Yugioh RUINED Me

[@Rarran]

Based on the comments I am reading, wanted to add some thoughts: Above all else, I wanna play a game to have fun, not min/max it, I didn’t have fun with yugioh in almost 5 hours. I am not saying the game is bad, I just didn’t personally enjoy it at all. I think it’s completely fair to say that I didn’t play the game the correct way, but I still gave it a shot, I think 4 hours is enough time for me to justify feelings towards something.

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

The problem with playing "the correct way" is that the game in NO WAY teaches you anything outside of the literal rules - and not even all of them. The tutorial is "how to walk" and then you are asked to run a marathon. The new player experience without a guide is truly, truly awful.

[@dtdc7209]

as a yugioh player. I will say that its one of those games that you need someone to help you get into or for you to have crazy strong mental. there is a reason there was a konami board meeting recently just saying "why isn't anybody new comming into our game" if people are being toxic in he ´comments then they are the weird ones. Edit: you are completely right about the learning curve.

[@MikeMozzaro]

I think a lot of the comments about ways to enjoy it are an unfortunate copium. Which I get; it is heartbreaking to me to watch you go so long playing a game I love and not enjoy it. But as bad as it feels, I have to accept it. I'm sorry the game didn't live up to the hype for you Rarran.

[@anguslavan4064]

Trust me, as a yugioh play for 18 years, even people who play the game also hate it 🤣

[@pie6088]

that is fair. I like this game but it has a LOT of faults.

[@soijinruiz9492]

"I'm going first, I don't want my opponent to play the game" Very good, he's learning how to play.

[@EnderGoku9001]

💀

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

battle plase? End of battle phase?

[@frankieyuen9363]

@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 drop the dark ruler first

[@mannyvaldez9889]

@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 just draw the out

[@killerzer0x74]

...kinda sad how this is literally how the game is played now, idk about you but id gladly NOT play a game of roulette to see if me or my opponent can actually play the game every match

[@thatonekira4780]

"The tutorial feels like it was made for a game made 15 years ago" a true statement has never been made for the single most powercreaped game in existence

[@beegyoshi1685]

that is a place he is wrong at tho the tutorial on normal summoning or attacking does not need to be any newer than it was 20 years ago , those mechanics remain unchanged. As far as i can see he didn't play any of the solo modes other than the tutorial that teaches the most basic concepts of the game which you still need to learn. The reason he was struggling was he tried to play 2 decks that had no place that teached them in the client without actually looking anywhere else to learn how to play them. He could have started by playing elementsaber dinomist monarch story modes etc. hell he could have only played the solo modes and have had fun but he chose the harder path, didn't read cards and got bodied online yu gi oh is a very complicated game but he did not do himself any favors with the way he was going about it

[@BossBasher]

Imagine playing a fighting game and saying that they shouldn't teach you how to do things like blocking or basic attacks. 🤷‍♂️

[@luigifan4585]

That's because those tutorials are literally just teaching you the bare bones basics of how you conduct your phases and types of summoning. Of course the very first tutorials of the game aren't gonna be teaching you all the inner concepts of this week's meta

[@XenosKenosis]

Powercreep?? Lmao cope hearthstone is one of the most powercreep card game I have ever seen, if you just picked up the game and didn't farm in arena etc bro you couldn't even build a single good deck you have to pay for something to have a decent deck lmao

[@trancepeirce3107]

@@XenosKenosis You're describing hearthstone's shit economy and crafting system. Whereas MD gives enough freebies to craft a meta deck day one.

[@NaughtyOddity]

the second he made accesscode and was histerically banishing to pop i was looking forward to one very specific play. and boy he did not disappoint 😂

[@nirast2561]

I watched this live so I'm just gonna let this play in the background for the algorithm, but did he include the moment where he Ashed his own card (I think it was Salamangreat Circle)?

[@Badbufon]

@@nirast2561 "i will click buttons and don't read any card" guy is the quintessential yugioh player.

[@sidiper]

this happened to me when I got back to Yugioh without knowing the Eff of Links 😂

[@theskullboy8700]

AC: adios

[@paranidherc]

You don't get it, it's the game's fault for being so complicated and showing him the remaining options each time. It would have taken at least 5 years of daily playing to understand that 4-1-1-1-1 = 0. Game's just too complicated, obviously.

[@Cimoooooooo]

Yeah that video you pulled up at the beginning is a bit old 😂😂😂 If you want a more simplified experience that still feels very “Yu-Gi-Oh,” I’d highly recommend either Goat or Edison format (the latter being preferred). Sadly, there’s no way to play either format on Master Duel, but it’s much easier to get a grasp on basic mechanics. Feel free to hit me up if you want a crash course!

[@Rarran]

Add me on discord “Rarran”

[@augustgremaud2738]

@@Rarranand thus a beautiful friendship & many, many, M A N Y video collabs began

[@patgonzalez9432]

The fact that he figured out splash into transcode to make access all on his own was actually pretty impressive. It took me a month of getting back into modern ygo to figure that out 😂😂😂

[@i_eat_denim_4_breakfast199]

Also funny how all the links in that combo were used by an anime protagonist, usually they don't run all the meta combo pieces.

[@dochallah1721]

it took a month for you to learn how to make a generic link 4???????????

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

​@@dochallah1721how long you been playing!? Yes Link 4 is hard for new player. EVERYTHING is hard for new players. Y'all just will never get it 😂

[@dochallah1721]

@@ZawaOnKZbin i picked ygo back up when master duel came out. I played back on release too

[@interviewwithdevin2902]

@ZawaOnKZbin no worries. I been playing for years, and still never linked 4. I play old cards with modern tactics because it's too hard to learn all these new cards.

[@Lagdarr]

While I think the chat wasn’t fully recognizing the gravity of how difficult it is to learn how to play yugioh, I sorta understand why everyone wanted you to find a KZbinr to help out. For me the quickest/most fun way I found to get the hang of the game was to play with a buddy of mine who has more experience with the game! Jumping straight into the deep end of Master Duel is incredibly difficult at the best of times, but that problem is amplified if you’re trying to learn the game on its own.

[@theguyyouhate]

i mean part of how hard it is to learn yugioh is also simply that he's going aqbout learning it in the worst way i have EVER seen. i mean fair enough learning on the fly may work for a lot of TCGs out there but i'd honestly argue it's often a horrible idea. at the very least knowing your own deck what your own cards do and how you are supposed to use them in combination with one another is the basics BEFORE you que up a match. it's like learning to swim by takeing a boat out to the middle of the ocean and jumping in and then hopeing to learn before you drown. i do think he has legitimate complaints like how unhelpful the tutorial is for how games are played today and stuff like not understanding what your opponet is doing. but he's not helping his case when he undermines his own position. imagine the stream with voxy was Rarran handing her a Meta deck straight out of having done the tutorial sent her to play with the game and then just left because god forbid there's any kind of guidance.

[@AndrewCrimefighter]

Maybe hearthstone is different since it was designed to be a digital only game, but I've never really known anyone who learned a TCG (or any board game really) without either being taught by someone who already knew or by taking it very slowly with someone else who was new as they both learned the rules

[@Lagdarr]

@@theguyyouhate I think that’s fair, I’ve spent a lot of time on dueling nexus playing decks against their bots to get a handle on how to play a particular archetype. That said, I feel like I’ve been able to wing it with most other TCG’s I’ve played (namely MtG, HS, and LoR) in a way that I can’t really do with yugioh decks. I can see why he’d think it’d work for yugioh if it works reasonably well with all the others.

[@Jr_North]

​@@Lagdarr Yeah, he was about bit blunt about it in the video, but his "graph" summarizes the "issue" perfectly. The starting point for Yu-Gi-Oh! is so much higher than other TCGs, you can work up to that starting point of course, but not by going out and duelling random people. The only way that ends is with frustration.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

That's how I learned how to play. A buddy of mine got me into the game.

[@filipvadas7602]

I have such a love-hate relationship with this game. I hate that the higher power formats basically revolve around preventing the other player from playing and its not fun, but I love the lower power formats and the occasional slower matches because they feel so insanely rewarding. Especially if you pull off a niche strategy

[@americantoastman7296]

bro I miss the shit out of old yugioh. I was a yugioh NERD back in the day dude. That shit was my JAM and it still is - nothing gives me the same vibe as that first series and those early days of the game. Cant relate to the newer formats at all sadly, it's just not for me anymore.

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

It’s a game that peaks when playing it with friends, so that the card pool is restricted and you can start understanding both your deck and your opponent’s strategy.

[@oneofthekindscarf8612]

I can't wait for rush duels to become a thing in the tcg. It brings me back to a time where everything wasn't complicated and killing your opponent on one turn isn't as common

[@vwnbylc3796]

goat format >>>>

[@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n]

I liked it when I played it 15 years ago, pretty sure I would hate it today.

[@AnRuixuan]

As a Yugioh player myself, I think this is a really good and valuable video that a lot of Yugioh players should watch (with an open mind, not immediately jumping to the defensive). It's funny that you decided this week to try Yugioh out, because there's been a lot of discourse over the past few weeks about retention rates of new players in Yugioh and how to improve them without fundamentally altering the game that current players love. I think you've done a really good job outlining a lot of the reasons why new players get frustrated with the game and quit after a short time, while still being respectful of the game and those that play it.

[@digitalstatictv]

With lots of yugioh videos right now talking about the new game experience, sending experienced players to this is great.

[@TheGreatLionProds]

I played master duel when it came out (never played prior) for the first 100 hours of me playing I would have to stream it on discord to a friend so he could explain me how decks worked / where chokes were in the decks I was playing against, the game literally intimated me so much I wouldn't play if unless he was around to tell me how to play was a pretty awful feeling to have.

[@Sillimant_]

Yeah, it's absurd how hostile the game is to new players. My first magic deck was a tribal deck, the closest analogue to that in yugioh would be attribute piles Yugioh needs simpler decks for newer players to understand and play

[@CrowQQ]

The issue with majority YGO players is that the only TCG/CCG they have ever played is YGO so there is a majority that will have hard time grasping issue people have with the game since they lack the experience from other games. I used to play legacy and vintage dredge and doomsday piles in MTG so for me getting into YGO was not that bad since I was already used to reading a lot of card text and to "If you have no FoW I win" type of gameplay lmao .

[@killerzer0x74]

Just gonna say this, the game WAS good...and then they started completely changing the fundamental basis of everything

[@Cms7899]

The problem you've described has been plaguing Yu-Gi-Oh for a while now. The game has constantly evolved for 20 years and is now unrecognizable from where it started. There really should be more resources to help new players learn the game, but just jumping into Master Duel is a nightmare. Personally, I learned from watching the Progression Series and the History of Yu-Gi-Oh series here on KZbin. Watching the game slowly evolve, set by set, really helps you understand how the game currently works and isn't nearly as overwhelming.

[@Heresor]

Which is the exact reason why other TCGs do rotations in "Standard". Not only do you not have to memorize as many cards and mechanics, by not having to do homework on the entire history of the game, the interactions are also limited. Truth be told, I last played Yu-Gi-Oh during the GX era, so elemental heroes are the last thing I'm familiar with. It was a very different game back then. On the other hand, I stopped playing MtG for like 7 years, and got back into it no problem. That was thanks to the limited nature of the digital releases and when playing in person the other player was there to explain stuff to me. Maybe that's why Duel Links is pretty popular? It feels way more like old Yu-Gi-Oh, but I haven't stuck around with that for long, so I can't say how the complexity progresses.

[@Cms7899]

I would agree and many people have argued for a rotating format, but it's unlikely to happen. I would say it's both a negative and positive that the game is the way it is. On one hand, players get to always play their favorite decks and you can be very expressive/creative when deck building due to the 10,000+ cards available. On the other hand, it's often very difficult to get into the game and can often feel overwhelming. I mean you certainly don't have to study the history of the entire game if you don't want to (most of those 10,000 cards don't come up). For me watching the 2 series I mentioned were what got me into the game in the first place and allowed me to understand the mechanics better. Also, there are a variety of retro formats the community has come up with to provide an alternative to the "Advanced" (standard) format. Duel Link can be entertaining, but it's very pay to win and often too simplistic for most players. Honestly, modern Yu-Gi-Oh is overly complex but that also means the player base now reflects that shift. Most of the current player base enjoys how the game centers around thinking multiple steps ahead. I do think they should scale it back, but if there's anything Konami can learn from WoC it's that having alternative formats is healthy for the game. If they supported retro formats or a rotation style format, the game would be in a much better place.

[@Heresor]

Totally agree. I mean... you don't even have to restrict players much. Just make a new "Modern"/"Standard" rotation and let those who want keep playing in "Legacy"/"Wild". Just to provide an entry point for new players without scaring them away. There is a reason why the format is called "Modern" in MtG. To not claim that one way of playing would be superior to the other. @@Cms7899

[@lostalone9320]

@@Cms7899 The thing is that MtG's Vintage format (which allows almost every card ever printed) does NOT look like YGO. There are some perennial decks, like Shops and Dredge, but the format has a mix of creatures, combo, and control decks. The combos are not these contrived avalanches of cards; they are super streamlined 2-card packages (like vault/key or tinker/blightsteel). Yes, you do see big flurries of cards being played in Vintage, but they aren't "the combo", they are players digging for their combo pieces, or generating card advantage. There certainly are a lot of interactions to remember in Vintage, but they happen as individual interactions with a variety of possible choices being made, rather than as long chains of interactions that all rely on each other. There's complex stuff about how Trinisphere and Thorn interact with Force of Will... But you learn that by it coming up in a real game, and knowing better for next time. And yes, you do get blown out. But that's fine, it's just one game. By contrast, in YGO, if you don't know the whole chain of interactions you don't understand how this whole deck works whatsoever. You can't really just jump into a game and learn as you go.

[@Cms7899]

@@lostalone9320 This is primarily due to two reasons. One reason is the lack of any type resource system outside of card advantage. Game design wise, there are very few design choices that keep the game in check. In addition to this, the number of special summons in YGO was never capped, so the number of monsters being summoned per turn has slowly increased over the years to be where it currently is. The second reason is that Magic has multiple well supported formats and YGO just doesn't. From my understanding MTG builds their sets around the rotation format. This means there is a clear reset in power level every 2 (now 3) years. YGO has basically been one upping the previous set (to keep selling product) for almost 25 years with no reset. This has caused things like the length of the card text, the barrier to entry, and the complexity of the game to skyrocket.

[@kylianos3907]

Came here from the Farfa video. I've played this game for almost 20 years now, but I have to admit your criticism is completely valid. This game is borderline impossible to get into and there absolutely no shame in quitting. You honestly gave it a really good shot.

[@Inquisite1031]

my guy used fenrir as an example of tribute summoning was the funniest thing, there are players who just refuse to google shit, and there are games u simply will never get into without learning from others and he is such a person and yu gi oh is such a game so yeah.

[@NachozMan]

I came back after years and immediately just stuck to GOAT format, easy to understand and good back and forth, isn't too stupid, there is still "Oh you played Graceful into Pot and dumped your hand? Hmmm I have 3 normals and 2 off combo pieces and no interaction! Scoop" lol but I kinda like that in a casual setting against friends, makes matches fast to go next and actually get to play, the back and forth interactions in GOAT are second to none in fun factor for me. It reminds me a LOT of Magic The Gatherings "Legacy" format. Basically? Old card formats = win.

[@Jr_North]

@@NachozMan I've played Yugioh for a little under 18 years. These days my time is spent doing 3 things: 1) Experimenting with new decks, theory crafting etc. 2) Having fun collecting the cards. 3) Playing Speed Duels because I find it to be a fundamentally more enjoyable experience.

[@CrowbornChaos]

​@NachozMan GOAT format is not even a legal or recognized format. You are playing a made up game, sir.

[@sturmmagier1]

@@CrowbornChaosExcept it actually is an official recognised format called Time Wizard. It is even played as side events at YCS and WCQs.

[@alanspirand880]

That's what Yu-gi-oh anime should've been: people reading cards in confusion for dozens of minutes and then a moment of action that nobody understands.

[@jackb450]

They have schools for yugioh in the anime, they're good

[@darkira2129]

actually, in the anime card effect is not a public knowledge. but they understand they own deck ofc. it's just dramatic effect like "Haha, my monster can't be destroy by card effect" or something like that.

[@MinhNguyen-kh5zi]

As someone who has played Yugioh for about 4,5 years (I've only started playing since the early days of the Link era, not an absolute old player), I totally get what you're saying about Yugioh not being the best idea to jump into on your own as a newbie. Having a few friends who are down to help out when you've got questions, or even better, can show you the ropes, will make a big difference. I was very happy when some of my friends showed interest in YGO, and I always did my best to help them get the hang of Yugioh and played some games with them to have some fun together. They still keep playing YGO ever since then.

[@MikeMozzaro]

I was opposite. I messed around with the cards as a kid but never took it seriously and dropped it in 2005. It's only when an acquaintance of mine let me know last year that they played YuGiOh, that I started trying to get into it just on my own. I didn't have a coach, but I watched people online, I looked and planned before hand about what decks I might enjoy, and basic ideas of how the modern game plays. Was it hard? Absolutely. But unlike Rarran, when I got around to actually downloading and playing Master Duel; I never had that feeling of hitting a wall or not feeling satisfied. I don't think it's necessary about having a coach or a freind to guide you; but you 100% need to properly understand what it is your getting into. Coaches and the like are a good help with that.

[@mlg9814]

I dont get why people say its so complicated i start playing the game on a ygopro it had no guide what so ever and i didnt watch any videos of it it was before the pendulum era it took me a week to learn all the mecanics and my english wasnt even at basic levels you just need to play like 5 games and you mostly know everything

[@johnbabylon4514]

@@mlg9814 its easy to learn the mechanics. but to understand what is happening in the game (like rarran's problem) you need to be familiar with the staples and their effects. The difficulty curve is not in the mechanics but in the amount of knowledge and familiarity you have of the cards. Which takes more than 5 games.

[@MinhNguyen-kh5zi]

@@mlg9814 Yugioh isn't as complicated as people think if you approach the game right. Sometimes all it takes is just one oldbie player to tell you on what to learn first and giving you the names of some "simple but decent enough" decks to start with (pure Evil Twin without Spright, for example), so you can dive into KZbin and start exploring. Rarran did tried to figure out how to play the game but diving straight into Master Duel for 4 hours straight is just not a good way to approach it.

[@filipvadas7602]

Its difficult even as a returning player. I stopped playing roughly towards the end of the GX era and only recently came back to it. I had a foundation so it wasn't too hard to get used to the newer summoning mechanics and the additional field zones, but I still sometimes get a bit overwhelmed by the sheer number of things going on. And I always feel bad for newer players who just instantly get disheartened because the game looks really difficult, arguibly only slightly more difficult than it actually is.

[@Rebornblader]

I've been playing Yugioh for about 15 years. Videos like this break my heart. It's a great game and it's very frustrating seeing Konami do absolutely nothing to make it more approachable for new players.

[@michel0dy]

If I didn't have over a decade of experience with yugioh I don't know if I would have the resilience to learn it today, it's rough and I can definitely relate to the feelings in this video 😅

[@dangerwarg9682]

It's easy. All of the new shit is based on the old shit in same way. You know how Ritual summoning works? The blue cards. And the fusion summoning right? The purple ones. Synchro summoning (white cards) is just like Ritual summoning. Only that instead of a ritual spell card, you need a tuner monster on the field with enough not-tuner monsters to add up to EXACTLY the level of the Synchro monster you want to summon. Xyz summoning (black cards) is just like Fusion summoning. Only that instead of the specific monsters, you need monsters with matching levels on the field. The materials used will be used as ammo for their effects. Pendulum Summoning is just like a Normal Summoning on crack. You can only do it once per turn and you can special summon as many monsters you want as long as their level is BETWEEN the scales of each pendulum monster you have in each pendulum spell zone. Link Summoning is just like Ritual AND Fusion summoning. Where instead of levels, the number of monsters matter. And I ain't going over the rest of this shit. lol

[@michel0dy]

@@dangerwarg9682 basing the new shit on the old shit only works if you're familiar enough with the old shit. If you're 100% new to the game it's just a ton of shit. And even if you're familiar with the old shit, there's just too many elements that can come into play at the same time in very specific ways. I love yugioh, but it's not easy.

[@dangerwarg9682]

@@michel0dy It's very easy. He isn't 100% new, and even then anyone can figure it once you got the basics down. Not be like some useless idiot contriving all the sorts of goofy bullshit to confuse people just because he couldn't handle how high tier play tends to be. High tier play which Master Duel is advertised to be about. More importantly, do you have any idea how much different shit is NOW compared to before they started fucking it up with pendulums then links? As a player who played kid's stuff at 2004, quit, THEN got back into the game only a year ago, I can safely say, not a whole lot cuz man what a good time to get back into the game it was. Rituals haven't changed. Tributes hasn't changed. Fusions haven't changed. Normal summoning hadn't changed. Traps haven't changed. Noticed the pattern here yet? Spells still work the same. The game is still very literal, so pay attention to those keywords like destroy or negate. Special summoning hasn't changed. Quick effects or "hand traps" are still fucking the same. And the 4 to 6 new shits are all very similar to what was originally there. And extensive changes mostly deal with pendulums and links. Like if you really want to get back into the playing solo mode in Master Duel is fine. You could get Legacy of the Duelist, but I can't guarantee it won't be boring.

[@dbhDilemma]

​@dangerwarg9682 This is some wild cope lol

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

​@@dangerwarg9682 bro wrote 3 paragraphs, said there's too much for him to go over the rest of it, but opened with "it's easy" 😂😂😂 Veteran YGO players really don't fucking understand the new player experience worth shit, do they?

[@Shoepots]

The things that keep me playing Yu-Gi-Oh over other card games is because it's so different. I really like that there isn't a card rotation and you can just theorycraft and brainstorm endlessly. Deck building in YGO is more fun than any other card game imo. Also I actually like that it's complicated because it leads way to crazy combos. The biggest issue is that it's gotten to a point where turn 1 takes 5-10 minutes and the best decks are just ones that don't let your opponent play anything. Because of that, I usually wouldn't recommend YGO to almost anyone.

[@cfelton2nd]

the game isn't creative there is no theory crafting/brainstorming its play this archetype.deck

[@darkira2129]

if you want to recommend Yu-Gi-Oh to someone, don't start with master duel. I don't have legacy of duelist but I assume it's the best one to learn about the game digitally? but in my experience I just pirate psp games of yugioh tag duel.

[@LiMe251]

I don't even know what card rotation is or how mana systems work, magic and hearthstone are so complex.

[@Badalight]

But most card games have formats that don't rotate. Magic has multiple - vintage and commander.

[@haniffwilsongamingchannel749]

Start with EdoPro... and if I have some time in between work, I can duel with you and or your friend(s), for funsies and to teach you what I know.

[@bruis1527]

Chat is actually devious for starting you with salamangreat. It’s easy to pick up after learning the game, but holy hell is it confusing to outside players.

[@Csthh]

Very devious, should have gone with cyber dragons, at least you can learn fusion summoning and then go into a bit of xyz if your lucky.

[@AerosolBlade]

Honestly I think he should've gone for live*twin, I've seen that deck being played by a lot of newcomers last year, because it's a very easy deck to learn and figuring out what the win con is. It's not the best deck, but it sure is easy. Normal summon red or blue live twin, special the other live twin. Link them of for red evil twin, special a live twin, link for blue evil twin, special red live twin to draw, special trouble sunny. A quick seven step combo. Put all the staples in the deck and you have a very easy, mid level strong deck, with a decent game plan. Personally I don't really like that deck that much, but I sure have seen a lot of newcomers have fun with it.

[@Csthh]

@@AerosolBlade live twins are pretty fun as well, you can master them and then go into things like live twin spright. Pretty good choice and not expensive as well

[@bruis1527]

@@AerosolBlade I always recommend dragon maid to newbies but live twin is pretty good too.

[@littlemage3432]

​@@AerosolBlade i think maju great pick for new players

[@hi-i-am-atan]

y'know i think this vid helps put into words something that's kinda obvious but has mostly just kinda lingered in my head as a vague thought for who knows how long: getting into ygo isn't the easiest thing, but it's _waaaaay_ harder if you have preconceived notions about what a trading card game is like, think about it. in most card games, you _can_ get away with just playing cards on curve and see a good amount of success immediately, getting to learn the exact nuances of your cards and how they combo while coasting by on the sheer consistent power of midrange play. if someone hands you a decent deck ( and, y'know, they're not yanking your chain by handing you an arcane combo deck for your first game ), you don't really have to know the purpose of each card in that deck; you just need the know the basic mechanics of the game and that's enough to get you started meanwhile, ygo _requires_ you to fully read your cards ( or have someone read how to use 'em to you ) to have any idea on how you use 'em. much like a complete beginner to a medium would like, the peeps recommending salamangreat to rarran as a good learning deck were ... certainly making a decision, but not because salamangreat is a _bad_ learning deck. you look at gazelle without more context than "graveyard = dead" ( which, y'know, is context you can garner from knowing english ) and it immediately tells you that it can replace a salamangreat that dies. then, when you summon it, you get to kill a salamangreat sitting in your deck, but why would you want to do that? well, the first effect answers that: if you have two gazelle in your hand, you can normal summon one, pitch something from your deck, and then summon the second copy. and since you now have the concept of sending monsters to the gy to trigger further effects, you have the opportunity to make the connection that since links send their material to the gy, you can also summon gazelle by normal summoning a different salamangreat and linking it away such as spinny. spinny can revive itself if you have another salamangreat, so you can use spinny as your normal summon, link it into balelynx, trigger gazelle's summon, and then revive spinny. bam, you now have three materials for salamangeat's marquee card, heatleo. balelynx even digs sanctuary out of your deck, so you can even play around with salamangreat's gimmick of reincarnation link summon. except ... couldn't we have used gazelle's other effect to get into the same situation, since spinny just needs to go into the gy, regardless of how? that's a no, because you aren't putting spinny in the gy in a way that puts another monster onto the field, resulting in only two materials when you revive it ... unless you summon something like jaguar instead and use _that_ to link into balelynx, putting gazelle onto the field and plopping spinny into the gy. jaguar can _also_ revive itself, albeit with a stricter condition and a cost, so you've taken two cards from your hand and turned them into a potential four monsters on your field ( + sanctuary in your hand from balelynx ) and like, that might seem like a lot, but that's 3 cards. if you're running a full playset of each, that's nearly a quarter of your main deck. and it's not like you have a full understanding of how to use 'em, no, but the principles of how they all connect are forming. spinny and jaguar are monsters you want in the gy, and gazelle wants you putting salamangreats into the gy and helps you dump more into it. foxy _also_ revives itself, though with the most specific condition and biggest cost, but also helps you find cards like gazelle on normal summon. roar and rage are powerful trap cards that can be found using foxy and get even stronger when paired when reincarnation link summoning, with roar being a strong negate that outright recycles itself when you use the gimmick. but it can only do so once before being banished. but this deck has a clear theme of digging stuff out of the gy, so what if there's a better way to recycle roar? well, it just so happens that falco and sunlight wolf both do exactly that, with falco being _yet another_ self-reviving monster and wolf being a great bridge for link climbing that can also recycle a foxy or gazelle ( or the copy of itself you just reincarnated it into ) for your next turn. and wolf's backrow recycle triggers off of reincarnation, so you can theoretically recycle two copies of roar while simultaneously getting rage's more powerful effect online. and, y'know ... wolf can dig backrow out of the gy, and gazelle can pitch more than salamangreat _monsters_ with its on-summon effect ... there's just a certain _flow_ to ygo decks that can be hard to pick up on if you're reading all your cards for the first time under a turn timer, but go through a test hand or two while just taking in what your cards do and the web starts to fall into place. hell, i'm not even _good_ with salamangreats; all of this is mostly just off of rereading the cards in that deck profile for the first time in ages, with some vague memories from the show ( which, admittedly, isn't the best resource due to them sometimes using beta or just flat-out different versions of the cards ) helping me know what the hell a "reincarnation link summon" is ( it's anime for link summoning a link monster using another copy of itself, which is a funny but useless quirk of the mechanic that salamangreat sanctuary turns into an actual thing ) granted, none of this helps if you've got the type of brain that makes mapping out combo webs feel like homework, so it's not like going in like you've never seen a card before is a surefire way to _get_ ygo. i've often joked that ygo cards read like they're written by programmers, for programmers, and it's not exactly inaccurate to how the game plays as a whole, either. it's a game of logic, complete with axioms that actively oppose common sense and interactions that seem absolutely arcane if you don't have a grasp on all the steps causing them. if you're someone who feels sick to their stomach when they see some algebra, it is absolutely _not_ the game for you - but, conversely, if you feel a rush upon picking apart a complex equation and start to grasp more and more how it all works out, then it might just be the best card game to pick up just, like. if it's a game for programmers, then it's a game for specifically programmers who can be handed a poorly-documented api and not want to die. because, yeah, it's not _just_ master duel that has serious issues with teaching the game, _hooo_ boy,

[@sewing1847]

This comment is so good at explaining what I love about Yugioh actually For me, the fun has always been looking at decks like challenges. Do I have the resources to break this board? Is there any interaction I can make happen here that will help me? What pieces of the puzzle I need to make this happen? For me there's no greater joy in this game that discovering the exact path to a combo, that baiting the opponent to negate the wrong thing. Than realizing that I know my deck so well I can instantly tell what are my possibilities And that can only appen because of how full of bizarre and obscure interactions this game is. I love playing normally until someone activates something that reacts weirdly to another effect and suddenly we have no card in board. Or discovering that thanks to some weird wording this card completely kill this strategy concretely. Is part of the joy for me, knowing that there's always something to learn Granted, while I didn't start playing actually until Master Duel came out, I started watching the anime and seeing duels since I was like 8, so I really can't understand a completely new player experience Anyway 10/10 comment couldn't have explain it better

[@Cuestrupaster]

This comment is the most yugioh comment I've seen, I can't even read it because it's so long.

[@Birginio420]

Ahh yes.. the yugioh players posting walls of text. We just love to read i guess

[@poopoo7107]

@@Birginio420 who's gonna tell'em

[@rayquazapasta6272]

​@@sewing1847oh for sure, I feel like im in the anime when a card in my deck I thought was useless completely gives me the game

[@michaeld8705]

The ongoing "I hardly know her" jokes are the consistency I need in my life

[@cactusguy4363]

There are two types of Yugioh player: 1. Johnny Combo, heir to the combo fortune 2. "I think dragons are neat"

[@r3zaful]

1. Good luck l breaking my board lmao (going first) 2. Pathetic, even my grandma can make a better board(going 2nd) 3. Me like purple cards me like annoy my opponent(stun) 4. I love cute things(waifu decks) 5. I want to make my opponent commit sudoku(warcrimes stall)

[@Ribara]

As someone who started playing Yugioh properly from Master Duel: It took me almost A YEAR to understand how the game really works. It is really annoying how I would never learn in-depth rules (like spell speed, difference between effect timing activation, term like 'cost and effect' , "target and non-target" etc.) without help from my friends because the game will never teach you about them. Yes, I agree the game has become ridiculous nowadays, but Yugioh is also the most satisfying card game to learn about.

[@MatthewCJoy]

Why not just play a better card game?

[@Bleighckques]

Honestly, I think the best way for Rarran to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh! would be to start with some single-player games. I don't mean run through the PvE on Master Duel, I mean like hopping into a World Championship game from like 2008-2013. That way there's no pressure to read fifteen cards quickly during your opponent's turn or try to keep up with 10 minute combos. He could just take his time and learn some basics with some old school cards and strategies. Maybe then he would enjoy it more.

[@DotonDomu]

Or try to play Edison format on Dueling Book

[@Ellio123]

Yeah but that's not the real game, the real game is turn 1 combos, playing single player doesn't teach you anything useful, he already knows the very basics

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

I feel he needs someone to teach him, it’s overwhelming if you don’t know where to start

[@Sipricy]

@@Ellio123 Going back and playing older games would allow him to get basics under his belt before he starts playing. It's not about "playing the real game", it's about gaining an understanding of how the game operates. You don't expect a baby to learn how to swim by throwing it into the ocean.

[@Ellio123]

@@Sipricy he knows the basics

[@jadesstrmbrnmxmff]

7:01 Even anime Yu-Gi-Oh had a Duelist Academy to teach duelers, so its not a bad idea having a coach 😂

[@darkira2129]

Honestly 20 more years. it won't be stupid to have Yugioh Academy.

[@aure2549]

Imagine a card game where they don't use the term OTK because basically every single deck can OTK but instead they use FTK because some decks can even kill you before your first turn

[@ulisesmunguia8715]

It's almost even crazier than that already. At full power, Tearlaments were capable of essentially winning the game during THE OPPONENT'S FIRST TURN. Yes, that means you could win BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD A TURN, because YOU BASICALLY COULD PLAY YOUR TURN DURING YOUR OPPONENT'S TURN

[@superboomn]

@@ulisesmunguia8715 ZERO TURN KILL ZTK

[@tiredguy2753]

Imagine a card game where a whole genre of cards is deemed useless unless you can activate it from your hand? No need to imagine because that is what happened to traps in Yugioh. Yugioh has reached a point where it is so fast that traps (unless you are specifically running a trap based deck) are seen as to slow/useless to include in your deck unless the trap can be activated from the hand (hence the ever popular imperm and evenly matched). I mean heck I have never seen a card game almost completely invalidate a card type but that is the power creep of Yugioh.

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@tiredguy2753this was inevitable with quick play spells, like they literally mimic trap cards at the cost of turning off their spell nature when you set them; can’t activate this turn but anytime the next turn the only thing keeping traps as traps was that traps tend to devastate the board or certain plays like torrential tribute, dimension prison and bottomless etc but these days traps are the only cards allowed to have overpowered effects with little to no cost

[@brutalnobody5240]

​@@tiredguy2753activate from the hand or win the game out right

[@jimzh7669]

I was there for both streams. Just to note I think it's really funny that you put kastira fenrir as the above level 4 monster that you can tribute summon because inheritly its effect says you can just special summon it if you control no monsters completely bypassing the rule of tribute summoning

[@AnonymousProffession]

There's so much text on all of the cards that I'm not surprised how easy it is to fuck things up. Yu Gi Oh has two gigantic issues that make the game unapproachable to new players, and saying "it's funny that you made a misplay in a card game that sucks at getting new players in" is unironically just salt in the wound. The first and biggest issue is that there's one common format (four sanctioned, but two are basically the same, and one is just "pauper") and it's terrible. Here's every card ever with a small ban list. Yes, deckbuilding is at it's highest (like commander and vintage in magic) but you don't start a new player there; that's a recipe for getting overwhelmed and curb stomped. And that's exactly what happened, and there's such a massive backlash in the comments from people who just cannot fathom the idea that someone gets into the game and is overwhelmed. The second issue is that there's just too much goddamn text. I spoke with a friend who also played Yu Gi Oh, Magic and Hearthstone back in 2014, and he was like "yeah, imagine if cards had keyboards instead of massive blobs of text." Players make misplays in magic when cards have two words of text, like deathtouch and trample. Imagine how easy it is to fuck up when the average playable card in Yu Gi Oh has literally over thirty words on it each, and six of them just got played, and you need to play them to have a chance.

[@jimzh7669]

@AnonymousProffession what the fuck are you talking about I'm talking about the card he used as a card that can be special summoned rather than tribute summoned. It's the first line of text on the card. Also i agree with most of rarrans points. I think he could enjoy this game but it would take way to much time to actually figure out the format.

[@LiMe251]

​@@AnonymousProffessiondude, your shortest paragraph is more text than the largest yugioh card, get it together.

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

​@@LiMe251his paragraphs made more sense structurally than your average virtual world card

[@dkznikolaj7013]

@AnonymousProffession Yugioh players are so strange. If you suggest keywords to them they get an aneurism . I have had like 5 different players tell me that they don't have keywords because KEYWORDS ARE TOO HARD TO REMEMBER. They're playing a game where every card has afucking book for an effect, and they are saying "search your deck for 1 normal monster" being abreviated to "seek: 1 normal monster" is too hard to remember? It's actually pretty fun to make up keywords for phrases and see how much you can condence a yugioh cards text. I figured out that 60% of their card effects are usually "You can only use the effect of [longassfuckingmonstername] once pr turn and only once that turn". Which is stupidly long when you can just give it a keyword like... "Timelocked" or whatever the fuck you want. Yes, they would need a bunch to differentiate between the similar effects with deviations, but its asinine that yugioh players pretend keywords are a bad thing. I mean come on... They literally have the keyword "piercing" to avoid writing "When this card attacks a monster in defense position, it deals damage to the opponents lifepoints equal to the difference between the defending monsters defense and this cards attack" - which was how it used to be. But nooooo... "Piercing" is cleraly too hard.

[@celes24]

I think the best way to learn this game is to play it on any consoles. I've been playing Yugioh on emulators from GBA to DS to PSP (and probably those 1on1 games on PC where you play with either Yugi, Kaiba or Joey). With this, it gradually introduce features in the game without overloading you with information. This is like playing Wild format on Hearthstone and you had to learn and collect worth of 6 years of cards.

[@kayneassasin]

Lol what? The DS and psp games are great but that's because they never got this newer stuff that sucks

[@dkznikolaj7013]

it won't be. Those games are way way slower and still at the state where yugioh made sense.

[@kayneassasin]

@@dkznikolaj7013 and that's why my favorite game is still the DS 2011 game. My only complaint is I am stuck at like 99% cards unlocked and I have no idea what the missing cards are. I'm also pretty sure there is a random story side quest somewhere I can't find which is responsible for the missing cards. Well one other complaint, I wish there was a turn off banlist option instead of the play with one banned card ban list which still has a ban restricted list.

[@grit1]

The objective is not to reduce their LP to zero, the objective is to get your opponent mad (in said process of reducing them to 0)

[@r3zaful]

Playing stall stun turning 10 minutes duel into an hour you meant?

[@RaineBans]

rarely ever LP reduces to 0 before surrender

[@grit1]

@@RaineBans Don't worry, you get them mad way before that total hits 0 too

[@Hung_Nguyen_90]

Send them to shadow realm is the ultimate goal

[@Harbiter]

The objective is to Mind Crush your opponent.

[@canagaoglu2684]

This was so interesting to see how new players see YGO, really nice vid loved it. For some context to those who never played/saw ygo, master duel is a whole different game compared to on paper irl play. Different banlists, cardpool, best of ones, no side deck (which is one of the most important parts in the game imo) Also in this vid he made it like its unwinable if you go 2nd in games which is false, for example when he played against rikka (last match) with that hand he could easily break the board and took control of the board into wining the game. Yes im a bit bias since i love this fucked up game with everything it has and yes without a friend to explain you how to play its almost impossible to get in the game. Its always interesting to see how other card game players reacts to other card games good work as always

[@wereartmaddness5226]

Completely agree with you

[@rapidwaterwolf1]

The thing is, literally every other card game with an online format is teachable through an in game tutorial, and you can understand what's happening. YGO has some of the most fucked up mechanic bloat that I've ever seen in any game ever. I knew how to play OG YGO and couldnt tell wtf was going on through 80% of that gameplay. The original game was actually pretty simple, and honestly really fun, but somewhere along the way the design team just got lost.

[@Rynjinivar]

@@rapidwaterwolf1 The original game was a quite literal worse ripoff of Magic the Gathering and there was zero reason to play it over Magic for the first ~8-10 years of its existence. People are nostalgic about the Duel Monsters era because of the anime, but the game was fucking awful at that point.

[@kmaple9]

@@Rynjinivar funny thing is, MtG has way more of a mechanic bloat than YGO, it's just that MtG has rotation and YGO doesn't Also, the anime's first season was actively not following the rules of the game so...

[@rapidwaterwolf1]

@@Rynjinivar the game played nothing like magic. You can argue it's worse but not that it's a version of the same game lmao. Not having land and colors alone radically changes a card game.

[@Eithunna]

To be fair, a third of the text is make sure effects are not spammed by that card or attempts to FURTHER abuse an effect. Some common terminology regarding this. Hard once per turn: card uses effect once that turn, no exceptions. soft once per turn: effect can be repeated depending on wording by playing another or if that card is replayed due to being sent back to where it came from and replayed.

[@weberman173]

if the card uses [card of name] in the once per turn clause, its hard, it affects every copy. if it doesn't, it only affects this instance of the card, if it gets removed from the field in any way, and brought back that's a new instance of that card

[@kencyrus4398]

I didn't learn with a coach but another friend learning the game. Instead of getting stomped by people doing ridiculous stuff I was able to grow as I competed with someone else also learning

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

All the opinions and frustrations in this video feel very honest. It's practically impossible for me to imagine how learning Yu-Gi-Oh from scratch feels to a newcomer, but this does give me an idea. I swear it is very much a fun (albeit potentially very frustrating) game once you get the hang of it. On that note, I wanted to offer a bit of info to maybe add a bit of nuance to the opinions could get from watching this video; throughout the world championship the winrate for going first was 57%, so there's a lot more to it than establishing a board and winning. Even in the replay shown the combo didn't just go off uncontested, the opponent stopped it at 2 different points but the player going first was able to power through due to ripping into a very powerful card that's limited to 1 copy.

[@C3l3bi1]

"I swear it is very much a fun " as someone that has learn the game from scratch a year ago, and played for a couple weeks, no it is not fun the only people that think its fun are people that played it al ong time or for nostalgia

[@tariqmcmaster8668]

@@C3l3bi1that’s just your opinion. I learned the game 2 years ago, and it’s still very fun to play.

[@NachozMan]

@@C3l3bi1 I only find GOAT fun, aka the literal 2006 Nostalgia format rules/legalist lol.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@C3l3bi1 I started playing the game last year and I still play Master Duel today.

[@somedudeontheinterwebs45]

But that's the problem. You CAN'T get the hang of it without *LITERALLY GETTING A TUTOR!!* What kind of "game" needs a TUTOR just to get you in the fucking door??? Not even high-skill, near-zero-RNG games like Chess don't have this issue!!!

[@Nyhmnim]

Yu-Gi-Oh! definitely isn’t for everyone - and that’s okay!! Thanks for taking the time to try our silly little card game :) See you back at the Tavern!

[@mopsik56]

So sad there wasn't a collab between you and Rarran. I think that could have been so sick :(

[@Sfalma274]

I think the most important thing to get into Yu-Gi-Oh is the mindset. You're not playing hearthstone or magic, game don't last many turns, but that doesn't mean they don't last long; Game that last 2-3 turns are still 10-15 minutes long. You don't have to think about the turn counter, because interaction happens in every turn, both yours and your opponents. Sure sometimes you'll draw no card to interact with your opponent or cards to break an established and they will draw a perfect hand. In that case you're likely to lose. Keep in mind this can happen whether you're going first or second depending on your draw. Complaining about this is fair, but don't tell me that drawing bad and losing never happens in other card game as well. In hearthstone aggro vs control matchup can go both ways depending on the draw, whether you draw your removal or not, and whether your opponents draw all the high end cards of their deck and starts playing turn 3. Now addressing going first: it is true, going first is very strong, but handtrap and board breaker help you win though seemingly unbreakable board. Remember that at the core, Yu-Gi-Oh is a best of 3, with side deck (up to 15 cards that you can switch with 15 cards from your deck: for matchup, or for going second), so it becomes unlikely to not draw handtrap or board breaker multiple games in a row (can still happen, and will still happen, that's card game for ya). The meta in general is fast, but not all decks are, midrange and control deck exist, with the same premises as other card game, wiggle down all your opponents resources and then win (generally during turn 4-5). Big combo deck exists and can be incredibly hard to beat if you don't have a way to interact with them and stop their combo, that is also when skill is shown, knowing your opponents deck and understanding the best time to stop their play in a certain way. Yu-Gi-Oh is a hard game, and should be treated as such, like many difficult game it requires time to process and metabolize and you shouldn't expect to beat someone that has been playing this game for years in the first 20 or so hours. The best way to learn Yu-Gi-Oh is by far choosing a deck and studying it, analyzing what every useful card does. Instead of reading every card you card search for the basic combo for that deck (i do this often when i want to learn a new deck). That doesn't mean that you can't play the deck until you memorized every cards, but once you've seen what that deck can do, you can play it and understand what you've done wrong, and what you could have done better. Learning a deck is very rewarding, but also time-consuming to learn well. Generally each archetype has a main gimmick, my best advice is to identify the main thing that separates this archetype from the others. Example: weather painter works with monster adjacent to certain spell/trap that grants them bonus effect that activates by banishing the monster. Kashtira can summon themselves if you control no other monster, have cards with effect that plays with banished cards, and can make all cards on the field get banished instead of sent to the graveyard. Spright can all summon themselves and activate their effect if you control a level 2 monster and so on. By learning how to play a deck, you'll learn by proximity the mechanics of the game, and what the other decks do by playing against them. In conclusion, Yu-Gi-Oh is hard, takes time to learn and is very rewarding when you do so. High cost, high reward, just like other difficult games.

[@darkira2129]

this is why i usually said that other card game is strategy games with luck element, but yugioh is different, it's luck game with strategy element.. so they can adjust they expectations.

[@GumshoeClassic]

Ygo for me is one of those games that becomes infinitely more fun in a less competitive setting. While there is the occasional interactive top deck, the meta tends to revolve around hard negation and lockdowns. Throwing hands with more janky decks from the mid/low tiers is way more fun in my opinion. Mayakashi, Flower Cardian, Karakuri, Suships (friendly psa to anyone reading this, even if you're not into ygo, look at Suships they're the pinnacle of monster design). The lower power level also allows for more funky tech, and for the strongest benefit of the gigantic card pool to shine: deckbuilding is really fun. Also you can play best of 3s with a sidedeck. Something that Master Duel, *FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON,* doesn't have. Sideboarding is really important for this game, plus it helps with going second.

[@Rairiky]

Can't agree more,if a meta deck catches your eye by all means but the fun of a none rotating format is that most decks are complete and legal,so by extension they will have a coherent game plan even if it's not good enough for meta

[@Birginio420]

A fellow roge deck enjoyer.

[@lorenzoterrasi4491]

This Is actually great feedback for Konami. The two major things emerging from this video are: 1) Yu-Gi-Oh came out in the early 2000s, and back then people were much more inclined to play with other people to learn the game. If you take away the social aspect, you're left with "needing a coach", which is really bad for people wanting to play Master Duel on their own. This is a big problem even according to Konami, but they are yet to realize how to act on it. 2) The introduction of past, less complex formats would make the learning curve a lot smoother and enjoyable for new players. Also Master Duel being Bo1 might be even more frustrating for people who are yet to understand the importance of handtraps or just don't have them yet. I hope they're gonna act on these flaws in the coming years.

[@stef4oben88]

You actually can 100% learn everything on your own without a coach or even reading guides. But for that you need to genuinely find the game interesting and be willing to thing a lot about your deck, search for cards and try combos on your own. It does take a lot of time and effort, but there are some things konami should do about the readability of cards 😂

[@Rizz3n]

I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh back in elementary school. We would always watch the anime after school and were so hyped when the cards finally released in our country. I got the Yugi deck and a friend of mine got the Kaiba one. Had tons of fun, but the rules were waaaaay simpler when the card game came out haha. Tributing monsters was as complicated as it would get haha. Sold all my cards back in the day for like 200€, when I stopped playing for good, but I kinda regret it now. Would love to see through all my cards again.

[@Karma_YTCh]

I got into YuGiOh a handful of years ago and what really helped me learn how to play the game was understanding that most decks can be split into two groups. Go 1st vs go 2nd. Decks that want to go first normally have big combos that end in having lots of distruption to as you said stop your opponent from playing the game. They're the most likely to run traps (other than Evenly Match a comeback effect trap card) as well as monsters with negate tools/quick effect removal. Going 1st is essentially YuGiOh's version of the control archetype (I liken it to Blue in MTG.) Going 2nd however focuses on dismantling your opponent's defence in whatever way you can. There are many ways they adapt to this and each are deck specific the most common however being Handtraps (i believe you were shown some before) like Ash Blossom, Max C and Bystials (cards that can distrupt a key piece of your opponent's turn or draw you more resources to make you harder to stop) they are also most likely to run very high attack point monsters and board clears in order to essentially OTK their opposistion. The best of both of these decks can play through at least one of your opponent's disruption features while still going full send. I personally play Magic the Gathering Commander as my card game of choice but it did use to be YuGiOh and before that hearthstone. YuGiOh is without a doubt the worst taught card game out of all I've played but despite that playing either with friends or climbing ranked can be a blast. As for very simple beginner friendly decks for anyone trying to get into YuGiOh I would recommend Blue Eyes OTK (Xyz or Choas Max varient. You go 2nd summon big boi slap opponent ezpz) Eldlich (Trap cards the deck edition. Very simple cards that require no explanation further than what they say on the tin.) Dark Magicians (Summon the main character himself and have your funny spells banish enemy cards.) ABC Dragon Buster! (Use the power of the alphabet to stop your opponent playing the game.) Cyber Dragons (negates with strong OTK possibility. Decently flexible.) Galaxy Eyes (Massive attack dragons with enough flexibility to go 1st since they got a lil disruption of their own.) To conclude however since it's the internet and I'm awaiting "those decks are bad" yes they are not meta decks however their purpose serves to teach someone the game without overloading them. I personally climbed to platinum 1 when master duel first released (the highest rank at the time) with Blue Eyes OTK running a Galaxy Eyes package. I've done the same again in Tear 0 format going into the newer diamond ranks playing ABCs. These decks are by no means unplayable but i find that they can sometimes get poor hands resulting in quick losses. Sorry if this was too wordy I'm very passionate about YuGiOh and the current state of the game has made the playerbase in my opinion stagnate. Thank you to anyone who read all of this I wish you all the best.

[@doublereel-real]

Surprised SwordSoul isn't on this list, the deck has an easy to learn main combo and relatively simple monsters while being able to go 1st and 2nd with a very high skill ceiling when the Tenyi package is added. I'd say its the easiest meta relevant deck to learn outside of maybe mathmech.

[@StoneColdMan2294]

@@doublereel-realAlso the tenti stuff has non effect monsters like monk which are good for introducing players to mechnics like link summoning without them having the bonus hassle of having to read the link cards themselves. Also from memory the tenyi non effect monsters are fairly easy to get

[@darkira2129]

@@doublereel-real Branded deck is also easy to learn but a bit harder to play optimally, but it's pretty much worse on current format tho since bystial make the deck more complicated and they got hit in the banlist.

[@doublereel-real]

@@darkira2129 one of the reasons I think branded isn't a good deck for beginners is that the deck straight up loses to ash and has confusing ruling between branded lost, branded fusion and ash. These things make it less of a beginner friendly deck imo.

[@mihaimorar2043]

I have been playing this game for almost 10 years now and I love the fast pace of the game, I love it's complexity. I love the game as is, even if I am well aware it isn't perfect. HOWEVER One issue that many players are well aware of with the game is the new player experience. The tutorials in Master Duel, believe it or not, used to be WORSE. Getting into this game is fucking hard, man, there's no denying it. Yu-Gi-Oh!, at a base level, is the most complex card game I've ever played. This is part of the game's appeal, but it makes it really hard to get into.

[@claire6452]

Maybe reading what the cards do would help, so you don't use two dragonmaid quick effects that do nothing on turn 1 because they glow. Just an idea, though. What do I know, really.

[@mattmanncan]

Trying to read 50 words of text and comprehend it in like a minute, several times over, isn't actually that easy when you are dealing with combos, synergies, and new terms.

[@lordhelpme7383]

the issue is that he did read the cards, they card descriptions are just incomprehensible unless you already know what it means @@claire6452

[@Csthh]

I mean it would have been better if he just finished duel training, and understood the summoning mechanics it would have been better.

[@Badbufon]

@@Csthh while he could have finished the tutorials, solo mode is terrible, you have to play shitty cards against a shitty AI. and i don't think that it will translate well into an actual match or deck building. i think most people learn Master Duel by watching yugioh videos tbh. it could be cool of they introduce a classic casual mode where you can play old caveman yugioh, because the casual mode we have now is all over the place.

[@kaianderson9920]

I only started playing YGO because of master duel, and it was just as hard for me as for you. I barely understood what a Pendulum Summon even is, but after constantly playing through the solo content, all the mechanics mostly made sense, and a few videos later and the lesser known mechanics were also taken care of. It may seem intimidating, but I would love to continue seeing you improve and maybe even getting to a high rank with a meta deck.

[@parkerc5812]

Even pendulums are simple once you understand most of them aren't very good, and the entire mechanic is highly parasitic. Which makes 9 out of 10 pendulum cards free to dismantle without worrying about it.

[@Jah-68]

yu gi oh was my first card game (irl) , i recently try the game and i'm lost too with that many card, the problem is the online i think , everyone can easily have some good meta deck, in real life even in little tournament not everyone have the card that he need and don't know exactly what he needed , that was fun , like not otk in turn 2 , just some cool game of 20 turn where you can take your time and the only thing that counter you was the trap card and not random shit in hand/gy , srry for bad english hope you understand x)

[@Csthh]

@@parkerc5812 I mean pendulum isn’t that cancerous when you realize that every pendulum deck plays into nibiru, and then all having choke points at electrumite or beyond the pendulum.

[@luminous3558]

@@Csthh Parasitic means its mostly separate from the rest of the game. As all pendulum cards only work in their archetype or pendulum piles.

[@Csthh]

@@luminous3558 rip, we’ll thx for the info. Parasitic though is always used in negative connotations so it kinda of is a bad word placement.

[@Milkybk_]

Yugioh for most of it's lifespan has only been played in person (outside of weird websites that few people used), this provided a much better environment to tackle the barrier to entry as at a tournament or local event you'd be surrounded by people willing to help - I wouldn't dream of learning the game online

[@Evan20000]

9:25 Caught the Labrynth player trying to call "Link" with DBarrier despite that being the one extra deck card type it doesn't block!

[@TimothyGod]

I've done that, it wasn't a good match once i realized

[@Yslohr]

That Lab player should have called Xyz to prevent Stallio

[@r3zaful]

@@Yslohr instead setting d barrier go for prison then get cuclock back to hand, calling xyz preventing stallio summon doesn't do anything if your opponent already have enough mats to summon access.

[@Yslohr]

@@r3zafulAll I'm saying was that calling Xyz with D-Barrier was the best call out of the options of D-Barrier but yes another trap would have been better for sure.

[@CrashOverright]

The "Wall of Text" is a huge barrier to overcome. One Reason why i like MTG a lot more because they have codewords which you can learn pretty quickly.

[@YukiFubuki.]

keywords is another kind of barrier though, both huge amount of text and having to remember various keywords are deterrent to new players each with their own pros and cons

[@reachcole514]

​@@YukiFubuki.Keywords are incredibly easy to remember by comparison

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@reachcole514 and yet i hear stories about people trying to get back into mtg after stopping for a set amount of time and having very hard time because they either forgot keywords if not overwhelmed by the new ones or trying to get into mtg and constantly slipping up on the various keywords ive yet to come across a single person that wasnt already into mtg to say that keywords is easy "keywords easy" is just mtg's version of yugioh's "just read the card" or do people really want to admit they have literacy deficiency

[@reachcole514]

@@YukiFubuki. there's a saying in MTG that goes "reading the card explains the card". Which is largely true for the vast majority of mtg cards. Yu-Gi-Oh also has "keywords". The difference is that Yu-Gi-Oh cards will have multiple keywords, cards types and clauses specified in a large portion of the cards, with no explanation as to what they actually mean or represent. The keywords in MTG are more often than not, a simple mechanic that can be explained in 1 short sentence and is also often included on the card itself with reminder text. If people that played MTG are having a hard time remembering or learning the new keywords than they either aren't trying at all, lying, or are actually dimwitted. MTG at its baseline is an easy game to learn. You can make it more complicated if you want, but it's entirely possible to play well while also using cards a literal 5 year old can understand.

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@reachcole514 a keyword is replacement or substitute text for an entire set of rule text or mechanic essentially a shorthand for instruction of a set of actions or mechanics what yugioh has in card types and clauses arent keywords but terminologies and conditions, the former is a classification of game elements or game aspect and the latter doesnt even count as an ability of a card for it to hypothetically even legalistically be considered a keyword in the first place if you're gonna call types and clauses a keyword then go and call mana a keyword, call the library and hand a keyword, how about something like the beginning phase a keyword too or maybe even the simple action of drawing a card a keyword like whats stopping you there? no offence but the most common fault i find among mtg players practically every time i interact with one is their inability to properly define what a keyword actually is in the context of tcgs 9 out of 10 times but simply slap it on for convenience calling anything and everything a keyword and your words is only reinforcing this notion for me that mtg players dont even understand what keywords are despite constantly advocating for it

[@wolfpact2790]

Started playing yugioh with master duel a year ago. All you have to do to learn the game is to pick one deck and watch a 5 minute combo video of the deck on youtube to learn it and then within one week of playing you will understand how to win consistently even with different decks. The entire video i was screaming at the screen for him to watch a combo video...

[@SHAO_L1N]

Same lol. I also started with master duel and honestly its no where as hard to pick up YGO as he makes it seems. Read your cards lmao

[@stefanokic406]

​@@SHAO_L1Ntbh he zones out when playing hearthstone this aint the game for him

[@saltyseal]

You are completely right by how fucked it is to learn the game if you start with master duel without any prior knowledge. Mainly because of the knowledge gap, where a new player is thrown into a game with 20 years of history and changes they face most likely a player with years of experience. However, as someone who learned to play yugioh about 2 years ago it is a lot of fun to learn and play if you enjoy combo gameplay. Personally, I thought it was really easy to get into the game and learn it because I started with the digital game legacy of the duelist. Which has a story mode where you go through the different series so you go from the really slow playstyle to turbo mode what it is now. Awesome that you stuck with the pain and suffering for 4 hours though!

[@Fencer_Nowa]

Yea lotd while not having super modern cards by this point if I remember right spent a lot of the early story missions with decks designed around slowly getting Into that series summon mechanic that then slowly loosing the ropes let you pop off yourself as a kinda show what you know and free mode helped alot as they played more constructed decks that after that help you get into the groove

[@darkira2129]

yup, if you want to recommend yugioh to someone.. start with legacy

[@narfd.8837]

First of all: THANK YOU for even trying the game out. You tried a game that has the highest learning and skill floor on the market, by far, a game that has so many base mechanics you have to know by heart that it can take even a coach a week to get someone up to speed with the basics. But it is true, the absolute lowest levels of complexity of modern YGO is too much to learn on your own, you basically have to think of it like a doctorate, a massive climb up a mountain just to even be "worthy" of calling you a YGO player. I'm one of those that likes to show people the game, teach them and I use my experience in teaching in schools to approach the game methodically. And yet it is almost impossibly hard to have someone learn the game to a point that playing starts to feel satisfying. I for one use my collection of decks to teach basic mechanics one by one, but before even starting out I always start with the question "Do you enjoy learning?" and only if the answer is "Yes" I can even start to show the game as the amount of knowledge you have to gather to even start playing is a lot. Hundrets of pages of knowledge you have to inhale and keep in your immediate memory. The payoff - if you can stick to it and find your personal niche and level of play - is great, but it's such a hard task that even that plays the game since 2003 cannot recommend to learn it, especially not on your own and even less so online.

[@RomeoBarnes]

Fun fact yugioh does in fact have a resource system. That resource system is the monsters. That's why every deck summon is a -1 excluding link 1 monsters which are zeros. Hand traps like maxx c and ash blossom and joyous spring alongside trap cards are your defense.

[@darkira2129]

is it just your card in general is the resources, not just the monster card?

[@RomeoBarnes]

@@darkira2129 you use monsters to summon other monsters so the monsters themselves are the resource system. Spells and traps are either zeros or -1. An Extra deck summons is always -1 with the exception of link 1 monsters which are mathematically zeros. The hand traps i mentioned are monsters that require you to discard them so again -1 and most hand traps these days require themselves to be discarded. There are other hand traps that summon themselves like Nibru but it gives your opponent a token so again zero and the conditions for the hand traps that summon are much steeper. Yugioh is balanced mathematically speaking it just doesn't look balanced for 2 reasons first because hand traps are so vital to the way defense in the game works and second because boss monsters the ones that come from the extra deck have high attack and negation abilities. There does need to be a fix negation AND high attack together just makes things feel bad. Cards need to have one or the other. They just need to come up with other ways to disrupt the opponent outside of negation. I'm not saying yugioh doesn't have problems, I'm saying the lack of a traditional resource system is not one of those problems.

[@malna6220]

Man, either despite its flaws or precisely because of them, I cant stop loving this stupid game. Hope you enjoy it too

[@Irwanadri666]

Heck yea. Me too bud.

[@Iamsofoxxi]

It's because of its madness that makes it so good.

[@brave1_007]

same here

[@MikeMozzaro]

Doesn't look like he can or will... which actually does make me sad. I go thorugh waves of playing nothign but YGO, and then playing something different; but I also love the game.

[@tomekk.1889]

​@@MikeMozzaroBecause the game is miserable and nigh impossible to get into. It's like a second job trying to undersyand what's happening

[@VVheeli]

There is an extremely steep learning curve to YGO that other TCGs don’t have. But it also doesn’t help that Chat recommended a freaking LINK CLIMB DECK as your second deck to learn, even if Salads are relatively tame for link decks. Like letting someone play HS tutorial mode then dumping an OTK Rogue combo deck on them as their second deck to learn. Of course you’re not going to have a good time, and that’s on Chat for suggesting it. If you want to keep playing Yugioh, my best advice would be to play a deck that doesn’t need the extra deck/a dozen summons to set up a board. Timelords, Phantasm Spiral, Monarchs, Umi Control, or even Numeron or “One Bad Day” stun. They’ll be like Tier 4 decks, but at least you’ll understand the cards in your hand.

[@ratou1]

I was thinking the same, i was thinking to myself there is utopia in the starter decks, why not, its easy and not bad

[@Payohloh]

The problem is that all those decks are terrible lol. Imo he should have just stuck with dragon maid and actually learned the combos. That and actually try the solo mode.

[@meepers0179]

Decks like Tellarknight and Traptrix are a bit easier to start off with, or you can just play a stun deck and set 5 every game.

[@Irwanadri666]

Or learn Numeron and just OTK or scoop every game.

[@renaldyhaen]

The decks from Golden era of YGO.

[@tratanlightbreaker6029]

People who told him to play Salamangreats were coping harder than Plague DK players. That deck is not easy to play. Especially for a new player.

[@fernadogonzalez2940]

Earth machine dont forget earth machine just fill the board with 3000+atk monsters turn 2

[@kappamaster7179]

@@tratanlightbreaker6029 it's not even about being hard, the deck is just too weak for today's standard.

[@01Ichirei10]

I'd recommend watching the progression series by Cimo season 1 to learn the game. Watching the game from it's roots up until current was fun to watch and i picked up how to play synchros to links and learn some decks and combos from that really helped me get up to speed. Also i'd recommend learning to play swordsoul which is a simple and easy deck that does have fair interactions and can compete.

[@yardship]

gotta watch cimo prog, history of yugioh, and the duellogs for three years, play master duel for 2,000+ hours, spend a few hundred dollars to build a mid-tier meta deck, go to locals for two months, and you too can go 2-3!

[@somedudeontheinterwebs45]

It's absurdly asinine to have to watch an entire youtube series just to get in the door for a card game. I could pick up Hearthstone/Magic Arena and nearly fully understand the game within the same amount of time.

[@themoonlitduelist7395]

Op doesn't want to learn he just wants to complain

[@themoonlitduelist7395]

​@@somedudeontheinterwebs45well op wanted to skip all the tutorials, so...

[@somedudeontheinterwebs45]

@@themoonlitduelist7395 No other game tutorial is so bad as to not even teach you basic strategy beyond the rules of the game and "here's a deck, go play it or something". Every. Single. Other. Card game. Teaches you how to play certain strategies like aggro, teaches you basic interactions between creatures/minions and spells. Yugioh is kind of just throwing you in the deep end and seeing what happens. The average newcomer isn't going to spend 90+ minutes watching a youtube series or getting coached just to play a game. They're just going to go to a different card game that can teach them properly and on its own instead.

[@1997dartagnan]

As a long term player who’s been playing this game since I was little, I don’t blame you for a second.

[@neroneroren6788]

As some said, is better to first learn a Deck, not the game itself. As every single deck plays differently from each other. Vaylantz for example moves their cards to trigger effects so you have to deal with them in a particular way, but then you later face Traptrix which focuses on having a lot of traps with removal and thus is dealt another way. You can't just learn the 101s of the game when there's a lot of archetypes which break said 101s. So instead get a deck and learn the combos, endboards, win condition, etc. Then as you play other players and decks you will know what weaknesses they have (e.g. Negating a normal summon which searches key cards usually stops most decks' momentum). You also have to realize that since there's no mana/class restrictions among cards a lot of them are used in a lot of Decks, so soon you will see the likes of Maxx C or Ash Blossom occupying 1/4 of most decks. The other parts are either the engines of the deck (archetype cards and such), other generic cards to deal with recurring game states (Impermanence, Nibiru, etc), and maybe an extra or two that sinergizes with the deck's strategy. That leaves to for example Live Twins be a deck mainly consisting of 10-12 archetype cards, and the rest just being popular cards you see in every other deck.

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

Also vaylantz is the coolest deck ever, i dare you to change my mind

[@darkira2129]

You know control/distribution, negates and floodgate ended up like don't let your opponent play. but they're different in the way they're doing it. control is removing your opponent resources when it's in the place they can use it, floodgates like even if they have their resources you can't use it, you must deal with the floodgate first and negate is negate. so keeping this in mind to break board there's a concept of baiting or forcing card to be activated.

[@swagginbiscuit]

As someone who also got into yugioh pretty late on (2022 for me) I can say that it is a rapid change from other card games. What helped me was I got tons of experience playing in duel rooms with friends before actually heading into casual/comp. Overall I would say I like the changes that make yugioh unique over other card games.

[@Badbufon]

his refusal to have a coach is so dumb, most people get into card games because of their friends, and if you are jumping in a 25 years old complex game you can't just YOLO it, the game can have better tutorials? sure. but from the start this game wasn't a baby game for babies, he was out.

[@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68]

​@@BadbufonI agree even refusing to watch deck profiles or combo guides for the decks he was playing like everyone does that for any card game he has so much experience with hearthstone so he doesn't need it because he knows the cards but he doesn't have the knowledge in Yu-Gi-Oh

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

You loved the game probably because people taught you how to play, rarran tried on his own and that’s probably why he didn’t enjoy the game

[@r3zaful]

@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 you know? Most nijisanji members play master duel self thought through trial and error, most hololive members play master duel off stream like, kobo, Subaru and pekora plays master duel, they can't stream it because Weiss bushiroad contract. You know why these guys like it? Archetypes specific style of play and aesthetic, I mean who doesn't want to play against army of slave dragon with a bunch of doll and cakes? (branded vs madolche) Yugioh as a game Has penetrate the Otaku culture beyond just dark magician and blue eyes stuff, which is the reason why you find more albaz x ecclesia or lovely x the knight doujinshi in yugioh section this year komiket.

[@strownsplx]

Watching your video inspired me to get back into the game after some time after taking a break from the game. This is a chaotic game, but I love it so much.

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

It gets less chaotic by reading the cards lol

[@lilyq1024]

Honestly guides helped me a ton learning this game, alot of creators simplify the deck for you to play it at a basic level and then with that understanding it allows you to know what it's capable of and shenanigans you can do. But good job giving it a try. As a beginner you have to think on every step on how to play the game but eventually you go on auto pilot with the steps (and sometimes forget to read stuff lol)

[@darkira2129]

on thought this stuff is okay, but it's actually lock you to zombie or something.

[@dmendex]

He’s not wrong. Yugis is a game for lawyers

[@YukiFubuki.]

or fighting games player, the community likes to and commonly compares it to a fighting game over anything else

[@Nephenon]

This is why I mainly play lower power formats / limited yugioh with friends. The benefits of having no resource system shine through at lower levels. It allows for big plays early on and less dead cards. But it has evolved in a way where you mainly see the downsides of it.

[@superm530]

Edison and HAT are peak yugioh.

[@bigO26]

​@@superm530nah not really

[@CrowbornChaos]

You mean made-up formats that aren't legal or recognized officially.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

This has to be Rarran's funniest video ever.

[@MikeMozzaro]

I disagree; if anything this was his most painful. Mostly because... he's right. And this is coming from someone that plays YGO. It really hurt to see the absolute lifelessness in his eyes by the end, but also not being able to truly help him out with it.

[@kmaple9]

@@MikeMozzaro As someone who also plays YGO, I agree with you for the opposite reason. I'm not saying I don't expect him to make mistakes or anything like that, but it was just painful to watch him make mistake after mistake because he refused to read what the cards did and then blame it on the game's mechanics. Like that Rikka game was absolutely one that he could have won and he eventually devolves to "Playing first means victory, game bad" when going first has about a 50% winrate even in today's meta. He refuses to play the story modes despite everyone telling him that doing so will be a better introduction as well as the expected start for a new player, and rather than read what cards the opponent played after they end their turn and/or after the game ends, he just reads 1-3 cards during their combos, gives up, and then just completely ignores their endboard before getting mad that the opponent's endboard did something that he could and probably would have played around if he just read the cards.

[@MigueAlf17]

You can create a video with Stevie to get his opinions about everything that happened, not necessarily for you to play it again, but rather to have an opinion from someone who does play and understands what happened

[@Ultradbsedits3]

I just learned the basic rules by watching the anime and learn combo through youtube

[@cephery8482]

I think one of the realest things i’ve heard is the reason yugioh feels so much harder is cause there is literally 0 illusion about how good you are. In hearthstone or magic your opponent could be 20x better than you but even against the craziest aggro red you get a couple turns. In yugioh if theyre better than you they will have a 20x longer turn and you will get to play 2 cards and be crushed. Theres no slowly getting outpowered, it’s all about your turn 1.

[@patrickfoster_media5451]

Ragavan exists in Magic my friend

[@cephery8482]

@@patrickfoster_media5451 ragavan puts you in a losing state straight away but if your unfamiliar with the game you dont recognise you’ve already died. Yugiohs equivalent is just an otk where you’ve already literally lost.

[@bustedhammer8619]

As someone who started ygo when it launched and played until the release of links(2017ish) never really considered how hard this game is to learn for new players........it's easier to learn in real life because stuff doesent go so fast and ur opponent can explain to u what it happening. Try dueling book all the cards are free and u can make decks for free. It also is more manual so it actually forces u to read and u can chat with your opponent and explain that ur new and most people will understand and help u

[@YukiFubuki.]

thats how i actually leanred to play too, i got started with "playground yugioh" and then moved to some gba games but particularly understand everything fully years later when a friend got me into yugioh around the end of the synchro era and taught me to play on duelingnetwork and because everything was manual i really had to understand what i was actually doing i will say though that my friend was a complete ass to me in yugioh harassing me with his six samurai deck every chance he got, this did serve as my motivation though to eventually slaughter it but it also made me hate six sams even to this very day

[@soup3583]

The problem with YGO is that it's literally just a new player repellent, but the game becomes fun to navigate after you learned it and tbh i don't even know if there is any tutorial that can actually teach you the game nowadays without an actual person guiding you. Some parts of ygo kind of disappear after a while tho like the text bloat, it looks daunting at first but once you've read enough cards you just learn to cut to the most important parts of the effect.

[@Des_kun4033]

i understand if you're not feeling the game. it has became too complex nowadays, too many archetypes, too many cards, too many cards that do too many things. But maybe that's why people like it. yep the learning curve is pretty high because you are REQUIRED to explore the cards.

[@99099]

100% agree, I love looking for and finding ramdom tech cards that were filler in some pack 20 years ago. The complexity of the game is what really makes me love it so much.

[@99099]

Random*

[@emred4653]

Banishing your accesscode is like destroying opponent's evenly matched. Everyone does it atleast once

[@MercuryA2000]

I've avoided doing the second one at least! I was just lucky enough to learn from other people's mistakes.

[@duyknguyen]

As a Casual Yugioh lover, I think it's best to BOLD Text for "Negates/Destroy/Banish/Return/Shuffle/Target (Quick Effect)" so New Players don't have to read full 10 Paragraphs of effects to understand other decks' Combo lines, instead just focus on their Boss Monster to interact!! I hope it works like the changes for Imperm Column and Tick for used OPT effects...

[@wild4934]

THIS I swear if the cards could just highlight the important parts it would be a little easier for new players

[@duyknguyen]

@@wild4934 yeah even a casual player like me that doesn't keep up with new decks all the time, would love to quickly skim through new boss cards with Bolded text too.. (it's also not that time consuming to update since I know coding for database too)

[@NovaEmpyrean]

I've had a lot of fun watching the first stream. It's unfortunate that you couldn't really get into the game, but it is true that the learning curve is very difficult at the start and the tutorials are not very good, which is sadly why learning from someone who already plays the game is the best way at the moment. I hope you'll give it another chance in the future, because it can be a ton of fun with friends. I personally really enjoy teaching my friends how to get into the game and even tried to make my own videos teaching about new decks.

[@nuhrii3449]

that moment when he banished his own accesscode, classic rookie mistake, pressing buttons without reading. however the moment he started reading the words on the cards, its like neo understanding the matrix, youre having a brain blast, and thats kinda what people need to go through to be able to play yugioh, then you lose because they threw a ghost, or a roach, or a rock, god says "no", they get a usurper, a giant turtle, lightning bolt, feather duster, and then unga bunga

[@pkojo]

You still seem to avoid the main issue here with Rarran's frustration with the game (or either you're being sarcastic idk), half the time in this game you lose just because you went second. To me, it's basically a race between two players on who draws their Exodia first

[@erito9507]

@@pkojo There are things called handtraps that everyone plays to help you going second and disrupt your opponent's turn. The game definitely needs to be researched and practiced beforehand, until you feel like you have the necessery cards and know your cards and combos, to play against people

[@pkojo]

@@erito9507 but can we reach a mutual understanding that the original game has been powercrept out of its mind at this point?

[@erito9507]

@@pkojo everyone agrees on that

[@Payohloh]

@@pkojothis is absolutely not true though. Some games absolutely do end on turn one with no counter play but these only make up a small portion of games played. The pro game rarran found was probably the worst example in the entire tournament which sucks because there were so many cool games with a ton of back and forth in there. In the game against rikka rarran would have lost no matter what order they went in because he had no idea what his cards did and his opponent did. Also his hand was decent and a better player would have been able to make stuff happen. Imo the biggest mistake he made was just not doing the solo mode which is the real tutorial.

[@zearcjustice7837]

i am SO glad that i pick yugioh as my first game ever , since then i don't need to deal with the headache of learning it

[@DocPyro]

Gotta give one thing to Master Duel. The OST popping off when you play your decks main card is the best feature I've ever seen in a virtual card game

[@lostalone9320]

Yu-Gi-Oh seems like a game that was designed by people who saw MtG playing Doomsday and said "Yeah, but what if EVERY deck was a hyper contrived combo?".

[@zenethehero5527]

Cards like dark ruler lightning storm and kaijus help going second first may be strong but that dosent mean going second results in loss if you are playing the right board breakers

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

“Enter battle phase” “But you don’t have any-” ”End of battle phase” Laughs in banished face down

[@halowaffle25]

15:26 my dude had a winning hand, misplayed into the center of the earth, and blamed it on the game. YUGIOH MOMENT.

[@diggysdungeon]

Respect for refusing to get coached by an experienced player - it's a really strong illustration of how ridiculous YGO is as a new player. I've drifted in and out of playing it over the last 20 years and when I came back for Master Duel after like a decade away, it was overwhelming despite having played it a lot back in the day. The amount of different mechanics, spell speeds, problem solving card text, insane interactions and so much more make it an insanely difficulty game to get to grips with. Set rotation would make it so much easier for people to learn - right now you can learn all the basics then come up against a deck that's rarely played and have absolutely no clue how anything it does works. Every time I would queue up in Master Duel felt like I was sitting in class at least to begin with, and the amount of reading you have to do to get close to understanding how it all works is ridiculous. It'd be cool to see a follow-up video where you're taught how to play by an experienced player, but I totally get it if you're just done with YGO at this point.

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

Refusing to ask for help was the worst. Its like starting to play chess by facing people who have been playing for one or two years: of course you get crushed and you’ll never win, noone told you what to do. If even knowing the rules won’t work, how can you start playing yugioh and even refusing to read while playing

[@UnsoughtLyric]

@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 99.99% of games don't require a coach just to start out, including chess. If you need a coach from minute one it's probably not a very good game

[@diggysdungeon]

@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 I think you missed the point - our game is stupidly complicated and bad at teaching new players how stuff works. Take a new player and send them into regular matches in Hearthstone or Runeterra and they'd be far less overwhelmed. The game shouldn't REQUIRE a veteran to teach new players how shit works.

[@ordinaryauthor7124]

​@@diggysdungeondepends. Raeean would have done fine on basic decks like draco, Monarch and stuff. He was basicaly playing sort of "Miracle Rouge" (in hearthstone terms) and refused to even properly read his cards. The game is hard for New players but He also didnt make the greates effort

[@grilledcheezvirtualoniisan8670]

>plays horribly >"why game bad???" Tale as old as time

[@elin111]

Part of the problem is trying to learn without a college teacher to explain everything is going to inevitably play badly and not have a good time. Says a lot about Yugioh's ability to teach new players without extensive third party help

[@ordinaryauthor7124]

​@@elin111 it isnt that hard tbh. Simple watching a yt Video about the basic combos is enough to understand the game. Ofc you suck if you don't know how to play the Deck.

[@elin111]

@@ordinaryauthor7124 That is still requiring third party outsider info to get even a basic degree of understanding, rather than just picking up a deck do a tutorial you're good to go.

[@lightning2279]

At this point when it comes to yugioh I would strongly urge anyone to not even bother playing masterduel or the paper tcg/ocg. Konami has broken this game beyond repair with the out of control power creep and terrible card design and has no interest in fixing it. You should either play another card game or see if you can find some friends to play either a retro format of yugioh you guys prefer like GOAT or Edison format.

[@seankao2867]

Now I really want to see Stevie reacts to this video

[@Jarasonic327]

I can’t lie, it took me like a week to learn how yugioh works. Then it took me a month to learn how to read cards quickly. One thousand hours later and I still misread some cards 😂, but I love this game

[@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838]

Yeah bro, reading is hard, i get you. One month after playing ursarctic i realised I couldn’t summon them by tributing monsters on field, i had to ask for forgiveness to my yugioh friend group by buying ice creams for everyone

[@hasanplaster1510]

​@@magmapagliaesopravvalutato6838 i am more afraid of what the situation that make you so desperate to tribute summon ursarctic

[@adamdooley7779]

As someone who’s played this game since he was 6 and I’m now almost 20, I love seeing that your trying to learn this bad game, I have multiple regional and national tops and I still learn more about the game every day, I’ve recently tried teaching friends how to play and it’s made me realize just how much i know happens in this game that isn’t shown if you just watch it play out, understanding response timings and chain links and just the different phases of the game would be videos of its own, I hope you keep pursuing it as when you finally get over that hump the game is super fun imo, as someone else mentioned, master duel is a bad representation of yugioh imo, best of one’s make the game very polarizing and the card pool sucks, but yes going second is not nearly as bad as it looks as you get an extra card and a battle phase when going second making breaking a board a lot easier of a task than it seems, anyways good video I hope to see you play more yugioh.

[@bruis1527]

Ye I was looking for this comment. I also feel like when teaching yugioh you kind of have to teach it through the phases of yugioh. I like to watch friends basic yugioh by whipping up some GOAT format decks then after they get the hang of that, I go to synchros, then xyz, etc. It makes learning the game a LOT easier for new players and also gives them a similar experience to how I started playing yugioh.

[@darkira2129]

Yeah best of one make going first stronger that it is, like doing second deck is usually harder to play and you might ended up going first and have nothing so your opponent can kill you on 2nd turn. but like going 1st deck don't have problem since there's a lot of 1-2 cards combo, so they just put 1-2 copies of the board breakers and hand traps to slow them down. that's why people usually choose going first while you actually can go second more often statically.

[@professional.commentator]

I remember as a little kid I was in love with Yu-Gi-Oh, mainly the show, but I had the cards too. And I never questioned the complexity of the card game itself. But after playing Hearthstone and other card games, Yu-Gi-Oh is probably the most complicated, ridiculous card game in existence.

[@hardaesisop3807]

the fact that he used fenrir as an example for tribute summons. based

[@daydreamer2257]

The reaon Yugioh has such high leraing curve is the speed. In Hearstone and the games with similar design principles you can just survive a bunch of turns even if you have litrally no idea what you are doing, but in Yugioh you simply dont have that buffer and things immediatly start at what is late game difficulty fro Heartstone and co

[@mz4298]

I'd argue that that is a 'recent' trend, starting with the introduction of Towers, where facing down (in hearthstone terms) a 30/30 with taunt and hexproof turn 1 started, I played a lot before that point and for a lot of the Synchro/Xyz period, the game felt a lot slower. I'd say the speed is a problem, at least for retaining older players and attracting newer players, but I am biased in that I really liked YGO when it was a much slower paced game where I could play stupid stuff like Battling Boxers.

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@mz4298to be fair the game has been moving away from towers monster as of late, like most towers in yugioh can simply be beaten down though there is still some that exist like purrely but that got neutered recently many of yugioh's more recent boogieman decks arent so much tower reliant as they are retaliation reliant like branded or tearlaments, even something like exosister and rikka can be dealt with by a simple board wipe

[@minepool4343]

I started yugioh watching videos of the one and only duellogs, just as a distraction because i liked listening to him, but sooner than later i started to be interested in how the game plays and everything, when i started master duel i had a pretty big base to start, so i didn't had to start with the basics, with that my experience was way more fluid and less severe than most beginers

[@MBTYuGiOh]

Hey, dude - this isn’t fair. Yu-Gi-Oh’s one of those games that just takes a while to get good. …I’ve heard. I’ve been playing 20 years and I’m still waiting for it.

[@xXxLexoxXx]

I really could relate to that... When i learned the game I felt exactly like this for hours on end. I sticked to it for a lot longer tho. But even after learning all the relevant decks, understanding the meta and climbing to top rank a couple times the games doesn't become much more "fun". You know what is going to happen based on your opening Hand and your opponents first couple cards, it just takes forever to play out. The only skill / mind game part I really enjoyed was to bait / when to use hand traps. Setting up negates on turn 1 in order to One-Turn-Kill after your opponent after he wasn't able to fight back isn't much fun for neither player.

[@thecardgame_mercenary]

"I don't want my opponent to play the game." Now you get it😂

[@paranidherc]

Read card hard, brain hurt, no more hurty game! Click Reinforce, haha, funny 1/1 guy appeared! End turn! Brain happy! Good game!

[@Kagowo]

from an outsiders perspective it realy looks like this game is like a roalercoaster. You have 1 Minute of fun, before you need to get back into queue and sometimes someone throws Jelly into the rides tracks so you have to stop and wait for it to get cleared up while someone chugs (mostly) good looking cards your way

[@RedWurm]

yeah, it really can be - a lot of that is that it's boiled down to a best-of-1, which makes the games short enough to be playable, but massively random considering the size of the card pool. There are plenty of weird ftks and stuff that you'll see occasionally, but on the other hand I managed to rank up last night by playing a single game, I had 5 others where my opponent bricked and scooped on turn 1. You kind of have to roll with the chaos if you're playing anything other than the sweatiest meta decks.

[@catmanmanson799]

I only really watch your Yu-Gi-Oh content because I know how crazy the game looks and it's fun to see someone learn. You picked up the concept of link climbing pretty quickly. Also the key to going second is to put more staple cards in your deck such as Raigeki or Feather duster, lightning storm, evenly matched, etc. They help you gain advantage back or force your opponent to use their resources

[@cherrycreamsoda4253]

one of the best takeaways from this video is that yugioh isn't for everyone. and that's completely fine.

[@lordvaust5830]

Rush Duel. It’s a Yugioh format we didn’t get in English until it was added just recently to Duel Links (a mobile app game for Yugioh which features a third format called Speed Duels). Rush Duels are completely different from normal Yugioh although they follow the same base mechanics. You still have monsters/spells/traps but the rules are different. All effects are once per turn with clear definition on costs and effects. You can normal and tribute summon as much as possible in a turn, and you draw to 5 at the start of each turn. The card pool has NO cards exactly the same as in normal Yugioh. Decks have no Omni-negates, no Tearalments or Kashtira, none of that nonsense. It’s skill based for real, with your deck build and strategy pairing with you and your opponent both having several opportunities to turn the game around. The Yugioh community needs Rush Duels more than ever now, and I hope we can spread the word so Konami will listen. If you want good Yugioh, it’s in Rush Duels.

[@Durunir]

I started yugioh about 13 or 14 months ago. The big factor in me learning the game was friends and online resources. Ive also never played MasterDuel and stuck to fan made Yugioh Simulators.

[@Happyjethappy]

The truth is that using Master Duel will make you never ever learn the game. Fanmade sims without automatic resolvers teach you the game because you need to perform the actions and if you do it wrong your opponent will point it out and help you.

[@NCemloen]

The sad part is, and thanks to farfa's video. This feels like either a small fish jumps into a ocean video. Or a guy who wants to swim, but can't dives head first into the deep end. You need to ease yourself into a card game. All card games need to be eased into. This is the same for heartstone, and mtg, and all other tcgs. You can't just go head first into any of them. I would know. I did that with all three i mentioned so far. You showed off heartstone be severely underplayed it. Next. Research. All card games has this requirement. You weren't reading ypur cards till inside the duel. Props for going casual first. It's a testing environment for sure... Testing! You know. Figuring something out, and seeing if it works or not. Cannot figure everything out in five hours for several reasons this comment, and your video point out. You learned the rules, but now need to learn how to apply those rules and make them bend. And each deck does this different. You're clearly rushing to be good when that's impossible in every card game there is. Next, freaking read your cards before a duel. Saw it farfa's video and completely agree. Your attention span is ugger dog dung. Your impatience is actually crippling your ability to enjoy this game and attempting to learn it. You should have brought a friend. Actually. I want to call the actually most bs thing in this video. Friends get people into things all the damn time. Having a friend who knows what they are doing to show you the ropes os a very valid way to get into Yu-Gi-Oh. You sir. Spit in the face of people who came into the game like this, and act like they weren't knew at the time. No. Just no. You jumped off the bridge without the rope. No one is going to catch you when you rightfully fall. I saw your comment obviously... No. This doesn't justify you in my eyes. Lets put your total play time into the lime light. First you did three hours. (Way to short for like 90 percent of all games ever.) Then stayed away for months. Completely unlearning everything then. The. Came back into the game for 10 hours. No. It was five. Half of your original goal. You gave yourself ten flipping hours. This is way generous than three, and plenty of time to actually read your cards and ask your chat questions. You do have valid points in this video. But i question your views lver these points if you genuinely cannot see why you were just as much as an issue as the game has. Next for others reading this. There has been the konami meeting. About md players not getting into the physical game. I want to note for tbe record. Master Duel does not reflect in person play. Which was what actually was covered on the meeting. OCG SIDE. The investors didn't give a damn about the tcg side. This about covers my thoughts. I don't think he's inherently wrong. I actually strongly agree about some of his points. Getting people into the game is really difficult. But at the same time approach matters in both way. Even if the game is more accessible. Approaching it like will lead to the same result. Not having a fun time because you're being stupid, and not learning the game. The cope you exude in this video is a horrendous first impression for someone like me. I would rather see you attempt again, but this time bring a friend who can slap with stay in check paddle. You seem like a person who needs the extra hand. There is no shame in asking for help. You had twitch chat. TWITCH CHAT. And it felt like you ignored them, as you tried to justify your dislike of this game.

[@YukiFubuki.]

the 1 thing i hate about the shareholders meeting is the amount of people misinterpreting it for their own convenience, like since it dropped ive seen it being cited as yugioh bleeding players or yugioh stagnant in player growth even if the context or content didnt have anything to do about yugioh and especially by mtg creators where it’s very apparent they got word of it second hand dipped in some bias sauce rarran do make some good points in yugioh being too complex and hard to get into for its own good but with terrible examples like he tried to prove how ridiculous the game is by using 3 cards effect in a single instant emptying his hand in the process and yet achieving absolutely nothing at the same time while also using the 1 copy of the same card he had 2 of on the field but being unable to because it had its effect negated which then locked the other from being able to activate due to its hard once per turn clause and then showcasing a worlds match claiming the perspective player can only sit back and watch the opponent play while being unable to do anything all while ignoring how the perspective player hand trapped the opponent 3 times with 2 of them coming right outa the gate but both countered to create a 5 chain link before succeeding on the 3rd attempt sometime later yet the opponent got lucky because he won his gamble drawing block dragon off of saryuja like sure people who dont know yugioh most cant comprehend whats happened there in its entirety but that all the more reason for their lack of credibility in speaking about it

[@stfdcrst]

I mean it probably took me, someone who had absolutely 0 clue how anything worked, around 20 hours to be comfortable with the game and its mechanics, and 40 hours until I mastered the deck I chose to start with, that being Phantom Knights. Fast forward to today, and now it only takes me a few games to get the gist of a deck but the barrier of entry is absolute hell and its understandable that most people wont have fun until they grind out a ton of time to understand what all is happening

[@theelectricant98]

Even Konami corporate agrees with you

[@matthewpletsch7523]

"Oh my god, he's got an anime girl." He's literally got one of your cards as a thing.

[@LounoirRecords]

i play that game for like 10 games, get crushed to oblivion in every single one of those and never touch the game again with a 1000ft pole

[@theratmaid]

Would love to see you try out the pokemon tcg. It's similar to YGO in terms of playing lots of cards where you can do lots of crazy shit but the games don't end instantly. The game is also far cheaper in paper than people realize because the chase cards all come in lower rarity, so you don't need big rainbow pikachu. You can just get a normal one for significantly less. The most a meta card in standard single typicaly costs is $20. Digital is also really cheap because of pack code selling sites.

[@majstertheunlucky2272]

On his last stream he said why he will never touch pokemon TCG ever again. A card that makes you flip a coin and skip your turn. Made him stop playing the game when he tried it.

[@MikeMozzaro]

@@majstertheunlucky2272 He needs to try play with the updated client. There still some coinflip randomness invovled, but the modern game and the modern card are nowhere close to the amount of "50% of the time, you do nothing" type of gameplay that the old cards have. The game has matured passed that point.

[@MaybeKoshka]

Its always very painful seeing a new player try yugioh, but its definitely a interesting game

[@BoBnfishy]

When you are trying to learn Yu-Gi-Oh there are literally two mentalities that you can potentially have. 1.) My opponent is doing so much stuff turn 1. I hate this 2.) I get to do so much stuff turn 1. I love this. There's not really any middle ground