shooter ever.

[@kaczan3]

Rivals gave me this wonderful feeling of fun and exploration I felt all those years ago with OW1 open beta.

[@CaseyGumball]

I stuck with overwatch through everything, the years of no updates, all my friends telling me the games dead, them never listening to us, the canceled story mode, and then finally they decide to do a 6v6 tear AFTER MARVEL RIVALS RELEASES we have been asking for this back since the beginning of OW2. Its really just too little too late I think I speak for a large majority of the player base when I say that overwatch just left such a bad taste in my mouth and I don’t even want to touch it with a 10ft stick now.

[@neoshenlong]

Have you tried Thor? It feels like Reinhardt but only the fun parts of it. As a Reinhardt main, I've been enjoying it so much.

[@gmvs62]

The only people left funding overwatch are the mercy and kiriko mains.

[@rezaruki3912]

You mean the sfm animator in rule34 that funding within patreon? xD

[@bader1708]

100% agree

[@styregt2006]

Bro I went to play 6v6 a couple days ago and the queue times for supports were about 20 min in comparison to tank and dps being 3/4 min, The r34 of this game carries so much its crazy

[@sinners_nsfw]

​@@rezaruki3912 Not even us nsfw animators give Blizzard any money, at least, most of we don't. We can rip the new skins models and use them for better purposes without paying for them.

[@StormierNik]

"LOOK AT THE KIRIKO GRIPPERS PLEASE BUY" i could not believe they actually posted that.

[@rogerg0120]

I'm a game designer and I usually say a game needs to be just a little bit unbalanced for it to be a lot more fun. Most people will be surprised how little fun actual perfection is.

[@shiramaro]

I realized this in season 14 when they made tanks too tanky

[@DriaRoys]

There is no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit

[@thelonegamer7371]

I also think the ban phase is vital for the health of the game, but i see one problem with it in the future of the game: They're gonna add heros and when the roster gets bigger, there's going to be characters that would get banned sometimes in the past that would just never ever get banned anymore because there's not enough ban picks for people to care about removing them. When the roster reaches 60 for example, and the fantastic 4 becomes the most op for some reason, Hela will almost never get banned and even if she's not top tier at that point, she still dominate certain characters that are going to get played rarely because of that. What i mean is if the roster grows and grows, we are going to need 6 bans to keep things intresting and unique, and eventually 8 at like 5 years from now and so on

[@Takadox]

League of Legends has been doing fine with just 5 bans per team and they have 150+ characters.

[@roychen5235]

The number of bans needed doesn't grow exponentially, though. It grows proportionally. Also, what is the issue? The top players will need to learn a 3rd or 4th character. It's much more fun to grind with like 4 different characters than 1 over and over.

[@ruy_u]

Well I'd I agree with you if LoL didn't exist already. Eventually when you have like 80+ characters, everyone gets 1 ban so there would be 12 bans. It gives you more personal choice and more team choice.

[@yume5338]

I think some attention needs to be payed towards what's actually under the hood here, because it's now been made apparent that many abilities and character movements are literally tied to the framerate, and when the performance of the game itself is so bad most people barely get above 100FPS, it makes them play even worse. This is nigh-unacceptable for me, and until they can get this fixed I won't be playing competitive any time soon.

[@ajl6854]

@@yume5338 you should look into it more. The only thing that makes a little difference so far is Dr strange movement when he flies. The other changes you will not notice unless you’re getting 30fps or lower. If you’re on console and concerned then just switch to console only and done. I play with pc and console and haven’t had any issues with anyone running the lobby with a 4090. With 60fps and up you have nothing to worry about and I’m sure they’ll patch it.

[@yume5338]

@@ajl6854 Even still, it widens the already disadvantageous gap of fremerate and performance even more. Wolverine can literally miss out on entire elims because his combo sometimes doesn't finish them off with lower FPS, even on a curve, not just on 30. Not even mentioning Dr.Strange's portal which tanks everyone except Nasa PCs. In a game like this, game logic NEEDS to be on deltatime. I have faith they'll patch it, but the question is how long will that take.

[@ajl6854]

@ you’ll need to check your facts on Wolverine. That’s at 30 fps, not 60. How long will it take? It’s too soon to know but based on the hype around the game I’d bet on a shorter timeframe. Either way the exact issue you mention is not game breaking and will probably not cause you to lose any games whatsoever. Sucks for those at 30fps but there is always someone with a potato machine and the 30fps hurts more than the benefits of dr strange and Wolverine at high fps will hurt you.

[@phantomflame0658]

There is a difference between 60 and fully unlocked. Strange, Wolverine, Magik (you can see the vid I posted), etc still show noticable differences. Not only that, but movment feels more clunky, wheras fully unlocked it smooth and responsive.

[@ajl6854]

@ there is a difference yes. But not a difference that will win or lose games.

[@BlackMageX15]

Rivals has given every ow1 player a reason to play a hero shooter til 2 am again. Rivals has done everything better than ow2 ever could. Love to be here for it.

[@shinigami1357]

One thing I noticed is that after playing on rivals for a little bit, anytime I try to play and OW match and kind of just get.. exhausted, the game feels slow and dull. I find it difficult to remember as to why I played it so much. Then i remembered it was the only option

[@SamitoFPS]

Great video and you couldn't have been more right about bans, take that victory lap

[@lukaslambs5780]

Honestly I was skeptical at first but you’re absolutely 100% right. The one thing I will say is that goats can definitely work with the right hero releases and teamwork. I can see Wolverine getting run over the way bastion and reaper did when goats was meta.

[@Christoko]

It’s great to hear you be passionate about a game after all these years of being frustrated with OW! I don’t know if rivals will stick around for years to come but I do know I haven’t had fun like this in a while.

[@Keyboard915]

Freedo really revising his own channel's history with his video. He did play a role in defending OW, Blizz, and the Dev team (even if he would admit he was gullible enough to do so at the time) and attacking other entities ("news sites") when he did the same thing at the same time. The guy who played a part in beating a horse to death now wants to champion it's competitor to save his own face and to say he was always right. This post isn't about hero bans yay or nay but the channel's overall false character it presents.

[@concinnus]

Yeah, I stopped watching the channel when the water-carrying for Blizzard got too clearly egregious.

[@Nownadda]

Yea bro he wanted to be the white knight for OW and OW2, but now sees that the players finally have something else to play and now he wants to get on the bandwagon.

[@kijjin9893]

Kinda what he does, remember when he called out the whole community and equated us to flat earthers? He flip flops a lot, and sometimes I think ok it’s gotten better and he will probably stop jabbing at us so I start to watch his stuff again but you know It’s what ever in the end, if he wants to say stuff then let him.

[@Greencut]

I can’t stand this guys self righteous tone in this video « I did this, I gave overwatch my life » chill bro you make videos on KZbin. I’ve been watching this guy from the start but will not be watching any videos of his again.

[@3MrNiceGuy15]

I would recommend you don't watch his channel if that's how you feel

[@myleshungerford7784]

You were right about hero bans. It’s official. Take a bow. Pop the champagne. Years and years of annoying gameplay and bad design decisions all could have been avoided. You’re honestly a lot more patient and forgiving than I would be. I’d be screaming “I told you so” at the top of my lungs and demanding a consulting fee from Blizzard.

[@MECAUT7]

Tbh this was just half season we don't know how good would be hela and Hawkeye without the 20% bonus damage, will see.

[@joeg9003]

Well if you only play because of op characters, you are missing the real fun on the game, even if you are a competitive player

[@BlackZynfyndel]

Tbh I started playing Hela and never even knew the buff existed until this past weekend. So I started learning Squirrel Girl as well JIC the nerf feels that drastic. That’s all you have to really do

[@lockednloaded9867]

We actually know exactly how those heroes will be affected. They will be 20% less OP.

[@MECAUT7]

@@lockednloaded9867 no sh!t, we will see how that's gonna impact on actually gameplay (see if this two heroes still can delete tanks through the heals for example) and not just on paper.

[@michaelburt8890]

My biggest question would be what if overwatch takes from marvel rivals like hero bans, and changes balance philosophy? Do people stick with rivals because they did it first? I think OW has the IP to steal back players if they play their cards right because people love OW just hate the direction

[@joseph2000117]

OW is still decades behind lore and every other thing

[@michaelburt8890]

@ for movies and shows sure. But gaming no. I should’ve specified. People resonate with ow characters in a way I don’t think they could as much with marvel characters. So much so that they would come back if the game was better

[@11Dethrone]

Hero bans is just a bandaid fix for overpowered heros and this guy is clueless. Go play league of legends and youll see why bans dont do anything. Because after a certain period of time you cant ban all the new overpowered heros that come out with only 2 bans

[@GravitypG]

@@11Dethroneleague has 150 characters. Thats a very bad comparison, ill be a long time before we reach that problem.

[@bloodangel7731]

I love ow and it's characters but I definitely hate how the game plays now compared to how it played when I first played it. Its not the same expressive hero shooter it was years ago. I'd say it less expressive overall now as all heroes feel the same which is boring

[@nakahili539]

Best way to balance a game is add buffs to weaker characters rather than nerf strong characters

[@crgolz]

You're not wrong about anything you're saying, but I feel like you're missing Overwatch's biggest failing and Marvel's greatest strength: Players' demand for lore. That's why we wanted a PVE mode; it's the best way to deliver lore to players in a video game. Overwatch dropped the ball on that over and over again, and then Marvel Rivals comes out with literal decades worth of pre-packaged lore about its characters for players to dive into. That's why Marvel Rivals will attract and hold onto the players that Overwatch failed with.

[@kal_delet]

Very true man. The feeling of playing a character you’ve loved for a decade already is unmatched

[@joseph2000117]

good point i waited 8 years for zen lore and it came and went and didnt care at that point

[@kevonbedford4078]

Really good point actually, the Hanzo lore got me into overwatch and I’m currently masters so I got really good. I don’t care much about lore these days in overwatch but I know it’s an important aspect to a lot of gamers. Arcane made me really interested in league of legends cause the lore they have for their characters is amazing

[@gtgangwon]

You nailed it. The main reason I'm hesitant to pick up Rivals is because I love the OW characters so much, and have invested so much time in them, and they game play (which I still like, despite it not being perfect). Blizz made a hero shooter, then (not so much to the fans) quitely turned the volume down on stories behind those heroes.

[@FunTisLife]

One of my favorite things Rivals does is if a skin is connected to an outfit in the comics, they put the exact date and where it came from. Just makes you want to go to the nearest comic book store and buy everything lmao

[@CometdownCat]

NDA musta expired finally lol

[@brotherjin2747]

LOL

[@markkipanga1933]

Lets be honest its not about marvel winning its about ow losing.

[@DaDualityofMan]

Boy switched up so quick 😂

[@giacobers3076]

weren’t you the one praising the “state of overwatch” just a couple of months ago tho?😭

[@ajewishham2076]

You really missed the point bud

[@angelolouis9345]

@@ajewishham2076not really…. He was definitely praising the state of overwatch a few months back. I’m ngl marvel rivals is super fun. But this guy just seems to be hopping on the bandwagon.

[@Shzl47]

@@angelolouis9345 someone can say a game is good and fun and also still believe it could be made better via new systems

[@egorbor5713]

@@angelolouis9345 u get it. Both of the games are good in their own way. We can compare the games but none of the games is better than the other. So many bums calling overwatch trash bc theyre bad and are just riding the hype of marvel rivals. Ofc the game is gna be fun when its brand new…

[@giacobers3076]

@@angelolouis9345 agreed

[@thebigcheese027]

Overwatch balances to have nothing op. Marvel rivals balances by saying if tons of stuff is op, nothing is. It’s so much more dynamic and fun. And in high rank lobbies, I rarely play against oppressive comps with Hawkeye and Hela anyway because everyone knows they’re so good. The game is a breath of fresh air

[@Xeve1211]

Aka the Dota 2 balancing mentality

[@sapitage9905]

Yeah I found myself feeling like every hero was op.. except black widow.

[@BTizzle]

making hero bans exclusive to diamond and up is dumb. league has a whole ban phase from iron up lol. platinum players are oppressive to golds. Golds are oppressive to silvers.

[@luminen4051]

24:48 I miss Eddie and Liam :(

[@dariancastro5575]

Never thought I would see the guy whose channel was all about Overwatch, go on and make a video to confirm Overwatch’s downfall and appreciation for Rivals

[@nathanielenochs1843]

Esports ruins everything

[@Ricepad]

When you balance a game based on competitive play instead of the 98% casual players, which Overwatch was, it ruins the game. Notice how NetEase allows the competitive scene to form itself like Fortnite instead of forcing one.

[@jnw85]

Fgc is doing just fine

[@zoppletee5400]

​@@jnw85 People are delusional and like to cry about things.

[@Ricepad]

@@jnw85 I pray that Project L brings A LOT of players to the fighting games scene. I'm so hyped up for it! Edit: Sorry! 2XKO, I really don't like the name. LOL! I want the fighting games community to put down their differences and controversies aside and succeed. The platformer vs 2D aka "Smash Bros is not a real fighting game" and the SNK vs Capcom vs French Bread vs Arc System Works. DNF Duel and Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising even with free to play died for being "too easy" to pull off combos and specials. The FGC wants higher skill ceiling bigger rewards like ASW's Guilty Gear or Blazblue Series.

[@JT_Unk]

​@@jnw85I love fighting games, but they are the least played genre of competitive gaming. FPS and MOBA games are so much more popular. That said, FGs are the most difficult to play. So, you can argue that the skill required to play at the highest levels proves that eSports/Pro level gameplay is what causes most people to shy away from the commitment needed.

[@MilkshakeGuruTTV]

People have been saying OW2 is dead for a while now and my que times are still just fine so. Not everyone enjoys Third person or the marvel IP so. It will still have its base. Both games will exist side by side just fine. When are you people going to learn the only thing that kills blizzard games is WW3 when the nukes drop. No matter how much people declare them dead they still get millions of players and never die lmao. That being said. I play both. They scratch entirely different itches. And the di** riding for MR while overlooking its glaring issues at launch is wild and hypocritical if you ask me.

[@baldfelix1841]

the game has increased in player since ow1, and ow2 launch people just want to hate to hate the game isnt going anywhere. I still get like 15 minute queue times in the mornings but ow1 i would be getting like a 25 minute ngl

[@pompidoudog]

There are weirdos out there, me for one, who love Mystery Heroes and queue times have never been better. It's really weird. I know matchmaking isn't the best/tightest for MH, but barely waiting keeps me playing because I'm an impatient bastard. The only thing that'll get me to switch would be long queue times. I'm way too old to learn the ins and outs of 40 new heroes at once.

[@baldfelix1841]

@@pompidoudog q times in both games are going to still be quick af, but marvel rivals high elo q times can be multiple hours for some players while ow is like 30 mins at worst times even if your rank 1.

[@dslynx]

I'll be honest, I thought the thumbnail was trolling, but I couldn't agree more to 90% of what you are saying. I'm a casual player and have been having a TON of fun with Marvel Rivals. Reminds me of when I started playing OW1 back in the day. So, OW is dead to me, that's never going to change.

[@RedX916]

It feels good to let go of Overwatch after all the shit they did to screw us players over. Rivals is very fun and comp is awesome. Made it to diamond 3 before the season ended. Started late in comp but I’m looking forward to next season.

[@hudsondo9581]

It is ironic they did talk about buffing storm and wolverine. What Rivals did right about buff/nerfs already is they are seasonal. Hela has 15% damage boost this season, that with her headshot multiplier she's insane. They don't have to nerf Hela just take that 15% away. It's a buff/nerf that is obvious when logging in. I don't need to read pages of buff/nerfs, I just see "Oh Hela or Ironman have a good combos this season, I'll play as them" If I don't log in for a month or two I can come back and see the new season combos and get an idea of who's meta just from that.

[@filthycasual8093]

I think they need to find a place in the game to let us read in-depth information of the skills like on their official website The in-game info is way too thin (yet the one on their HP don't even cover 100%)

[@charaznable8082]

You do realize that people like Fats, Sam, and even you Freedo, have to shoulder some of this blame? So many of you preached and wanted balance, you wanted nerfs, you wanted various forms of changes, make things more competitive, that lead the development teams go all over place. Not to say that Blizzard didn't fumble too, they did, hard at times. But if you guys wanted Overwatch to be over the top.... then literally let them balance the game however they want and not try and be a voice for the game. Let Kiri be busted, let Brig be busted, let the whole roster be a massive mess. Sam is a huge disruptor in this, and Sam should shoulder this as well for wanting all these changes. I'm glad you enjoy Rivals, it's over the top, not balanced and does not have role q. Literally all the shit Overwatch once was, but EVERYONE made it change.

[@YourOverwatch]

Maybe others. NOT ME. Wrong!! I was always the ANTI balance guy and did roll my eyes every Group Up when we discuss a 5M range change on Cassidy for the 10th time. I spent years in OW1 on this point, lost and just gave up debating it but it was in fact my position. Who did I ever call for nerfs or buffs in OW2? That wasn't me Dawg. I didn't like when Sojourn was in every pro game forever but didn't care so much. Don't couple my opinion, which is always unique with a group.

[@johnsonspark171]

All OW needed was HERO BANS, but Blizzard is deathly afraid of no-skill Mercy and Kiriko OTP's. really sad when you think about it

[@ironman1458]

​@@YourOverwatch Damn we always knew you were delusional but not like this.

[@rinka1975]

yesterda i played marvel rivals for the first time and i think today is the first time in many many years that i woke up and the first thing i thought about was a video game we are so back

[@coral250]

this guy has been begging for hero bans for like 6 years i dont think its fair to say he invited this upon ow

[@bonsaibloom]

Guys, Freedo said its over. Turn off the servers 😔

[@austinm223]

I've been *WAITING* for this video. Thank God Freedo said everything we are all thinking. This game is *COOKED* and i'm all for it. Marvel Rivals is the wave!

[@Henbot]

Think the other problem Overwatch had is they tried to make the heroes so different to each other that it made players too reliable on said champions whilst in Rivals you got variants and can transfer skills.

[@tomyrobinson3196]

Right, double jumping is a perfect example of this. Marvel Rivals has 3 heroes who can double jump while Overwatch still only has Genji.

[@bulrog]

​@@tomyrobinson3196 You know double jump is only one of the vertical movement abilities in OW, also Juno can double jump. Heroes all being somewhat the same would kill the fun for a lot of people I think.

[@MurdockMade]

11:35 hilarious 😂😂😂

[@raheem-t8u]

🤣🤣

[@icygoblin7]

Blizzard just didn't realize the only reason ppl played overwatch was because there wasn't a good alternative. Their complacency and arrogance toward their player base can also be attributed to their downfall and absence of their player base. Also 5v5 was a terrible idea.

[@tobiookuma1835]

You're making so many insane assumptions based on a game that hasn't had literally any balance patches to show how they plan to balance. OW1 was the same wild west on launch, before they committed to their shit design philosophy.

[@YourOverwatch]

They've made comments explaining it already. Not going to aggressive balance.

[@dalkay]

@@YourOverwatchHallelujah I love that

[@dakota82]

@@YourOverwatch they say that, until something forces them to.

[@Trash-ramen]

@@YourOverwatchHUGE IF TRUE

[@MsRockNRolla365]

You shilled for years and justified what they did by saying trash like “oh its ok if some heroes are niche, in response to characters being horrible”. Now you see the player shift and you’re trying to get ahead of the pack with this. You still dont understand that Hero Bans would never work in OW because characters like widow NEEDS counters, the problem is the core balance of the characters that YOU applauded as fun. If you were as correct about half of the trash OW has put its playerbase through then you wouldve rebranded and changed your name a long time ago. You get no credit for being an echo chamber of the community and riding the wave of popular sentiment

[@GaymerXL]

Right? He sat here for years saying 5v5 and hard counters were the way and now picks OW apart for it in this video. He just sees that he can ride the view wave. Any respect I had for this channel left with this video.

[@JujuSenju]

You know your game is cooked when 90% of content creators for Overwatch are on this game. Blizzard saw that no game was trying to compete with them so they started ignoring them and adding more cosmetics and stopped on gameplay (No PvE still btw) Im happy this game is doing so well, hopefully Blizzard decides to become a gaming company again

[@sonofsanguinius176]

Overwatch and league share the same thing...when you make the game balanced AF, it gets boring real fast

[@bakinification]

Played ow1 since 2017. Torb main. I also have 1000+ hours in Paladins. Being someone who plays from a different perspective than 99% of everyone else, I can agree marvel rivals is everything I'd want in a hero shooter. Im not here to play CSGO. Im here to live a hero fantasy. Stop destroying hero kits for balance.

[@camcanmakeit]

“different perspective from 99% of everyone else” you just voiced the perspective 90% of the players have

[@bakinification]

@camcanmakeit so you're a Torb main and play Paladins? Just because I come to the same conclusion, doesn't mean I have the same perspective.

[@dalkay]

Yes! I was originally a Bastion main because I just wanted to play a silly and cute character for a few hours on the weekends. I play Jeff for the same reason now. I was always a Gold-Plat player at best so I know I’m not that great but I think opinions like ours are the silent majority when compared to the people who play hours everyday. Great point about CSGO as well.

[@bengalbrown2834]

Missed OW1… played OW2 and couldn’t get into it. Nothing about it grabbed me and I even have friends to play with… Played one game of rivals and was hooked. The game is just fun, so much chaos and once I found Thor I haven’t been able to put the controller down. He’s an absolute menace on the field. Just love picking Strange and beating him to death while he panics and tries to use his shield. I love dashing into their backline and beating a poor Adam Warlock down while he repeatedly jumps while trying to get away. I love being able to bully dps off the high ground and being able to hammer back into the pack for heals after a job well done. Wish more people liked to double tank because it really frees me up to do all these things but I’m getting better at solo tanking.

[@sieg5857]

OW needs to adapt some ideas from Rivals in the way that Rivals adapted ideas from them. 6v6 being the most important.

[@H2KUR3N]

for me, Belive It or not, most valueble Thing Is to HAVE RANDOMS IN VOICE CHAT, Blizzard and their nazi woke policy and silence for everyone

[@ncascini01]

I agree. I feel like marvel Rivals is a love letter to early OW1 (what we all loved). They have added a lot of great ideas and it feels like maybe what OW1 might look like if it was conceptualized in the modem era (like hero synergies and seasonal hero buffs is a genius idea in promoting team comps and shaping what is played for a season without actually changing the hero's base line stats to do it.)

[@rpemulis]

@@ncascini01 speak for yourself, early overwatch was being screamed at by 5 dps for not healing enough while being the only support on the team.

[@fugitive6549]

OW had 6v6.

[@johnsonspark171]

6v6 is out and literally nobody queues for it

[@Thund3rr]

Bro this is the hardest cope I’ve ever heard. I cannot believe you’re spitting this “this is what I wanted and said the entire time”. You are so full of it.

[@Sushi098-m3n]

I had this exact conversation with a friend of mine. I told him about hero bans only for high rank competitive and he disagreed and said it wasn't fair to people who wanted to play only Hela every game. His logic was "As long as the Hela player is having fun then its fair as long as everyone gets to play who they want". I said "until its only you on standby watching the same stagnate game each time. Widowmaker was a great example of holding a whole lobby hostage. No one had fun but them". I didn't want nerfs everywhere because we both played Helldivers 2 and I said "We both know what happens if you nerf everything into the ground and how people get upset." Overwatch died giving into 0.01% of players like Flats, ML7 and so forth and now its a boring COD deathmatch clone to me. Also my credentials vs my friends was 8 years of OW with his being 0 years of any online shooter.

[@gabrielfynsk]

Freedo, don't think you can get away with all the boot-licking you did for Overwatch 2 just because you suggested something SEVEN YEARS ago that has now been implemented in a different game. You were unabashedly arrogant and stubborn in your "objective" (which you repeated several times) opinion about Overwatch 2's balance and trajectory. You were wrong, and frankly I wish you would take a moment to reflect on your own stupidity and self-importance instead of shouting "I WAS RIGHT!!" for 25 minutes.

[@SleepTrip2000]

100%, taking no accountability for the shilling he did as of late comparably to these relatively OLD ideas he had

[@YourOverwatch]

The only ideas I've ever had. What does OLD have to do with it lolol my bad for being right since 2019 and having no control whatsoever smh. I said this thru the entirely of OW1, for years and it's been my stance even more in OW2 with circular balancing and endless format debates. It's always been bans that allow heroes to keep identity. OW needed this since 2019.

[@crumblyburgers]

Eh. Rivals feels too arcady to me. It's not a long term thing in my opinion. It's fun to pick up for a few hours. But beyond that, I get bored.

[@Potato98765]

I also like that characters combat metas instead of balancing. Wolverine is singlehandedly making sure goats doesn't happen. In overwatch they would have to nerf the characters involved to get rid of it but in rivals they have so many unique characters that shut down different play styles and make sure so no mate becomes to strong.

[@benprickett8894]

I like MR but it performs at a worse level in everything I want out of a shooter. Its animations and character movements/shooting being tied to client side framerate is horrible. Its poorly optimized for pc and I get massive fps lags when certain moves such as Stranges portal comes out. It just overall isnt nearly as polished as OW. I personally dont like it being third person but thats my own problem. I also just dont really like any of the tank heroes and as a tank that sucks a lot. None of MR tanks can compete with Sigma, roadhog, Rein, Zarya or Junker Queen. I played a bunch of MR then went back to OW and it felt so much better to play.

[@florentmusset]

Complerly agree. Tanks are so boring (strange, magneto, groot) or dumb (Thor, hulk...). Played ow after few days of MR : ow seems so smooth and fast

[@kavunffs]

I appreciate what was said, but majority of this speaks to the top 3%.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Just play hela until you get there. It's easy.

[@dadhats]

can't wait for more marvel rivals content freedo! I used to watch every your ow vid for YEARS

[@meru_lpz]

hello samito

[@khele2k]

I think Fredo's going to have to create a new channel without the name "Overwatch" in it. I can't even play that game anymore and I've been playing it since 2017.

[@ThisIsRusko]

Haven't touched overwatch since rivals release. Amazing game. So happy that overwatch finally has to realize what they did wrong. Can't wait for the future of rivals

[@bunnygummybear9818]

4:22 that's cope right there

[@Nalters]

Feels like rivals is hosted on some crappy server with how players are always rubberbanding

[@phoenixboyz]

Hero bans is also famous in Dota when come to tournaments, is a great feature

[@zkilla2924]

so tired of this hard comparison of these games. yes, marvel rivals is fun. is it better than overwatch? does it “win?” honestly thats so subjective the question doesnt really matter. for me personally, the games feel so different that rivals doesn’t really scratch the same itch overwatch does and i still play and enjoy both games

[@dn8255]

Is balancing the game necessarily bad though? I think people are still a little blind to the reality of balancing a video game. Its fun now even though its unbalanced because people haven't "solved" the game yet. Goats was around and possible for a long time before it was actually implemented in overwatch. Once it was figured out, it was hard meta. Double shield is another great example of the game being solved, though people figured that one out really quickly. Eventually, people are just gonna play these hard meta heroes/comps to win and get rank even if they aren't as fun. I don't think that overwatch's balance team necessarily tries to balance everything to be "equal" like you're saying. I think if anything, they balance the game to make sure that one meta doesn't remain meta for a long period of time. The game becomes boring if you don't shake things up at least a little bit and tune some heroes to be better if they're underperforming. A lot of the time they clearly over-buff weak heroes and over-nerf strong ones just to shake up the game. Trust me, they are not trying to make everything equal in the slightest. We would never have mauga meta if this was the case.

[@edgardocruz-pagan4107]

I am a former overwatch player who left OW in 2018 to play League of Legends. League introduced me to character bans and a diverse roster of characters and I swear the more I played and climbed the ranks the more I realized how much better of an experience it was to be able to ban something you simply don’t like playing against. I knew it would be difficult for OW to implement this but the way rivals did it with percentages and letting the roll of the dice be determined by those percentages is GENIUS. League of Legends is honestly the GOAT of character based strategy games imo so it’s refreshing to see Hero Shooters take inspiration from it.

[@Nolloway]

Overwatch 2 can't compete with Rivals, only way Blizzard tries to compete is by announcing Overwatch 3. Now with more skin shop pressure and boring crossovers.

[@grindcorebabyxoxo]

Man, I play both games. Avid OW player, 1500+ hours since 2017, sunk about 25 hours into Rivals. They are both fun! I enjoy both; one feels more polished, the other more arcadey. Does it matter which is the king if you enjoy playing video games because they're just fun???

[@MikeChatman]

I haven't played Overwatch since Rivals released lol but tbh my playtime of OW had been decreasing from hours a day to a couple times a week. This is the first time I haven't checked out new content at the start of a new season. You'd think Blizzard would know by now to stop screwing up games to cater to a specific demographic. Oh well. I'd been waiting for something to replace Overwatch, so glad it's a marvel game.

[@_sourpatch]

Ok so you’re a Marvel Rivals rider now, I’m never coming back here

[@HandsomePrat]

I never gave a shit about PvE, I never gave a shit about consistent updates, I never gave a shit about the 6v6 to 5v5 change, I fucked with ow heavy, I played a shit tonne of rivals on launch because of all the “It’s so much better than ow”, but after 10s of hours I realised something. It’s the same game, OW and MR both fail at the same hurdles, there’s a couple MR does better and a couple they fail at. OW has abused their players with false promises, lack of updates etc. promising so much more. OW promised a thousand things and delivered 100, MR promised 100 things and delivered 100 things. My point is, if someone who’s never played either picks up MR or OW in 2025, whichever one they prefer will be 50/50. OW promised shit that would fuck those scales, make it 90/10, 99/1, but they just fucking lied, and this new game with no experience is taking their spot. Blizzard fucked up, and overwatch will drown out. Even if overwatch gets enough updates to be objectively “better” nobody will play because of the history, it will take a miracle for players to remove their warranted prejudice and treat the games as equal. I guess my point is, because of its history, everyone says MR is so much better than OW, but in actual game play, they are very close.

[@3takoyakis]

Overwatch 2 had worse launch than rivals. After three years of hiatus, overwatch delivers very badly and making people mad. Every single decision overwatch 2 took that seemingly benefitting players, are actually only benefitted Blizzard AND making player experience worse And dear god, Microsoft didnt gave a single fucking care about overwatch. They just keep cutting corner everywhere. And itd still work because the community is a fkn masterclass as gaslighter

[@wowitsruss]

Except in my opinion MR hero skill ceiling is far lower than OW. The top 5% widows/tracers are far beyond the 95%. In MR the third person, game design, and hero designs make it much easier to cap that ceiling on roles. This is not a bad thing per se, but this relies more on team performance(ult economy and synergy) rather than individual performance.

[@HandsomePrat]

@@wowitsruss I completely agree with you, that does not contradict my point at all, tracers skill ceiling is like infinite

[@wowitsruss]

@@HandsomePrat I agree with your post also. I was able to pick up marvel and literally get to diamond with one loss(leaver). So the games are similar. I would say MR is like early OW with hero synergy like nano blade, grav/dragon, nano reaper… the difference im thinking is of course the dev teams approach such as not nerfing but rather buffing and seasonal buffs. With overwatch2 it was more focused on each individual character dynamics rather than team synergy and I think marvel will be a pure team based pvp fps game that OW struggled with(due to 12 players and unique hero dynamics). In a season or two I don’t think you will see much solo Que comp on MR (they already have clans as well). Overwatch reputation has been garnished and with the complexity of the game now having 40+ unique characters a new player will not feel welcomed in the game unless they can dedicate several hours.

[@HandsomePrat]

@@wowitsruss yea, I always liked the fact that no matter how shit a team is in OW, a good Zarya/zen/tracer could just flip the odds, that allows people to play by themself so long as they have the self confidence, but in rivals, if your team is shit, you could be the one above all and there’s nothing you can do, the role of team comp in my opinion is too important and to get out of the shit tier in ranked, or really any tier for that matter, you need friends and coordination. I just feel like MR leans too heavy and I just don’t enjoy that aspect, I’ve got one friend who plays actively but no others, solo queue in MR is stomp or get stomped, and I just think that really sucks.

[@joeythejanitor1920]

I started OW from 2016 and my friend started in 2019, he missed the golden days of OW but playing Rivals reminds me of it and we LOVE this game. I don’t think we’re ever going back to OW.

[@King_Gaiseric]

Bad frame-rate can lessen damage dealt & distance achieved with movement abilities & 99.99% of lobbies Mid Plat & above are 2-2-2. There's Damage Boost, Rez, Shields, Invincible Support Ults, Invisibility, One Shot Heroes. I know a lot of OW Vets are purposefully or subconsciously putting up a facade & glazing Marvel Rivals for various reasons; shifting their content, hopes of sponsored streams or procure new audience members, wishful thinking that OW will get it's head out of its ass, maybe just to spite Blizz, etc.. Though it's the same exact game, just in 3rd person & diff IP with the caveat of Marvel Rivals being less mechanically intensive. Same game, different flavor, change of scenery (IP). Makes it fun, I just wish we'd drop the act... Oh, and Marvel Rivals has the exact same shop prices & YZNA is still boosting on ladder.

[@sleepyyapper]

marvel rivals players trying to be not obsessed with talking about overwatch: IMPOSSIBLE

[@TsugMt]

Well, marvel rivals is the first real competition to overwatch in a decade....Chill my dude, let the discussion flow, it's anew game, it's fair for people to discuss these two games, just do it respectfully

[@johnsonspark171]

OW2 players trying not to be butthurt about their deadass game while Marvel Rivals is popping off: IMPOSSIBLE

[@sleepyyapper]

@@TsugMt i do honestly, but everywhere i go theres always the "marvel rivals free or better" comments and they just pmo at this point

[@BotSupportIronValiant]

The fact that you unlock Bans in tournaments and in full diamond+ rank lobbies is such an amazing choice. Who needs balance when you can just get rid of the problem child

[@jatorakoju7237]

Bruh

[@Rizz3n]

Rivals needs to get rid of the seasonal buffs, though. It‘s such a bad mechanic.