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[@raymondelbazouni7802]

Problem is the cards can be expensive but the rewards from the events are not worth the amount of time and effort

[@MegaCapitalG]

You ain’t telling no lies

[@ollievirus6695]

I was going to type this, but you sure beat me to it.

[@neogalactic1195]

You're spitting facts but thats been the case since forever. No one tries to become a true traveling YCS competitor in yugioh for the prizing though. You either do it out of love for the game or satisfying a competitive itch and fulfillment. Thats why I always say that if you're not trying to compete and go in, you should not buy those 70+ cards.

[@wrought-ironheroEMIYA]

What are the rewards most of the time? I plan on getting into the irl card game when im more stable financially so im a bit curious

[@andrewalvarez4975]

@@wrought-ironheroEMIYAreally bad, mostly deck boxes and mats, no money or prizes worth say over $300 and if you get top 2 you do get a prize card from ycs but they aren’t playable as they were before so they don’t break the bank either

[@SpectreXS]

We all know how this is gonna work out: People will keep paying for it and nothing will change. I have zero faith when it comes to complaints about card game or video game releases. Everyone complains about stuff, including the price tags, but can't keep themselves from dumping money into these hobbies. With this kind of consumer, Konami is right about doing nothing about this, keeping the price tag problem the same.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

Exactly if we say x cards isnt worth the price and we dont buy they drop. If we just buy a card up it raises. Wanted went from 50 to 130. When it was 50 no one blame konami, now its 130 its their falut??? 😂😂 We dont have to buy it or sell it at that price.

[@apertureb2247]

TBF its killing yugioh in american LGS

[@RaulLopez-ee5qm]

You are absolutely right. Thanks to the Yu-Gi-Oh community, they have to pay higher prices in the future. I still don't know why they complain so much about the price, if they willing to pay for it.

[@SoloFan87]

It’s the truth. I have said this numerous times and as typical with the Yugioh community. They ignore and keep buying.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

@@RaulLopez-ee5qm Also we say Nexus was bad no money cards, say age was a good set, Age prices go up now konami is greedy.... our community is weird

[@captvalstrax]

As long as people are willing to buy $100+ for a card, nothing is going to change.

[@bryanmerel]

To put context, TCG SP Little Night cost $100 or more. OCG SP Little Night only cost $11 dollars. Also, OCG foil has good card stock, TCG Foil is as sensitive as a guy's scrotum to changing Temperatures, turning into a Taco with the slightest Cold Breeze.

[@DarkMessmer]

​@@bryanmerelthats why you use sleeves or even Double sleeves also the ocg is extremly different they Print those cards in more than one rarity wich would be cool in tcg i would Take a superrare little night any time too but for some reasons konami tcg doesnt Print cards in multiple raritys except by giving them Starlights and a Like

[@DarkMessmer]

Well i still have the Hope that noone buys a Pyro rota for 100+ Dollar and the price will drop

[@bryanmerel]

So apparently we have 3 rarity for S:P little night. Still, lowest Rarity in TCG was freaking $125 dolars in average as of writing.🤦

[@cbgg1585]

Ngl, I did this. I won $3500 with my multi bet I placed on soccer/football and tennis matches with the spare $200 I had lying around and used a large chunk of it to buy the Diabellstar engine+ SP Little Knight and the necessary snake eye cards. I know I shouldn’t have just because I can afford it, but l won’t lie, it was essentially “free” money and I couldn’t resist.

[@Sheikah_Architect]

The worst part is that Bonfire will definitely be limited to one eventually

[@UBUB101]

No the actual worst part about this is that ygo players are dumb enough to buy bonfire at those prices

[@LoadPast]

​@@UBUB101whales gonna whale. Game is effectively p2w for most of the playerbase at this point

[@Po-tp3xm]

And reprinted. Then the cycle repeats.

[@ozzyb6595]

@@UBUB101the most cringe thing I hear from players that don’t realize they contribute to this bullshit is “I know it’s expensive, but guys this card is needed, so you might as well pick it up while it’s low” huge emphasis on “low”. People don’t realize how stupid that logic is.

[@Rabbitlord108]

It should've been an E Call for Volcanics. Yeah it was used by someone in the anime who DIDN'T use a card from that archetype. But someone in the GX anime used Mischief of the Time Goddess. But that didn't stop Konami from making it a card that only works with Valkyries.

[@BingeThinker1814]

Konami has always been too greedy for its own good. The power creep has always been so blatantly for profit, ahead of what makes the game healthy. Yuigoh seems like a shell of the game it used to be, and it seems like the only people who still play it, are doing it because of commitment and consistency. Like, they've already gone this far, so why not; sorta logic. I doubt anyone actively picks up Yugioh these days.

[@acasualgameryt6978]

It feels like they're even trying to power creep maxx c by making decks with maxx c line, spreading summon to both player turns, and having less summon in general.

[@tootsie_]

People have quit when the game was bad. I remember a dip in players back during 2016-17, the Firewall formats. The problem is that the game is fun but hella expensive.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

To be fair we say the format is diverse, but now its too expensive? Snake eyes maybe expense, but this doesnt apply to every deck

[@user-jx1jr3gs8t]

I picked up the game in the last year but only in MD because it's not possible for me to play paper and i will say i have an average skill level by now reaching master 1 with meta and non meta decks the game is pretty fun even now my only complaint is maxx c and stun variants So i see it being possible to pick up the game right now

[@tootsie_]

@@user-jx1jr3gs8t MD and TCG are extremely different formats. You also don't need to skill lock yourself. You can play TCG format on YGO Omega

[@connermorgan9223]

Bonfire is Rota. It's a freaking Rota. One of the most basic kind of cards in the game. Hell Fossil Dig was a common when it was released. And it was so obviously rarity bumped to the highest point possible to $screw$ over the players. It almost feels like it was done with malicious intent at this point. I think that's why this card in particular is becoming the straw that's breaking the camel's back.

[@bass-dc9175]

" It almost feels like it was done with malicious intent at this point." I think at this point we can just cut out the first part: -It almost feels like- it was done with malicious intent at this point.

[@blainejuliet1448]

It’s sad that it’s even more expensive and the card is conceptually worse than ROTA because it targets pyros(infamously worst type at least in the past) and actually has a hard once per turn vs Rota that has to stay at one for said reason

[@EliteElk221]

There is no "feels like" with the TCG, it is always done with 100% malicious intent. "How?" you may ask, the answer my friend is (and I am not even close to joking/BSing) Gambling laws. In Japan, gambling laws are EXTREMELY strict on just about anything that you can gamble with or on, ESPECIALLY things targeted towards children. This results in OCG packs printing EVERY SINGLE card released at normal rarities with the higher tier ones like secret and platinum and such only being rare variations in the same set for collectors purchases (literally the Rarity Collection 1, as it was a direct copy from OCG.) HOWEVER, these consumer protection laws DO NOT exist in the U.S. or other western nations for some unfathomably stupid reason, resulting in Konami and other eastern game dev's/producers acting in EXTREMELY predatory and underhanded ways outside of Japan (literally Rarity Collection 2, the exact opposite of Rarity Collection 1 and a TCG exclusive.) That is why they run extremely basic cards that in context can make decks tier 0 as the highest rarity limited prints as they can AND they can legally get away with essentially theft and outright illegal gambling involving children (that is, if you follow the spirit and intent on anti-gambling laws anyways.) It's not just YGO either, it's ANYTHING Konami touches outside of Japan and this includes video games (why microtransactions on JRPGs are so egregious here but not Japan) AND it's also why companies like EA get to screw consumers with loot-boxes and other shady (and what should be considered illegal) business practices. While players have a LOT to do with the state of the game and it's monetization as others in this comments section have pointed out, there is also a huge legal component as well that I think people are too scared to mention for fear of being called a commie, it's very much ANTI-Capitalist to hurt the consumer as they are how you make money. Konami makes most of it's money in Japan and doesn't respect or care about us dirty foreigners. Be a true capitalist and protect the people that make the system function for the inventors/investors, the consumer.

[@EliteElk221]

@MegaCapitalG see my bellow comment to answer the "why doesn't Konami do the right thing?" question everyone somehow always has.

[@redcoma100]

This is one of the reasons I'll stick to playing either master duel or if i play irl. I'll just play with my friends.

[@BillythaJit]

I’m a filthy casual and it’s been the most fun I’ve had in Yugioh in a long time

[@batzgameguru]

Facts

[@ChadKing69]

You can also play Time Wizard formats for a lot cheaper than modern decks

[@rougeassassin369]

Been having fun with YGO OMEGA 😊

[@SelfReassuringTitle]

These side sets would work if they were like $50 AND the ultras were like 6-9 a box.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

They end up hitting that 😂😂

[@SirFailsalot91]

_How could you ever pitch such an idea?? Don't you remember that Konami is just a small indie company? They _*_need_*_ to convince players and third-party sellers to buy this set in order to make their money from the whales - you wouldn't want them to go out of business and Yugioh to just die, would you???_

[@JosephBrannon]

That's basically what wixoss does for it's standard sets lol

[@CaptainMarvel4Ever]

I swear, my neck hurts from the sheer whiplash of all these controversies we've been facing. Really now, we used to tease Magic players for things like their parent company being evil or insane gate keeping prices. Now we all just look like a bunch of clowns. The last straw for me is the news of Thrust being short printed. I was originally going to play a Fire King deck since I could go budget by getting 3 structures, then throwing in a few staples, and enjoy the year of fire. Now though? no way I'm spending that much on a deck that I simply like best out of all the current ones. As such, when I saw the Thrust reprint I was happy since I have a rogue deck that becomes much more viable with Thrust. Then we find out that the reprint Konami knows people want this badly is being under printed to artificially add scarcity? Nope, not taking part. I think I'm just gonna put the paper game on the back burner until we get those cool new Ancient Gear cards. Shame too, because after the rarity collection I felt so much more like building more decks. Having all those great staples just floating around that I pulled from those packs means I could take my bulk commons, just buy a few engine pieces, throw the staples in, and boom. I've got an 80-90% power deck with little effort. Imagine that, by making chase cards more widely available, I felt like buying even more product since I knew it was easier to build more decks. Now? now I just don't feel like buying much of anything. There is one bit of good news though. I may be moving to Asia, so I don't need to put up with Konami America/Europe's insanity and disrespect.

[@darkwyrm21]

This is why I gave up playing the physical card game years ago and have been playing Dueling Nexus, Duel Links, and Master Duel exclusively because with online simulators like Dueling Nexus, Dueling Book, EDOPro, and YGOOmega you have access to every card currently available in the game and can even play with some of the newer cards coming out in the sets to come before they're even physically released

[@nicksnovelreviews8733]

This is why I only play casually with a friend. If you don’t invest you “suck” in the eyes of the community.

[@emanuelmoreno2272]

This, if someone tells you You suck as a player bc of a 100$ card released this week then he sucks as a person

[@ShayneRawls]

Lucky you. I don't have a friend that plays anymore. I don't have a locals and for some reason my area doesn't have Regionals anymore

[@nicksnovelreviews8733]

@@ShayneRawls locals are usually terrible. I went a few times and faced the same decks everytime and saw the same combos for 4 hours

[@paleasaghost-5799]

​@@nicksnovelreviews8733 depends on the size, but people who "invest" in Meta wanna win of course. Had a lot of fun with private tournaments, which had more casual decks.

[@user-jx1jr3gs8t]

​@@nicksnovelreviews8733what deck ?

[@eondrache7786]

So we want multiple good cards at high rarity so that the prices of packs go down, yet age of overlord has 6 of the 10 secret rares being good and still features Imsety at $60 for.... idk why? It even has a $30 ultra. While I agree Konami is definitely riding it, I think the fact that bonfire sold out immediately rather than anyone going "Wait, thats expensive" is a bit more telling. The players are ok with this. Players need to change first for anything to happen.

[@Amazonessamy]

Exactly, as long as people pay these prices nothing changes.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

People are just implusive

[@blackheart_1852]

This is why I moved to digital yugioh years ago, the trend has been slowly building for years and I knew we'd hit this point eventually. And clearly tcg Konami doesn't really care because the price hikes cause grifters to buy product in bulk so they can the resell them.

[@galaxycomicnerd7703]

Lmao

[@Rabbitlord108]

Konami should lose the license. And now to answer who the license should go to. I say give it back to Bandai. Yeah they made the OG not good Yugioh card game. But my argument is that its been TWENTY FIVE YEARS. I would be okay with letting them have another chance.

[@apertureb2247]

Konami making the game like this is also forcing many LGS to stop selling sealed yugioh entirely. They sell their products at such a high cost and players refuse to buy them so stores tend to open the product for singles....and then the secret rares are pack filler par like 2. Its a loss all around.

[@cuttlefish6839]

They opened them and set these prices to begin with. Secondary market is controlled by stores and players. These presale prices are stores being scumbags and trying to cash out

[@apertureb2247]

@cuttlefish6839 Konami controllers how good the card is and how scarce it it. While what you said is partially true Konami is the one who creates artifical scarcity and causes this. Stuff like this wouldn't happen if sets were like ocg.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@apertureb2247 Konami to some degree controls it, but it's not absolute control. Lest we remember things like Bystials

[@bigbudz852]

​@kichiroumitsurugi4363 "lest"? tell me you're gay without actually telling me you're gay

[@TeamSakurasou]

Honestly, people dropping 100-130 on bonefire not just before pull rates were released, but before knowing the full set aka if bonefire had a cr is wild too me. I can't believe bonefire a card that does not seem to be shorted actually got entertained at that price.

[@timetravel6913]

Isn't that the price of two booster box's so a play set of 3 is 6 booster boxes. I think the mind set of don't open boxes only buy singles is what is making the price of these cards go so high.

[@cuttlefish6839]

@@timetravel6913welcome to secondary market controlled by scalpers and game stores ready to manipulate prices

[@killerbee1974]

can't wait to see bonefire get hit to 1

[@rafflez8961]

@@killerbee1974 only after its third reprint and the cash flow decreases

[@Bladieblah]

Bonefire lmao

[@stillcold]

This is why I love pokemon. It justs costed me 20$ to get a meta gardevoir ex deck. Likewise, it only cost me around 20$ for a meta lz deck. I love how affordable pokemon is. I feel like theyre gonna eventually take over bc theyre the only tcg that doesnt treat their customers like atm machines

[@phorchybug3286]

Okay. Energy still sucks.

[@zacharyjackson7584]

Yep. Huge pokemon card fan, and I love how cheap all the decks are. Especially if you are creating "non-meta" decks to fight against "non-meta" decks. Like you can create whole decks a little over the v/ex battle decks for like 5$ on TCGplayer and they are just as fun.

[@AtticusBeRockin]

But Pokémon card game is kinda ass though. I could never get into it.

[@AtticusBeRockin]

@jblunaasmrs5678 I can respect that. By all means enjoy it 👍. Just personally for me I don’t like Pokémon TCG. I can however respect it’s affordable nature, and that concept is a huge problem with yugioh for sure.

[@PurpleFiiilth]

I played pokemon for a while but I feel its too simple, I got bored of it pretty quickly especially coming from yugioh. I'd say MTG/Commander is better.

[@Lucario1121]

Remember that Axel Brodie had this card all the way back in GX, meaning this dude somehow got his hands at 2, possibly 3 copies of this card in his deck

[@silversalamence10]

Um actually, Axel never used Bonfire. it was used AGAINST him by Trueman. Also, prior to that, Fonda Fontaine, the school nurse had used the card in a duel against Jaden in season 3.

[@dudono1744]

Tbh, Bonfire feels like a GX card.

[@spicymemes7458]

​@@silversalamence10The fact that it was used by the acolyte of Darkness and the Nurse Burn player instead of an actual fire player makes this funnier

[@Lucario1121]

@@spicymemes7458 what's even more funnier is that Bonfire was just discarded by the acolyte of darkness, as opposed to being played against

[@Lucario1121]

@@silversalamence10 I looked it up you're right sorry. I think I got confused with another fire base search card Axel used that basically had a similar effect

[@sketter1775]

With how scummy Konami's business practices are, I won't hold it against anyone playing fakes instead.

[@ZzBloodNGutszZ]

Play other tcgs. For the price of 1 bonfire can get you full meta decks in a lot of other games. When i switched to other card games (Pokemon/Weiss Schwarz) it was really nice being able to pick up an entire deck for around 100$ (sometimes less) Just play MD or DB if you want to play YGO. Paper Yugioh just isnt worth it.

[@geek593]

You can pick up a playset of every card in Shadowverse Evolve for less than the cost of one Sinful Spoils engine. A game with nine playable decks and three sets. And don't get me started on Pokemon.

[@AoyagiMei]

I moved onto other TCGs very easily and am enjoying myself a lot more (my wallet is also happy). The amount I was spending on YGO could go into CFV, Pokemon, Shadowverse and Digimon simultaneously. 4 games > 1 that reeks of greed. Never looked back. Personally, I enjoy card games for the social aspect of it and like having the physical cards. For me, the game does not have to be YGO.

[@aizenvermillion434]

Currently playing Grand Archive TCG and WiXoss Diva Live EN TCG but both Pokemon and Weiss Schwarz are also fun. Glad to know more people playing other TCGs out there. I hope your having a great time with yours.

[@bugking1413]

Just recently started Pokémon and it's been fantastic. The community I found has been great about easing me into the game and the meta feels much less overwhelming. My LGS also is hosting Digimon which I'm looking forward to shifting my old yugioh budget to.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Also for the same price, you can get some pretty good decks in YGO to boot. Besides, Bonfire will drop eventually

[@alchadylan4592]

This kind of thing really dampens my desire to get back into the game

[@nadalius1154]

Yep. I flat out quit Yugioh again. Came back after Tele DAD format, and they still haven't changed. This hobby doesn't deserve my money, and the wanted stuff pushed me over the edge. Can I buy it? Yes, is it worth it knowing it will be gutted within a few months or reprinted to the ground, naaaaah. I rather just grow my carrots then play yugioh now.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376]

Just play Edison tbh. You can buy most decks and an extra deck for under $100

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Should pose no issues to wait a banlist out

[@four-en-tee]

​@@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376 Just play Runick

[@IIIZetsubouZeroIII]

What the other guy said, play Edison format. Most of the cards have been reprinted and are fairly cheap. Formats like Edison and Goat are being played at tournaments thanks to Konami introducing the Time Wizard Format. I’ve gotten tired of the current meta game of YGO so I just play older formats to make the game less off putting.

[@fmasxd5691]

I don't think card prices would be that bad if top decks had a longer shelf life than a couple months. YGO has a significant power creep problem. There are multiple ways they could handle that, but they choose not too and it's the players who suffer.

[@fmasxd5691]

"That bad" meaning something like "I don't mind spending 100 bucks on a card because this card is going to be playable for 2+ years."

[@thanium-gaming]

I’ve been a long time subscriber Cap, and I’ve been around in the game since Metal Raiders. Seeing these prices makes me sad, and like you I couldn’t play a meta deck due to priced out during Tele-Dad. Unless Konami changes something, the game will tank. Stores already complain. About sealed product rotting on their shelves, and then Konami keeps pushing pack filler with maybe 4 good cards. We need an overhaul, and maybe not quite ocg rarities but something similar so we aren’t screwed into another gacha game

[@badd7407]

​@@Rabbitlord108who you give then?

[@insertchannelnamehere7154]

Every time I look into getting back into the game any strategy I get excited for gets a a massive rarity bump. First my common Animadorned because an $80 secret rare, then the Lyrilusc cards were nearly $40, adamancipator, even Fire kings now. I just can’t justify paying to get back into this game despite having a lot of the staples already.

[@Brittowski]

Same here. Guess I will just see how far can FK Dogmatika take me and hope princess and Consort Ulkanix won't be as expensive...

[@hoshi314]

What is funny is in the OCG bonfire's price is at 70$ to 80$. I used to be a TCG player before my country is designated as OCG region, let me just say that i am grateful to be an OCG player now because it's a lot cheaper and of course we are getting Asia English cards too which will still be cheaper than TCG even if it means we OCG players brawl with maxx C

[@mercurydjinn3366]

Would love to play Mannadium at a real event. I only ever played at a locals one time and that was with a scuffed Pendulum deck where I only had time to play two duels. Getting to play again would be wonderful but Peaceful Planet Calarium is twenty dollars minimum, which you need at least two copies, while Dis Pater is going for thirty dollars. Thankfully I pulled a Super Rare Baronne from the 25th Anniversary Collection which helps but I am still missing vital pieces of a deck that I love.

[@kish45]

Honestly Konami needs to be given the same treatment of backlash or something like how Paramount got with the Sonic movie with Sonic original design in the movie so much so that they had no choice but to delay the movie and change the design, but with the Konami case is them having no choice but to print Snake-eye Populus as a super or ultra.

[@spicymemes7458]

I found it weird that most gamers largely wrote off Konami after the Kojima fiasco, but somehow, yugioh players kept the faith.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@spicymemes7458 YGO players have developed their own coping mechanisms. Format too expensive? Just wait for a banlist or a reprint.

[@red_dll]

I am not actively playing the physical game anymore since a few years now but I am still interested in the card game in general. Last year I saw that a lot of 'older' staples (Impermanence and such) got reprinted over the years and are affordable. I was pleasantly surprised by that. Of course, I wasn't surprised that staples like Triple Tactics Thrust were pretty expensive on release and only now gets a reprint that drops the price. The one big question I always had and still have though is why the heck in TCG we still haven't got the rarity system the OCG has. It would make things so much easier, affordable and enticing for people to at least try the game.

[@yugiohfan7906]

It probably has something to do with their so called "policy", but their only goal is to just make money, they literally don't give a fuck about players and playerbase, they made game too complicated and too expensive, and honestly they should change age restrictions to something like 12+ or 15+, becayse there's no way somebody's parents are gonna buy kid a deck that's worth around 100$ or constantly buy him packs, i have this problem personally. Every time i go to locals, to participate you have to buy something that's worth around 10$, otherwise you can't participate, i'm just mainly buying deck cores, idc about staples and 2 of my friends are telling me to get staples but i'm not interested honestly. Because let's be honest in my country 3 fire king structure decks would be worth around 81.70$ and i can't really afford that, because i still go to school and my parents aren't giving me that much money. I play floo and will buy a true draco deck soon(without diagram because it's expensive) and i'm not looking forward to doing much of anything. I would also like ocg rarity system, but they also(kinda) have a problem, and it's that they reprint lot less cards, for exampke sekka's light was only printed once in OCG in FLOD, but in TCG it was printed 3 times, but what i like about ocg is that they kinda make staples more affordable, but main cards of one deck are kinda expensive to some extent, in OCG they make staples more affordable by printing them in more rarities, for example S:P Little knight was printed as: super, secret and qcr, while in tcg we have S:P as a secret(or ultra not so sure) and qcr, another example is TT thrust, it was printed as a rare and(idk if it was printed in any other rarity) in the ocg, while in the TCG i think it's printed as an ultra/secret, and here's how cards get expensive. When there's too much demand, but limited resource thing gets more expensive, but Konami uses this to maximum by listening to the playerbase about x cards or seeing themselves that some x card is broken, so they bump it's rarity to(almost always) max rarity. I personally hate Yugioh TCG, but again no matter how much i complain, as long as there are people who are willing to spend 375$ on playset of some x card that can't even be used in every deck, Konami will be greedy and nothing will change, things will only get worse, and not to mention diabellstar engine, thrust, side deck cards, or even main cards of the deck itself. I'm glad i picked up floo's when Robina/Eglen were about 0.23$ per copy, and i waited for feather storm reprint. I'm sorry for writing this long message, but i felt like i had to, i hopr you enjoyed reading this comment and yeah... Have a nice morning/day/evening depending on your timezone and at the time you're reading this message:).

[@returnofthechans]

It was surprising to see bonfire actually getting so many PRESALES at this price. Cards usually come down in price after they officially release. Some cards do go up, but most of the time, they come down from presale prices. I do think cards should be cheaper, but that doesn't mean budget decks aren't playable and can't compete. People just want to hop on the snake eye fire king trend but forget we are in a diverse format and can play other archtypes.

[@cuttlefish6839]

It’s because people see OCG maxx c format and think what they be doing is a 1 for 1 to the tcg. Fire format is actually only not diverse in ocg because of the bug killing off other options

[@clownyknight2]

At this point im only getting my new raidraptor cards and if voiceless voice isnt rarity bumped ill get those. My one friend was our FIRE guy, runs salamangreat and fire kings. Man made a wish on the monkey paw without thinking of the consequences

[@kuvjason7236]

When I saw SolemnYGO's reason for importing OCG rarity printing where X card gets printed in Ulti, Secret, Ultra, Super, etc in a mainline set isn't gonna work due to card culture and says a 1-to-1 conversion isn't gonna work without really diving deep into it... I thought that was backwards thinking because TCG really needs the help. The reason why cards are expensive IS due to TCG KoMoney fostering this elitist mindset of, "haha, shiny card go brrrrrr.. STONKS!!!" and short printing. .. I strongly believe if TCG KoMoney were to bring in the OCG rarity printing, if would give the average Joe MORE reasons to go out to local OSTs/Target/Walmart and BUY these packs because we can actually get the cards we want to play with. OCG rarity printing pleases both the ego chasers in getting the high rarity and also pleases the average normie who plays once in awhile without being gated.

[@bigo1746]

I don't play it anymore. I still collect them.

[@naonna1]

CardFight vanguard always released boss monsters at TWO rarities at minimum to keep even a competitive deck around 70 bucks most times (at least in the era i played)

[@vgmaster02]

No, they still do that. Most Vanguard decks are cheap to build. However, some decks ARE a tad expensive to play as of late (Drajeweled Ignis, Youthberk Full Blast, etc), HOWEVER...the upcoming Triple Drive Booster is an all reprint set that does reprint those decks' key pieces that have risen high in price, so they'll be cheaper to build in a couple months. But still stands, Vanguard prints their high rarity cards in multiple rarities to offer multiple options of pulling it. YGO doesn't do that. And that's a problem.

[@Paul909ification]

Sucks in TCG Yu-Gi-Oh one cannot get all Secret Rare cards in a playset in a main set case but in Standard Cardfight one can get all RRR cards at more than a playset.

[@AoyagiMei]

@@Paul909ification When even buying a case doesn't guarantee a playset of everything at base rarity... you know your game is fked

[@cmbk96]

The biggest problem is, that those expensive cards are worth nothing ones Konami decides to ban or limit them. There is no special artwort etc. on it. Pokemon does it so much better. You get every card as a normla common, uncommon, rare and holo rare. Those are not rare at all. But you also have the option to buy the fancy version with amazing artwork for more.

[@constantinechase9382]

One big way to address this through existing product - the tins. These already do reprints of the previous release series, but a lot of the big name cards get rarity upgrades, and remain harder to pull. Having more substantial rarity downgrades in the tins would allow Konami to make some cards more exclusive if they want, but still have a regular reprint set. This isn’t to say Konami can’t or shouldn’t do anything else, but it is a small step that would not take much effort and could go a long way.

[@Ayumu88]

If yugioh players boycotted Konami for 4 months like Americans did with Bud Light, we wouldn't have these problems anymore

[@SelfReassuringTitle]

That’s a funny reference, but I agree. Boycotting seems necessary

[@Signerdragon123]

The difference is there are still viable non-FIRE decks you can play in a somewhat diverse format for once (plus I've still been able to playtest Fire Kings efficiently even without Bonfire) and that boycott was only effective because Bud Light's customer base (much like most people) don't take kindly to woke politics being shoved down their throats by association.

[@SelfReassuringTitle]

@@Signerdragon123 the point he’s making is that Konami’s business practices suck, even if there are alternatives to bonfire (or whatever else)

[@traplover6357]

Konami not falling for culture war shit at all. We're cucks to economic shit because America is a capitalist country.

[@GuessWhatHappened1]

​@@SelfReassuringTitlethats not gonna work because the yugioh community is greedier then konami. A chunk of the community invests in cards, another chunk will buy a card at any price while compling about it. Wanted was 40-50 ish we were fine with that. No one demanded anything of konami Its now 130 now we blame konami? When the community bought up the card and kept raising it? Tcg konami can help, but most the issue in the tcg market is the buying culture

[@00110000]

I don't play YGO, but an event with the final 32 decks being the same is mind blowing. Aren't there counters?

[@turtle-bot3049]

At least little knight was something that went in EVERY deck, which while it sucks that is a big reason for it being its huge price, at least its somewhat understandable (even if we dont like it) because it reflects actual supply and demand conditions.

[@spicymemes7458]

Except Konami is always a year behind trends, which exacerbates the supply issues.

[@ShayneRawls]

I appreciate your take on this. Which is much more mellow. (your streams seem Chaotic)

[@hvskyline1368]

Ya that’s the one thing pulling me away from yugioh the demographic for my locals is super meta based not a lot of casual decks and I don’t wanna be spending 1k+ on a deck just to keep up with them

[@2iq371]

well yeah ofc bonfire isn't that good in a vacuum... because there is no oxygen in a vacuum so you can't start the fire.

[@darknova7863]

This is why I played Vanguard because one thing I enjoy about that game at least until 2019 when I stopped (ran out of people to play), Decks were cheaper and everything got support. As a result you could play top tier but also play anything you actually liked for the most part. One thing I do miss about Yugioh was when decks weren't archetype only I loved the challenge of finding solid rogue ideas and making a winning deck from it. Not saying archetypes are bad but Yugioh old school diversity with finding synergy with random cards was special kind of joy. I miss when you could do that and use archetypes.

[@aizenvermillion434]

Vanguard is Noice.❤ Nice to see more players for that TCG. I was late to play the premium after buying a starter deck for it but I'm still playing casually with my friends so it was all good.

[@darknova7863]

@@aizenvermillion434 I mainly played Standard. I tried getting into it back in 2014-2015 but had no one to play so... I still have my old never used Silver Thorn deck from back then, man cardgsmes are awesome.

[@aizenvermillion434]

@@darknova7863 They sure are. Good luck on your endeavors on that game and I only hope for the best. 😊👍

[@brayanhernandez7427]

What happens in the OCG heavily influences what the TCG will look like. If its popular in the OCG, they get to quickly adapt and formulate the strategies that will eventually make its way to the TCG, almost dictating how konami will treat(price) those heavily influencing cards.

[@rafflez8961]

The december banlist was my cue. Murdering a deck falling out of the meta that cost $120 even after the meta tax while an increasingly powerful deck gets virtually nothing because it requires a $300 engine and $100 staples. The ocg system obviously fixes the pricing issue (the most expensive card in a tier 0 format was literally $9), but people are buying here, so what reason do they have to change? Whales are still dropping thousands on cases, so what does konami care if 10 players buying on the secondary market quit?

[@bearhow4876]

I’m not a fan of formats where it feels like you HAVE to run certain cards or engines.

[@Rabbitlord108]

This is why I'm sticking with the video games.

[@9imtheking]

Honesty they are gonna pull an aluber where aluber was 80 to 100 dollars and they released a reprint 3 months later to help sell a other wise dead product and it came full circle

[@animeknight99]

It's kinda expected for cards to be expensive time to time. I haven't played Paper Yu-Gi-Oh since 2013 because I knew it was going to cost money over time

[@matthewkuehne5480]

Great video. As you said, players are being pushed out of the game. I show up to locals with Branded Predaplants each week and can't keep up with the guys who own Tactics-level expensive engines. Powercreep and money have me looking into Lorcana, Flesh and Blood, DBZ and Pokemon.

[@TheAzureSky1]

Hearing these complaints is literally like hearing people complain about microtransactions in video games. There's endless KZbinrs complaining about paying $50 for a blue gun skin and you know what happens? Nothing. Why? Because the whales don't care. THEY are the target for these expensive items. Konami isn't stupid. They're a ruthless company min-maxing the shit out of their customers. They know there's enough buyers to compensate for lost customers. Whoa, one dude quit because of pricey cards? How much was he worth compared to the whales? It's all numbers and graphs. Supply and demand. You wanna blame someone? Don't blame Konami. Blame the whales and sweaty try-hards willing to pay for these cards.

[@callump1996]

This really does not shock me, Konami has been corrupt with the secret rares and rarity bumping since the game came out in 2002, it is only now people are seeing the truth of how corrupt they truly are. While the vid did bring up DAD there have been other famous times of abusing rarity bumping Pot of Duality: was super rare in the OCG but due to how strong the card was and was a 3 off in most meta decks at the time, it was a rarity buff to Secret rare in the TCG with copies going for $100 or more. While 3 off Secret Rares were not unheard of Pot of Duality created outroar as it was needed in almost every deck rather than just 1 tieri0/1 deck. People mass quilted at the time. Rescue Rabbit: Was a rare in the OCG but due to its power to summon 2 Level 4's that you can use to XYZ summon, on top of printing 2 very powerful Dino XYZ Monsters that only need 2 Level 4 Dinos rather than its own archetype monsters. The TCG bumped the Bunny to Secret Rare and Dino Rabbit was one of three decks that almost killed YGO all for good at the time. Spell Book of Judgement: This was common in the OCG but due to how busted the card was and made Spellbooks joint tier 0 with Dragon Rulers, the card was rarity bump all the way to secret rare. This turned the price of a 3 off-meta deck card from a $1-$5 card into a $100+ card with one simple rareity change. The players putting their foot down on Konami's greed nonsense is a good 15 years overdue.

[@TupackYGO]

man im quitting paper ygo too im already not going to locals for 6 weeks, now im never gonna go unless if one of my friends give their deck to play for the tournament only. thats it for me im only playing master duel from now on

[@TheBigExclusive]

Another problem is that "grading companies" are driving up the cost of YuGiOh cards. People suddenly want their cards graded hoping it's worth more. And Outside investors are buying up cards and pushing prices up online. It's one big financial bubble. Entire YuGiOh KZbin channels are dedicated to just opening booster packs, and talking about how much the cards are worth. They don't actually play the game.

[@apertureb2247]

I work at a card store and literally noone wants or attempts to grade yugioh. Its all pokemon for that stuff. Yugioh is essentially worthless to anyone but a player right now.

[@cutefacejay6703]

As much as someone like strictly sealed would love for this game to become a collectable card game, Yu-Gi-Oh retains like no value. This game is too niche and dated for anyone too bother with grading Yugi card's.

[@FloundBlacky]

@@apertureb2247 @cutefacejay6703 You two apparently missed the entire yugioh and pokemon hype during covit. Even now with prices for old cards going down again, they are still MUCH higher than pre 2020. Like there are collectors everywhere for the old cards, even prices of OCG ultimate rares went up times 10. It just seems that you dont have many yugioh collectors in your area, but in the entire country its ALOT

[@LunaticKD1991]

Grading is a scam but I don't think most resellers are selling graded cards because you have to pay to have them "graded". 🤣 I strongly doubt it's a problem.

[@nova2754]

Totalmente cierto, ya no juegan el juego, se dedican a abrir sobres y solo hablan de cuánto cuesta y porque solo las brillantes estas son más útiles que las otras cartas. Hasta salen cortos en KZbin de un tipo que abre un sobre y muestra el precio de cada carta del juego y muchas veces pierden dinero. Un tipo se gasto como 1000$ dólares en un sobre de hace 20 años de Pokémon y logro conseguir un Blastoise de 140$. Perdió 860$ y aún así está feliz, exageran. Invierten en un juego que literalmente no juegan y solo buscan estafar con las cartas

[@djinsanity3575]

I play causal for the most part and i just sell off my stock when the time comes. This needs to end though not gonna lie

[@DelGray]

Yugioh needs to come together and champion some casual formats like Magic's EDH or Pauper.

[@kinryuten]

Thats kinda what Edison is

[@gregorymirabella1423]

This is why I don't play card games competitively, and only collect them while playing them by myself. The amount of time and money you need to sink into these things just to have a chance at competing is absurd. Ofc the only card game I focus on is Pokemon, so for all I know it isn't as much of an issue with that as it is with Yu-Gi-Oh, but it's still hugely discouraging to treat these games as anything more than a small hobby.

[@Gwinnmusic]

Another thing many people don't get is how outrageous these prices are in other countries where people earn $1000 PER MONTH (or sometimes even $500/month) and these prices are literally unaffordable those people. There are many of these countries in South America and Eastern Europe, and these countries already experimented with importing OCG... which might be the solution now considering how Asia-English literally started to become a thing once again. The TCG truly shot themselves in the leg with these actions. With cheap boxes available this way, the regular players and collectors will just start to use these instead, and TCG's only source of revenue will literally be competitors and scalpers - the latter will stop doing so when they realize they have no one to sell these kind of stuff for either.

[@QQ-qz5ft]

I think people don’t get it because it isn’t logical. I lived in a country that was average 1k per month. Why would they get a 6,000 Gucci bag? Why would they be mad Gucci doesn’t make the same exact bag available to them for 100 because that’s what they can afford? Doesn’t make much sense. X brand makes a product. People drum up Y demand. People pay Z price. It is what it is. We also can’t afford yachts. Where’s the poor boi yacht they should make available to us? You either have the money for a hobby, or don’t. They’re not in the business of making something affordable. Also, affordable to who? There’s always someone poorer. So…. what then? That 500-1000 country you figure out Konamis logistics and get it down so that person can afford it. What about the people there that make 200? Why not them? Go ahead and explain to them why they can’t, but the 500+ can. Serious question, not rhetorical. Konami doesn’t owe you anything. They don’t owe a poor starving person in Kentucky anything. They don’t owe someone in a country earning 500-1000 per month anything. There’s way more proxy going on than you may think. Most people I was around had some cards for fun and everything played was proxy. Their thought process to it was when I’m playing I’m competing. In a video game you put settings on low so you have best frame rate. This is the same. I don’t remember anyone feeling like they needed the actual card. Couple did, but was specific card they liked. All decks were ripped loose leaf with dicks as the ‘art’ and card notes. Every card of mine is a dick.

[@jeyserreacts3444]

High rarity like ultra should be for confusing cards

[@ShayneRawls]

Konami of the TCG hates its players and go totally based on capitalism. The ocg treats its players much nicer because out side of pachinco, Yugioh is how they make a good deal of money Cause card shops are a dime a dozen in Japan

[@RainbowStaple]

Yeah theres a lot more TCG's in Japan so they have to play nice and print cards in a reasonable rarity, otherwise they'd just leave for the next TCG

[@jurassictyrantkingYT]

I have to say that yeah I Took time off Yu-Gi-Oh for 2 years but I came back but seeing how expensive the new cards are these days it's very hard to even try to come back.

[@RuneRaged]

I know when I was looking at the set the stuff I wanted were the Earthbound cards and maybe a few others I don't play competitively so I figured I'd just pick up what I want and see what jank I can brew

[@coltonbaker2576]

I quit 2 years ago..

[@coltonbaker2576]

I switched to magic the gathering. An entire meta standard deck is 100$ unless your playing black

[@bananaforscale558]

Same I quit about 2-3 years ago to go back to pokemon meta decks are ridiculously cheap

[@JuwanBuchanan]

Me remembering when Dark Armed Dragon was a $100+ card back in 2008 and you needed 3 of them just to effectively run Tele-DAD and that wasn’t the only expensive card you needed for the deck that easily pushed it to $1000 dollars. Remember when Nekroz were $1000? This is nothing more than hot air from the player base that will still buy these expensive cards like they always have.

[@Junior2000625]

So the idiots them lol

[@rd9669]

They have bug brains and will forget in about a couple of days, I still remember bentos and how ridiculous it was getting them. This is nothing new people act like there aren’t any decks besides fire decks 😂

[@ippoverse]

Unfortunately Konami bootlickers don’t boycott

[@ShayneRawls]

If memory serves me that deck was between 1200 to 1500 back them. Imagine the inflation of these days compared to back then

[@somebitchfromluckystar]

Nah I can tell the game is dying down, my locals keeps progressively getting smaller and smaller every banlist or so. We're talking like 60 something locals back in 2022 going down to mid 20s now.

[@ghostbaleada]

I got into yugi this year got 3 Fire King Structure decks as a gift from bu brother who plays competitively, I wanted to build on tje foundation of fire kings and was immediately disappointed on how expensive this is

[@bchaozgamer4282]

Doesn't tournament level play essentially become solitaire on the cointoss? Not saying other CCG's do things too differently but the lock down capabilities in YGO seem to be a bit much in comparison.

[@jkromes20]

That’s why I’ll never disassemble heroes. Always playable never tier one

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

In that case, your Heroes are always there to save the day!

[@jkromes20]

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 lmao

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

@@jkromes20 I just was compelled given the pun sort of made itself in my mind!

[@orochisama7658]

Honestly Yu-Gi-Oh should just end

[@RogueHero]

As a fellow yugiboomer and card gamer , expensive metas don't bother me. Yea it sucks i can't play the best deck at full power whatever that looks like but not owning expensive staples can cause innovation just simply do to players like myself who will not drop big money on decks and will find alternatives that can be better than said staples or close to it in power. Good video cap G

[@angelguz6244]

I tried play fire king and it was good to budget but Jesus Christ the way to play it I just gaved up. I rather play beyblade

[@gravekeepersven82]

People are either doing tri brigade or dogmatika as a far far cheaper option to splash it in fire kings.

[@Signerdragon123]

@@gravekeepersven82 Because of all the Level 8s in the deck and how easy it is to get them to the board, I'm actually experimenting with a Jank Exodia draw engine with the use of cards like Trade-In and Advance Draw (with Giantrainer being a third option).

[@gravekeepersven82]

@Signerdragon123 That sounds very unorthodox yet spicy and I like it. Me I'm just playing anti meta guru Control.

[@janikalejandroperezarmenda7005]

That is the main reason I dropped Yugioh to play Pokemon. is less expensive and less oppressive, you are always able to play a couple of turns instead of just playing a 40min turn just to block everything your opponent is trying to do

[@CobourgRailfan]

Pokemon is also insanely powercrept.

[@apertureb2247]

Pokemon has rotation, so why yes it has powercreep its absolutely no where near yugioh. Also they dont shortprint the cards at all. There are decks rn that are nearly 2 years old that consistantly top and are under $60 for the entire deck.

[@icemarvel0791]

You said something that is that perfectly repersents konami thoughts. "I'm still buying and playing" as long as someones buying the cards there a market for at least sellers to buy boxes and mark up the cards

[@hindae085]

It's worth noting that in (RIP) Buddyfight, Magic, Vanguard and Pokemon. That same $100 gets you heaps of playable cards, even good and well built decks if you go looking. I pulled a Dark Armed once upon a time. My friend wanted it for his deck and it astonished me to look online to see prices of £150 at minimum.

[@animegx45]

I feel like the players themselves should take _some_ responibility on the matter. Konami may decide the rarity on the card, but they weren't the ones who decided which ultra rare in the set is $20 or $100. It's the community itself, ironically enough, that decides the value. Someone decided that it was $100, and now it's agreed that it's $100.

[@ParadigmZwei]

You fail to understand two things here. 1) Konami absolutely have a degree of influence in how much a card goes for because they know the meta of their own game and know which cards will sell like hot cakes. They 100% knew Bonfire was going to be a big money card and they could've printed it at a lower rarity to make it more accessible for players, but instead they printed it at Ultra so that they could sell more product. 2) The concept of supply and demand. Card retailers are businesses that need to make a profit in order to continue trading. They are only able to acquire so many copies of a particular rare card to sell, and if they choose to sell that card at a low price and it comes at a very high demand then their supplies run out too quickly and they become unable to make further profit off of that card. They need to drive the price up in line with the demand for the card so that their supplies can last and they can make a tidy profit and continue selling more cards in the future. This, again, would be far less of an issue if Konami were to print that card at a lower rarity. tl;dr - You are wrong, it is 100% on Konami.

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

​@@ParadigmZwei so basically Konami refuses to balance their own game because it's profitable to keep it unbalanced. Force people to chase meta. As shitty as Magic the Gathering is currently. At least I can put together a competitive deck for under 50 dollars that can make 500 dollar decks cry uncle.

[@jtalkalot19]

My biggest problem with the whole bonefire thing is that Fire based strategies aren't the only thing you can be playing this format. There are much more decks you can build on much more of a budget and still compete well.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Yes. But people will ignore it in favor of their own agenda

[@jtalkalot19]

@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Or just to complain. Because that's yugioh players favorite thing to do. Remember, yugioh players are NEVER. HAPPY. EVER.

[@LunaticKD1991]

"Compete well" 🙄 No. Yugioh is pay to win. There is no competition if you don't pay for the meta. You're just going to get stomped because Konami refuses to balance their game.

[@jtalkalot19]

@LunaticKD1991 what's your definition of budget for yugioh? And yes, it is not real cheap like the other tcgs. It hasn't been and more than likely will never be. But going by your logic here, I can ONLY take the fire.dek to a Regional or an YCS and do well. Never mind the 15 to 20 other decks that can reasonably compete with results on much less.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@jtalkalot19 100-150 euros is a good average. Sometimes it's less, but, most of the times, that's what's going to be

[@jmitchell7364]

My friends and I play our own format. It is 1 year in the past. we play cards that are over a year released so we can play the game with cheap reprints.

[@flare4488]

Haven't played physical Yu-Gi-Oh seriously since MD came out cause of this. I bought the red arch fiend deck cause I'm a big fan of the deck, and I bought staples after they came out of the 25th Anniversary pack. I play sometimes for fun with friends, but I haven't been to a locals for the game in years now. I've switched to Digimon for the most part, and with a fan made simulator being released soon, I probably won't even play MD that much outside of grinding out the season pass

[@ippoverse]

Yugioh has always been pay to win unfortunately, that’s why retro formats are so popular right now

[@lightningfarronxp8899]

I dont think price is as much of an issue as relevancy. expensive decks have been a thing since I first started playing competitively during the 5ds's era (infernity, x-saber, lightsworn, blackwing etc). also i've heard that it was even worse before then when prize cards worth thousands ruled the competitive scene. players are willing to pay hundreds, even thousands for a deck that can either guarantee them a win or draw a crowd just because of how expensive the deck is. the reason why nobody wants to pay current day prices anymore is because decks only last a format, maybe 2 if theyre lucky. imagine investing hundreds into your deck only for it to be powercrept within a year, get hit by the banlist almost immediately or lost in the shuffle so it cant even be played in a rouge match up a few years after release. its an ugly feeling. the simple solution would be to stop reprinting cards in higher rarities, support archetypes instead of constantly making new ones and stop retraining/errata-ing cards. komani obviously would never do that though, there's too much money in it for them. sad but true.

[@donfan7552]

"This Bonfire Burns Through All - Even Your Wallet"

[@harpieclan1950]

This has been like this for years.. exactly why I only play locals. It’s just a waste of money for a piece of pretty paper.

[@tarikshell9719]

I think that yugioh needs to reprint the staples in the next tin for this year because paying $100+ dollars for staples cards is Ludacris

[@NyxSakura]

Just a reprint isn't enough honestly. The reprint needs to happen in a low rarity, so that it people can pull a lot of copies of it, making the card cheap.

[@tarikshell9719]

@NyxSakura agreed, but we must reprint all the staples of 22/23 in the next tin

[@NyxSakura]

@@tarikshell9719 True. We need those staples to be reprinted. I'm of the mindset that staples shouldn't be expensive. They should always be cheap, so that people can have more access to them to compete.

[@tarikshell9719]

@NyxSakura I agree. I think that any staple should not cost more than $45 dollars per card because we shouldn't have to pay $100+ dollars per card just so we can win I think that we should switch to the ocg model but I know that Konami will never do it because of all the money that they make porting cards over and changing their rarity in the tcg

[@strangedogg5068]

lets face it, they shouldn't cost more than a dollar per card, anything more than that is just us being dumb

[@h00pladeeznuts81]

Flashbacks to Triple Tactics Talent being $95 a copy

[@pawnquacker]

I like it, but not sure if anything will change. Hopeful though.

[@dingding12321]

It's funny how little rules text is on the most expensive cards nowadays, between Bonfire in YGO and Sheoldred in MTG...

[@Beyblade_worrior]

At least you can still use decks from the first release even if you won’t win. Magic is way worse to its player base, why can’t you just keep every set in play

[@coltonbaker2576]

Modern does

[@SoloFan87]

EDH (Commander) Does. Yugioh has no supported Alternate formats, MTG Does.

[@CommanderBunky]

Used to watch all you yugitubers back in the day! Love you all but had to quit, the TCG is just one cash grab to the next. Ban old decks and release expensive decks, rinse and repeat. Left the game after Pendulums came out

[@j20sti]

Very informative. I agree

[@20tetsuo77]

As someone who hasn’t played in 10+ years, after played duel links for a few years I decided to get back into the game, but lately I’ve been reconsidering a bit due to these prices. It doesn’t help that I don’t have any friends here yet to trade with and my work hours happen to fall on the tournament days here at the local shop. Not really sure what to do about it 🤷🏻‍♂️ maybe I’ll get a meta-ish deck in a year by the time it’s not relevant anymore

[@20tetsuo77]

As another note, as you said in this video this is their business model but I agree that I don’t see how this is even good for their business. People are already quitting, and yeah maybe they’re just banking on all the whales but with the rarity collection we have been shown how popular (and good for lining their pockets) a set like that could be, and I genuinely see that kind of set making more sales for the general population of players over all the whales who buy these singles/sets. I mean, I don’t have these stats in front of me but it seems clear to me, and I can only imagine it’s clear for the hardcore longtime player base as well. As a new player it seems obvious that this just turns away new potential customers, where adopting the pokemon-esque model that they did with the rarity collection could only attract them back.

[@soulstarved4116]

Didn't we just get out of a ditch where stores were literally stopping YGO because the product was unsellable? Granted, I would rather have the value spread evenly across all cards rather than in one, but you all should know by now that's not how YGO works. Am I the only one who thinks this is overblown? Bonfire is only usable in like two to three decks that are destined for the banlist. The decks aren't even that good, they fold to Droll. Just play something else.

[@apertureb2247]

Just draw the out lol

[@soulstarved4116]

​@@apertureb2247 I do, and I win... Do you know how to draw the out?

[@apertureb2247]

@soulstarved4116 Real talk tho, telling someone a deck is fine because you have a 30% chance to start a handtrap is a good way say that a deck isn't fine.

[@soulstarved4116]

@apertureb2247 I mean, yeah, but it's one over 10,000 cards. You can find at least three that instantly win you the game, play three copies of each, and you boost your probability to about 70%. Three games in a match with 70% odds that they get Drolled, Shiftered, or Nibirued. Means you have about 80% win rate each match. Of course, you should be using a deck that also hard counters the meta too, but you can use whatever you want if you "draw the out."

[@TheRealJohnux]

Bonfire likely gets a common print in a starter deck anyway. Sometime after ots ulti print.

[@lorenzotanzi9851]

Two words: animadorned archosaurus. Back when It was First released in the ocg, It was a normal rare. It makes Sense, Dinosaurs weren't competitive, rogue at best, a fun strategy for casual players, but not a tier 0 deck. Here in the TCG? SECRET RARE. I had to wait until the release of the Trascendosaurus archetype to have a playset of the old Dino cards for cheap. Gosh, now I get why people play Edison, with the reprints you can affordably build a good deck, and It Will be Forever playable.

[@AlphaTradingCardGames]

It got CR version too we just pulled it in our case openings

[@shishishi314]

I recently bought cards for a synchron/stardust dragon deck on tcgplayer. I got every card for the main deck and extra deck for a little over $100. It's very sad that one single card costs the same as an entire deck.

[@colonel101]

This is one of the reasons I quit a few months back and moved on to pokemon. With my 1 meta deck I sold i bought all the best decks in pokemon and still had a couple hundred bucks left over

[@darklordkuro7953]

And this is why i sayed in the "school yard" level of competiveness. I play with exactly 1 friend and we use what ever structure deck release and whathever we get out of the boxes. We most of the time dont even have hand trap.

[@Twinkle-hu2pe]

Yugioh needs another Spring 2016 meta where meta decks were budget. Kozmo/Burning Abyss were under $200, Monarch could be built for literally $70, just Kuraz was expensive and maybe Maxx C's. The side deck was probably more expensive, and you didn't need an extra deck.

[@Cwronaga216]

I built a centurion deck which isn't even technically meta and just to get the bare minimum cards needed to build out the full deck and extra Deck cost $700

[@kyleboddy5711]

If reinforcement of the army came out today, what would it's pre-sale price be?

[@spicymemes7458]

Well they are doing alt art ROTA with Raye so it's going to be ugly

[@King_Of_Games]

Triple talents tactics. That’s when I had the same experience

[@shxnsei722]

Fire king dogmatika tri brig is a good budget deck currently liking it and plays well againt the techs ppl run against them expecting it went fir this due to the sinful engine and sadly deciding if i should keep playing

[@Bladeofwar94]

Magic seems to have the opposite problem where they overprinted lots of chase cards to the point that standard (a rotating format where the most recent sets are used) product isn't being opened. There has to be a happy medium where some cards are expensive and chased after while the overall cost of the game is affordable enough.