Youtuber Charged $3 To See 11-Year Olds Autopsy Photos, The "Barbie Problem", Logan Paul, John Green

[@vlogbrothers]

We haven't talked in a while, but God I love you, Phil. Thank you so much for covering this. -John

[@elizabethmoore4676]

❤

[@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy]

The man, the legend

[@butchblaster7073]

Hey man, low chance you see this, but your guys' channels have influenced so much of my education through the years and it would be incredibly hard to express how thankful I am to you guys. I wish you guys the absolute best.

[@Zultzify]

love ya john, i have many great memories with your books and yours and hanks content. much love to the two of you.

[@atriskeel5427]

❤❤

[@clownsoftheearth]

Okay. Lets pretend the "10 seconds" thing isnt completely insane. HE PULLED DOWN HER PANTS. This wasnt some creepy guy "brushing" against someone, or grabbing them over their clothes. HE PULLED DOWN HER PANTS.

[@MilkshakeGuruTTV]

Yeah...like it still doesn't add up at all. It's insane.

[@LeonieJMerry]

Wasn't he also a janitor in a school setting, and his victim was a student? No adult, regardless of their job title, should EVER lay hands on a student in an educational establishment. I don't care if it was for half a second, or half an hour.

[@NeoFryBoy]

The judge said it clearly was just a joke and not about "lust". Actually insane.

[@n4z1f4]

​@@NeoFryBoy by the judge's logic, if someone st*bed someone else to death, as a "joke", it's not murder.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

The worst part is the guy admitted to it. The gross bastard admitted to it and nothing is going to be done. My heart breaks for that girl and I hope that maybe this can be taken to another judge who doesn't protect predators.

[@nadiyaakm]

I have so much gratitude for John Green and him bringing awareness to this. I lost my favourite aunt a couple of years ago to TB. She lived in a third world county where medication to help her wasn’t assessable, nor affordable… i don’t wish any other family to go through the hardship of not having easy access to medication that could save someone’s life

[@paigehutchinson6777]

As someone who has worked w donor bodies in a scientific way, it is most certainly not in a detached way. There is huge emphasis placed on respect, gratitude, and humanity

[@chloedsmith]

Not sure how that person thinks you can look at a child's autopsy photos in a "detached way" for entertainment, when actual experts and people for whom it's their actual job, suffer from trauma and generally have a higher incidence of emotional distress as a result of the job. Like, way to out yourself and your patrons as psychopaths

[@blackfish5139]

@@chloedsmith i agree with you but, but at the same time true crime doc's show autopsy photos all the time and they make millions form those "doc's"

[@galaxychar]

@@blackfish5139do they show them of children..???

[@conormurphy4328]

@@galaxycharyep, boy in a box is the first that comes to mind.

[@chloedsmith]

@@blackfish5139 yeah, and I think people who enjoy watching actual gruesome photos of dead bodies are weird to the nth degree. People who work with dead bodies generally show more respect and dignity to the bodies they work with, nothing I said is precluding those true crime docs from being just as gross.

[@chamberlainquench2484]

John Green is truly some of the best humanity has to offer

[@driverjayne]

DFTBA!

[@RhombusOfTheJ]

Aye! And a great author at that!

[@Pysslis]

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[@RhombusOfTheJ]

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[@CelesteMinerva]

He and his brother are the type of humans I want to be. They care so much for everyday people and not in some money grubbing way but because they WANT to help others.

[@eveeAndO]

As a woman... if someone accidentally brushes your breast, You feel it. It feels weird. Sometimes you feel violated. And that's something that happened for less than a second. Trying to imagine 10 seconds of someone groping you??!!! If someone did that to my daughter... it's endgame for them.

[@Danni.Enchanted]

The "10 seconds don't count" is insane. It's already difficult enough for the victims to speak up and judges like that just make it so worse, its just depressing.

[@zwenkwiel816]

taking the 10 second rule to a whole new level....

[@AleTitan]

I hope someone violates that judge until he's a sobbing mess. Because you know damn well he has done it to other people and he has caused so much trauma with his actions in his personal life and at work

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Imagine if they said that for every crime? Well, they shot you in under 10 seconds, so it's not murder.

[@tannerbryan1890]

Exactly, it’s not like he accidentally touched her. He pulled her pants down first.

[@MekareP]

​@@FrackMeister that's the most disgusting thing I've read in a while. Wtf kind of wish is that? His kids and wife??? Wtf. They're not the ones who did that.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

The studios actually said that they were going to wait the Writers out, and that they would "Run out of money eventually" and they would come back, begging to write again. I'm glad the actors joined them.

[@LadyAurian]

Which just goes to show how much money they actually have, since they feel it'd be cheaper to starve out their writers than lower their profit margins by a tiny amount. I really hope this whole thing can change the trend of unions in the US, make more people realize how important it is.

[@marbles9176]

Thank you for talking about Gannon’s case. I was following the case back when he went missing and it’s absolutely disgusting how his photos are being distributed. Children deserve protection even after they leave this world.

[@jackiep594]

It’s literally insane, I am a psychologist, and I have to make plans to have a trusted retainer protect my clients information in the event that I or they die. And yet someone can slip a few bucks and throw a child corpse all over the Internet?! there are laws that protect my clients from me, and anyone who can review the information. How dare they not extend that same courtesy to the human body? Especially a minor.

[@matterking1]

That judge is definitely a sexual predator protecting his own. Get him out of there.

[@Barribam]

And into a burning pit of fire. 🔥👨‍🚒

[@charlieseen]

Yeah, anyone whose response to assault is to make up a 10-second rule should not be trusted. He's either committed assault or knows someone who has

[@lilianagonzalez506]

Needs investigated for sure. He’s a disgusting pig

[@timg2655]

Seriously wtf! Absolutely absurd

[@mintedmedic]

Yeah whats he gonna pass next, make it not murder if the bullet stays in for less than ten seconds?

[@rcallsings]

I'm so happy that John Green did it!!!! I've been following him and naturally also his fight to end TB, and I'm so excited that he was able to win this part of the fight!

[@enelezed454]

DFTBA! If we all pay attention, and do our part we can help end TB! ❤!

[@HouseMDaddict]

"I get $27 million a year, but the writers wanting to keep a roof over their head and buy food in return for keeping me able to receive $27 million/year is asking too much" -Bob 🙄.

[@maidbymaid9838]

Honestly screenwriters in Hollywood are vastly underappreciated, they literally wrote the words that made all those actors famous

[@HouseMDaddict]

@@maidbymaid9838 precisely. I think people forget that it's not the directors and producers (sometimes not the creators either) writing on the shows and the movies after the initial episodes/seasons, but the vast crew of writers that work tirelessly to continue to juggle multiple plots in a movie or tv show and try to keep the audience engaged for sometimes years of a TV series or for the entire three hours of a movie or sequel. The situation with Squid Game and Netflix is one of the most disgusting recent stories of companies taking advantage of writers/creators.

[@jamescanjuggle]

idk about you but bob seems like a bit of a dick

[@Dashierez]

I mean, the writers make an average of 260k a year...they aren't doing That bad considering the average regular person salary is under 60k. Just because the whole industry is bloated doesn't mean that people on the lower end deserve more because others are obscenely worse...the whole deal of wages deserves to be cut exponentially from the top down and just be gone, not redistributed to the others...just gone leaving the costs we have to pay as a result being the real amount they should've been all along.

[@LadyAurian]

I love that the judge in Italy also confirmed that pulling down pieces of clothing can't really ever be SH, unless it's done in slow motion for some bizarre reason. Nice to know that any creep can just expose your body at will and stare and be safe that hey, they are not touching you for more than 10 seconds. I'm sure that'll be a great comfort to the population of Italy.

[@DecimatorPrime]

Someone should do it to their PM on Camera - during a press conference. I bet that law would change real fast after they arrest him and he gets off scott free.

[@SigDanumVid]

Italy is not a Common Law country, so the precedent is not binding for future deliberation on the law. The law itself is not a problem, it was the bizzarre decision of the judges to interpret it in this obscure way.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

as Phil said that judge should be investigated

[@SigDanumVid]

@@theoutsiderjess1869 multiple judges. It wasn't a single judge

[@janemiettinen5176]

The sad Berlusconi-like machismo is trying to claw back in favor, I feel. And as a friend of someone who got pretty much raped in just few seconds, by a stranger in a bar, visible to everybody.. I really dont wanna tell her that in Italy that wouldnt count, the pain, anger & suffering is the same as if it lasted 11 seconds. If its not on video, who has a timer running? Whose account of time we should believe? Opening a girls bikini doesnt take much time, do we time the action or how long the humiliation lasted? I got all kinds of questions, none makes actual sense :(

[@truebornseeker9767]

Imagine if the “10 second rule” applied to any other crime I was only stabbed for 10 seconds, so it’s not a murder It only took them 10 seconds to steal from me, so it’s not theft They only beat me for 10 seconds, so it’s not assault That’s the most insane shit I’ve *ever* heard, that judge needs to be *heavily* looked into

[@robertdraper5782]

In the UK just putting hands on is an assault

[@satisfied656]

Sounds like endless possibilities

[@vanillali67]

Immediately where my brain went lol like *shanks a dude* "the knife only connected for a second so it doesn't count as assualt with a deadly weapon right....." totally sound logic

[@Neselman21]

Naw I think it’s a good rule. Too many women make shit up and lie or even just say it’s SA because they regret doing it. Maybe women will think 2ce before making false allegations now

[@mekullag]

it does probably exist for deprivation of liberty. Someone holding a door shut for 10 seconds through which you‘re trying to exit will probably not lead to a conviction

[@jillie-rie]

i’ve been in the true crime community as a viewer for years and there’s never a need for content creators to include autopsy photos in videos or anything, EVER. people can easily look these things up for themselves if they really want to see so we don’t need to circulate the photos further. creators have said all the time which sites will have autopsy photos. i think those sites are where the photos need to stay “locked up” in one corner of the internet that’s accessible if necessary but won’t plaster the photos where unsuspecting victims’ families could see.

[@MegCazalet]

Extremely well-said. Thank you.

[@frankm.2850]

Agreed. Especially when it comes to crimes against children. If you really need to see that stuff you should have your head examined.

[@theexaustedslime]

Out of curiosity, why are autopsy photos publicly availabile in the first place? I get having reference material available, but being able to link photos to specific situations seems weirdly open for a criminal investigation in a culture that is pretty death negative.

[@Kefka2010]

​@theexaustedslime I think everyone would like to respect the victim but there are a lot of situations where the government might say someone died of X and if you pulled the autopsy information it would show it was due to Y. Say someone died in police custody and they say it was due to natural caused but the autopsy shows blunt force trauma and the pictures show they were beaten to death. I can see a strong point as to why you wouldn't want the government to be able to lock away information. Some places will say a victim family's privacy outweighs all but a lot of other groups will fight this. I can see this being a difficult topic but I think both sides raise valid concerns.

[@Kefka2010]

​@@theexaustedslimeEnd of the day many groups will argue that limiting the autopsy information of children will harm transparency of child abuse while under State care.

[@EpicToastur]

The dismissive attitude of that judge who claimed that "10 seconds doesn't count" is absolutely disgusting. It adds another layer of difficulty for victims to find justice and heal from their trauma. They should have been immediately removed from the courts.

[@LordBummingtonThe3rd]

Nah that judge isn't dismissive, he's 100% a creep himself.

[@darkmantlestudios]

​@@LordBummingtonThe3rdhope someone grabs his ass for 9 seconds every day

[@maxwellkelly4667]

Fr, 10 seconds is an insanely long time to get groped for.

[@emmaobrien1376]

I really think that judge wouldn't be consistent if some large, imposing, threatening man decided to grope him for less than 10 seconds. 😒

[@mcbean1]

so how many seconds should count then?

[@MushroomMayhem]

What the hell?? 10 seconds is an ETERNITY. Absolutely, assault is assault! This judge should be investigated, sounds like they're excusing their own past behavior.

[@SoulStealerSlayers]

My boyfriend and I are both in the theatre industry. I’m primarily a writer, and he’s primarily an actor. Though film is different from theatre, we’ve both felt the horrid change of the arts due to such disgusting forces of greed. My heart leaps to everyone on strike, and I hope that those companies will finally get off their mounds of bs and finally start treating artists like humans.

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

I had TB as a child, and my poor mother struggled for years to get a diagnosis! It was a pain I wouldn’t wish on any family, and medications that end pandemics like Ebola, TB, and Malaria shouldn’t be behind a paywall!

[@tearainey1]

Capitalism babyyy (sarcasm, I agree with you)

[@Xeonort]

Honestly, pharmaceuticals in general shouldn’t be behind a paywall. A healthy population lends itself to a healthy economy, and a healthy economy is good for everyone involved. We need to stop putting dollars over lives.

[@IVIUT3D]

​@@Xeonorton top of that our tax dollars pay for the research, the government gives large stipens to these companys who then sell the fruits of the research back to us.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

Should be absolutely criminal for these companys to kill people for profit... seriously wtf.

[@TinySatan]

She really said “sorry you feel that way 🤓 some of us find it interesting not sad!” TO THE KIDS DAD WHAT

[@BankruptGreek]

but that's how the medical field works, we are not to the point where the medical field works with willing families/subjects. If a family member of yours dies in the hospital they could have been seen by tens of medical students and the doctor might take them through the case of your family member as an educational showcase, they might even be present in a surgery and such

[@Zeithri]

@@BankruptGreek *Doctors* Not KZbinrs.

[@LoreBeast]

@@BankruptGreek Yah but they are required to get consent first.

[@cottonhxney]

@@BankruptGreek You’re missing the entire catch that SHE’S A KZbinR, NOT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD. Not only that, as a med student myself, we are ALWAYS taught that these bodies, “specimens”,” are and were people with loved ones and we CANNOT allow ourselves to be detached from the reality that we deal with people. Additionally, those that are used in educational situations have to be explicitly released by themselves or the family of the deceased. She hunted and requested for those images herself and indifferently, coldly, addressed the victim’s family. Your comment is irrelevant because she is not a medical student or professional - just a KZbinr who wanted to have ‘exclusive content’ that no other crime KZbinrs would have and profit off of it.

[@rinabobina9905]

@@BankruptGreekFor anyone living or dead to be used for medical educational purposes there needs to be EXPLICIT permission from the individual or their family first. Like, pretty much across the board.

[@yaggydigital133]

I think it's time we said goodbye to big studios and made way for independent creators with fresh ideas. Crowdfunding has made that possible in some cases. The most successful movie franchises had humble beginnings with relatively small budgets, so it's not impossible.

[@ItBeMeSara]

Thanks for shouting out John and the huge win for Stop TB! John has been talking about ending TB with a passion for almost a year now and we, Nerdfighters, were happy to spread the message. One step closer to TB being eliminated!

[@LemonDawn1]

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[@elizabethmoore4676]

DFTBA!

[@spending2much]

😂

[@shinigami052]

Just ban lobbyists straight up. If someone wants to submit testimony they can do so in writing or do so in person during a session of congress/senate and it can be submitted to the library of congress and maintained as public record. No one in congress, senate, supreme court, or in the executive branch should be meeting with lobbyists or special interest groups behind closed doors.

[@onewomanarmy6451]

Hear hear!!

[@Nomusicincluded]

You are saying two things "Ban lobbyists" and "Ban meetings with lobbyists behind closed doors" I'm not 100% sure about how lobbyists function in the US, but here in the EU, lobbyists are generally submitting position papers and expert feedback to represent a part of society (and they are all open to the public). I think in the US it isn't so much the lobbying that is the problem but the part where people can donate to politicians, *cough* bribe *cough*. If I write a paper with the input of experts in their field and submit it, I would be a lobbyist and you would stand against that. Would you prefer that politicians make their decisions informed by groups of experts that they have chosen based on their own ideologies? Or do you have another suggestion? Maybe the best solution is for everyone to lobby for their sector in written format using scientific evidence instead of trying to use emotionally manipulating messaging, and of course, stop allowing people to bribe politicians.

[@shinigami052]

@@Nomusicincluded Basically look at all the stuff that's going on with Judge Thomas. All that money/gifts he's getting are a form of lobbying. I didn't say you couldn't submit testimony to advance your cause, in fact that's the ONLY way I want people to be able to communicate with elected officials. IDC if you're for a cause I support or not, you shouldn't be able to talk to an elected official "off the books", give gifts of any kind, or make any kind of quid pro quo arrangements. Look at how many "retired" politicians end up working for companies that they pass legislation to help bolster. The US also needs to take a page from the UK's book and not allow campaigning or campaign donations, everyone has a set amount and that's all you get to campaign and shit.

[@Yessiree3]

@@Nomusicincludedyes. Phil was literally saying in this video that not all lobbying is done by lobbyists and there are even exceptions to that rule. The definition of the word and the way it’s used colloquially differ.

[@trentbresler3179]

​@@NomusicincludedLobbyist here in the US Are not so much experts in their field as much as they are well connected. It is why you see so many lawmakers go into the business of lobbing after office. You Gave an example of if you write a paper using experts, experts, then you would be considered a lobbyist in the EU, here it would be if you Wrote a paper then gave money to the professors SO to turn it in for you. Not only that, but many times here. You also have the lobbyists writing the actual law.

[@Nicole-xd1uj]

I'm so happy John Green's rant worked. I personally followed his links and wrote complaints bot sort of felt like it was nothing more than shouting into the void.

[@quaxo1]

The world needs more people like John and Hank.

[@motolumpy1216]

Hanks cancer posting on Twitter has been absolutely thrilling

[@pagionthevoiceless3682]

John green is such a kind a wholesome guy, so I will again, apologize for the way tumblr treated him, and thank him for continuing to do good in this world and being unwavering in his push for a better world.

[@SophiaAstatine]

Why are you apologising?

[@anacc3257]

How did tumblr treat him?

[@HollowAshes747]

@@anacc3257 I think they tried to frame him as a groomer or something like that after The Fault in Our Stars blew up in popularity and he's not.

[@DedicatedBrainWorm]

@@HollowAshes747 Oh wow. I didn't know that!

[@heliodorable4612]

that copypasta is legendary

[@blackrose86lh]

The Green Brothers give me so much hope in humanity.

[@NagyMedia]

That judge needs to be investigated. 10 seconds is a gd lifetime when someone's making you uncomfortable. I actually cannot believe this story.

[@HouseMDaddict]

I legit had someone squeeze and then slap my fully jean covered behind when in college at a bar where I was legitimately leaning against the bar chatting with friends. Took all of 2 seconds and thankfully that was the only time but the urge to deck him was very strong. Instead a girl gang got him kicked out after he did the same to multiple other girls (some worse than that) and everyone in the bar regardless of gender was done with this dude. A few guys wanted to fight him but then the dude left so problem solved.

[@NagyMedia]

@@HouseMDaddict we need more public humiliation of these situations immediately

[@HouseMDaddict]

@@NagyMedia yeah it's SO uncalled for. Like don't TOUCH people without consent.

[@Urayuss]

I saw John's video when it uploaded, and I'm absolutely fucking FLOORED that this level of progress was made so swiftly. Bless you, Mr. Green, and the sports team you rode in on.

[@maisiekennedy4184]

As a criminology student the first story is so upsetting. As someone who has to look at crime scene images as part of their studies it's horrible and anyone who wants to see them as a source of entertainment is disgusting. They shouldn't be spread around let alone people paying to see them

[@Cloudsurfer69]

John Green famously HATES tuberculosis lol. He wishes it a horrible week, admits it’s his nemesis and even called it nasty names. He really really doesn’t like it 😂🥰 He is absolutely one of my favourite people in the world that I haven’t met lol. CC history was legit one of the first things I watched on KZbin that wasn’t music! Great episode Philly D

[@PinkAphroditeDoll]

Dude. As a Canadian, that works in a MAJOR grocery store chain, I have seen Prime being sold for weeks now. There is no way they acquired it through illegal avenues. The grocery store I work for is no mom and pop place. It’s nation wide lol

[@brawlybard7014]

Yeah. The first prime product is in every gas station I've been to recently. I've seen tons of young people drinking it. There's no chance it's illegal inventory. Imported obviously, but there's no way that volume is on the down low.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

I have seen it EVERYWHERE lol. Like every convince store and lunch place that sells drinks... it is everywhere

[@adamjack9113]

Just saw it today at RCSS (loblaws). They're full of it

[@Tailored_Creations]

Is it the bottle. Or can ?

[@spending2much]

You're literally in Canada. Do you realize he was talking about you? Just because you work at a grocery store, you clearly have no idea how distribution works. Nationwide? What Nation? Canada? LMAO

[@QueenBee0888]

As the first creator to call her out, I couldn't help but to say something and I'm so glad that others feel the same way! Wrong is wrong thank you for covering this!

[@katieyuill2291]

That Italian judge is definitely defending his OWN past actions. I'm sure his excuse is he doesn't want to charge people with accidentally bumping somebody as they walked by but 10 seconds is f*cking ridiculous🤬

[@zSuperNoobs]

Lmaoo ok I’m sure you know the judge and his intentions

[@katieyuill2291]

@@zSuperNoobs Can you think of a reason to say sexual assault is okay as long as it doesn't last 10 seconds other then to make excuses for themselves and others who have committed sexual assault and wanted to make it seem okay?

[@ribottostudio]

Oppenheimer and Barbie are literally going to be the last big movies we see FOR A WHILE. What a wild timeline.

[@ll2323]

And their both sold out this weekend in my area 😩

[@ribottostudio]

@@ll2323 bro noooooooooo that SUCKS I'm so glad I got my tickets in advance. Like this is crazy, when COVID shut down Hollywood, the last big movie was SONIC THE HEDGEHOG and this time it's BARBIE AND OPPENHEIMER! Its kinda crazy lol

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

I even got the Barbie cra in Forza horizon 5 it interesting to see how much the Corvette have change it went for. A topical 1960s car maybe with more horsepower under the hood to a supercar

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

It was an update they did recently everyone got it

[@n0body550]

You say this as if movies aren’t shot in advance.

[@taukid421]

And of course when the nurses and doctors go on strike, the police get the biggest raise.

[@billy101cat]

I love seeing the impact that people can have. The green brothers are very good at shining a light on important issues, and the people who do the hard work behind the scenes

[@LetMeExplainStudios]

It continues to astound me as a professional artist that hundreds of millions of dollars and tension between nations can be jeopardized with just a simple decision of where to draw the cartoony dashes on a map. You can never tell me art is not important.

[@The0Train]

im glad i LetYouExplain your viewpoint on it

[@jonathantheman9971]

oh my god it’s the guy

[@Toogor]

Honestly just sounds like the studio didn't bribe Vietnam's corrupt officials enough and they got pissy.

[@The_Mad_Regent]

Good to see ya here Becca

[@puppeteer7929]

Hey it's the girlfriend fairy 🧚‍♂️ How are you ?

[@raerae9212]

I don't think that True Crime as a genre can exist without victim exploitation. I used to be a True Crime watcher because I thought that it was helping me to process my own trauma that I had suffered from an abusive partner. Somehow, I tricked myself into thinking that if I watched TC then I will be able to better recognize red flags and unsafe situations. But it doesn't help. In fact, it only increased my paranoia and intrusive thoughts. Then I thought really hard about how mortified my family would feel if I was murdered and some brain broken KZbinr decided to talk intimately about my murder while doing a fast food mukbang or a GRWM 😢 And as for the TC documentaries, those are also problematic because they're still made for entertainment value.

[@dickiesdocos]

Each to their own. You enjoyed it and then grew out of it. That's life.

[@carolynh6852]

What a relief about TB! I work in public health and have collegeus involved in helping people with TB. The patent expiring is going to help so many people.

[@EpicToastur]

The decision of SAG to join the writer's strike is a monumental move that screams for change in the Hollywood system! It's incredibly uplifting to witness the industry's professionals united in their relentless pursuit of fair treatment and improved conditions.

[@gateauxq4604]

Well kind of united. The director’s guild accepted whatever deal execs offered them, probably to try and counter the writer’s strike. Between actors and writers though that will probably cut down on the number of directors available.

[@EpicToastur]

@@gateauxq4604 The directors guild seemed to benefit from the writer strike, I'm surprised there wasn't more outrage about that.

[@BusinessSkrub]

I mean, the writers are striking, but with the content they've been putting up lately, I'm surprised they didn't already just get fired on the spot. Writing trash like Cleopatra, She-Hulk, Velma..... All garbage that deserves nothing but what they were getting lmao

[@IdkFoxii]

@@BusinessSkrubthis ALL THE SEXUAL SHOWS & kids that have access to Disney and all that , that are showing sexual things

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Since the transition to more streaming-focused models, studios have been able to obfuscate how much money they're making (compared to the old model of box office revenue and nielsen ratings, which are public information). The reason ScarJo's lawsuit would have been huge if it went to trial (and why Disney settled) was because Disney would have been forced to publicly disclose how much money it makes from Disney+. Among other reasons, they don't want to do that because keeping how much money they're getting extremely vague allows them to underpay people.

[@nat7278]

I know you probably dont read these but I used to watch your show 10yr or so ago and really loved them. Stopped for some reason and just stumbled on this one. You do such a great job of covering current events. Still killin it. Better than any "news" show I've ever seen. Much appreciated.

[@EpicToastur]

Having followed John Green's work and his dedication to important causes, I'm grateful to see him using his platform to raise awareness about TB medication. Witnessing creators leveraging their influence to bring about positive change is inspiring... if only American politics was this effective in getting anything done!

[@dhubbs]

My fiance was murdered. I also didn't go to court during the autopsy portion. I didn't wanna remember the person I love the way I see bodies on shows like Law & Order. And as I'm from a small town with very few murders the local media coverage on this was ruthless. Trying to talk to people leaving her funeral and waiting outside court charging up to me & her family. Putting the camera in her mother's face asking how she feels. It did feel like being revictimized because the trial was a year later and it stirred everything up again emotion wise. I cannot imagine what that man went through not only losing his child but having the person he loved kill him. I also cant imagine having to worry about running across what happened to my loved one on a thumbnail of a KZbinr as someone who consumes a lot of KZbin. I am someone who does watch True Crime from time to time, but to do this - and publish an 11y.o autopsy as part of ur Patreon benefits is in horribly poor taste.

[@heather_857]

I’m very sorry for your loss and hope that you find some peace❤ I completely agree, I feel as though KZbin should have stricter guidelines on how true crime channels are run, as most crime channels have a horrific and inhuman way of telling these victims stories.

[@dhubbs]

@@heather_857 thank you I appreciate that ❤️ and I totally agree. Esp about stories where everyone is still living through the trauma of losing a loved one in such a horrific way.

[@bboysupes]

Zavgirl definitely should have reached out to the parents to get permission before publishing such sensitive photos. I don't care how emotionally removed you can make yourself, there's a human being at the center of that case.

[@bcpr9812]

Oh fuck, no, this isn't one to reach out to the parents for, there's no way they'd agree, and it would just be distressing to them. They've suffered enough. No, when it comes to true crime, there's information that's in the public interest and then there's information that is unnecessary, ghoulish, and cruel to share publicly. Photos of a dead child's decomposed remains fall squarely in the latter category.

[@TailsClock]

This is why the people calling her out are the ones causing the grief. Stop getting the parents involved! Can you PLEASE leave the surviving victims alone in your campaign to harass a youtuber?!

[@tweakfreq1982]

If she was as up to date on that case as she claims, she should have already contacted the mother asked permission to be able to assist with the legal fees and would have been lauded for compassion instead of being seen as a greedy American with no morals

[@tweakfreq1982]

​@@bcpr9812there were paths through compassion that could have been followed that would have made this a null issue.

[@tweakfreq1982]

​@@TailsClockglitch; I have to say, yes, they are victims, but no, the problem isn't totally about the nature of the photos. This is the internet, we all have access to the worst pieces of humanity. This is more about the lack of empathy, greed and the nature of true crime. We as a whole need to grasp that making money is not the wholeness of existence. Sometimes the point is to express the information. If seeing these photos helped to end this fiasco then things would have been different. The fact that humans actually enjoy these kinds of things tells more about the species then you would like.

[@MeowCatReturns]

John Green is a real one. Could have retired on his YA money, and instead he’s mobilizing the chronically online to end TB.

[@piercethru69]

On the PRIME story : Being Canadian, I can tell you the drinks have been widely available at gas stations and 7-11's for months

[@kingofhearts3185]

Indeed they are, just not officially. I remember seeing that crap sold for $15 at some shop in a local mall a while back.

[@junipergraycreations5489]

And showcase

[@oracleofdelphiii]

Yeah I've been seeing them everywhere for a very long time now

[@Nevertoleave]

Yeah when he said that I went, dude I’ve seen them on the shelves. If some is illegally importing them then we should be checking that out. Logan should too. Maybe it’s just me but if my product was showing up somewhere it shouldn’t be then I’d be asking how and who is profiting off it?

[@Gam3freak1199]

I've seen them in several Circle K's for months and I know for a FACT that it's the 200MG versions

[@aqua-mina]

I watched John’s video and I am glad it helped make a potential change (let’s wait and see). This is proof that the power is in the people’s hands. Keep spreading the truth and enlightening us. So many things are happening without us being aware of their impacts

[@Adrift_]

The audacity of a prime minister married into an insanely rich family saying that this offer is final is insane

[@LeonieJMerry]

Whilst I can't stand the smarmy little git, EVERYONE is struggling right now. Doctors, teachers etc need to get back to work. The rest of us are.

[@tearainey1]

Not to mention saying that an offer is final is so completely irresponsible. It's not like he'll be prime minister forever (I'm assuming, I don't know that style of government well) and inflation and cost of living is always going to be at the center of conversation when it comes to picking appropriate careers. If the medical sector frequently gets left behind in terms of wages and working conditions, and the government refuses to negotiate with the union based off of this nitwit's poorly veiled threats, well play with fire and see where it gets you Mr. Prime minister because I think when it comes to folks fighting for a decent living they're not going to bend the knee. Honestly it's feeling like most countries are to the point where the common folks will simply say piss on it, burn the whole system down and start over. France already showed us what to do with the obscenely wealthy who refused to hear the concerns of their peasants once right?

[@JP317]

@@tearainey1 Oh worst case he'll be out by December next year at the latest, as that is the latest that they can call for a general election and at that point it will get triggered automatically. You know providing the country doesn't make it's like fifth straight bad call when it comes to country wide voting, it really does feel like people are sick of the Conservative party (which he is part of) so I just hope that the feeling of that continues at least until we can get them out of power.

[@sergioccs74]

He said that about this year settlement. Next year there may be other issues and also he is likely to be out by that time. What I criticize about the offer is not so much the offer itself but how it was delivered. He might as well challenged the people to deny it by delivering it the way he did.

[@jonathanmarois9009]

_"Do the right thing and know when to say yes"_ sounds like what a molester would tell their victims...

[@GummyDinosaursify]

I'd like to point out... Over the Counter BC is AMAZING for young girls that have Endometriosis but can't convince their doctors they do (which is unfortunately a common thing i've heard people mention before). BC isn't just for preventing conception, it's for allowing people with Endo to at least function during their periods. This will allow so many girls to pick up the pills without have to deal with the stigma of "why do you need birth control at 14?!".

[@blondbum]

Now to get the medical community into that headspace!

[@charlieseen]

Definitely! There's a lot of stigma around birth control, which is a massive issue bc it's the treatment for a LOT of medical issues, from endometriosis to PCOS. Breaks my heart to think of kids suffering from period pain that could be treated if the medicine wasn't neck deep in politics

[@Veritas-invenitur]

@@charlieseenI don’t know if OTC, non age restricted birth control is the solution or not. But, I’m willing to say that it’s worth a try.

[@Crystal_Dylan]

@@Veritas-inveniturif doctors refuse to do their jobs and willingly break their oath fuck em

[@BrianJOlds]

Probably won't see this but I do want to thank Phil and his entire team for these XL shows, I'm sure it takes alot of work to produce these shows and even more so to get them out on time when they are this long. THANK YOU 🙏🙏🙏

[@Meat88]

Pictures of the victims bodies is a line that should never be crossed. Pictures of minor victims is heinous.

[@mommatroosha]

I dont think the KZbinrs understands how traumatic it can be to see someone you love in a gruesome manner. You never would want to see that. Maybe then will they understand.

[@suffer1055]

ok, that’s very true but it’s locked behind a patreon, and $3 pay wall that i’m sure is titled with the crime…. i mean there is no possible way to you “stumble” across those photos. at least not by the YTs content

[@brennajohnson6969]

Ignore @mariomario1462. They’re commenting the most triggering inflammatory shit for no reason. It’s not worth your time to defend what is obviously the correct position to anyone with 2 brain cells!

[@0hpossum]

@@suffer1055that doesn’t change the fact that an 11 yo’s autopsy photos were being essentially sold online. There is a very clear underlying problem within the true crime community that victims and their families just aren’t being treated with empathy. Even if the father didn’t see them, he still had to hear about it. And some families aren’t as lucky. Looking at Dahmer for example, multiple victims’ families explicitly requested to not be featured in the Netflix series, and were blatantly ignored. Not every creator is so blatant of course, but it says something that these two in question thought it ok to put the autopsy photos of a child on their Patreon.

[@michelleneal6860]

My mom has been active in SAG-AFTRA for many, many years. She's 76 and not a "working actor" but still pays her dues, goes to meetings, and actively participates in special events like the Chicago Senior SAG-AFTRA Radio Players.

[@Moncherelouis]

imagine saying to the father of a murdered child “yeah i don’t see your sons autopsies as photos of a child but photos of a scientific specimen”

[@ll2323]

Only the family are allowed to release those autopsy photos. She should’ve returned the photos immediately.

[@ZaximusRex]

Why would you imagine that? It's literally what they said lol.

[@tenkenroo]

That’s some mengle shit right there

[@aidanquiett668]

That's factually true though, given medical students are explicitly allowed to view the body in person or virtually as a scientific specimen

[@MrDoverfield]

Internet cloud will make you do stupid things

[@cloudyview]

Tuberculosis has been John's fixation for a long time - it's awesome that he was able to make a meaningful difference in the fight against it 👍

[@ampednormal9045]

I don't think I've ever gone from zero to pissed as quick as watching Sunak tell our most vital workers to shut up and accept a sub-inflation pay rise that doesn't even put them in a better position that when the strikes started. I'm so sick of rich assholes telling regular people to just deal with worsening living standards.

[@osheridan]

Not even that, rich people loving that some of the most important people in the world are worse off than them

[@jish55]

She had no right to show the autopsy photos and should have asked the family before even covering their son's death, because she just comes off as a douche at this point. Like if your true crime video is on someone who died over 100 years ago, great, do that. BUT if you do it with someone who just passed away and the family is still grieving? Nah, you leave that shit be and let the family grieve in peace.

[@jennaveda6273]

I came here to say this, and I'm glad it's already here. Also, showing autopsy photos of a MINOR is just another level of ick in this gross misuse of murder as entertainment.

[@cablefeed3738]

If three years is too soon and 100 is far enough, where is the line, and can you get everyone to agree to said line?

[@tilervonbiscuitbrown4393]

@@cablefeed3738 the line is dont show dead children for entertainment

[@melanie1825]

​@@cablefeed3738 I think the idea is if everyone close to the victim has passed, then it's more acceptable. At least thats what ive heard people say. That being said i dont personally think autopsy photos are needed to make informative true crime content and personally do not really want to see it. I can see it's value in an educational setting.

[@ryanthompson3737]

​@@tilervonbiscuitbrown4393OK, so then protest the ENTIRE United States government from federal to local because she literally filled out an easy-to-file request, sent it to the government, and they just GAVE them to her for free. You're mad she's showing limited people these photos even though the government is handing them out to the public like it's fucking Halloween candy. The only reason she can profit off this is because FOIA rights only apply to American citizens. If you were in Canada, for example, you couldn't ask the US government for these pictures... as an American you're actually constitutional ENTITLED to see and posses those pictures. Bottom line, your point doesn't exist in this reality where she obtained these pictures by literally nicely asking the government for them. She didn't steal them or hunt them down... she downloaded a publically available form, filled it out, emailed it back to the government, and the government literally emailed back a whole folder of dead children pictures... if you're American, you can skip the $3 and also freely and easily ask the government for them.

[@NaudVanDalen]

Imagine some creep in Italy groping you, turning on a stopwatch, letting go after 9 seconds and just walking away scot-free because police can't arrest him for it.

[@brennajohnson6969]

Ignore @mariomario1462. They’re commenting the most triggering inflammatory shit for no reason. It’s not worth your time to defend what is obviously the correct position to anyone with 2 brain cells!

[@emmaobrien1376]

​@@mariomario1462with what, a knife or a gun? That's how we handle predators around here.

[@Erndea]

​@@mariomario1462they don't help.

[@shawn4116]

@@mariomario1462 Are you some kind of moron? She literally pressed criminal charges and it lead to this. What good do you think calling the police will do with this precident?

[@3Santo]

@@mariomario1462dude I’m reading your comments on various videos, are you a troll or just sick ?

[@aestheticmd5925]

There is a time and place for informative, educational discussions regarding autopsies. I would argue that the interest in true crime online never falls under that “educational” umbrella. Unless you’re a student or professional in the field and the interaction is among other peers, it’s just not “educational”. It’s just feeding morbid human curiosity, which, human-but self control and checking off-colored thoughts is another great, great human trait. Online echo chambers really hinder that personal checks and balances system

[@Nyan_Japan]

I’m Canadian and honestly was shocked to learn Prime wasn’t distributed in Canada because the gas station beside my house advertises it loudly

[@Nevertoleave]

Like my archaeology teacher told us, ‘these were real people and these photos are for educational purposes, not entertainment.’ That kid was a person. And they’re not showing his remains proper respect

[@SophiaAstatine]

You'll find few people other than archaeologists with the amount of respect for deceased people they have no connection to. They're more than happy to plan a funeral for someone who died almost two thousand years ago.

[@SquekretGenius420]

I believe it's crucial for KZbinrs, in general, to exercise extreme caution when dealing with any true crime cases involving children. As I imagine myself as a KZbinr, I cannot envision a situation where I would incorporate children into such content.

[@sethfraser5841]

Hearing the news about Johnson and Johnson being stopped by John greens pressure is incredible I'm so happy to hear about this

[@Spitefulrish]

John and Hank are the heroes we need but don’t deserve.

[@vesperiadragon3221]

The sad thing about the strikes is that those who have all the power *absolutely* have the means to wait everyone out. The disparity is simply too large.

[@theexaustedslime]

They may, they may not. It seems like the actual resource being tested for them is ivenstor patience. How many quarters of throwing money down the drain to keep the lights on do you think investors are going to be OK with, when the alternative is only making a bit less profit than they expected ?

[@Random_dud31]

​@theexaustedslime the biggest problem is for the writers is that the effects of them not working will only come 6 to 12 months later? The ceos can act nothing is wrong. At least now, with actors, the effects of them not working should be sooner

[@CJIrishLez]

After hearing the studios say they won’t budge till the people on strike lose their houses and have to come back to the table and will give less then they requested and deserve is disgusting. I feel like we need to cancel our streaming services & not go to any new movies to show the studios they can lose money too. Greed is disgusting.

[@stephaniechilders5176]

Don't worry, there won't be any new movies or shows to support soon anyway bc of the strike! lol. Hopefully the bigwigs will start to get it after their profits truly begin to tank.

[@aisadal2521]

I'm so happy that the actors guild did decide to join the writer's strike! I hope monumental change to the disgusting Hollywood system is finally implemented 😊

[@mesmartgnome]

You know the film industry is just gonna try some dumbass work around. Just pay people what they’ve earned.

[@justsomeguy1136]

Especially after the directors went on strike and had their strike resolved almost instantly. Absolutely bullshit. Hope this makes progress for the writers.

[@TheTony024]

The writers are like ‘coaches’ in pro sports, while actors are the ‘players’(the product). The NFL and NBA have players association and the players and coaches get huge cuts from their leagues. There have been massive labor disputes over the years. The Players genuinely have more power today than in the 1960’s. Much like top level actors do. Hollywood’s system is ass backwards like it is in DC. I hope the writers gain massive leverage getting support from the ones in their industry who make a bulk load of the money. Everyone in hollywood should be compensated since California is an economic juggernaut, writers, actors, producers, editors, camera and IT guys, everyone deserves live able wages in a world where prices keep rising, why cant wages rise for the ones who actually put in the work? Corporate greed is rampant in the modern world 👎🏽 The actors can truly tip the scales to find cohesion in the movie/entertainment industry.

[@dzibanart8521]

We have to support them both the Actors Guild and Writers Guild in Social media, because what they are fighting will be a fight we will all soon have in every industry, AI cannot move forward.

[@ZeketheZealot]

@@justsomeguy1136 To quote a friend of mine: “well yeah. Directors are basically scabs as a profession. The only people they answer to are owners. Its like a National Union For Retail Store General Managers. Fuck ‘em.”

[@Vampwatch1462]

There are youtubers that do true crime that don't have to use autopsy photos and make informative videos much better. These youtubers did cross a line.

[@ryanpercival9823]

Watched that John Green video about Bedaquiline. Sent 3 complaints to J&J, one on FB, one on IG, and one on their site. I am so happy this video made a difference, because I was appalled!!! Thank you Stop TB Partnership!!!!!

[@kyndramb7050]

Me too.

[@ryanpercival9823]

@@kyndramb7050 Good Sh$t, BAMF

[@DarkboyDranzer]

So my serious question is what else has that judge ruled on cause this is cannot be the only thing he's ruled with such a wild excuse

[@jevonjordan681]

I’m not only from Colorado Springs, but from Fountain-Security Widefield, around the area that Gannon was from as well, and this entire case rocked our community. So much mourning and tributes for the poor kid and support given to his dad. To see someone shamelessly profit off a very real and very tragic case that caused so much pain for all of us here simply because it’s “interesting and informative” makes me sick. But I guess with the rise of true crime, it’s not surprising, I will never get the morbid curiosity people have for the suffering of others and their obsessions with murderers

[@applesnail8876]

I feel obligated to comment on the true crime story. I was a mortician for 5 years and am interested in true crime stories. I’ve seen many autopsies, some of children. The thought of distributing picture of them make me feel sick to my stomach. They are people who lived and loved and smiled. Some of these true crime “creators” have made the lives of these deceased people into spectacles. Even if a person is deceased, they still deserve love and respect. These families are experiencing unimaginable emotions just by losing a loved one, now to have these influencers parading their loved ones around is traumatic.

[@jasontankable]

As a mortician, is it respectful to only distribute pictures with the added context of the coroner's report? What would make it more respectful to you? I'm curious, thanks.

[@RicardoHornedo]

I totally feel for you and the family’s no need to share any of this any sick f*** who is cool with any of this doesn’t deserve air

[@applesnail8876]

@@jasontankable In legal cases, such as murder, every corner’s office (and in some cases the funeral homes) takes photos of the deceased. Their information is held within a database. That information can be accessed internally within those companies. For moral purposes, I don’t think these photos of true crime cases should be released to the public, especially involving children. I can’t justify these photos being leaked because there will always be bad actors that just want to see something disturbing. These photos get passed around the internet for entertainment. One example I can think of is the Nikki Catsouras case. This time the photos were leaked by police officers after the accident. Her photos were spread around the internet for shock value and the photos were even sent to her family. People hide behind a “true crime” veil, when really they just want to see gore.

[@0uttaS1TE]

God it feels like the older generations are racing to see who can end up in a frequently pissed on grave the fastest, these days.

[@Cashhhhew]

Yeah tbh people are already getting more violent… I would not be so brazenly evil these days (or ever lol, but ya know…)

[@clairegear9914]

Thank you for bringing attention to the J&J story. There’s power in numbers.

[@philthytanks4952]

I think the best way to get the point across would be to show someone being physically beater for 9 seconds and then ask, “should this be okay since it was under 10 seconds?”

[@misssydnerella]

The true crime community honestly seems toxic to me. It’s fine to cover tough topics and provide information but this is really gross how it almost seems like there is no care for the victims. I wish more true crime creators would center the victims respectfully not glorify the crime. Edit: wow thanks guys for suggestions on ethical channels to watch. I will check them out.

[@Rye_]

Agreed! I don’t think it’s wrong to have an interest in True Crime, but to go to such lengths and respond so coldly is inhuman.

[@beautifulmidnight]

Coffeehouse Crime does a good job of that. He goes into the history of the victim and talks a lot about what kind of people they were. It’s heartbreaking, but I’m glad he does it. Few true crime channels do.

[@Cashhhhew]

@@beautifulmidnightKendall Rae does that too. She actually reaches out to the families and works closely with them, including letting them speak for their loved one. And she does a ton of fundraising work for the families and for a lot of wonderful groups. And she says she will not do cases when the family is known to have asked other TC channels to take theirs down. Those two are the only ones I’ll watch.

[@courtneyrowley7873]

This is why Emma Kenny is the only one I watch

[@maironamakesstuff]

I almost exclusively watch/listen to The Casual Criminalist for true crime because of the sensitivity and empathy with which the writers and host, Simon, treat the more horrible crimes. They also put an emphasis on truth over shock value, providing the information without the gory details unless they're absolutely necessary. As Simon is fond of saying, more CSI, less Saw. He also throws in palate cleanser videos like The Great Maple Syrup Heist as well lol

[@ruthredmond2132]

My husband works for IATSE (the folks who make the stages/sets etc) in Canada and his show just got shut down because of the actor strike. I’m scared of how long it will take and how our finances will be affected as a result of the actors and writers fighting to improve their pay checks. But hopefully everyone gets what they need AND the writers and actors also support the labour portion of film making when their contract renegotiations come up next spring. Yesterday when the actors were leaving they asked my husband and his coworkers to stay out of their parting picture so my expectations of their respect for what is essentially the blue collar portion of their industry is low. But hopefully they prove me wrong.

[@basii578]

On one hand, I’m grateful for J&J’s capitulation. On the other hand, it’s so absurd that companies like J&J and Eli Lily would happily reap excessive margins on vital medication patents at the cost of lives, BUT only changed because they were getting cooked on twitter. Wicked world we live in

[@somenerdpng]

Welcome to capitalism, it’s built on the bodies of people for profit

[@fanofmetal1]

It's almost like we shouldn't put profit motives into medicine.

[@roachies4242]

@@fanofmetal1whaaaa??🤯

[@machinshin2253]

Twitter is the power of the masses personified. Events like this are why I believe Elon Musk bought out Twitter with Saudi money because of things exactly like this. Did anyone notice that Threads explicitly said they want to avoid “politics”? It’s a marketing channel, nothing more

[@BreakofDawn]

J&J has a long history of being a terrible, evil company that only cares about money. For decades J&J knew their baby powder had high levels of asbestos in it. There were several cases that linked their baby powder to cancer, but they refused to change their formula and even falsified testing to make it look like the talc they used had “safe” levels of asbestos. They had been doing this since the 60’s and it was only this year that j&j finally changed their baby powder formula to contain no talc.

[@averyeml]

So what I’m hearing is that if we see the judge out in public, he would like hands on him for a max of 9 seconds by any rando who recognizes. Because, as we all know, both the victim and the perpetrator both mentally will start counting to ten and/or looking at a timer to decide if it’s creepy or not, and the judge won’t see any problem with people doing that to them. Also, shoutout to John Green. He’s incredible.

[@shermancakes457]

John Green is great - I don’t know how many of his history vids I watched though college to help break the information down and make it engaging… forever grateful.

[@ario4550]

I usually take this for granted and notice when his story selection sucks, but I really appreciate the topics covered here today. The janitor assault, lobbying, the john green j&j story, all important reflections of how society is the most broken and where we should focus our attention and desire for change.

[@atrution]

Rishi saying "this won't happen again" and including a pay bump for police really lets that bit of fascism slip

[@yesreneau]

The writer's strike is amazing to watch--I hope they keep it up

[@valdobie2797]

Thanks, Phil, for covering the Johnson&Johnson story and John Green’s participation in lowering the patent for TB meds. Appreciate you!

[@meowy2k]

it is AMAZING how far birth control has gotten, i am so glad these products are becoming more accessible over time

[@bluester7177]

I agree with you but it's wild to me that people needed a prescription for birth control pills. I got a prescription when I was 17 and then I never had to use it ever again, I can buy on the Internet and have it delivered to my house and I'm in a third world country.

[@xtuffcookiex]

Only reason I have health insurance is to get my BC so glad to see over the counter will be a thing.

[@redvelvet9215]

It causes structural changes to your brain, which definitely shows

[@Kwak444]

@@redvelvet9215sources?

[@picklesthechicken7216]

@@redvelvet9215no it doesn’t

[@locklanh]

and bless you comrade defranco for consistently covering labour issues and for your solidarity

[@meowy2k]

i'm rooting for the sag strikes, its time for another revolution for creatives of all sectors whether you're an actor, artist, or whatever. the corruption of greed and abuse of AI have gone too far.

[@magnusolsen691]

Fuck yeah, John! I like to think I'm pretty resilient to parasocial relationships, but John has reminded me that there are exceptions to every rule because I love that guy so much.

[@galaxychar]

When I was a teenager I liked true crime in the sense that I would research information online about murders constantly. It was incredibly interesting to me and so I understand where that fascination comes from, and I aspired to be a behavioural psychologist when I was younger because of how much I was drawn to the subject. However upon starting to look for books, docs, etc or other content on it as I got older, the ethical issues became glaringly obvious to me. I had and do have trouble vocalizing why, but the makeup youtubers gleefly discussing these very real deeply traumatic events, or books that focus on prose and atmosphere to create narratives of the rapes of strangers.. it deeply feels wrong to me. It seems like there is overall typically a huge lack of respect for the subject matter and that people use it as their scary story entertainment without understanding what it’s like for loved ones of the victim. So this doesn’t surprise me at all. I am actually more surprised true crime fans are even bothered by it or understand what happened was wrong. The woman involved is not viewing the child and his father as real human beings and is clearly running a channel for morbid entertainment under the guise of ‘education’. Education about what, exactly? Why would anyone need to view that gore to understand the case? I hope she faces some kind of legal consequences for this.

[@YellowLemonRedApple]

as a teacher in Canada, kids have so much Prime

[@SodaPop2323]

what the hell does he mean its not sold in canada? i seen it in circle k the moment it was released

[@kingofhearts3185]

​@@SodaPop2323 Officially they don't sell it here, people are bringing it from the US and reselling it here. Like that convenience store in Britain that got called out for reselling it for £100 or something.

[@alinaigrad]

I'm glad you covered the Tuberculosis news. That's insane! And I'm proud of John continuing to talk about tuberculosis.

[@Shanti-Cabbage]

Nice, as always. Thanks for the fill, Phil!

[@Minimojojoy]

I think about 90% of True Crime KZbinrs have a Patreon charging a certain amount to view the non censored versions of their content. And many of those versions contain similar questionable content/photos. It seems to be a well spread practice with TC creators! Definitely not just this Zav person. There is definitely an big ethical discussion to be had there.

[@coolio4843]

Yes I think it comes from KZbin not allowing these images or they get demonetized at least. But I don’t think I see many true crime KZbinrs actually showing crime scene photos of the victim.

[@Fairymoncada]

Your percentages are wrong. You should be more careful about using that as resource for an opinion. I watch several TC channels from both English and Hispanic creators, and I have NEVER EVER heard even one of them has a Patreon to post that kind of content. Those specific creators who do that should be called out. Real TC fans don’t watch those vids to see death people, it is for psychological part behind… People who buys that kind of content should be called out.

[@mayanaw.9027]

@@Fairymoncada 100% Speak for yourself OP, none of the TC creators I follow would ever post or share this kind of image - wouldn't even come to mind to do for them behind a paywall or otherwise. But I do agree it's a big ethical discussion.

[@Fairymoncada]

@@EliTheAlien Sure, but remember the internet is an open source of information, any person at any age can use it at any time and place, that type of gruesome content should be censored. I personally didn’t watch any TC before YT. This version of TC is much better for ppl like me who likes the psychology and mystery behind, and not to see real dead people.

[@Takokujin07]

@@EliTheAlienou know why? Because those shows on tv (not all of course) have mountains of people behind them, forensic scientists and law enforcement, witnesses, people with YEARS of experience behind them, even having the families of the victims working with them, and also they donate to organizations tied to helping those families. Anyone can go on KZbin and talk about a murder and get their hands on photos not meant to be shown to the public, but can you create and produce and entire show revolving around different cases, paying all the people involved in producing those, promoting it, and show it on tv? These were at first meant to be INFORMATIVE, now they are mostly entertainment on KZbin. Plus the shows on tv have decades of society getting used to it, by being informative and scientific. There is definitely still exploitation and now it’s been over saturated with bs, but the point is on KZbin it’s just normal people almost zero experience in reporting and research. It’s like college kids pretending to be investigative reporters thinking they have the right to SELL autopsy photos of child, bro

[@charlesdean2781]

Every year John green proves he’s the type of guy that deserves respect

[@kendallseigworth8683]

Such interesting and important news topics! As always, thank you for sharing, Phil.

[@jsmall5952]

So glad you covered the autopsy photo’s being sold I think it is absolutely disgraceful behavior of those Yoitubers anyone who cannot see that if you wanted to it is WAY WAY WAY TOO SOON.

[@angryemployee]

10 seconds?! I won't be surprised when people start reacting violently and these judges start losing their heads

[@redbigun]

That janitor needs to be ended first.

[@Avrysatos]

Look, 10 seconds is fine. That must mean it doesn't count when I hit the groper back so long as my fist doesn't come in contact with him for more than 10 seconds at a time, surely that's just fine and legal to this judge, right?

[@Copperyfoxx]

I suppose we can all punch that judge for 10 seconds each. As long as we all take turns.

[@stitch0blue]

Naw. Maybe someone should show the judge just how long 8 seconds are(as to not break the president they set) by "not groping them". Bet they will regret a lot

[@mcbean1]

@@Avrysatos That's called self defence, you always had that right. I would be careful that you don't confuse someone accidently brushing past you with a 'groper' because at that point you might end up punching an innocent person, then you'd have a problem.

[@TheRegisteredNerd]

Yes!!! John's plan worked ❤❤❤ Good use of social media and the internet to improve the lives of others!

[@WillTheGreatest]

Perfect time for VFX teams to unionize and join the others this situation will probably never happen like this again

[@Xeonort]

Hell yeah. See how long it takes the big wigs to cave when every corner of the industry they rely on decides to strike. There is no industry without all of them working together, but the CEO’s forget that they’re they only ones that are actually expendable, especially in this day and age when anyone anywhere at anytime can make and release movies online without the need of a major corporation and their money.

[@RoskeGR2]

Yes! I was just thinking of them too, they really do get the short ends.