YouTube Should Feel Stupid For Banning AdBlock

[@mikitz]

On a personal note, my use of AdBlock is validated by the fact that I never buy any of the crap they're advertising anyway.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

My Adblock plus is working fine, at least for now.

[@loowyatt6463]

Most people who watch the ads don't buy the thing either. That's the whole thing with ads you target a wide range of people and some may actually like their thing. Personally, I think youtube needs to ban things like adblock. The only reason they have so many ads is because so many people are getting the service for free. If you don't want to pay for a service or watch ads for it, just don't use it, it's that simple.

[@PhenomRom]

@@loowyatt6463 that is not how it works

[@loowyatt6463]

@@PhenomRom that's not how what works? Everything I've stated has been stated by youtube in the past

[@off_mah_lawn2074]

A lot of it is just for impressions. Ie: Doing taxes. First thing you think of is probably TurboTax and H&R block. That’s no accident. There are 1000s of tax preparers out there with much cheaper prices.

[@BillGreen206]

I'll stop using KZbin before I'll give up adblock. KZbin isn't worth the trouble.

[@cjay2]

Exactly.

[@lettylunasical4766]

I just ignored the adblock thing and now they've allowed me to start watching videos again.

[@davemiller638]

@@lettylunasical4766 Your Adblock prob got an update to hide better

[@lifegrain6092]

​@@lettylunasical4766your adblock's filter list probably just updated itself

[@captainngoose]

agreed

[@brentarmurderfloof9858]

Don't forget: KZbin also sells your data. Which means even without advertisements, they STILL make buttloads of money.

[@Theguyinthefez]

That money and previous youtube revenue is nowhere sufficient for profit. Even with all the second and third order data wrangling channels, they are still not a profitable enterprise and are burning cash every financial quarter. As long as the law allows, they'll do whatever they can to make a dollar so it shouldn't even be a surprise to you they do that to try to keep afloat.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

they still make money from it. so im going to keep b;locking ads.@@Theguyinthefez

[@TheNightman.]

@@Theguyinthefez gtfo simp. They don't have to do shit "to stay afloat". They have Google backing them for one, whose cash reserves are higher than some countries. Second, they make more than enough money, they just want even more, because corpo greed. They do shit whether or not the law allows it, it's just a matter of getting caught, and against the GDPR they are getting fucked, because they are not allowed to detect adblockers, due to invasion of privacy. They cannot scan your own machine to see what you have

[@games528]

This is pure misinformation, KZbin or Google never sell your data. That would be highly illegal.

[@olemundoaguilar1224]

The more censorship the less valuable data is , less and less videos are options aligned with my views.

[@Linuxdirk]

Instead of “banning adblock” they should think about WHY people are using it.

[@razormc954]

Issue is that requires executives to actually think beyond the next quarter

[@MPG92]

YES!!!!

[@NikosM112]

They won't, because it won't make them more money.

[@KasperskyFan2111]

Yeah I know right yt would be fine if it wasn’t for 15 second ads every 30 seconds

[@crescentmoon256]

update ublock origin, problem solved

[@rajesh1ization410]

I remember those days when KZbin used to show 1 ad in 3-4 videos. Now it's opposite.

[@animerealm22]

I really don't mind KZbin Ads cuz it's a way to support my fav content creators. I don't why but I feel happy whenever Ads play on my fav content creators creators videos.

[@vullord666]

@@animerealm22 except if you want to support your favorite youtubers ads really don’t help. KZbin’s ad policies are grossly unfair and their revenue split is terrible. In many cases videos have ads on them that weren’t put their by the content creator and KZbin has a terrible demonetization system. If you want to support your favorite youtubers, you’d be much better off donating to them directly which is why all advertise third party platforms like patreon and kofi and why even KZbin has acknowledged their revenue sharing system for content creators isn’t enough with channel memberships. Its also why KZbinrs do sponsorships.

[@vullord666]

I remember being able to avoid ads by closing out of a video (at most a few times) and opening it again.

[@MarcusGarveysGhost]

@@vullord666 Still works for me, sometimes after 4 or 5 attempts.

[@npoaccount9154]

​@@animerealm22 Its been proven time and again that ads do not help creators. Youre just wasting your time. Enjoy.

[@michaelkolman8313]

Something KZbin apparently didn’t consider is how important goodwill with your customers can be

[@Sylvershade]

What? The customers are the companies that put out ads. The people watching KZbin are the product. You aren't the customer. You are the merchandise/service KZbin is providing.

[@carmenortiz5294]

@@Sylvershade Heck, I'm even watching Yahoo as an alternative, that says a lot since I hate YT. By the way I am blocked while I'm writing, I appreciate when people type what the video is about since I can't see or hear it.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

Trillion dollar company. Trust me, they considered it along with every other thing they needed to consider. They didn't do this blindly. And people getting shit free from a company considering themselves 'customers' is the whole problem.

[@berrymint6384]

IS not "can be"

[@NLance]

The reason people have adblock is: - Audio/video ads that play automatically - Flashy, bright, moving ads that distract the user from the content of the site - Pop-up ads - Way too many ads riddling the site/videos - Scam and virus loaded ads, no regulation - Ads are boring to watch and unrelated to the watched videos/site If they solve all of this, people will not need adblock. The only reason I have an adblock for the past few years is because of the problems above. There was a point my patience dried up. And I am a very patient person.

[@jaymo7703]

That pretty much sums up what I was going to say. I would highlight the importance of avoiding scam and virus ads. It really isn't safe to surf the internet without an ad blocker.

[@LuigiCotocea]

-Saving Internet Bandwidth!

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

There are 2 type of people accepting ads in youtube the patient people and the moron patient people has limit

[@1495978707]

Wait, you’re saying that people would like to see content related to the site they’re on, not some attempt at reading their mind???

[@diamondheart11]

-p0rnagraphic/ s€xual degenerate ads -ads from brands you will never buy from/ hate/ boycott / have drama or a bad/traumatic experience with.

[@AbdellahPlays]

there are 3 reasons that made me use adblocker 1-disgusting adult content ads 2-video ads plays every sec and you cant even watch a video in peace 3-there no option to control ads

[@trevorwylie5882]

same reason i searched on the internet and i found ad block but im finished with youtube.

[@கோபிசுதாகர்]

​@@trevorwylie5882as you're typing this comment on KZbin😂

[@josiahgames2134]

@@கோபிசுதாகர் cause when the burger place gets my order wrong i go complain to the dry cleaners

[@miquelneutrons]

I remeber triying to use a time machine app, aand an adult game ad appeared!

[@AbdellahPlays]

​​@@miquelneutronsikr im done with this disgusting poor made app and I forgot to mention the "single moms in your area" when I saw that shit I almost break my monitor the only way to keep children safe is by using an adblocker they're already billionaires so why they need people to pay for their subscription they are so greedy

[@007rockford]

KZbin's ad gone to a ridiculous level. They can just show small ad in the corner without disrupting every 30 seconds

[@TemporaryViewerHandle]

I can never watch youtube in our tv with how much ads it has, it makes me want to have my adblocker more.

[@olanneeson3990]

well said

[@FutureAIDev2015]

I would love it if they had a small no-sound ad in the corner of the page, not in the corner of the video! I could ignore it if I want, and I can pay attention and click if I want.

[@-Nickname-]

They could, but then advertisers won't pay as much. Advertisers want their ads all up in your face and will pay top dollar for it. KZbin may piss off their audience, but their income is more important than any of our feelings.

[@FutureAIDev2015]

@@-Nickname- That's really sad. I wonder if there's a way to force them to care...

[@laegume]

Getting a 2min ad for a 30sec video will never not be annoying. Thanks KZbin.

[@RandomGuy..192]

Don't exaggerate

[@laegume]

@@RandomGuy..192 Maybe you've been lucky, but not all of us has that type of luck.

[@a.m.4154]

@@RandomGuy..192 He is not exaggerating. When I still had ads/on my smartphone, sometime around 2015 I experienced this. 30-45 second video with a minute long ad.

[@diazen7927]

I was gonna watch a video of 6 seconds, and youtube show me 2 ads of 10 seconds... I'm not joking

[@low-iq]

i had that before

[@skyesfury8511]

KZbin has consistently increased revenue year over year. Ad blockers are not hurting them. This isn't about money. This is about control. And YT is going to run themselves out of business.

[@Romess1]

I hope they do but honestly that will never happen. They are to big to fail and most importantly they have content monopoly. Perhaps Tiktok or Instagram could compete but I doubt that will be any better. Meta and Bytedance are arguably even more diabolic.

[@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg]

Too big to fail? You know what happened to the banks in 1929 or during the great depression? They were also said to be too big to fail and yes they are still around, but they did fail back then. It is only a matter of time before youtube fails @@Romess1

[@austinhernandez2716]

Wtf does that mean? Just a power grab? Just narcissists wanting more control? No, at the end of the day it is for more profit. That's how capitalism works. It's for increasing profits as much as possible. There's no end to it.

[@jorge_781]

First, acquire a company whose idea you didn't create, for a fraction of its actual value, but which is a lot of money for the creators. Then, operate at low or even negative profit for years to decimate the competition. When you're alone in the market, do as you please and increase your profits, as $20 billion a year is not enough for your profit ambition, even if it means destroying the entire planet.

[@will-vi9pk]

Leave you tube for the mass dopes and foreigners its already set up for them. Start supporting rumble and other platforms.

[@Gnomleif]

I totally agree with this conclusion. For me it was never the ads that were the problem, but the fact that they started getting intrusive to the point where they were making my viewer experience significantly worse. As an example, when I'm on my phone there are websites that are for all intents and purposes unreadable, because there are so many ads that it covers the thing I'm actually trying to read. At that point I'll simply leave, and if it's a site containing info I'm likely to look for somewhat frequently I'll go out of my way to find options without insane amounts of ads. Luckily Europe is currently looking into whether what YT is doing is actually legal, meaning I've avoided the "turn off your adblocker or else" message, but if it pops up at some point I can and will find alternatives.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

"For me it was never the ads that were the problem, but the fact that they started getting intrusive to the point where they were making my viewer experience significantly worse" And why do you feel entitled to have a great viewing experience without paying a penny?

[@Gnomleif]

@@fictitiousnightmares I don't expect a "great" viewing experience, but I do expect the information I visit the website to obtain to actually be at least somewhat easily accessible. As I already mentioned, when I'm on my phone I frequently run into websites that are so full of popups and ads that they are for all intents and purposes unreadable. Literally 80% of my screen is covered by ads, meaning I have to try to scroll through 3 lines at the time and make sure I don't accidentally click on of the ads instead. _THAT'S_ where I start having issues with ads.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

@@Gnomleif Your statement clearly stated your expectation of having a great viewing experience. Now you say you don't expect one. Which is it? As for the whole ad thing. Again, why do you refuse to pay for the service provided to you and that you are using and instead choose to steal the service by bypassing the one monetization method the company has to be compensated for it's expenses of providing you the service? And why do you expect the company to cater to what you believe is the appropriate number of ads and way to display them when you don't even compensate them for their expenses of providing the service to you let alone give them a profit? This isn't about the ads or how they are displayed or how many of them or if you like them or not. This is about people feeling entitled to free shit. You go start a business, then provide the service for free to the world, then just to be compensated for your expenses place ads and then have everyone bypass them and prevent you from being compensated while stealing your service. Then when you try to take any action to prevent it be called greedy and unreasonable. I'm sure you won't have any problem at all with that right? " but I do expect the information I visit the website to obtain to actually be at least somewhat easily accessible" Why? Why do you expect that for FREE? What makes you entitled to that?

[@Gnomleif]

@@fictitiousnightmares First off, I never said I expected to have a great viewing experience. All I said was that excessive ads have made my viewing experience _worse._ That can mean it went from a great experience to an ok experience, but it can also mean it went from an ok experience to an atrocious one. If you're going to assume things and put words in my mouth based on your own fantasies, I highly encourage you to go elsewhere. All right, back on track. Imagine this. You try to read a book. The book has 3 sentences per page that are relevant to the actual story and character development, and the rest is irrelevant drivel, i.e. ads. It turns a 50 page short story into a 1200 page brick, it's tedious to read and lugging that behemoth around gets tiresome. If it was 25 pages of ads or even 50 I would be fine, but over the past decade or so ads have indeed become the 1200 page behemoth I used as an example. "Why? Why do you expect that for FREE? What makes you entitled to that?" Now you're just putting words into my mouth again. I have repeatedly said I don't mind a _moderate amount_ of ads, but when 80% of the website is ads it gets bothersome. Let me try this, then - at the end of the day this is a transaction. The website offer some kind of information that I find valuable, and in exchange for that information they run ads to keep the lights on and pay people. My issue starts when ads make up such a vast portion of the website that whatever value they offer feel like going to this tourist trap restaurant and pay tons of money for what essentially amounts to a single mouthful of food. Some people will happily put up with this. I will go to the restaurant around the corner, where they charge $25 for a decent portion that taste good, and I get a meal that will actually satisfy me. So again, the problem isn't ads in themselves. I fully understand that there is a transaction happening, and that since they offer me value they need to get something back, in the form of having ads that I will watch and potentially click on. The problem, at least for me, is that a lot of websites have turned into tourist trap restaurants that feel like it's ok to charge $300 for an overcooked chicken wing and a singular soggy french fry, and then get upset when people don't like it. KZbin in particular has not only turned into a tourist trap restaurant, but is now trying to use their de facto position as the only game in town to force customers to eat their chicken wing and soggy fry, and like it. Sure, they need to get paid and keep the lights on. However, the transaction is supposed to work both ways, and if the value demanded feels disproportionally large compared to the value offered, people will either go elsewhere or find ways around. Granted, there will always be freeloaders, but to continue the restaurant analogy it comes across as if youtube's solution to the freeloaders is to raise the price to $400, add a mandatory $100 drink, and force you to buy at least one serving. They also seem to forget that just as we're not entitled to a "good," free product, they're not entitled to our time or attention. Like I said, the transaction is supposed to go both ways. Edit: As someone pointed out in another video, Google already has a solution. I was made aware that they run less, and less intrusive ads on certain promoted websites. The ads are smaller and usually off to the side like they were back in the early 00s, and it makes for a much more pleasant experience than the "3 sentences and then an ad that covers the height of a 55 inch 4k screen" model some of the more atrocious websites run. If everyone ran with that, and made sure to scrub their ads to avoid scams and malware (yes, google give me 3-4 scam ads per week on my phone) I would be more than happy to drop my ad blocker. Instead it appears we're moving back toward the popup hell of the mid 00s, which means I will keep my ad blocker and, if push comes to shove, stop using certain websites.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

@@Gnomleif I think you have missed the point of what KZbin has done. They DON'T CARE if you go to another restaurant. If you do then you stop using their resources they pay for and not giving them anything in return. So for your restaurant example. The restaurant now offers a membership and if you pay the membership fee then all food is free. Why do you care if it is a tourist trap any longer when you can just pay for a membership and get everything for free? Back to my original point here. Why do you feel you as a user get to decide how many ads is appropriate and how often they play? Why, instead, do you not just PAY for the service and never worry about the ads? The whole reason companies make the 'free' service of their company a pain in the ass is to get people to pay for the service. If you are not willing to do that, then you can still use the service but be inconvenienced. That is your choice. They provide the option to avoid the inconvenience, you just refuse to take that option. And that would be fine if you were just inconvenienced and crying about it but still using the service as intended. But instead now you go out of your way to bypass the inconvenience, essentially stealing the service as they no longer get any compensation for providing the service. Umm, restaurant analogy. Restaurant has high prices and a couple hour wait time unless you are a member. You refuse to become a member and then sneak in with other parties of people that you aren't with and eat with them but when the bill comes you aren't there to pay and the party you snuck in with doesn't pay either as it wasn't their responsibility. Now the restaurant gets screwed because you felt entitled to free service and free food instead of paying the membership cost to get free food and not be inconvenienced. Again, this has nothing to do with the number of ads. Comparing it to a tourist trap restaurant is missing the whole point. If you are saying you are going to another restaurant, then that is exactly what KZbin wants if you aren't willing to pay for the service. It saves them money. So again, why not just pay for the service? And by pay for the service, I DO NOT mean watch the freaking ads. I mean pull out your wallet and pay for the service and avoid the ads all together. Either the service is worth the price or it isn't. If it isn't and you still want to use it, well then you can be inconvenienced and tough shit, that is your choice. If you decide to bypass the inconvenience AND not pay for the service, then you are just stealing it because you for some reason feel entitled to it and to have it your way even though it isn't your business.

[@dabluflcn]

If the ads weren't so obnoxious, intrusive, and common I wouldn't object to them. I have a standard I won't budge on, if I am forced to watch an ad for something, I will never ever ever purchase that product.

[@cheery-hex]

Agree I don't know how ppl use the internet without adblock. It's nearly impossible

[@rawencrow]

HOPE ALL AD SUPPORTING COMPANIES BANKRUPT REAL QUICK

[@trevorwylie5882]

it is the disgusting and embarrassing ones they show that puts me off. i certainly will never share a youtube video with mates again.

[@pikminfan6778]

I don't purchase any products in the ads. Even when they say "Buy now," because I know they're forcing me to buy it.

[@CaptainCapital8]

Expedia help their members (SHUT UP!) WE KNOW!!!!!! - Vrbo ad.. - Progressive Car insurance will help you! EVONY THE KING'S RETURN! A FAKE GAME!!!! GOLF with Friends! No. I really don't care about these ads... PERIOD!

[@vindi167]

Fun fact: the name "KZbin" was based off of "Tube", a cable TV service, and they made it *YOU*tube because *YOU* choose what you see. The more ads they ad, the less true this name is.

[@xXMartineitorXxI]

Don't give em ideas, they might end up changing their name to Z or some stuff like that

[@Xhepyxopila]

​@@xXMartineitorXxIunless Elon Musk manages to buy Google I doubt it lol 💀

[@AccursedOne5670]

Xtube 💀💀💀

[@ketokeko]

@@AccursedOne5670 😭😭

[@YuyuHakurei]

Lubetube XD

[@TheAuron32]

The issue is not the ads themselves, its the length of them, the fact some are outright scams that violate YT's ToS, the placement etc. its WHY we use AdBlocks that YT need to understand.

[@olanneeson3990]

adblok is particularly toxic .They infect your site 'till you purchase

[@FazeRustyNuts]

YT doesn't owe you that service, you're using and on their platform

[@abyssalserpent3679]

It's downright stupid how ads got out-of-control to the point in which even in short KZbin videos that are less than 15 seconds long, you often get unskippable ads that are longer than the video itself. Like, what the f, KZbin?

[@TheSpadeStealer_98]

One word: Greed.

[@melontheeditor555]

another word: money@@TheSpadeStealer_98

[@diazen7927]

Wait, what? Is that real?

[@matinsasan]

​@@diazen7927 for sure. I passed watching many meme vids just because of the stupid ads being longer than the vids themselves.

[@alexhulea2735]

I suspect it also depends on your region. I used to get unskippable ads (5 seconds, skippable after 6 allegedly) at the start, 10 seconds before the end end and every 3 minutes of the video. And all i got were sports bets and online casinos. Either that or the countdown for the skip button was skewed (i timed some ads with a stopwatch and while it said 6 seconds before being allowed to skip, it was more like 8 and a half), i got 3 or 4 ads in a row and coul only skip one of them. 😢😢

[@ghost-type]

Blocking AdBlock will drive some people away. The thing is some of the ads are so intrusive and long that it's not worth putting up with. Also, as someone said, the ads are for things I have zero interest in. Some of these "ads" even feel like scams.

[@melissaslegallyblindworld]

I have to agree because as a easyadblocker user myself I noticed that it's active on here but NOT WORKING, and I'm getting ads for dating sites like bumble, to anyone who reads this reply I DO NOT FOR THE LOVE OF MERLIN, trust dating apps at all, and here are FRICKEN KZbin advertising them!!!! They are not to be trusted, period. Plus there are some really scammy BS ads I could care less about and I'm here for making fun content, as well as watching fun videos, YT can take their dam a** ads and SHOVE THEM! How is this not sue-able?

[@edition-deluxe]

Oh many are!

[@melissaslegallyblindworld]

@@edition-deluxe oh boy I can understand why the mejority are pissed in this comment section because I'm with y'all I'm just as pissed.

[@melissaslegallyblindworld]

@@camwha5904 ugh that must be hell. I'm getting Bumble ads and I don't trust dating sites/apps in the slightest, very sketchy.

[@quillmaurer6563]

I recall back in the day all they had were banner ads, or occasionally only 5 second ads at the beginning of a few videos. I tolerated that, saw no need for adblock. Apparently KZbin was profitable like that. But then they started getting more intrusive, longer, unskippable, almost every video having multiple ads at the beginning and some several times through the video. I found that to be too annoying, and got adblock. That's their mistake, had they just left ads as tolerable most people wouldn't have gotten adblock in the first place.

[@jeffthekira6668]

One thing I would have liked would be the viewpoint of percieved value. In the Netflix instance, sharing a password with friends was perceived as an extra. As part of the package deal. When a company takes it away and hikes the prices it is seen as a sudden bad deal, highlighting the more negative things that were overshadowed by a good deal. For youtube that means Adblock was seen as part of the package. Most content creators moved to sponsors to help with financing. Now that ads get longer over the years, youtube premium getting more expensive and Adblock being banned it reduces the value the platform has to the user, thus causing outrage over a bad deal. The best practice we see this in, in real life would be shrinkflation. People are more inclined to no longer purchase a product if both prices rise and volume shrinks, than if there was simply a price increase. Overall great video though.

[@noobiehd7523]

The amount of wrong things KZbin is doing is unbelievable

[@500ccRabbit]

Almost makes twitch look good

[@Kennedy1op]

So basically Alphabet Inc.

[@cj-hw3pv]

KZbin has gotten a new CEO, Neal Mohan as of February, hence all the changes

[@nathanielguggenheim5522]

One of them is censoring wrong think.

[@Bixie_nixie]

Wassup harsh

[@eget4144]

I hate YT for demonetising my favorite youtubers years ago. I wont pay to such company

[@raptorzeraora2632]

same, they have no right to do that, same for this terrible anti-adblock feature

[@alitata1908]

how was it ?

[@StalinLovsMsmZioglowfagz]

And censoring free speech in the country they’re based out of. I despise them.

[@Khalith]

If their business cannot survive due to Adblock then their business deserves to be shut down.

[@officialnoonon]

I don't hate the existence of ads, I hate what they present to millions of people. Scammers promoting their stuff in the seemingly most professional way. It's not just random clips, but also static ads. KZbin is not doing enough against bots trying to scam people either, that's unacceptable.

[@catholiccontriversy]

I actually like relevant ads because that's how I discover things I want. My problem is so many are completely irrelevant to me. Manscape, I don't shave body hair. Teamu, don't need what they sell and it seems fishy. Mobile game ads, I play real video games not the trash they promote. Tiktok, I'm not downloading CCP spyware. Intagram, I'm not downloading Mark's spyware. Car insurance, I have an unbeatable deal through work. Mint mobile, maybe but I would need to make sure it's not extra to talk to other networks since my family is Verizon. What I want is movies, th shows, videogames, and happy meals, but I never get those.

[@PeterGriffin-kb2hf]

Ads are complete garbage nowadays that target the dumbest consumer they can find to throw money at a crappy startup. The quality of ads has dropped so low and it’s clearly meant to target children with malware and adware.

[@darthmeticulous6901]

@@catholiccontriversy It really is annoying how many crap ads I get that are scams or things I won’t touch with a 10-ft pole. Every once in a while I’ll get an ad for an upcoming film or a restaurant, and I’ll be relieved, and keep wishing those were 90% of the ads instead of all the crap you mentioned. The one that annoys me the most is the “get rich quick” scams, it’s obvious within 10 seconds just how FOS the ad is.

[@Romess1]

I hate people's dependancy on KZbin and the platform's complete content monopoly. They have 0 competitors so they can impose any policy and revenue split they want and right now they're just testing the limits of how far they can go and determine the threshold. It's fucking disgusting.

[@lasercraft32]

@@catholiccontriversy The irony of getting a TikTok ad on KZbin...

[@mind-of-neo]

It is absurd to me that a corporation even has the ability to detect and stop a program on a person's computer.

[@CS-uc2oh]

This is the real issue but we'll focus on the wrong thing won't we...

[@alice45-fgd-456drt]

Something you open in a browser has the ability to check the extensions for said browser that interact with the website, that's all. This is how extensions work, they interact with the website, and there's no way that wouldn't be noticed by the website itself. It's not more advanced than a website showing up in your own language because your browser is set to that language.

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

You're Neo for crying out loud. They control, you don't. You gave that up, remember? Oh wait! Here comes another advertisement commercial!

[@smurfkebab]

Louis Gussman actually has a video on this, in europe what they're doing isn't neccesarily legal.

[@Veldazandtea]

@@smurfkebab What if the law is the problem whe it's abusive? Maybe doing the "none legal" thing is doing your OWN thing.

[@Draxynnic]

The 'make advertising enjoyable, or at least less annoying' thing really hits home. A few years ago, I was happy to whitelist KZbin - the ads were often a bar at the bottom of your video that you could click away, and the ads that did cut in were usually at places like the start and finish and could be skipped. I'm personally of the opinion that unobtrusive advertising is a good thing for all concerned - it may only be once in a blue moon, but every so often advertising is how I find something I'm glad I found, and in the meantime, it pays for stuff. Problem is that KZbin has increasingly been getting more obtrusive. Unskippable ads of increasing length, multiple ads (the combination of which means I tend to reflexively hit skip on the first if given the chance, even if I might otherwise watch it through, just in case the next is a long unskippable), increasing numbers of ad breaks chopping up the video, and increasing repetition of the same ads that I didn't care about the first dozen times have just crossed the threshold for me. There at least used to be an "I don't like this ad" button, but it didn't seem to do anything... but hey, Google collects enough data that I really wish I could get it through their advertising algorithm that due to my allergies there's just nothing on the KFC menu I can eat. I don't care, I hate it. (Anyone in Australia who sees advertising probably knows what I just referenced.) We had this in the late '90s or so with regular website advertising. Popups, popunders, audio-playing banner ads, and various other intrusive advertising that caused people to get the adblockers of the day to get rid of it. Eventually, the websites and advertising companies started going "please turn off the adblockers, and we promise we'll keep it reasonable"... and it worked. Popups and the like disappeared into the shadier recesses of the Internet, and most people stopped bothering with adblockers because it wasn't worth the effort. Now, though, we seem to be going through that cycle again.

[@sweetsweetkhajoor]

i just don't like that it's shoved in your face, thats why i love ublock origin

[@rustnative202]

well netflix seems to be losing all of the good shows i previously enjoyed on their platform which i would agree is fair criticism

[@Conclusionary]

They used to be the thing that was like the first thing that came to people's mind when they heard about video streaming. I imagine for most people, it isn't anymore.

[@HunterPlays-Games]

and theyre adding shit like cuties that nobody wants

[@vindi167]

my favorite show on Netflix is Hilda. second favorite: we lost our human

[@YoutubeBorkedMyOldHandle_why]

I'm probably not a typical viewer. During the pandemic I tried netflix for about a year, then quit. On the plus side, there is TONS of content presented in a REALLY spiffy way. On the down side, I struggled to find anything even remotely of interest. Almost exclusively blood and gore, or romances, (both of which I really hate) or stuff I've already seen. In fairness, I did find a handful of videos that I enjoyed and hadn't seen before, but I burned through these fairly quickly. Then I found myself spending tons of time just sifting through thousands of thumbnails, desperately trying to find something I'd missed, possibly worth watching. In the end ... it just wasn't worth the effort. So ... comments to the effect that netflix has gone downhill since then, don't exactly inspire me.

[@gladiatorgamer9502]

idk why 200m paying customers still pay for subscription, I wonder do they watch netflix 24/7?

[@maodebo3301]

One thing I hated about ads before using an adblocker was the volume, they were always LOUD , so painful!

[@oldproji]

I mute all ads.

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

By banning adblock they brought it to the forefront of the casual viewer's mind. Casual viewers weren't using it. Now they know about it and might try it. And people who were using it before, are still using it and still aren't watching ads.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

Does it make you feel better making up a situation in your mind that isn't reality so you feel like you are smarter than a Trillion dollar corporation who obviously has done their homework and knows exactly what they are doing and the result of it prior to implementing it?

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

​@@fictitiousnightmares It is 100% fact that all people who were blocking ads before are still blocking them and people who didn't know about it before and now using them. If you think they can do no wrong just because they are rich, I have news for you and you aren't going to like it. Wildly successful corporations make mistakes all the time. Google is constantly making mistakes.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

@@ragefacememeaholic5366 I have news for you. The Trillion dollar corporation doesn't care if you THINK they made a mistake. You believing they made a mistake means nothing to their bottom line. There is a reason they are sitting on the money and you aren't. As to your point, 'some' people who didn't know about them are using them. My point, the corporation who made the decision already expected that outcome along with a ton of others and predicted them all before ever implementing the changes. It is NOT hurting them. This is a PROFITABLE decision from the company's perspective. And your feelings that it is a 'mistake' is just that. Your feelings.

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

@@fictitiousnightmares Making a decision that will lose them money is a mistake though...

[@fictitiousnightmares]

@@ragefacememeaholic5366 Not if it makes them more than they loose or they save more than they loose. There are reasons for business decisions. Just because you lose money in one place doesn't mean it was a bad decision if it is more than made up for in other areas. Do you not think they have lost a crapton of money giving away a free service over the years from the time they started the service before they had millions of users? Was that a bad business decision? LOL Again, there is a reason they are a Trillion dollar company and people who think they are making a mistake are not in charge of Trillion dollar companies.

[@skyfeelan]

one fact he forgot to mention is that, people who use adblocker is less likely to click on ads, so it's barely a loss for google to be not showing ads to them

[@jfwfreo]

Google makes money from KZbin ads based on how many plays they get, not how many people actually click through (can you even click through on a KZbin video ad?)

[@skyfeelan]

@@jfwfreo uh, yes you can? there's a visit site button also what I'm talking about isn't just video ad but also banner ad

[@MissOnana]

@@jfwfreo It's not that simple; think wider scope and longer term. Follow through rate is really REALLY important for ads. Advertisers pay to have these ads shown; they're an investment for the bottom line of a product. By shoving ads down the throats of people who were never going to engage in the first place, they're making the advertisers money have less bang for the buck; making it less effective. Advertisers would much rather have a SMALL group of people who WILL engage with their product see their ads, than a LARGE number of people who WONT engage. Because if its only shown to people who already were not going to engage, it is a literal waste of money. By watering down targeted ads like this they're hurting themselves in the long run by making ads less effect for the people paying for them to be there. Soon enough if it gets too ineffective the advertisers will go elsewhere, and all of a sudden KZbin is making NO money from ads anymore, because they watered down the target group too much.

[@MissOnana]

I was really surprised to not see that in this video, tbh. Showing ads to people who won't follow through is literally throwing away money for NOTHING. If anything it's NEGATIVE money, because they've now turned what could have at SOME POINT been a potential customer into someone who will intentionally and specifically NEVER engage with their product out of spite.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

You obviously have no idea how ad revenue works.

[@GrittyMaholmes]

nahh i coded my own adblock and youtube ain't got nothin on me

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha, maybe you should launch that

[@ashleyshim2078]

Nice😅

[@500ccRabbit]

Based.

[@GalactusOG]

Know what I'm saying?! lol 🧠

[@thomasslone1964]

Im actually working on what op says and it's not that simple, the amount of hoops you have to jump through for bots and bootleg clients these days is ridiculous, I imagine in the future the KZbin client will have a semi daily update with JavaScript checks and secret handshakes, the idea is to make it too expensive and time intensive to keep adblock supported

[@123silverslash]

When the video about ads has 3 unskippable 15+ second ads

[@mind-of-neo]

I can't for the life of me understand how the government (and corporations) have still not learned their prohibition lesson.

[@stefanmadethen5359]

hurt their net worth first

[@fictitiousnightmares]

This is nowhere near the same thing. Education is important...mmmkay?

[@Nimue_Hexadragon]

It's not fair that Google benefits from people's data and then charge people for providing that data.

[@X-999]

We should hold them accountable.

[@Erik24296]

No, they don't charge you for providing your data. They profit from ads OR premium subscriptions. If they can't show you ads they make a killing with due to them (supposedly) being taylored to your interests through your data, they want you to instead pay for what they lose out on.

[@russellmania5349]

@@X-999 The EU might hold them accountable.

[@russellmania5349]

@@Horrorscope.s Nobody agreed to anything and nobody got a notice when they logged into their account of a TOS change. I know that many sites now have to notify you now because of the EU if they are using tracking cookings and collecting your data and you have to agree before you can access the site.

[@alpscraftshack599]

Absolutely Correct! This just goes to show how stupid, greedy, and out of touch with people & reality the people that own / run KZbin actually are.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

Yeah, sure, so you go start a business and pay tons of expenses to provide a service and then allow everyone to use it for free and bypass your one way of monetizing them to pay for the equipment, employees, and expenses to provide that service while entitled children in adult bodies who want everything for free whine and cry and call you greedy. I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all wasting all that money right? Who is out of touch with reality again? I think you may want to look in the mirror.

[@alpscraftshack599]

@@fictitiousnightmares They are better ways for KZbin (and others) to do / use ads than the way that they currently do it. That's why so many people use Ad Blockers.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

@@alpscraftshack599 Don't kid yourself. People aren't using ad blockers because they are doing ads 'wrong' or less than efficiently. They are doing it because they want the service for free and not have to watch ads (which is the monetization method KZbin has to be compensated for their expenses of providing the service to you). In other words, they use ad blockers because they are selfish and don't give a shit about the company. Meanwhile, they all cry and whine about how the company doesn't give a shit about them. LOL And why should they?

[@w-james9277]

I never minded when it was just one skippable ad per video, but when they showed several unskippable adds before and during each video I had to get AdBlock. I wouldn’t be using this platform without it.

[@j.coursol5249]

Yeah but they will force you to remove it otherwise they will disable your Acct which they did to me today.

[@NikosM112]

@@j.coursol5249 did your account get re-enabled again?

[@VIGGOZEALOT]

If you remove the adlocker will YT reinstate your account? I'm a house bound disabled senior yt is sometimes my only "company" for days at a time, and while I hate intrusive ads,I'd hate losing my account more.@@j.coursol5249

[@jimmyfiddlesticks337]

@@j.coursol5249 But your account was created in 2020?

[@kariissmol9172]

Brave Browser.

[@motherchuckair404]

uBlock is too strong for KZbin. They can't bypass the strong community!

[@Finalizor]

lol i am glad it is my adblock of choice

[@schoolruler2]

Google Chrome might not support ublock soon.

[@Finalizor]

@@schoolruler2 i got firefox lol

[@William0271]

KZbin allowed it to exist

[@Nhan_nguyen271]

@@kuldipsoliya7203 yeah, just hope they will not add code to chromium to interfere with ublock as almost all browser are built base on chromium

[@Enderlinkpawnu]

the funny thing is that I dont have an adblocker on right now, and youtube showed me an ad for an Adblocker.

[@nicolozss]

It's just a vicious cycle: lot of ads > adblock > so more ads > so more adblock > ...

[@glint6070]

Reminds me of that speech at the end of Batman Begins

[@shadowninja6689]

Agreed, the Internet is practically unusable without ad blockers these days. Not to mention you basically need to have ad blockers to protect yourself from malware and phishing scams served in malicious ads. I work in I.T., so I've seen both often enough from people who don't use ad blockers.

[@markusTegelane]

uBlock Origin FTW

[@manw3bttcks]

The question is, will YT go to the nuclear option, which is just disabling the accounts of users that stubbornly keep using adblock. I doubt ublock origin can come up with a counteracting code change that YT can't even detect. So they'll know you're circumventing the ads still.

[@j.coursol5249]

@@manw3bttcks It happened to me today I had to remove UBlock because they did disabled my acct and offered me Premium Acct for $13.99/month (Canada). I am so pissed.

[@hereticerik]

I'm one of the programmers writing work arounds for their current adblock, and I will never stop. Watched this video without ads.

[@bootskanchelsis3337]

and I will always support your efforts. thanks to all the people who prevent intrusive advertising !

[@stackflow343]

I've been so conditioned to never click due to shady adscripts in general, that even if I sat through their ads I'll never click one even if I'm actively shopping for the thing they're showing me.

[@lasercraft32]

Honestly I'm less likely to want to buy any product I see an ad for, unless I already liked said product before ever seeing the ads for it.

[@olanneeson3990]

the advertisers probably pay for the amount hits on a site .even if you don't purchase .no loss to the provider .

[@nicholasdean3467]

I'm surprised they haven't shifted the algorithm to KZbinrs telling people to turn off ad blocker. Kind of like how everyone on KZbin says to hit the bell, sub, and like and share. (Sometimes multiple times every video)

[@Always.Smarter]

youtubers ask for subs/engagement because they choose to. there's actually no hard evidence that the algorithm favors videos with more likes/subs, that's just what many tubers believe. they could choose to tell people to turn off adblock, and some do, but that is asking their viewers to have an objectively worse experience, as opposed to liking/subbing which does nothing to harm the experience, and yet still some number of people don't even like being asked to do that. from youtube's perspective, they can't really make the algorithm favor people without adblock because thats something viewers do that has nothing to do with the video/channel itself.

[@The_world_is_not_worthy_of_Him]

a CTA is literally nothing like a video condemning software use lmaooooo

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Nobody really likes ads, so being asked to watch ads isn't exactly going to be appreciated by viewers. I wonder if AI generated stuff will make for more interesting ads and solve this problem.

[@tzarg]

how would that work? wouldn't they have to hand-pick every single video?

[@JLZero]

They would have to turn of demonetization for that, because before demonetization this used to be the case for some creators I watch.

[@PharaohOfTheDamned]

Fun fact, unskippable ads make users not want the product in the first place. Thanks to Hulu, I will never buy a Toyota from the dealership

[@kebek3834]

"Make the add experience so pleasent that people dont even feel the need to use the add block in the first place" This is what they should be striving for, not force the adds on people but make them not so much in your face that you'd want them blocked.

[@christopherm4739]

But then people wouldn't buy Premium. That's why they shove in so many.

[@Usagi2380]

I despise all ads I will never watch an ad ever

[@lasercraft32]

Yeah I don't mind the ads that appear on the sidebar (unless they're straight up inappropriate) its the ads that interrupt the start or middle of a video, and play before even really short videos, that I hate. Even those smaller ad bars that appear at the bottom of the video are preferable to the intrusive unskippable ads.

[@Fongolitus]

I don't pay $100 a month for ripoff over-priced internet service to watch ads.

[@olanneeson3990]

well said

[@sheldonaubut]

One thing that seems to be overlooked is the theft from advertisers that for some people these ads represent. I'm 73 years old, living on a fixed income, and there is almost nothing that any ad represents that I will be willing or able to buy. I do my part on KZbin by always giving thumbs up to worthy videos, making relevant comments very often, and recommending videos and channels to others often. But forcing me to watch ads is really stealing from advertisers as surely as if they walked into their store and stole product.

[@briancrawford8751]

Advertisers contract to get their ad shown on KZbin. I don't see how fulfilling the minimum requirements of a contract is at all equivalent to theft. That's like saying anger is equivalent to assault. It just isn't.

[@crazyabe4571]

@@briancrawford8751 they contract out to have their ad seen by a minimum # of people a minimum # of times, KZbin is going around that by essentially showing the same ad to the same people rapidly and repeatedly so somewhere between tomorrow and next week they'll be able to start milking a new ad contract.

[@kezia8027]

@@briancrawford8751 Theft towards the people who made the advertisement is what I believe OP meant. As in, youtube promised views/clickthroughs but as they will never purchase any of these products, due to irrelevance, youtube promising click-throughs, and then showing the ad to someone who will never clickthrough, is tantamount to stealing (is what I believe OP was saying) I don't think it is stealing, but I do think it is fraud. If you promise clickthroughs, and then serve those ads to people who you can no doubt confirm never click-through then you're just taking the money and giving literally nothing of value (to the company) when they pay for the advertising slot.

[@carbonmonteroy]

@@briancrawford8751 It's poorly explained in the comment but advertisers have been yelling at youtube about this to this effect: advertisers measure the efficacy of their ad with a clickthrough rate. Of any ad, a percentage of users however small clicks through and maybe even buys the product and this is enough to make the cut for a bottom line. But- in order to SHOW you that ad, a miniature auction is held when you open the video. It's for literal pennies at a time but it's a bot auction nonetheless. A user that had adblock before was NEVER EVER EVER going to click that ad, so it makes the company pay something to the tune of a dime for every user for every video, which hurts their bottom line AND their clickthrough rate.

[@ViburaBlanca]

@@briancrawford8751While agree its not equivalent, but if I sell workout wear, and its marketed to a 73 yr old person, it feels like theft.

[@TheTrueGlaukos]

My reason for using adblock goes all the way back to the 2010's when I found out the videos they said werent ad friendly still had ads on them, they just stopped paying the creators.... it hasnt gotten better.

[@craigyerger203]

I hated their search feature and their censorship to begin with. It's only a matter of time before an alternative platform finally develops technology that runs as smooth as what KZbin has. I'm surprised that it has not happened already.

[@trevorwylie5882]

I hate the new format that was brought in after 2015

[@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg]

I hate the new format that was brought in after 2010. and now after all this time I don;t remember what it was@@trevorwylie5882 This is what youtube banks on (i mean Googletube)

[@Luthiart]

It's not so much a software issue, but a bandwidth issue. No fledgling start-up can afford the bandwidth that KZbin has.

[@crazyabe4571]

*an alternative platform finally develops technology that runs as smooth as what KZbin has* P*rnhub has had that for years, the problem is most people don't want to watch memes where they watch their p*rn.

[@Tyranid_Hive_Mind]

​@@crazyabe4571someone watched the bee movie there

[@timer192]

The main problem is that the forced ad time is about 20% (For one hour of watching, you will get about 12 minutes of ads)

[@everythingpony]

My adblock counts how many hours days weeks years it has saved me each year, this year alone it said it has skipped 3 years of ads

[@andyb1653]

They say they want me to watch ads "so my favorite youtubers can get paid", but then they'll turn around and demonetize those same youtubers at the drop of a hat, or for talking about the major issues of the day. Why the hell would I comply with that?

[@Jose0421]

Screw ads Adblock will always stay on. I remember back in 2005 when KZbin first launched there were no ads makes me wish I can go back to that day and age again.

[@jefftank3300]

Back in the mid-2010s, there were some channels in which their videos were getting bombarded with ads. So badly that I did not want to watch their content anymore

[@midnari]

I'm the kind of person that got rid of Netflix when it went up a dollar. Three or four years ago. I'm the kind of person that typed in 'Rumble' when KZbin decided to try to say 'You can't view anymore videos unless you turn adblock off.' I will literally move to a different platform and not look back. The way I see it, less screen time means I'm healthier anyway. Take away the dopamine, and suddenly I'm free.

[@lightning_11]

I've wondered about the ad-block problem for a while. Even if KZbin could get rid of ad-block without making anyone angry, the people who use ad-block are _also_ the people who will completely ignore ads, so Google is just pushing the problem to advertisers.

[@quillmaurer6563]

KZbin doesn't care if people buy the products advertised, they only care that advertisers pay for the ads. Though actually come to think of it, based on your point, especially if they charge on an as-viewed basis, advertisers would probably be willing to pay less if they ban adblock as that means more who see the ads are the same sort who will disregard the ads, or even see the company in question more negatively as a result of the ad.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

Like you said, KZbin doesn't care whether any individual buys a particular advertiser's thing, but they care very much whether advertisers see them as a good platform to buy ads on, and if advertisers are suddenly paying for a whole lot more people to see their ads but getting WORSE results because the influx of new viewers doesn't come with an increase of business, then they're going to be less likely to buy ads on KZbin in the future. Some advertisers (not the platforms that sell the ad space, the individual businesses making the ads and paying for advertising) actually don't mind adblock for precisely this reason.

[@russellmania5349]

@@CatHasOpinions734 Up until recently I thought that just about everyone used adblock, but now realize that their are still tens of millions of people not using adblockers.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

@@russellmania5349 some people primarily watch things like KZbin on their TVs via Roku or whatever software is pre-installed on their smart TV, where adblock isn't really possible. Even on browsers, they're trying to prevent adblock from working, knowing that even if they don't entirely succeed, making it more complicated will increase the number of people who just give up adblock. There have actually been some indications for a while now that Chrome and all browsers that use it as a framework would start complicating the mechanisms that enable most adblockers to function. Last I checked it's still being delayed due to backlash, but still. I know a few concerned people who have switched to Firefox for this reason. Tl:dr, there are a lot of people for whom adblock isn't really feasible, and there are efforts to make it more difficult for the rest of us.

[@olanneeson3990]

advertisers pay to be intrusive

[@George-ps5]

They raised Yt premium from £11.99 to £16.99 💀

[@Ritam_gg]

Bro i am from India it only costs €2 here 💀👍😂

[@George-ps5]

@@Ritam_gg 😮 im not jelly at all (:

[@Naxt366]

for that, you can't turn off YT Short. not accepted

[@TheSpadeStealer_98]

​@@Ritam_ggLucky.

[@vince0147]

​@@Ritam_ggits 2.5 in my

[@nobody7204]

Netflix promoting Big Mouth and making it's 100th season that nobody cares about instead of giving a chance to other animated series:

[@varniitprofessional]

KZbin is slowly going down in terms of its app and site performance but it focuses on alternatives, FOSS apps, revanced, invidious, downloaders and adblockers, shows what is KZbin is all about. I want Microsoft, Yandex, Proton, Mozilla and smaller tech companies to bring KZbin alternative that's like KZbin but not KZbin.

[@mr_ice117]

I don’t mind ads,I really don’t. But when they are being shoved down my throat at every opportunity then I’m pissed

[@samuelphilippa8579]

To add salt to the wound, since the change, I have not gotten a single skippable ad.

[@db4023]

Its not the Ads, Its the overkill of Ads.

[@stefanmadethen5359]

and how they relate to all video topics

[@Kaezlo]

All the while the FBI suggests using adblock...😂

[@weavorjjohanna5619]

The dumbest thing is that : they could have just : lower the ad volume, ban ad that is a blatant scam or violated TOS, and limit 2 ads per video with no double ad But they has to go with the route with most resistances

[@fictitiousnightmares]

As if people wouldn't still use adblockers if they did that. Your solution is no solution at all.

[@tmpwow4282]

​@@fictitiousnightmaresBros soapboxing under every comment

[@kevinwong_2016]

​@tmpwow4282 comments are soap boxes tho🗿

[@weavorjjohanna5619]

​@@fictitiousnightmares - " Your solution is no solution at all." so you want scam and pon ads on youtube ? - lower the volume could potentially make the ads sound like a white noise, which does the opposite of "annoying ads" concept - limit 2 ads per video not only force youtube to give smaller channel a chance to grow because they have to distribute the ad across the platform, but also it's not disruptive, it make more money, not only that, i assume you either just used yt for 3 year or you are 12 because back in the day i only get ads 1 per 3-4 video, it feel more like an inconvenience rather than full on problem, why didn't they just do that, now they just look like greedy bussiness d*ckhead - if you telling people for not using adblock there are 2 possibility ( and both of them will not end well ) + they switch browser that has buldt in adblock because "you don't tell me what to do" + "wait you can block youtube ads ?" ( this is what yt just did and f*cked itself up ) - also... i think you are 12 years-old you come into my comment without any thought provoking comment, you straight up just complaining, you don't offer a solution, you feel the need to say my solution is no solution at all, well it still better than complaining and shitting on other people comment

[@dany_fg]

the problem for the premium subscription platforms (netflix, disney + etc.) is that piracy is way cheaper, easier and faster, just like adblock

[@thiesenf]

The Jolly ROger is waving high in the air!!! YARRRRR!!!

[@EmcSQ]

Ublock Origin is the real AdBlocker, it is also open source, the rest is scam. Btw i'm blocking KZbin ads everywhere. SmartTube for TV. Yt Vanced/Revanced in my phone.

[@yrmuq]

Adguard is also a real and excellent adblocker.

[@gamemasteranthony2756]

What makes their decision even more idiotic is the fact that the tech they were using to block ad-blockers was apparently illegal. This makes sense, as protective firewalls and antivirus programs were also being flagged by the anti-ad-block as well. Definitely more than a bit sus if you use programs that ask you to disable antivirus and firewalls.

[@f0616ch]

The thing is that developers aren't gonna sit down a let it happen, someone will find a way around it then everyone will do his version of that solution

[@zeening]

already been done

[@papasalvo]

I personally started paying for youtube premium because I just don't want ads anymore I mostly listen to stuff using my phone and I started using dnd campaigns as my workout entertainment and the ads were truly incessant. But I'd be willing to pay an extra $5 a month to also not see sponsorship ad breaks anymore either God that'd be truly magical

[@officialnoonon]

KZbin ReVanced has ad as well as sponsor block, but of course only on Android I think. Another recommendation is the video "Why I will NEVER pay for KZbin Premium ever Again!" by Louis Rossmann. It makes a lot of sense you'll see.

[@blakem2902]

@@officialnoonon sponsor block also has a chrome or firefox extension I think

[@Conclusionary]

@@blakem2902 confirmed! I use it.

[@stockonomics1016]

KZbin already gets so much cash from advertising using our data. Why do we pay more for KZbin premium when they already make boat loads of money out of us?

[@MohaaAbdi]

@@stockonomics1016 they use your data to show you ads you’d like

[@cherubin7th]

KZbin doesn't know what they are doing. All this will lead to are undetectable adblockers that simulate running the ads, but the users won't see it. This would make Google's ads statistics useless and destroy their entire value proposition. Now at least they know when someone actually runs the ads.

[@dragongamer5293]

Exactly, if KZbin would only show 5 to 10 second ads, I wouldn't have any problems with KZbin ads.

[@stefanmadethen5359]

and if they were NOT relatable to all video topics would you?

[@darthmeticulous6901]

I’d probably not be too annoyed by ads overall if they weren’t so much louder than the actual videos. I’ve had times where I use a quiet video to lull myself into sleep, then as I’m about to drift away, an ad BLASTS itself on, even though I have my volume on no more than 25%, and stops me from falling asleep because the sudden loud noise startled me. Seriously, what’s the point of even having a volume button if your ads are going to automatically be way louder than the actual video?

[@larrackell]

LITERALLY all we need is non-intrusive ads, ads that don't interrupt the user's experience. But that's too much for them to comprehend. I wouldn't have an adblocker if my experience wasn't made to be so miserable without it. I'd sooner click away from a video than deal with an unskippable ad. For a minute, I was locked out of the player because of the blocker. What did I do? Stopped watching KZbin until the blocker worked again.

[@jefferyandbob3137]

lol you don't even have to wait, just clearing cookies for KZbin fixes it. KZbin really thought they were doing something but all it amounted to was more people using adblock

[@pumirya]

I understand the need for revenue but when you shove commercials in peoples faces every 30 seconds, of course they’re going to want to use an ad blocker and I use them myself. Same thing goes for twitch.

[@rhyami]

I don’t understand why KZbin thinks people will respond well to ad if they cut in during someone’s sentence and are at double the volume of the video a person is watching. I pay for KZbin premium because I don’t want that experience in my life. However, as sponsorship blocks become more and more aggressive, I have begun to think about life without KZbin. I mean, I lived for 40 years without it, so it can definitely be done. :-) the ironic thing for me is that I started using KZbin as a knee-jerk way of escaping heavily laden and blobs where I was originally getting information. I’ve begun to wonder lately if I really want much of the Internet at all. I was happy getting information from Books for most of my life, and this constant barrage of ads and pop-ups don’t even let me complete a thought sometimes. I really need to make a concerted effort to find an ad and pop-up blocker for my iPhone that works well and is easy to use. It’s funny, but writing this post is helping me get clear about some of the little things that have been dragging at me and making me feel cranky online. At least I have a goal now. Thank you.

[@Natej3ds]

Im not here to justify my use of youtube revanced, im here to support those creators that openly are against their "initiative"

[@stefangr1]

The only reason I stopped watching adds on KZbin (by installing an add-blocker) is because half their adds was for scams. I always reported these adds, but it never seemed to result in any action as I kept getting different adds from the same advertisers. Completely inappropriate.

[@mohamedadam5215]

No matter how hard KZbin tries to stop adblockers, there will always be someone who is one step ahead.

[@olanneeson3990]

twisted nonsense . What's it like having a scammers mindset ?

[@Zeik188]

It’s true though. They trying to stop Adblockers, but instead it’s only making them more powerful. Trying to force something on people who don’t want it will NEVER work out. It will always cause things like this to happen.

[@Arterexius]

Absolutely agree and the last point about making ads barely noticeable, is spot on. The best free apps I've used and remember as great free apps, where apps that baked the ads into the user interface and/or functionality of the app. If the app use a blue and silver theme, then a banner ad in this app would use colors that complement the theme. You see the ad and you read it and acknowledge it is an ad, but you don't care, cause it doesn't take you away from using the app or disturbs your focus. And that's really the key. Because in this scenario, the ad still got the attention required, but it didn't gain a negative connotation too. Instead it got a positive, which makes it more likely that the user will actually click on the ad.

[@briancrawford8751]

I can't tell if you're talking about apps or websites or if you even know the difference or if you've even ever owned a desktop computer or a laptop.

[@good_herobrine5246]

The fact that i'm always forced to watch someone idiotic play a game for an unskippable advert just becomes downright stupid.

[@toes.6311]

I remember in the past the ads on youtube were mostly skippable after 5 seconds or just 5 seconds long. Nowadays when they blocked adblocking, I just realized the ads went from tolerable to double 20 seconds unskippable ads. It's literally faster to refresh the page even with my old and slow computer.

[@LuigiCotocea]

On pc i do F5 but luckly i have yt premium!

[@oakladoke8698]

Is this a pc exclusive problem

[@music18021]

The truth is no matter how many ad blockers are out there corporations will still find a way to annoy you on the internet

[@PlayPodOG]

whenever i go to articles for whatever topic. once it opens up with "disable your adblocker" i immediately leave the site.

[@hugojmaia]

I started using adblock at a time when my computer was weak enough that flash ads would actually cause performance issues to browser games. Used to be possible to break the ads by right clicking them and messing with options. Then a WoW ad just had those options removed and it was way more resource intensive than the other ads. That's when I decided I'm not wasting system resources on ads.

[@momgetthecamera981]

idk what kind of adblock they blocked or if they even blocked it yet but I can still seem to watch any video I want without having any ads

[@YosiahW]

I mean, in order for a website to check if you're using an adblocker it has to illegally check your device but nobody wants to talk about that.

[@gravity00x]

this channel is very missleading to say the least. presenting only half truths and forming conclusions from those

[@tabaxikhajit4541]

I just got the push to drop adblock on You Tube and now, within hours, KZbin feels unwatchable. I'm a heterosexual female nurse getting ads to talk to single women and to try out medical treatments that I know to be completely false. It's so infuriating! (edit: I got here by typing "how to stop getting stupid ads on youtube" so if anyone can tell me, I will be very grateful.)

[@riley1733]

I had the Adblock for safari app on my laptop but KZbin completely blocked me from watching videos unless I disabled it so I ended up deleting it. I then proceeded to spend half an hour to an hour looking through my App Store to find an adblocker that would actually work. A lot of them don't work but there's one that's called Adblock Plus and I installed it. Only had it installed for about an hour now but so far, since I've installed it, no ads for me. Try that out if you haven't already.

[@rafaelsodre_eachday]

uBlock Origin.

[@blacknovaentertainment]

You're right about people avoiding ads like the plague... i can still get youtube ad-free on a PC and I listen to a bunch of podcast-style content where the presenter always says "i'm starting a podcast, find me on spotify" or something like that. well, I tried a few times but there I get unskippable ads even though I'm paying for premium so, unfortunately, I will never switch to an objectively worse listening experience even if I like the format more and would prefer to be able to listen while driving. I just really hate ads to the point where I'll go out of my way to avoid companies who partake in intrusive advertising practices so in a way they're better off letting me have ad block...

[@matstick199]

What i hate the most is local ads that just play music for 3 minutes, most people get literally useless ads for products they cant even viably buy

[@quillmaurer6563]

I recall years ago ads were only banner ads on the side, then they occasionally started having one 5 second ad at the beginning of a few videos, which I tolerated. But then they started getting more aggressive with it, now having multiple ads, often unskippable, at the beginning of every video, and often in the middle. That got too annoying, so I got adblock. That's the lesson they missed in the first place - if they'd kept their ads tolerable - as they were earlier on yet KZbin was still profitable - adblock wouldn't have been so popular in the first place. I see this in a lot of industries - they rise to power by being a great user experience, and are profitable. But then they get greedy, worsen the user experience, charge for formerly free services, or raise prices. Customers find work-arounds to get the decent price or service they had before, causing losses for the company versus what they had before. Instead of going back to that - perhaps knowing that's impossible as people will continue the work-around anyway - they clamp down on the work around, like banning ad-blocks, prohibiting password sharing, etc, which further angers and drives away customers. All they can do is dig their hole deeper, impossible to go back, so they need to not do that in the first place. Problem I suspect is that companies are so focused on short-term profitability these days, they know that this will hurt them in the long runs, but if they show a few good quarters the decision-makers get bonuses, then leave to another company, the longer-term decline of the company is not their problem. I've seen this sort of thing in many industries. One example is airline luggage. In the old days, all luggage, checked or carry-on, was free, up to a certain limit (50lb or something). Then airlines started charging for checked luggage. Passengers responded by carrying-on bigger suitcases, which filled overhead bins and slowed the loading/unloading process, more than offsetting the money they were making by the checked bag fees. With a few exceptions (Southwest), most responded not by making checked luggage free again, but instead by charging for carryons as well, and placing far stricter limits on what could be carried on. Or, I've heard a few times, they ban low-prestige passengers (basic economy without loyalty credit, whatever elitist nonsense airlines do) from bringing carryons at all. But it's also true that even if they did make checked luggage free again, many people would carry theirs on anyway as, having done so initially due to checked-luggage fees, many found that to be faster and more convenient anyway, so airlines can't go back. Another example is university textbook companies. For a long time everyone bought textbooks, they were expensive but not unreasonable. But companies got greedy, raised prices. Combined with rising education costs, students sought work-arounds. Using old used editions - companies started releasing new editions that had no real educational justification. Many students found work-arounds to that, for example in one class I had an old edition for reference and took photos of the homework problems (the only part that was changed) out of a classmate's current edition. Some teachers would even go along with this and design their class so that old editions are okay. In other cases, students would pirate them, handing around PDFs was a normal part of the start of every semester. So textbook companies started having bundled online homework - this was less bypassable but so unpopular with students that I suspect most professors don't assign that anymore.

[@GaretZaugg]

As someone paying for KZbin Premium who also owns a decent amount of Alphabet stock, I find the AdBlock ban to be shortsighted and boneheaded.

[@rafaelsodre_eachday]

Oh, so you are one of them...

[@faashun]

@@rafaelsodre_eachday?

[@broughtonparkade5381]

Lately, KZbin has their coding set up so that I get a blank screen for the ad and the skip button appears- I can accept THAT! I just hate being forced to watch the ad. You can HAVE the time for the ad long as I can chose not to see it.

[@ken_danerdiest1]

The staff of KZbin already felt stupid for what they did. All they like to ask for is money to satisfy themselves.

[@trevorwylie5882]

happens in cases of on the verge of bankruptcy

[@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg]

No they mine our private data to sell. if that were the case they'd be out of the business years ago @@trevorwylie5882

[@ken_danerdiest1]

@@trevorwylie5882 And everyone of those greedy bastards will be out on the streets begging for a piece of bread.

[@UltimaHolyFlare]

I use Adblockers because w/o it it, there is-- 1. One or two ads before a video, some unblockable. Why watch 30 seconds of ads just to see a 15 second clip? 2. Getting interrupted to an ad while in mid-sentence in a discussion video. Imagine having a serious conversation with a friend and you get interrupted by a salesperson that takes you upwards of 15 seconds to shoo away? (Some of these breaks are two full ads now too). 3.. Content creators are also pushing heavy advertising to us, making 2 minute ad sponsor pitches and begging us constantly to like, share, subscribe, and hit that notification bell (or worse, showing us how to do it like we have never used the internet before). I will not buy your Hello Fresh, your Raid Shadow Legends or your VPN services. Google somehow still finds ways to mine our data. They don't share the profits from my data with me, so blocking their stupid ads is just an even-up-the-score thing. PS: There ARE some Adblocker browsers that are still working. KZbin got the one I used blocked for a day but then the adblocker browser is working fine again. I simply don't log in my account into. i know what I want to watch.

[@mercce6750]

KZbin blocking Adblock programs is literally just the digital version of hostile architecture. They would rather spend their time and effort on anti-consumer (or in the case of HA anti-homeless) countermeasures, rather than solving what is causing the users to do it in the first place.

[@there-s6v]

Creating problems and selling solutions, that's how KZbin works.

[@oosha2000]

I agree with you about the last point. I wouldn't mind one ad showing up at the beginning or the end of the video but not at the middle otherwise it's too intrusive. Also, can the premium stop popping up every time ? On yt, it kept popping up every day. On revanced extended, it pops up only once a week but come on, they should let me toggle it to disable the pop-up.

[@matt7253]

Problem is you can avoid if thats the case, they want to maximize revenue and get you to click

[@darrylmars]

The ads now on youtube every few minutes are horrible. On the verge of never watching it at all.

[@williamgeardener2509]

Easy fix. Use an adblocker and delete all cookies from KZbin and Google. You have to delete the cookies every 2 days. But that's a 60 second procedure and you'll be free of the annoying ads.

[@oppaidaisuki920]

The part about ads that really irks me is that they suddenly show up right in the middle of a vid. You peacefully enjoying a vid and then bam, here's an ad. That really reduces the enjoyment a viewer gets from watching a vid. I don't mind ads as long as they aren't so long and unskippable and are present at the start of the video and won't show up afterwards.

[@armaosk]

Damn right we are going to get mad! I have been using KZbin for 15 years, have dozens of playlists and it's the website I use the most. I can do that because of adblock. If Google forces us to turn off adblock in youtube, I'm leaving youtube, as simple as that.

[@number3766]

Considering KZbin's constant demonitization and selective policy enforcement.....youtube's being a real youtube right now

[@SreejithKSGupta]

From 5 second skippable ads to 2x30 second unskippable ones..

[@yoyoprofessorxavier]

Simple reasons for me really. I don't have time or care for the ads. They get in the way of the actual content I want to view. They are making enough money already through ads. Before they were stopping videos in front of me, they were simply on the side or above my video. And that was actually fine with me. Also if it was for ongoing FOOD deals, those actually did pop out to me. Just not the same anymore.

[@j.mattlakes7792]

yeah KZbin should feel stupid for banning it, especially because of those advertisements where people say non-family-friendly things

[@coryjamieson3171]

It's just really sad that KZbin is banning ad blockers now. Before KZbin didn't give a crap about us using ad blocks and now they do. I don't like the changes KZbin is doing man. 😤

[@kevkuehnertskuelerkuehlschrank]

i didnt even notice that they blocked adblock

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Yeah, mine is working fine, don't know for how long.

[@ccgm_harpy]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Using Ublock, just stopped working for me today.