Yu-Gi-Oh Could Learn from Cardfight Vanguard!

[@DifferentFight]

Nice to see big YGO names acknowledging Vanguard! The other side of the argument that I think could be mentioned is that almost every clan in Vanguard is represented in the anime to some extent, whereas YGO has a lot of non-anime archetypes that are also fan favourites. I think suggesting that Konami simply support the anime archetypes would make a lot of people unhappy, so I think it's something that they would've had to set out to do from the very start. Still a nice idea though!

[@tridentskin0729]

aye DifferentFight!

[@Alena_Sneaky]

You tell them, Kris💪🏼

[@doorbladder5735]

DifferentFight I’ll summarize both games right now in 2018 Yugioh: Good hand, or good game Vanguard: even with a bad hand, at least no one can ftk and at least you have a chance

[@louiecarlos3015]

No kidding

[@ElanXmusc]

Heyy loved your channel. .But I have quit vanguard ever since the reboot came out . .I've been using Ren SP and Shion Altmile RP. . How are they doing now ? Should I come back to the game ?

[@CrowsCalling]

I wish Vanguard was more popular, more tournaments and the like

[@tridentskin0729]

With the reboot it’s actually growing more

[@andre51605]

Yeah it's pretty simple compared to Yugioh

[@aerostrider41x98]

Same man same

[@shinyhoohtcg2074]

It will be yugioh is dead people are just in denial.

[@Jorch101]

Eric LeBow right now Vanguard is growing a LOT. Later sets have been bought out even before being released.

[@DukeApples]

my current issue with the game is that it does not matter what deck you play, Every Deck is only an Engine for the Links, example, Six Sam super good? oh thats cause its a fast monster spamming Engine for the Extra Deck plays, and it plays mostly the same Extra Deck as everyone else... The Extra Deck is now the Archtype... and your Draw pile is just your Engine.

[@grahamdoran6789]

Whats your deck? The same 10 extra deck monsters everyone else plays and a few more. ...no no...what's your deck?...oh...a way to get out the same 10 monsters everyone else plays

[@evcurls416]

I have to disagree about the "every deck" part, but i get what you mean

[@polygon2745]

I see where you’re coming from but it’s definitely not “every” deck. Mostly just the top tier meta decks. The majority of other decks (cyber dragon, darklords, etc) are still very much the same deck

[@LightningDaniels]

I agree with you mostly. I personally like running my own type deck though. Keep Links to a minimum.

[@Trekkie46]

Gouki Knightmare. Spyral Knightmare. Six Sam Knightmare. Dunno what you mean.

[@truerockfan]

As someone who has played Vanguard, not only are there the clans, but even clans themselves also have archetypes. It is good to see someone acknowledging Vanguard though. Thank you

[@Infernoswac]

truerockfan shows the Reboot is actually growing the game fortunately

[@aa_superstar992]

truerockfan bro look at differentfight he is one of my fav vanguard youtubers

[@chaosnightravngaming88]

Solemn vanguard

[@ronelm2000]

Oh God I remember Bermuda Triangle with 12 archetypes...

[@QuangVo-tk6ll]

Just like Royal Palain has Blaster, Alfred and Altmile? Then youre correct

[@Neos728]

To be honest, I like vanguard alot more right now than YGO. I'm not asking for my deck to be made broken lol. But the way they are doing "standard" support, is everything is getting support once per year. Everything can compete, it's more just about knowing your match ups.

[@Infernoswac]

Neos728 Ezreal you are correct I agree

[@deadmanflames1726]

Neos728 I miss g format it was fast paced& fun but $$$ and harder to pick up standard is cheap, back to basics and fun but less skillful but I love vanguard over Yu-Gi-Oh mostly because the Yu-Gi-Oh community just pushed me away with how people are.(both online &locals)

[@goodessofthedarkness]

Neos728 ezreal ist my main ♡♡

[@louprime3690]

@@deadmanflames1726 my dude, I've been playing for 3 weeks, spike bros, topped 2 locals 2nd(first time against D.P. no idea how it played or what it did) and 3rd(buddy who helped me get into it pulled double crit), fell short of top 8 for regional qualifier 9th, because I'm new and the dude i wrecked (he had OTT)was shop owners buddy, I understand what you mean less skillful, but the V community is dangerously obnoxious, maybe just my experience so far, but their salt is a luxury, but game is fun! I love football, its football season, I love spike bros aggro, like mermail, my all time favorite ygo deck

[@deadmanflames1726]

honestly your right main reason is i think most players are seeing the meta as it was last era in v as a force to be reckoned with however < standard different because u could have the best deck but still loose because of luck and just it more balanced. Ott being the strong deck currently when it goes off is amazing but can be easily beaten by a low tier nova graplher deck if they don't play correctly because that deck can crush your hand like nothing if they got the set it.

[@Utternegatively]

A liitle fun fact: Akira Itou the creator of Cardfight! Vanguard is Kazuki Takahashi's assistant and he worked on Yu-gi-oh! R

[@Predaplanter]

Ohhhh that's why vanguard is a rip-off!

[@GhostlyNomad130]

@@Predaplanter dude. No, Vanguard is a whole different Beast. I honestly Hope you give it a shot. I love Yugioh, But I feel vanguard is better simply by design

[@Predaplanter]

@@GhostlyNomad130 wdym Design?

[@GhostlyNomad130]

@@Predaplanter Cardfight Vanguard is more thematically congruent and entirely unique while also being interesting and ENGAGING. Holy crap, I've never played a card game where I haf to so carefully scrutinize and manage my own moves as well as my opponents

[@SparkShadow212]

@@Predaplanter "Ooh, another card game? It'S jUst A riP-oFf Of YUgIoH!".

[@xM2lord]

Vanguard has a lot of things i wish YGO would adopt. Especially the BANLIST. in vanguard, their restriction lists may include a specific clause in which you cant use a card instead of just banning the card altogether. For example, the vanguard deck Pale Moon has Jumping Jill which is a good card but it's broken if you combo it with Purple Trapezist. Instead of banning Jumping Jill like how Konami would do, in Vangaurd's "ban" list it's noted that you just can't play purple trap and Jumping Jill in the same deck to prevent unfair combos and interactions. Soft bans like this could help Yugioh so much. Too many times do cool cards get banned because a meta deck can abuse them but the rogue deck it was made for ends up suffering

[@tyson7208]

ISOLDE

[@SGWixoss]

Both Wixoss and Duelmasters called dips on Ban Combos a long time ago

[@xM2lord]

SG Wixoss nice its a good idea that i wish konami would appreciate

[@lsrrr3857]

Wait now you cant play Purple Trapezist with Jumping Jill now?

[@rickjohnson2707]

This makes too much sense to ever happen

[@RogueHero]

I like this idea , it would be fair for every archetype and would create less rage in the community for under supported archetypes

[@cav97]

InnovationYGO damn right

[@shadowflare0269]

Make yu gi oh reboot like vanguard

[@ArchAngelxDemonChao]

Also remove MP2. Yes, this hinders board creation but I'd rather not have to sit back while you destroy my board in MP1 then set an unbreakable one in MP2. Just an opinion.

[@AspiringXX]

InnovationYGO damn you’re still alive

[@TeamAPS]

*Hey there, APS Squad! We appreciate you guys for watching the video. What did you think of this idea? Should Yu-Gi-Oh limit the number of archetypes in exchange for consistent support? Or would this just be a disaster?* 🤔

[@CC_Th1rst]

see my comment posted below and let me know if you agree/disagree with my theory

[@RyomiCrimson]

I think it could be good. Obviously, the immediate shock would be when the majority of people find out their archetype is getting dropped. I think if they managed to crunch that power creep a bit, then those generic cards probably aren't so bad. On the flip side, it's possible that more semi-generic cards could be better instead of these filler archetypes, and if you didn't go the archetype route then the semi-generic cards (like cards that only work for Machines, Rocks, Dragons) would more easily update all the archetypes, instead of worrying if your deck will get an update.

[@partycreatures2024]

Hey have you guys ever thought doing some videos on vanguard? Because that would be Amazing!

[@Nakajimaishito]

I completely agree. And of course this is a yugioh channel so maybe the video could be about more similarities or things that each game can learn from each other. Especially since vanguard recently did a complete reboot of the game as a whole.

[@starbound100]

Team APS a quick word from a pretty seasoned vanguard player. Clans are not really the "archetype" as much as the "type" of deck you use, as clans DO have proper archetypes within themselves, with their inherent spin on the clan "main" stategy. An example, I play dark irregulars as clan, whose theme is stacking up a lot of "soul" (a zone in the game under your vanguard) and unlocking more powers the more cards are there. You don't care WHAT they are, just how many there are, and there are a multitude of effects that make me put cards in there. Using this soul in different ways, there are currently 3 branches of dark irregulars in the G format of the game. These cards almost all have a keyword in their name or text that makes them belong to a certain strategy. Cards with "Amon" in the card name belong to the Amon archetype, that focuses on raw explosive power, often getting stronger by an ammount for every card in the soul. Card wih "blade wing" in the name is for the blade wing strategy, wich involves a more defensive and "grindy" game plan, with an explosive finish, while cards with "darkness" in their *text* usually go together, focuse arround the boss card Scharhrot (pronounced similarly to Charlotte, like Charl-ha-rot), wich focuses on unlocking a numbers of powers like the ability to dictate what yout opponent can or cannot use to defend himself. Keep up the good work team APS, your content is what still anchors me to the world of yugioh.

[@slyder5597]

What's funny is that there's actually archetypes within each clan.

[@jonathangoodwin7511]

Exactly. I thought he would mention that. Yeah vanguard has archetypes within each clan. And like just about every other card game, some archetypes are better than others. Or so I've seen so far

[@slyder5597]

@@jonathangoodwin7511 for sure. And then some Archetypes get so big that they essentially become a Sub Clan *looks at Zodiac Time Beasts*

[@jonathangoodwin7511]

@@slyder5597 Ikr!

[@exodusuno]

@@slyder5597 looks at Overlord *THE* *CLAN*

[@slyder5597]

@@exodusuno so true. I mean, what even is a Kagero?

[@parsath_2584]

I'm a Vanguard player who used to play Yu-Gi-Oh. A big reason I quit was cost, I felt the way Yu-Gi-Oh released archetypes over time a couple cards per set wasn't good for my budget. With Vanguard I can skip sets and do case splits for the clans I don't want.

[@jonathandiaz-hui9397]

I saw a Cardfight vanguard card in the thumbnail and immediately liked this video. Love the analysis.

[@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf]

Vanguard just got rebooted, the powercreep got out of control. Bushiroad like "fuck this shit, let's start over".

[@Registeel13Ty]

Another point of note are sub clans within main clans of Vanguard, which can be played independently from each other. This is one way you end up having diversity even within the same clan. In terms of YGO, it would be like making Dark World, Archfiend, and Burning Abyss all part of the same archetype for example, but you could still build them separate from each other if you wanted to.

[@prairietan]

Cardfight vanguard has 24 (now 5) clans that has about 4-8 if not more different archetype. Genesis (astral poet, or witches) or Angel Feather ( Black, or Malika) my clan in V or Dragon Empire (nirvana, or Bavasagra) or Lyrical Monasterio (Kairi, or Clarissa) in D. So at least 200 clear Architypes in vanguard if not more! And within your clan you can meld different archetype together as well as bled clans together as long as they are from the same Nation... In Overdress they started to add cards that are dual national. So that opens the door more for the future.

[@bigchris327]

It does huh, kind of like how Yu-Gi-Oh did with the Performapals and Magicians and stuff

[@noname144able]

The one thing Yugioh needs right now is another Foolish Burial Goods reprint lol Kidding, liked the video, found it to be quite interesting

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

No not cards but how the game plays. Sure adding more cards is good but if you can do shit with it then you know the mechanics is the one that needs fixing.

[@elin111]

Speaking of Cardfight Vanguard, the game's meta was getting rather out of hand so they made a full format reboot. The new format doesn't let you use anything before June 2018, which sucks for people who blew $200 in May only to be forced to make a new deck, but it was good for the meta because the new format is much more balanced. I have to wonder if YGO could use a full reboot as well.

[@user-le7bw9nv7x]

Lol

[@xenood9687]

@@elin111 hell no

[@michaelkeha]

On the short list Card quality Loyalty to the fans Balance Interesting game mechanics that don't ruin the game Reasonable pricing on product Easy to open packs Fun interactive gameplay Distinct styles of play and clever variations there of Passion for artwork Love and care for the fan base Balls to try new and unique methods to deal with problematic cards such as contextual bannings

[@ShinParisu]

I think the Keyword here is structure, Yugioh began as something with little to no structure and you could mish mash all the most broken cards and kick ass, although in Vanguard you arent allowed the same freedom your clan will get its time to shine at some point there are no consistently losing clan or consistently broken clans but a never ending power struggle between all clans, also fun fact Akira Ito (Vanguard creator and Lead Designer) worked under Kazuki Takahashi (Creator of the Yugioh Manga) and took over a certain side story of the Yugioh Manga called Yugioh "R" so Akira Ito knows what he is doing along with the rest of Bushiroad staff, to him the card game is the focus of his story and not a plot arc that took over like in Yugioh Original manga.

[@blanktrigger8863]

From what I remember Vanguard inflated much faster than yugioh, which is why I stopped playing really really quickly. They had clans like the ghost-pirates, for example, that had great potential but very very quickly moved on to gold paladins etc, then narukami etc, and left some of those first clans in the dust. Also kept introducing new mechanics without fleshing out older ones fully.

[@ragingpotato-y-]

@@blanktrigger8863 it did. And frankly now that i think about it gold paladins was more or less a tier zero clan in the old limit break days (early limit breaks with ezel and sdd)

[@starbound100]

@@ragingpotato-y- that was because of the asinine decision to try catching up with the japanese release. They skipped soooo many sets by releasing golds so fast and going back and forward.

[@RaptorRapture]

Dinomists need a Link monster with a similar effect to Heavymetalfoes Electrumite but make it only for Dinomist and not generic.

[@biggreenyu-gi-ogre1550]

YES PLEASE US DINOMIST PlAYERS HAVE SAID THAT SINCE LINKS INCEPTION

[@ledgerschroeder]

2 water pendulum monsters

[@biggreenyu-gi-ogre1550]

@@ledgerschroeder no make it 2 dinomist monsters with different names

[@brenthebli]

Aren’t Dinomists pendulums? Why not run Electrumite?

[@RaptorRapture]

@@brenthebli Read the comment bruh

[@indexclone8130]

I think what you need to mention is for Vanguard - All cards have to belong to a clan - Can't use a lot of card abilities if you don't surround the cards with those of its clan - Multi-clan decks are rare and don't see much play - Clans are not monster specific like in Yugioh but a meta entity like elemental type in Yugioh to which all cards belong In Yugioh the archtype is an optional mechanic you can use and you can mix and match archtype and still get good chemistry. In Vanguard you get some heavy restrictions if you don't think about clans while making your deck.

[@emmanuelzermeno1588]

I personally think Vanguard is better than Yu-Gi-Oh. Like if agree

[@merccc1]

Here's a Idea, instead of dropping archetypes. Just drop the trash they line the packs with and make sure everything they make supports one of the archetypes we already have. So many pointless trash cards that take the place of cards people would actually use. Tons of space to support all archetypes to some degree within just a few releases at most.

[@alexsandifer5139]

TricksyKitsune Pack values would increase, possibly bringing up the MSRP. Not that I wouldn’t be willing to pay it, if I knew I’d most likely get a few cards worth my time

[@anonymoususer69]

If Konami wants to make the most money they should support the fan favorite archetypes and not try and get people behind new archetypes. It takes way less effort and hype is generated so much more easily. Look at the new gravekeeper’s cards that were spoiled a month or two ago, they were decent but the hype levels were way higher than can be justified

[@tyson7208]

Personally I think that would be bad idea. Mainly because most of the creativity in the game comes from the addition of new archetypes. If konami just made support only for pre-existing archetypes they would be locked in to making cards to support that particular archetype strategy and I think that would make the game really stale.

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

Noah Llorens But making new archetypes helps keep people invested in the game as a whole by providing new ways to play. It should be a balance of both, not exclusively old or new stuff.

[@ultraatari9298]

Hell sometimes they just change history and pretend cards always worked some shitty new way. so do what you said. every card is an archetype. Armoured Glass is a pretty useless trap card in the current meta. But combine it with I don't know... "you can banish this card from your graveyard and pay 200 lifepoints: target and destroy any monster on the field whose level is equal to or less than the total level of all destiny heroes on the field." That's still not a GREAT card. targeted destruction removal is the worse. Destiny Heroes need the support though and having an out for both equipment cards and bad removal at least makes them playable.

[@MrJames769]

Vanguard was the 1st TCG I've learned to play and I've tried others but I'm glad Vanguard is getting more looks.

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

I actually did got into vanguard a little bit but none of the people I know that plays it.

[@mickeygarcia5349]

Same

[@Infernoswac]

It’s still a growing game in the States, problem is Bushiroad doesn’t advertise as much as they do in japan. If Bushi advertised Vanguard in the States as much as they did in Japan, the game woulda been beat Pokémon and would be #3 most played card game around the world. (I’m fortunate to have a community of Vanguard players in my place because I went out onto the streets and card shops and kept cramming it down there through until they liked it. The reboot made it easier)

[@anthonycurto9683]

I play

[@defectivesickle5643]

@@Infernoswac The thing is Vanguard has absolutely awful advertising, basically NEEDING the anime to be slightly relevant.

[@Infernoswac]

Sickle I agree with that, that’s my one gripe with Bushiroad. They have ads outs the ass in Japan but in the US it’s very minimal

[@OzbangB]

I remember back in 2008 where you could get away with not playing an archetype and the game lasted more than 5 turns... and was fun.

[@A-Wa]

0zbangb i played in 2004 national championships and could win games with my crazy creative archetype. Thats not possible anymore due to the metas :(

[@underpressure1954]

yugiboomers are annoying as hell

[@hady250]

The thing that i dislike about YGO nowdays are : 1. Too many Archtype/series but only small group got supported to the point oversupported 2. Graveyard? What is that? Many card have effect that active at Graveyard, there is no sense of lose if your card is sent to Graveyard. 3. Many monster type ( aqua, dino, winged-beast, etc) but only small of them got supported. 4. This is a bit bias, but pendulum and link are mistake. 5. Bias again, OTK centered deck. This is game played by 2 people and yet only 1 person actually playing.

[@bigfish5544]

I may agree with everything you've said, but not with the link part. Link nerfed pendulums very Well and made yugioh a much more strategic game.

[@douglima8344]

yugioh should have more type and mechanic support. this way sea serpents would have the same "chance" of being meta as warriors or dragons

[@tyson7208]

If we want dragons to be meta just unban dragon rulers

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

Ty Son That's literally the opposite of what he's saying.

[@tyson7208]

I was just making a joke about dragon rulers but if were being serious my only worry with generic support is that often times it ends up being abused by archetype’s that do not need the help. Just like isolde, or Invoker being abused in gouki because there just generic warrior support. If the support was made to keep such things like that from happening it might barely even qualify as support. archetypal support lets super power up decks without the fear of other decks taking advantage of it. That said generic support allows for more creativity in deck construction which I love in yugioh so who knows maybe a deck like gouki is just a necessary evil for creativity.

[@tesakun3133]

No.

[@GoldenQuickie]

i totally agree with you guys. many, many archetypes in yu-gi-oh have been cold for a very long time now. even new archetypes get left in the dust so fast. also, i think another problem is that there's so many archetypes but only a handful are competitive. which sucks because there are archetypes that have EXTREMELY fun and useful effects and win conditions but they are so restricted and hard to pull off. there's also many archetypes that have more support than "meta" archetypes but yet its still garbage. they can have like 7 traps and 9 spells and still be soooooo underwhelming.

[@xenood9687]

Aka vendreads

[@neverendinchaos4800]

@@xenood9687 Oh. I thought your comment was going to say Blackwings. Sorry haha. That's just a sick burn to my friend who only has the old school Blackwings in real life. I need to help him get a better deck instead of paying out on him all the time. If only he could see this now. Maybe I should get him a playset of the DARK Missus Radiant.

[@tyson7208]

NeverEndinChaos Honest blackwings aren’t even that bad as far as rogue decks though

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

_Sighs in Toons_ I hear ya.

[@eliashardman7190]

The generics wouldn't be an issue. If all of the archetypes were the same then everyone has their pick of lets say clanless cards, obviously Konami woul identify the Meta for each clan and say ok these clans take advanted of clanless cards, but on the other hand this clan and this clan take advantage of a fraction of as many cards and then in the next booster/box you see a few new clanless cards release. And another cool thing about vanguard is that the clans aren't meant to be balanced, there are 3 types protect accel and force and im just a noob but certain ones have a CLEAR definite advantage over another while one other has a clear advantage over them. So your strategy is going to change everytime based on what clan is attacking and also what type ( or w/e its called ) that clan is, instead of like yugioh where besides slowing down your opponent you are basically trying to do the same damn thing every duel... So, this kind of change is not possible, unless they said ok this is yugioh as we know it and well continue to support it and heres yugioh 2.0 for anyone interested, vanguard actually operates much in the same way which wasn't mentioned because there are two versions of vanguard, standard and premium Alec was talking about standard. Standard drops and adds clans from time to time. Premium is much more difficult, clans do not get taken away every clan ever invented is in the game, how do they remain balanced? IDK if they do, but if they do then i'd say its because the fundamentals of the game are different than what we are used to. I think the game play of vangaurd is much more organic where like i said yugioh is basically try to execute your combo and stop your opponent from executing his combo, but basically its the same every time, different but the same.... Vanguard actually requires skill, more like poker in a sense where yeah the luck of the draw matters as it does in yugioh, but like poker skill helps you along and i guess it can be considered skill and know how but yugioh is just remembering combos and counters and vanguard tends to be much more varying and organic than that. Ok enough of a novel bye bye thanks . :)

[@nharviala]

Expanding further upon this video's idea, there's a few more things to point out. First, is that the clans will usually get "equal" support, or at least as much as possible. Each clan is usually pretty unique in how it plays, though there is a small bit of overlay in a few ideas, but if one clan gets a type of card that can assist in gameplay and would theoretically be possible if you can mix clans (which you can't in most tournaments), then the other clans would get that type of effect, as well. It may take a minute for them to get it, like the next couple of sets, but they'll still get it. I know this isn't quite related, but Bushiroad also doesn't screw people with its packs. When we get packs (the next month 90% of the time), the cards will be the same rarity as it was in Japanese, and short prints don't exist, how hard something is to get actually depends on its rarity. Finally, the only thing that Cardfight needs to improve on is its promos, and how quickly we get them here. Unlike their packs, for which there's a month's difference, these cards could take sometimes about a year. Before the Cardfight reboot (which is something else Konami can take a lesson from), there was a card I needed for my Dark Irregulars deck (Wertiger Seiger), that Bushiroad hadn't quite gotten to in promos, so they simply reprinted it in a main pack to ensure it was accessible for those who hadn't been able to get it from the promo, and make sure we were able to get it in the States. Basically, except for the Legion-into-G-Zone issue (Cardfight players will understand what I mean), Bushiroad had a good idea of what they were doing with their game. Everyone at my locals agrees that season 3 (packs 12-15) was the best time to play, and after that people kept losing interest and quitting.

[@llMacias]

Vanguard is a great show and pretty good game

[@Tonyten39]

alvaro macias I agree

[@MECHDRAGON777]

As a big fan of decks that do not get support that often, I can somewhat agree. (Crystal Beasts, Darklord, Evoltile/saur/zar, Mecha-Phantom Beast, Raidraptors) Though I have been wanting to try Vanguard for about five years now but yeah; it is a good idea if one could figure out a good way to balance. I think YGO gets the new features once every three to four years so with a good 568 or so archetypes; if they were to give support once a month, then that would be eleven or twelve per monthly set over the course of four years. So I say it is a very good idea. Most packs have 70+ cards in them, so having six or more cards per archetype could be beneficial? (This is not counting the starter/structure decks out their either as well as the mega-tins.)

[@cseymour-veriod2110]

I agree with what these guys are talking about as a player who's played both YGO and CFV. They didn't go into how Vanguard now has formats which divide the different generations of playstyle, like for example if Konami were to divide players that only wanted to use cards up to the end of GX, 5Ds or Zexal. This allows new players a format where they stand better odds against older players of the game. However there are a few things Vanguard could take away from Yugioh. The most important of which is the notion of banlist as there are some seriously broken combo plays in Vanguard at the moment. Bushiroad (who make the game) do occasionally hit problem cards but they just as often say they'll ban stuff and then not go through with it.

[@ZhadTheRad]

Vanguard has a restriction list if you've forgotten. What cards are so broken they should be banned?

[@xavierpaololedesmamandreza]

Simply put, Cardfight!! Vanguard has more structure in gameplay but very little combo resolve.

[@ignisofficialgaming]

If Yugioh took a Vanguard approach I could see it having certain archetypes merged together if they’re compatible with each other so that the transition is a bit smoother

[@machina5]

Thanks for making this video, Vanguard deserves WAY more attention than it gets. Vanguard is infinitely more fun to play imo. I tried the game out in 2013 and despite multiple attempts, I've never been able to fully enjoy Yugioh since. Games take longer, there's more interaction, strategies are more defined, learning how to manage card advantage is much more important, there aren't as many OTKs, comebacks are more dramatic, you can run favorite deck for 7 years straight and never have to worry about it never getting supported again, it's more diverse in the sense that there are almost always around 10 viable decks, there's no stupid convoluted rulings, and now we even have 2 officially supported formats (one for beginners and casuals and one for people who want to take the game more seriously and enjoy a steeper learning curve. Both formats even have their own world championship). It just isn't backed by nostalgia.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Well, I've played Cardfight Vanguard since the very beginning and I can say that this limited scope can work. As for archetypes culled, when it comes to YuGiOh, they can still get drip fed some generic support and some new stuff that compliments their playstyle. I mean, Agents are the prime example of that happening. As for the whole "boring" assumption, in Vanguard, because it's heavily structured and each playstyle is unique, it's easy for people to get attached to specific units e.g. Silver Thorn Dragon Tamer, Luquier. It also means that even a screenshot will make players jump for joy because the units are very recognisable. In fact, the clan Bermuda triangle thrived on this nostalgia hype to the point that it sacrificed quantity of support for iconography in Prismatic Divas. THey learnt their lesson in Diva's festa and, even now, the clan has had massive success in tournaments.

[@russellbuzarang6390]

Konami could just stop making any more archetype then just update each archetype they already made with supports...

[@samamashkori7357]

Instead of moving forward with more archetypes they could focus more on type such as Beast Warrior Warrior dragon and just put out basic support for those types moving forward for a year to instead of pushing out new and more archetypes which will allow us then be able to use our old favorite archetypes with the new I guess you could say generic support based on the type of monsters that we have

[@Hiushisan]

I Highly agree, there are quite a few types that are undersupported, and making more type specific support will also indirectly support a bunch of archetypes. For example, making some really sweet Pyro support card could greatly improve Volcanics, Flamvells and/or Lavals. We don't need more Archetype specific support as much as generic support that can affect specific decks, though not helping every deck.

[@Infernoswac]

Sama Mashkori I understand what you mean but they need to show love to things that have no love ie, Insects, REPTILES, Pyros, Aqua, SeaSerpants, etc

[@tyson7208]

I see the reasoning but I also fear that that will lead to more broken extra link type stuff. The number one reason broken stuff is made because it’s designed to help particular strategy but is generic that it ends up supporting something that didn’t need the help. Just look at Isolde.

[@Jason0binladen]

I feel vanguard and other games like hearthstone or MTG, handle introducing new cards/strats much better than making all the secret rares in every set broken and short printed

[@baseballgamer1]

As both a Vanguard and YGO player I really enjoyed this video. Let me give you a little insight on the vanguard side. Vanguard has 24 different clans unlike archetypes in YGO. In YGO you are allowed to mix different cards from different archetypes to make unique decks which is good. However in Vanguard you have a much smaller pool choice of cards as you are only allowed to use cards that belong to the clan you play. Clan mixing is not allowed. Every clan has a diverse cemented play style, however Bushiroad (company that promotes VG) does make minor tweaks to those playstyles without changing the clan all together. Recently VG was introduced a "reboot" where the newer sets will contains old reprints from cards from the very beging with alternate skills and strategies and also like similar to MTG we have two formats: standard and premium. In standard only the new card are allowed as in premium all cardf from any set are allowed. Also VG doesn't really have a hge banlist like YGO. Every clan was announced to receive support at least once a year and this method helped the game very much from becoming unhealthy. It gave a fresh start and also is giving new players the opportunity to get into the game much easier. Card prices aren't as crazy as they use to be and the gameplay is simple and easy to learn.

[@sammydray5919]

Lets teach Paul some Vanguard!!!!!!! I think it'll be a fun video :)

[@shadowraveflash]

Do this please

[@Infernoswac]

It would be so dam funny

[@chaosnightravngaming88]

#scharhotdarkness

[@Dunker401]

ChaosNightRavn gaming #LuardRitual

[@derek_2796]

I would love that lol as I love team aps but I have fallen out with yugioh but love vanguard

[@DarkMagiciansMaster]

Love that you acknowledge Vanguard I'm a huge fan of both games. And have always loved that my shadow paladins stay relevant.

[@hellkerbecs88]

Watching this in 2021 ain’t aged well with vanguard resetting again for the 5 nation version of the game instead of 23 clans lol

[@kittikorn6674]

Yeah I quit vanguard when they add like ability or something

[@greendevilmk666]

forgot to mention vanguard has multiple copies of a certain card in their trial deck where as in yugioh you gotta pay for 3 decks to get the same results

[@raptorlewis273]

My only nitpick is that clans and archetypes in Vanguard aren't the same thing. I agree with your thesis (it's why Vanguard is arguably a better game compared to Yugioh). However, archetypes in Vanguard are subgroups within clans that revolve more around each other but don't really contrast with the clan as a whole such as the Liberators of the Gold Paladins, the Eradicators of Narukami, the Amon followers, etc. Those are more in the way of archetypes in Vanguard! But, anyway, great shoutout to Vanguard and yeah, Konami should most definitely take Bushiroad's lead. However, I think it'd have to reboot (Yugioh I mean) for it to work. Vanguard is kinda doing that with the two styles/versions coexisting. But, Yugioh needs that reboot or rotation or whatever the term for it would be. (Finally, great clan choice! I'm a Narukami player as well as an occasional Kagero and Granblue player but I got mad respect for what Spike Brothers can do! They're definitely fun as hell to play against!) One final addendum: Yugioh NEEDS costs and limits to spells, traps and special summons per turn! The ability to infinitely special summon per turn was the dumbest mechanic ever! It wasn't a problem in the beginning but they never fixed it to combat XYZs and Synchro bullshit!! Also, Life Points should cap out at 10,000 to combat Life gaining BS. Those are just a few examples of what core changes are needed to save Yugioh and can help pick which archetypes get salvaged for the Vanguardesque rotation since it'd weed out most of them.

[@Medbread]

It’s funny that you used the Vanguard G logo cuz the G series got rotated out recently and the entire series was basically rebooted, with the new official format being the Standard format. Essentially, the company probably thought there were too many clans to keep updating so they, in Yugioh terms, they got rid of Synchro, Xyz, Pends, Links, everything, and brought it back to episode 1 of Ygo Duel Monsters. But it’s cool cuz you guys don’t really play the game that often

[@doorbladder5735]

Mordred 『???』 actually the new format for vanguard is just only the new cards and nothing else. Premium is a side thing, where you can mix new cards and the older cards into one deck.

[@Medbread]

Duckbill Gyze Sorry, I messed up the name, but aside from that, everything I said was the same as what you said.

[@doorbladder5735]

Mordred 『???』 true, I mean, I was ready to quite literally burn all my g decks.

[@emmemttc]

@@Medbread er, no since the still do support prem with prem collection and some cards in v era do unintentionally supports cards in prem.

[@Tonyten39]

“Stand up, Vanguard!” “Arise, my avatar! Blaster Blade!!”

[@kikuri7673]

Where ever the light, darkness will consume. Rise my avatar, Blaster Dark!

[@LtApples101]

“Witness the embodiment of pain and destruction, the triumph of shadows Bound in servitude to my eyes! Cross-ride! Phantom Blaster Overlord!”

[@kakyoinkaido1824]

Put an end to all. Come forth, Eternal Apocalypse! This is the beginning of the end, Eternal Apocalypse! The End shall fall!

[@karch19]

Arise my avatar chron jet dragon

[@ericthemadscientist8357]

Getto Triple Crit!!!

[@xStoertebeker]

the problem with YGO is that Konami is Power Creeping every damn time, Cards like ROD or CED were banned for a life time BUT after 5Ds and XYZ Konami came out with such even more powerfull cards who are far way easier to summon then CED and they negate his effect too, but no, they keeping him banned but now after he got his errata he is dead, he is unplayable now.....Konami keeps just banning cards that are NOT OP theyre just strong against the true OP cards out there, thats very disapointing now its just about who has the luck to to get his OTK / FTK combo through first, thats not fun anymore......i think Cardfight Vanguard should get more attention this game deserve it pretty much, its a well fair balanced card game

[@RiZeArooski]

A lot of the crappy archetypes in yugioh are simply to get young players interested in the game. I know because I played every bad archetype growing up simply because they were easier to come across and had much simpler combos

[@456jm]

What Yu-Gi-Oh! could learn from Cardfight!! Vanguard: 1. Allow players to mulligan (redraw) their starting hand while the player who goes first can't attack until their next turn. This helps add more skill to the game while also reducing the risk of a OTK by setting back the player with their "God hand" a couple of turns. Most Yu-Gi-Oh! players will probably think that this is a handicap but compared to most other TCG / CCG's it isn't. 2. Limit the number of archetypes to where they're on par with the number of clans in Vanguard. It's less linear in Vanguard compared to Yu-Gi-Oh! where it renders a lot of cards to be completely useless unless there's enough adequate support for it to be able to compete in said format. Better yet why not give these linear cards some modular abilities to make them more flexible? 3. Restructure Organized Play for both games to Best 2 out of 3 Swiss matches instead of Best of 1 Single / Double Elimination while also including Top Cut. ARG had already adopted this tournament structure for their Vanguard events which has made it difficult for Bushiroad to host official tournaments since they prefer Best of 1 Single / Double Elimination. 4. Follow the rules of the actual TCG / CCG in the Anime / Manga instead of making stuff up just to sell merchandise to a younger demographic. Shouldn't be too hard to pull off If Bushiroad can do it. Yu-Gi-Oh! was too focused on selling the anime / manga instead of the actual game that it's based on until the TCG / OCG rose in popularity. 5. Fix the pull rates on booster boxes to where each player is guaranteed to pull a specific rarity out of the box instead of every other box. The same can be said for just about every other TCG / CCG where the Singles Market is more lucrative without having to gamble on a $100+ box just to get the cards you need for a deck. 6. Encourage more player interaction instead of games becoming about who wins first at Solitaire. Granted Yu-Gi-Oh! does have ways to deal with threats on the board however without something you basically lose automatically with one easily summoned Monster Card. The Egyptian God cards are an exception because they were originally designed to be overpowered. 7. Implement an actual resource system to the game without making the old cards obsolete due to power creep. Normal Summons and your Graveyard don't count since it's relatively easy to Special Summon Monsters without needing specific Monsters on the field to perform a Tribute Summon. While there is a resource limitation on cards being summoned you're still not really paying an actual "cost".

[@defectivesickle5643]

My guy, a Mulligan in Yugioh would absolutely break the game, period.

[@Navek15]

Honestly, a more controlled and stable meta where every deck gets equal support would make the game more balanced. Example: Today on Duelingbook, I decided to trial run a Trickstar/Sky Striker deck. My opponent got annihilated even though he had a really thought out and cool Destiny Hero deck. A great game should be one where everyone has a fair shot at winning. And honestly, while I love Yu-Gi-Oh!, I think it kind of needs an overhaul.

[@notthatthenamematters6163]

I wished konami instead of banning cards (unless they are broken by themselves) banned having certain cards in the same deck, instead of having banned firewall they shoud have baned using firewall with cards that make it broken

[@Zenron9000]

I love vanguard so much, but I only have my best friend to play, my local shop doesn’t have any players, so I think I’m about to start a revolution or sum over here

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

I'm close to doing that

[@NobleManager]

Same

[@gedewika3500]

Here in my country just like 4-5 years ago. Vanguard was really booming here like in card shop, table that was used to play ygo was changed to play Vanguard. Like when ygo booming there are only table to play ygo but after Vanguard come 80percent of the table was taken for Vanguard. But it's 4-5 years ago, now it's perfectly balance again. But I admit Vanguard kinda more fun than yugioh. But now I'm only played ygo.

[@summer4593]

I moved over from yugioh to vanguard for a few reasons. 1) I know that my clan will always have some form of support which will freshen it up a little, even if it doesn't push it up the ranks competitively. 2) There's enough diversity between and within the clans so that it doesn't get old but not so many that they can't possibly support everything within the space of a year. 3) the reboot was only really necessary after about half way through G format without excessive bans, limits or rotations which is very impressive and allows me to play the cards I want. 4) The solid pacing of the game allows for decent back and forth and not just 3 turn games lasting 5 minutes. I like yugioh but I think the meta game is out of hand and I think it could benefit from a reboot like vanguard.

[@animerobbie]

personally I switched from YGO to Vanguard 2 years ago and haven't really looked back because the thing about Bushiroad (vanguards company) they really listen to the fan base which is something i feel Konami doesn't do. When I was playing YGO it was always casual but that was because the meta was always to intimidating for me personally. Others sure have the guts to swing round a "none meta deck" but I never did. This is one of the reasons Vanguard was so amazing for me and where I think the problem Konami would face comes in. Vanguards games are structured quite differently than YGO and most Vanguard players I think would agree its a very different game. The only way that I could imagine the Vanguard system working would be if Konami does what Vanguard is currently doing and that's a full on reboot. Sure it's a bit of a culture shock but I think that if they wanna do what Bushiroad does with their clans they are gonna need to start from the ground up. Select archetypes which are really good and reset to a simpler system that can be expanded. The only problem with this is Konami is racking in the cash with how many sets people have to buy to stay competitive and if they do what Vanguard has done they risk a big fallout but that's in my opinion, feel free to disagree, the only wanna they could start doing the Bushiroad system this late.

[@luigiattina1250]

I left yugioh for a very simple reason....my deck was either killed with the ban list, and my archetype never got support. Vanguard is more balanced and I've been rocking the same deck forever in the standard format now, and as time goes I can update that same deck. Plus I dig that the company separated the formats

[@elin111]

Vanguard limiting you into only using cards from one clan is really what makes it very hard for a card to be hit on the banlist (yes VG has a banlist but there's barely anything on it), since cards can only be used in the deck they're intended to be in there's very little chance players will figure out exploits that abuse the card in unintended ways. It has happened before with stuff like Jewel Knight, Swordy but those are isolated incidents. In Yugioh it is pretty much the norm that whenever a new good card comes out someone will figure out some degenerate exploit using it in decks other than the intended one. Link Monsters really highlight that flaw in the game because of how absurdly generic they are. The downside with clans is that deckbuilding is more restrictive but in my opinion is a fair compromise.

[@ARCHIVEDSTUDIOS]

Vanguard for me is the only TCG I'll ever play. I played Yugioh way before it became a lot more complicated with the link monsters, I think when I was still in my post childhood age at 11 years old. I like the old Yugioh compared to its modern version. For Vanguard, even though its been split into two forums of Standard and Premium, its still very much understandable for anyone who wants to play the game. And I agree that Yugioh can learn a thing or two from Vanguard especially about Yugioh's Arche types.

[@kiirei1130]

Power creep will always exist. But there is no true tier 0 or 0.5 since theres so many clans that can do so much at once in vg. Also triggers exist

[@sammydray5919]

What Vanguard Format and Clan do you play?? I am a newer player so I am currently playing Standard Format and the Oracle Think Tank Deck :)

[@niamatio5932]

Im a vangaurd player to i play both standerd and last format with g units i heard Oracle think tank was good

[@starbound100]

Currently transitioning to standard, in G I used Dark Irregulars, but I am currently thinking of picking up link joker. Should I do it? Italian player by the way, so yeah, having to build 2 decks is kinda dumb.

[@nathanmatthews4094]

Will be playing Gold Paladin and Angel Feather once it's standard support come out in December.

[@christianalarid7835]

Playing oracle think tank is pretty much about guessing the top card of your deck alot for effects but the deck lets you stack the top of your deck with the units you want up there

[@christianalarid7835]

@@nathanmatthews4094 I'm waiting for Musketeers myself

[@Scrubwick]

For the to be implemented would require a complete rework of the game, I’m not fully opposed to that but I think most people would only accept it if this was an additional format (e.g. current format and an unlimited format with the new cards) funnily enough vanguard just did the same thing

[@brandonneilsta.teresa3494]

As a Vanguard player and a subscriber of this channel for 5 years, I'm crying tears of joy acknowledging our game!

[@gwarguraqueentrickstarcoat9110]

Same here

[@lurano8472]

One thing about Vanguard that Yu-Gi-Oh could learn from is giving every deck an equal opportunity to compete. In Vanguard, every deck has sufficient support, each archtype is given an opportunity to win. A non-meta deck like could defeat tier 1 decks. Every person can play their favourite deck and stand a chance against others, especially nowadays with the Premium Format. In Yu-Gi-Oh, decks like Dark Magician don't really stand a chance against meta decks. In short, Yu-Gi-Oh should learn to make all decks fair. (Ahem Neos Ahem)

[@djblade3688]

Sometimes knowing your match ups and raw skill can bring you a Top out of nowhere in vanguard.

[@AmberMetallicScorpion]

Thing is cardfight vanguard has 3 levels to the whole archetype thing. Starting off at the very top you have branches (from memory they are the: United sanctuary, dark zone, Dragon empire, zoo branch, and megalanica) each with their own theme (United sanctuary=religion vs science, dark zone=edgelord stuff, Dragon empire=dragons, zoo branch=animals and plants, megalanica is your aquatic stuff) and each clan belongs to a branch. In each clan you can have any combination of cards within that clan as long as it equals 50 cards, has an FV (short for future vanguard or the card you start with in your vanguard zone at the start of each match) and a set amount of triggers (they offer different power ups, there are critical triggers which gives a unit of your choice extra attack and it makes your opponent take 1 extra damage, heal triggers which removes a unit from the damage done and sends it to the drop zone if you have an equal or higher damage count than your opponent, also gives attack to a unit of your choice front triggers, previously stand triggers but with a slight change. A front trigger gives all of your front row extra attack whereas a stand trigger would stand a unit at rest and gives one of your units attack and finally draw triggers which gives a unit attack and let's you draw an extra card) think of clans like an attribute if we were to draw parallels now, within each clan there are to an extent archetypes, take the genesis clan for example with the battle maiden archetype or the goddess of ____ archetype, archetypes mean absolutely nothing though

[@gurth-quake1627]

4 man tournament, have a 5th person hide the tins everywhere in one of your houses. The four people need to find tins (with a max number depending on how many tins there are) then build a deck with the cards you've gathered and play the tournament like that. And i am an ancient gear person, and they need a support to make them slightly faster because if I get two specific cards in my hand, i know i can get chaos giant in one turn, but only one of them is easy to search, and that is because it's a field spell, but the other one is a normal spell and there aren't many searches for normal spells, and If I added them, it would be a kind of waist of space and make it way too clunky because it would bring it to the 50s. I seem to have gotten around this by finding a way to get tripple reactor dragons, but that doesn't help against a power house monster like assult blackwing: chidori the sprinkling, which my brother can get out at 5000 attack before I get 2 reactor dragons out, and completely wrecks me.

[@thechazz8080]

Vanguard also has it's flaws and some that are kind of in the edge and take a while to see. The show got a reboot, the only problem is that right off the bat one deck is already topping everything and they haven't exactly made an answer to it. We are a few sets in and nothing seems to challenge it besides maybe a two or three clans. Besides that they just found out they should raise the rarity drop on cards cause each box only came with one vanguard rare (which is necessary for each deck.) Besides that, I hope the reboot doesn't have the same issues that the old G era had which was the secondary market. Some clans suffered from not getting support or never getting reprints, Some cards were 20 and above and you needed 4 of them. But yes, Yugioh can learn from some things, not all. Yugioh just has too many archetypes to essentially try and support all, and unlike Vanguard, Yugioh has been around almost as long as Magic, it would be a difficult task.

[@CHRONOTHEMANGAKA]

Heir Zuko Vanguard didn’t get a reboot,it’s the adaptation of the manga

[@thunderhogTH]

While I get the points made here, the main problem is that in order to implement most of this change, you would essentially have to reboot the franchise and essentially start an entirely new format where cards are basically archetype locked, which Ironically vanguard has also done recently as the game got so power crept as of season that they literally hit a ceiling and had to reboot the game, creating a new rotation like magic the gathering where all previously released cards would be banned from the new standard format. Basically imagine that after V-rains, we got a new standard format that got rid of master rule 4, but every card released from V-rains and prior wasn't legal for standard play and would be relegated to legacy play (much like GOAT format tournaments) Also It's a bit less popular, but for those who are interested in handing powercreep, I'd suggest looking into Futurecard Buddyfight (I swear that name is stupid but its good), which is also done by the guys who do Vanguard. The games about 5 years old as of now and handles while it does dish out new waves of archtypes and play styles, It always makes sure to sprinkle in 2 or 3 legacy support card for older archetypes that let them keep up with the current meta without needing a full overhaul.

[@djblade3688]

Buddy fight try’s but most those decks still need more support than they give to keep up. I think if they split up the support into two boxes they could do better.

[@Virgil200]

I think Konami also might be able to do this by making more generic cards that support different mechanics

[@trip2439]

If only yugioh were better.... I loved that game, but I quit playing because of how it is. Honestly I would happily sacrifice any of my favorite archtypes in order to see better balance added.

[@danthewildbirdman]

Vanguard is so much fun and I wish they had more events to play at.

[@mlaunder1995]

I've been playing vanguard for 6 years and find it easier to learn than yugioh and the meta is different each set and grows. I love yugioh don't get me wrong but vanguard is so much better.

[@jamesdeanfuertes7569]

I think some of Cardfight Vanguard producers are Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monster's and Duel Masters producers and concept designers

[@farouk9167]

I just started vanguard and it’s really cool and the art work is the best. It’s so much more simpler than yugioh.

[@nekogentia]

true. its easy to learn and play cardfight vanguard than yugioh

[@Bezaliel13]

Except, yugioh is not centered around archetypes, as in you are not forced to play only cards under the same flag. p.s. I know Buddyfight was the one with flags. It was just easier an example to use.

[@jefftheninja8293]

Is there a similar archetype to gear chronicle in vanguards? Gear Chronicle was my favorite out of all the clan. I quit about a year ago when they added the new mechanic.

[@ludovictatlot7165]

Yugioh learn about vanguard one thing: Legion summon they turn as Maximum summon in rush duel.

[@timidangel9688]

I think this is a great system especially for players like me who play I'll admit it bad archetypes. It would be fun to get new support more frequently. (I'm working on a Silent deck just because I love Silent Magician and Swordsman) Also I think another thing Yu-Gi-Oh needs are official full arts.

[@starbound100]

Timid Angel as a vanguard player, I admit that I feel pretty blessed having some of the full-arts we have, some are really gorgeous.

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

Maybe you could do this with the new bakugan reboot talking about spinmaster's interaction with it's fan base and most importantly it's content creators, maybe get cimo or a bakugan centered channel like RxXxC or nerdy friends as a guest on the channel to discuss this

[@danujaa.4459]

I wanna sum it up like this! Yugioh has an Identity crisis. Like Take their word for example! Yugioh has way too many archetypes! And Vanguard has only......24 Clans?! WHAT?! No surprise that Vanguard is more new then Yugioh and Something I learned while playing Vanguard, is the people are different. Like they don’t replicate the top meta decks, they upgrade their decks or Sub-Clans which is what we consider Archtypes. If I get someone that says “I know too much Vanguard, Don’t play Yugioh!”, Well too bad! I already quit Yugioh, I only watch them to what is going on in the Community. In all Honesty, APS Alec, If you and I were to see each other, I would praise you! For doing something most Yugi-Tubers never do, and that is enter “rival” territory. Why did I put Rival in quotes, The two card games aren’t in competition against each other, at all. For the Anime, Vanguard makes seem more of a Card game as it is in real life. Yugioh though......why does replicate every Shounen anime if it does? IDK? It is just so different and I like that about Vanguard, It is different, better distribution of clans, and Lots of possibilities.

[@DadBodShang]

Wow I'm honestly impressed. The things you addressed in this video are the exact reason why I stopped playing yugioh and picked up vanguard instead.

[@livedandletdie]

I've stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh! altogether, but I still have my CFV decks. Although I rarely play that too, I rarely meet my friends due to always working when everybody else is free.

[@bluerose1217]

For me it's less complicated and the combo's you see in the game your likely to actually do your self for most games

[@ketogenicknowledge245]

Konami needs to ramp up their support for already existing archetypes. Updated Lightsworn, Gladiator Beasts, etc support.

[@landengoodman5989]

Great idea for the Lightsworn! They need better support. I have some lightsworn cards, and they need support! PLEASE KONAMI, MAKE LIGHTSWORN SUPPORT!

[@briansantos1700]

I agree. I play Dragunity and Fabled (mostly to bore my opponents with long combos), and I haven't seen much of what they need to go up against the current meta, what with Monarchs messing up my game.

[@doorbladder5735]

Ketogenic Knowledge we’ll keep dreaming

[@royalmusic5s100]

I play vanguard religiously, as seen by my PFP. Sometimes I’m proud sometimes and sometimes our community sucks complete ass. Also vanguard is much more keyword based. Most people build decks around one clan, and supportive keywords or certain clan specific effects.

[@Ninja_Bryden]

Also with the reboot, Bushi has the power ceiling from G taken into account, so it is familiar to VG when it first started, but with better art, much MUCH better effects, and a power ceiling that can be built upon rather than replaced like what happened to cross riding, LB, break ride, and legion.

[@SealFormulaMaster]

As someone who use to play Vanguard up until Aqua Force (Then retried and requit again when Strides came out), there are some things to mention. 1: Each Clan has something special about it that no other Clan has. For example, there's a Clan called Link Joker whose main focus is called "Lock". The "Lock" ability prevents the use of a Unit and turns it face down as a way to "Banish" it from the game. No other Clan (At least when I was playing) had that ability. 2: Each Clan can play several different ways. My first deck was Majesty Paladin. The deck was based on the Royal Paladin Clan, but it had a Unit called Majesty Lord Blaster, which used a Unit from the Shadow Paladin Clan. But Royal Paladin could also be built for Alfred Legion. I really don't think this would work for Yugioh, simply because of how the game is designed. In Vanguard, it's always best to play the newest stuff because those are the most powerful things. Can my Majesty Paladin deck do well right now? Sure, but it's been power crept, and there's basically no cards released that supports my strategy. It becomes the exact same problem we have right now. Sure, I can keep playing Royal Paladins, but I might not be able to keep playing my Majesty Paladin deck.

[@alexreyes4459]

Have yet to watch but already know what its about(i think). Archetype lock that limits playstyle and additionally no generic support. Btw i play vanguard too! Hercules, royal paladins, nova grappler, and aqua force !!!! Its popular at my shop

[@defectivesickle5643]

In contrast to many people in the comment sections, I jumped from Vanguard to YGO. I loved the deck variety and the interaction between players, and it's a lot more dependant on your skill of the game, whereas in Vanguard the game can be decided in one turn purely from a lucky drive check

[@StretchDattass]

An easy way to compliment this is either make 1 or 2 archetypes per type, or 3 to 5 per attribute. If attribute, 3 attributes with 1 archetype each set giving the previous archetype a few cards every time after the first each time to keep them relevant, if types same thing but bump it up to 5 or 6 a set.

[@thephilociraptor8032]

Love Vanguard, highly recommend it

[@Anthony_Cantos]

I Play nova grapplers: The Victor build. It's honestly really fun to me since my friend gave it to me as a birthday present 3 years ago and I've just been making it better with all the new support that's come out for it over the years

[@emmanuelzermeno1588]

It's nice to see that some people actually know the existence of Vanguard

[@TheHakeemx1]

You guys do make some points. It's not like I haven't thought about this before. At one point I even tried making a card game that builds on the strengths of things like Yugioh and Vanguard, however, I could never define a distinct battle system that's different from them. I just ended up creating a more complicated version of vanguard where all the cards can be used as triggers so to speak at the risk of card advantage. To try and eliminate the some of the stall never changing meta and invite players to use different cards than each other rather than a particular build.

[@deadmanflames1726]

Thank you for breaching out to other games I Know there alot of Yu-Gi-Oh players who dis other games without trying them but it nice to see a video that combination these 2 games I love in such a good way!

[@merlin4379]

In my opinion, I think links ruined yu-gi-oh. Pendulums, again in my opinion, should have been the games final mechanic. I just find the whole link system a bit too complex, and with the new rules of having to have a link or only have 1 extra deck monster and merging the spell, trap and pendulum zone to 5 has made pendulum summoning pointless. I sure miss the old days...

[@jorieboy11]

I agree. I don’t like links either. Links are nothing but combo extenders. The problem with links is that they’re way too generic. Just like 2+ effect monsters. In that case every deck can make use of broken cards like firewall dragon and borrelsword.

[@SaiyanTCG]

Great video! I think they could probably combine alot of the types together and make them sub-architypes. But i think it might be late for that because you would have to essentially reprint all cards because they would have to errata so many cards to make them fall under smaller groups to print support. As for the mega tins, I say a "Search for Scrambled Egg V2" would be funny since it was reprinted in the tins

[@heinrichkreuser2659]

Also, about the 200 archetypes thing, Vanguard has 24 clans, but within those clans, there are several archetypes as well. I would say there are roughly 100 archetypes in total in Vanguard (As each clan just needs to have 4-5 archetypes per for that to be the case) (which it definitely does). Thing is tho, that some archetypes do indeed die off eventually. But they do get supported time to time, but atleast players get to stick to their favorite clan, even if their favorite archetype in that clan isn't being supported very often.

[@Lexi-wc5ze]

I’m starting to learn Vanguard for this very reason; everything gets support and is playable. Although I will say, some of the cards are ridiculously expensive in comparison to YGO, which can sometimes be bad itself.

[@mychemicalrobert]

The clans are kind of like archetypes, but Vanguard also has archetypes, and what we like to call, sub-clans, as well. So you have your clan, but you also have archetypes within that clan. Sometimes you can make a hybrid deck with multiple archetypes, and sometimes there are restrictive skills that require you to play almost purely one archetype (which we usually call a sub-clan).

[@elin111]

Clans are close to monster types than archetypes.

[@tatsukuruienjich7366]

A clan like kagero(since the first season many years ago before the new reboot)has many archetypes such as Overlord,Blade master,Seal Dragons and Perdition.And the clan gets many support cards per set.