Youtube making decisions like...

[@ZachStarHimself]

Follow me on Odysee (where there's actually a public dislike button): odysee.com/@ZachStarHimself:9

[@bokgaming6645]

Can’t believe KZbin recommended this to me during the Coryxkenshin situation

[@CertifiedSmartPerson]

​@@bokgaming6645oh yeah what was that situation about again?​

[@tr_aux]

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[@noumankhan1758]

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[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5

[@RoseDiva-2B]

KZbin: *We removed the dislike button to improve small creators mental health* Also KZbin: *Creators can still see dislikes*

[@vexcine]

But if you get *really* close you can't even see the dislikes

[@MGSVxBreakpoint]

I will admit. Dislikes hurt. But without a counterpart, what does a like even mean anymore?

[@GammaFZ]

@@MGSVxBreakpoint exactly

[@vexcine]

@burnhuman2 he's saying how KZbin itself said they removed the viewers from seeing dislikes to prevent harassment and hate, but the creators can see it either way so it does no good

[@Kobe_Abogutal]

@burnhuman2 wut how do you know who liked/disliked your videos I want to know please

[@buttersquids]

Wow, I can't see any dislikes on this video. Seems like everyone's in agreement with you!

[@beactivebehappy9894]

This was not a joke. It's a satire! It's real thing

[@anshumanagrawal346]

@@beactivebehappy9894 Ikr

[@econ347]

Seems like you 3 agree with each others. Gotta ask jim first though

[@XYZ_is_taken]

I will comment this on every extremely controversial video I find

[@cubicinfinity2]

This has 72 dislikes currently. There's a browser extension that uses the API.

[@Bosnian.Spartan]

"We? That's his pronouns" LMFAOOOOOO

[@onecommunistboi]

Technically it should've been "it's our pronoun" but then nobody understands the joke:D Jim is just a true communist.

[@Bosnian.Spartan]

@@onecommunistboi yeah ironic he said "his" when talking about that "we" person 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ionaspap1]

the guy is maybe a king and uses the royal we

[@nikeun510]

@@onecommunistboi well yeah but what if the pronouns is we/his

[@AnnoyingMoose]

That should have been "That's OUR pronouns"!

[@gold4963]

I use the like/dislike ratio constantly to quickly determine if a programming tutorial, or tech tutorial in general, is quality or bogus. Thanks for removing this useful feature, KZbin.

[@jasonlittle6161]

Lately I've really felt the impact of removing the dislike button, now it's difficult to tell whether a video is worth watching or not.

[@sb-jo2ch]

If it's not from a familiar channel, it's straight to SO or documentations for me now. So, in a way, thanks youtube, for making me more productive.

[@rulliantheskunk2091]

It's gonna be the downfall of KZbin, isn't it?

[@ilikewindows3455]

@@rulliantheskunk2091 well considering how people already made an extension to re enable the counter, probably not. Still a stupid fucking decision in literally every way possible though, which is going to really hurt KZbin in both short and the long run

[@nightytime]

@@ilikewindows3455 KZbin will eventually remove seeing public dislikes from the KZbin API, so it won't work after a month

[@fudgefactor1639]

“We removed dislikes for creators!” The increase in negative comments as a result of no other way to express one’s displeasure of a video: “Are you sure about that?”

[@MGSVxBreakpoint]

Soon, dissent will not exist when You(r)Mum stamps out potentially hurtful comments. Welcome to Demolition Man

[@deninpaul7509]

Up Next:- "We removed Comment section for the creators"

[@hilal_younus]

Also, creators can still see dislikes by just going to YT Studio…

[@Sentralkontrol]

@@deninpaul7509 they can do that already and can remove negative comments

[@switchplayer1016]

New rule you can only comment on videos from creators you are subscribed to. Bet you 10 bucks that's the next thing they change.

[@reorseX]

Im just worried people will think this video is a joke.

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

I did. I found yt a joke. He’s spittin facts and jokes with a mix of fresh insults. It’s comedy

[@aaronrashid2075]

I think satire is the better word

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

@@fsirjyy147 I wouldn't mind believing that by how things are going. In fact behind close doors they probably see us as nothing more than pawns to use and abuse (escape this reality).

[@summerrose8110]

@@aaronrashid2075 Too existential dread to be satire.

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@summerrose8110What

[@dracsharp]

To be fair that's exactly how companies run studies they plan to make public.

[@Smol_Uni]

I love this. KZbin makes some really dumb decisions and doesn’t listen to their users if/when a competitor comes alone that works well I can see that really taking off.

[@outcast170]

They DID listen to a "user". It wasn't channels like this or video game channels that had a problem with the number of dislikes they were getting. This got started right after Facebook publically announced they were censoring post based on guidance from the US White House, directly. Which was after KZbin admitted to "adjusting" dislike counts for videos regarding the "free world's" most popular potato ever.

[@kingacrisius]

@@outcast170 What "potato" are you referring to? I don't use social media so I actually don't know about this

[@rage1lazer507]

Or its just that the people that make the decisions are the problem because in the time it took them to get to their position they fell out of touch with social media and believe because they have more experience in being a good employee they know whats the best option

[@cublub5910]

There is a competitor. It's called Odysee and works pretty well.

[@outcast170]

@@kingacrisius I don't use social media either, but if you have no clue what I'm talking about then you either live in North Korea (in which case it was nice meeting you before your coming execution) or you've had your head in the sand for the last 11 month's.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

What’s especially ironic is that not having a dislike has turned out so badly other sites are trying to ADD them!

[@outcast170]

KZbin's next ad poll: "Do you think satire is dangerous and also kills puppies!" "KZbin has answered for you, thank you for your agreement."

[@JVirago]

You hear that KZbin!? Literally everyone loves ALL the changes you're making!!! Keep up the good work!!

[@agent-33]

All of that for Jenny.

[@sandwich-qv1dx]

Oh god, don't even joke i sure youtube will be like " see this one person REALLY likes the new changes we made therefor-". -_-

[@curlyhairdudeify]

KZbin doesn't understand sarcasm...

[@TheUnamedOne832]

Their dumb enough to take this comment serious

[@Derek_Wyld]

KZbin corporate people hate America lol even tho it makin them a living. Truly shitty folks

[@outcast170]

I would have thought most people realize exactly when viewing how many "dislikes" a video had became a "bad" thing. It was right before KZbin admitted to changing the dislike counts for those videos... Apparently that didn't work either. "Trust us! It IS popular! Look at that dislike ratio!"

[@randominternetguy3537]

They were removing "bot dislikes" from the white house channel, and it was still doing poorly. Roughly 1 to 4-10 like to dislike depending on the video.

[@kingscreed1511]

If a youtube alternative comes out I would 100% utilize it. There has to be a system to figure out the validity/viability of a video

[@randominternetguy3537]

@@kingscreed1511 Rumble

[@theflyingnegro5063]

@@kingscreed1511 odyssee is pretty aight

[@MrGhostTheBigRoast]

@@kingscreed1511 good luck when youtube basically ran at a loss for years to monopolise the market. also alphabet apparently doesnt exactly disclose how much youtube makes so anything is possible. we've got so used to free video hosting thanks to YT, that anything else wont cut it at this point and YT knows that all too well.

[@spacetexan1667]

This new KZbin documentary slaps

[@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187]

Nice image you have

[@proloycodes]

@@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187 true

[@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187]

Are you anarchist?

[@spacetexan1667]

@@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187 are you a fed? 😂

[@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187]

@@spacetexan1667 I don’t know what that means

[@carmacksanderson3937]

2:33 When he takes off the glasses, revealing yet more glasses 🤣

[@carmacksanderson3937]

@J O I think he was straight up wearing glasses on top of glasses for that. Hard to make out, though

[@darrionj707]

I didn't even notice at first lol

[@f.herman]

Now when there is no dislike button, when someone disables comments, scams are so easy

[@outcast170]

The dislike button never had anything to do with "scam", its hard to tell people something is the most popular thing ever with a 200:1 dislike ratio. Course, now that you mention it... It was all for a scam... Or at least a long term solution for KZbin constantly changing dislike ratios on videos the public was told were popular wether they liked it or not.

[@MysticLGD]

@@outcast170 yes but scam videos can easily hide due to not having a dislike button. Furthermore they usually bot comments.

[@macvos]

When I click on a video and see comments are blocked, I don't bother watching the video and just close it

[@seriousblack4256]

Why doesn't he have over million subscribers yet 😕 This guy is absolutely hilarious 😂

[@noel9568]

He has almost a million on his other channel.... That's something!

[@Conta_Minated]

KZbin hasn’t yet implemented the feature where the creator can decide how many subscribers he has. According to this study over 0 people say it’s a fantastic idea. Ten million has a lot of zeros, so…

[@randominternetguy3537]

@@Conta_Minated lol

[@truth.honest]

147k is like 147 billion from the left.. ... just say'n

[@JamaicanRain]

He’s older and isn’t a hot

[@thedeed8740]

KZbin: let’s ignore the scam comments and focus on the real issue Let’s get rid of the dislike button but don’t worry it’s useless because the content creators can still see the dislikes 😮

[@noel9568]

"Big sigh, scams are not allowed on youtube"!

[@ytaltacc8008]

Bruh

[@ketud6241]

🤯

[@I3uddzo]

"Makes hell look like fuckin Narnia." That's gold right there.

[@HarukiYamamoto]

I realised why I hated twitter so much when youtube essentially removed the dislike button.

[@deggo6522]

2:49 i love how the like button goes all rainbow when he mentions it

[@mickyr171]

Theres a solution, if every single person clicked dislike regardless, youtube would see it as a failure of their platform and maybe change

[@RockySmithsen]

They would just remove the button altogether

[@mickyr171]

@@RockySmithsen Most likely

[@mankdemes8887]

@burnhuman2 but then this creates a possible future in which an eventual competitor will create a streaming service in which it consists of features that KZbin removed from their platform forcing KZbin to either double down and finally fall or backup and reinstate these features hopefully retuning it to its former glory.

[@ilikewindows3455]

@@mankdemes8887 to which KZbin would just buy it out because good fucking luck trying to compete against Google

[@mankdemes8887]

@@ilikewindows3455 :(

[@lampyshampy]

It's good to know that 3.9 thousand people like this video, and absolutely no one disliked it.

[@eternalcanadiandevyt]

"So stupid I literally can't tell if this is a nightmare." Couldn't have said it better.

[@Countcomfortable]

Susan:We did a survey and 100% of people agreed The survey:1 person

[@Tofublob]

God I love how you summed up youtube's stupidity

[@RockySmithsen]

“It’s his pronoun” I’m dying lol

[@aeis0]

Congratulations to everyone whos coming in every second and commenting their placement.

[@adam-pc1wt]

First

[@nathaliagreen1013]

Thank you. I'm in 56th place

[@Blighted_Ashes]

114th

[@kalebbruwer]

How desparately does youtube want Rumble to take off? Also, can the Rumble devs please make their site just better in general so that it can happen?

[@deathknight1239]

Wtf is rumble?

[@kalebbruwer]

@@deathknight1239 An alternative to youtube

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

@@kalebbruwer I actually want that. Maybe in the future one of us (the 3 people here including u an me) can become a dev for Rumble. Or all 3 but I don’t see that happening.

[@mickaelsiveret1091]

Uh, I only knew about Dailymotion as an alternative to KZbin. Tho it was a real alternative only from before yt creation to ~2012, after that Daily was just completely eclipsed by yt...

[@Wicked_Gaming_]

@@kalebbruwer bruh i just tried it. Disliking people's comments subtracts a rumble to their comment score but it does nothing to the actual video. So even in that site u can't see and have no control of the video's dislikes officially.

[@pedrokesserwany7832]

With the dislikes now gone you can't meme on the shitty videos and with creators having the power to turn off and/or delete comments we effectively have no power anymore

[@mubashirkhalid8301]

3:38 my like and dislike button glows everytime I watch that

[@xtacle1]

0:57 "Guys, I have breaking news", genius speaking notes preparation rigth there

[@mandaloretheultimate5832]

The places that make hell look like f---king Narnia?! yep that pretty much sums up social media.

[@ducdarcot4131]

Wait... cheeseburgers don't run KZbin already???

[@Bosnian.Spartan]

Don't insult cheeseburgers like that

[@Kobe_Abogutal]

I have a very experienced developer cheeseburger friend

[@Dylonely_9274]

I don't speak very well english but I can easily understand with subtitles. This is so funny (I found out this channel from "When you're atheist and die and finds out God is real"). Thanks Zach. Greetings from France :)

[@generichuman2044]

Your English is definitely better than my French. I can only remember how to ask where the bathroom is or tell people I'm going swimming 😂

[@Dylonely_9274]

@@generichuman2044 Lmao btw you said "You're" but I think you were supposed to say "your" Thanks tho.

[@generichuman2044]

@@Dylonely_9274 fk, now I look like a fool. I'm changing that 😂

[@Dylonely_9274]

@@generichuman2044 Sorry 😅

[@malus7452]

Lol

[@Aaron.Reichert]

There's so much gold in that video. Well done sir.

[@mohibulhoque2145]

I thought Zach was just kidding when he said he will be uploading video daily. Maybe we should never underestimate a Math Guy

[@majdramadan8404]

Oh damn, he was actually serious.

[@melvinfranco2142]

Sometimes I wonder how KZbin even exists at this point.

[@Sean_Connery]

I don’t think this was youtube’s idea. This was handed down by an alphabet corporate officer to susan that said “massive dislikes are making our shit sponsors unhappy - fix it”

[@wolfgamer4388]

Someone really need to make a solid platform where creator doesn't have to struggle with dumb rules like with twitch and youtube right now. Fine if no one will, I'll learn how to do it. Someone really needs to fights against these companies.

[@cybernexus4233]

Im rooting for u

[@theflyingnegro5063]

look up odysee

[@kruksog]

The main issue in trying to create a KZbin competitor is paying for the storage of the videos as well as paying for the bandwidth to serve those videos. It would be an enormous expense, and if you charge your creators for it, well, than it's not truly a KZbin alternative. There doesn't exist a good solution to that issue that I know of. Google does it by just eating the cost because it can.

[@wolfgamer4388]

@@kruksog someone like Mrbeast or Pewdiepie might be able to do it i guess.

[@kruksog]

@@wolfgamer4388 I don't know those folks, but I'm unsure if any single person (who isn't Bezos, Gates, etc) could fund such a thing without significant corporate backing. Videos are large (large enough that the axiom that storage is essentially free doesn't hold) and serving them to any share of the internet's bandwidth comparable to KZbin's is prohibitively expensive. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it done, but I just don't see it being feasible without the same beholden-to-your-investors issue that brought modern KZbin into being. KZbin came to be in a unique time for the internet and I just don't see it happening again. I'd like it, but I don't see it without the same problems KZbin has.

[@prismix0870]

I cannot wait for KZbin to see this

[@ashamansedai]

They won't, they're too close to the screen😂😂

[@Insanity_Wolf]

We here at KZbin genuinely value your thoughts and opinions. That's why after hearing from our gracious sponsors that having more dislikes than likes was preventing more viewers from seeing their wonderful ads and videos. We've removed the dislike bar so that everyone can have the amazing opportunity to view their content without the distraction of thinking it's not fantastic content. Also we will be cracking down harder on vulgarity, hazardous, and content parents would find remotely questionable. This way our younger viewer base can enjoy the same content in a great family friendly way. Unfortunately there is no other video service targeted for just kids, but we are sure all the amazing creators will easily bend to fit the needs of this, and easily do so without hurting or changing their content.

[@rodrigoteresa7944]

If youtube had a serious competitor this wouldn't be an issue

[@bourne8636]

“Just hearing that thought gave me cancer” 💀💀

[@Imaproshaman7]

Send this to KZbin. It's actually perfect.

[@5aesar]

KZbin: *removes dislikes* Everybody: *hates it and dislikes it* KZbin: You can't dislike this if there are no dislikes!

[@TheStrategistYT]

I forgot that they removed the dislike button. I have a browser extension that puts it back.

[@ikram_ar]

*_God, I wish I could be like him positive thinking every time in my life_*

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

it's was still reasonably easy to see when something was disliked on youtube in the same way you could tell with twitter, ratios. At minimum a video that is popular should have about 10%+ likes out of views if it is higher then people really like it (see this video) if it is much lower then people probably aren't too bothered about it or possibly hate it. Ghostbusters 2016 trailer had 0.7% like to view percentage so you could easily see such things. On twitter it's just called getting ratio'd when you have a lot more comments than likes.

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

@@tinomorgenstern3430 I'm watching a video right now about trans women in sport and I'm seeing about 7% likes and about 0.5% disliked so I'd say the controversial stuff has about the same; around 10% for likes

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

@@tinomorgenstern3430 Yeah I was giving you a single example I don't want to tell you every single video I watched what the likes percentage is. It's not exact of course which is why I'm saying maybe 10% ish + is okay and less than 2% is bad if the engagement with the buttons is bad as is the case on quite a few videos then you won't see many comments.

[@jacobgiwa8794]

Great video. However, it's sad, because this is probably an accurate depiction of the creators making a decision

[@juicedbagel]

Probably a good place to say that modded KZbin will let you see the dislike numbers. Very useful

[@KittyCatMeowMeowTime]

I want to find this funny because it would be if KZbin were actually incompetent. The truth is, however, that KZbin is taking many steps to protect the political class in anyway possible.

[@stargazzer9166]

Dislikes aren’t just for showing how bad the video is, it also negatively affects the video, jacksucksatlife did an experiment where he told everybody to hit the dislike button, and it’s his least viewed video

[@Omofish]

"I have depression, starting now." 🤣LMAO

[@MGSVxBreakpoint]

Jim: Apparently people‘s experience of KZbin is made worse by social judgement (AKA review) *YT removes dislikes*

[@hugeackman8663]

"makes hell look like narnia" true that

[@smrtfasizmu6161]

This is genius video. I love these short skits.

[@jakeel85]

The other person outside of Jenny who wanted the dislikes removed was Disney.

[@summerrose8110]

1:57- That was MY reaction when I saw that dumb shit on The Daily Show. 2:34- Was the two people who wanted the dislike counter removed Fresh and Fit? Or Skippy, the sex offender? 3:36- KZbin is just like award shows, tone deaf. 5:01- So I was right about KZbin being stupid. I'm going to meditate now.🧘‍♀️

[@vinyl.c0dz]

2:47 That is a ridiculously good point.

[@ethanhayes7205]

Sidenote, KZbin really shouldn't allow ads before first-aid videos.

[@god_2.0_the_better_version]

Yess fr, omfg

[@Blados]

I lost it at the fruit rollup bit

[@cloaker8362]

KZbin got bullied after the crappy KZbin rewinds, say goodbye to custom comments

[@ashamansedai]

Now you can only comment "First", "lmao" and "amazing"

[@RockySmithsen]

@@ashamansedai I was gonna ask what noncustom comments would be but that makes perfect sense

[@vincentvega782]

0:52 Jim is we ?! it's *HIS* pronounce Writing: 100

[@frozenfactory04]

Nobody’s perfect at writing, but you wouldn’t know that.

[@HellspawnAirsoft]

⁠@@frozenfactory04 that’s the joke. Jim is both of them so the boss’s pronoun for HIM is WE.

[@placeholderblankspace]

Convinced KZbin had to remove dislike counts to get back some ego after their rewinds

[@Bigdog5400]

“Probably the worst idea I’ve ever heard, and I’m deaf” LMAO

[@parzival8108]

2:35 got me real good with the glasses

[@jguy06]

KZbin is ruining KZbin

[@clevelandHater]

Gotta love how they’re listening to the community! *Selectively listening

[@Coppermeshman]

it sucks when they don't listen.

[@AlexanderCheong]

Thank you Zach for making this video. I needed this.

[@darrionj707]

"Who in the corporate fuck-" what a legend

[@markmcculfor6113]

Two creators wanted no dislike button? I know what one of them was, the white house!!! 😂😂 They were getting millions of dislikes on every video

[@sirbughunter]

This video is proof that some heads need to roll in KZbin's headquarters.

[@henkvisser9741]

allright you guys, what we need to do is allow certain ppl to use some words and ban all other people using the same words. That is how equality works. This way some people feel opressed and others feel liberated, and we can just focus our ads on the liberated.

[@anant_singh]

1:10 - For any number greater than 3, ancient primitive tribal people just said "infinity" So, KZbin is right, INFINITE people want this change so we SHOULD do it !

[@BryVsWrld]

KZbin rewind finally got to them

[@MrCoolJ20]

Was born deaf in one ear and will now be using the and am deaf insult

[@bastienclarke1810]

I lost it with the double glasses!

[@thecarrieshot6411]

Crazy its been 2 years, and still got them dislikes disabled. Though so glad its easy to still see it

[@Delphic_Wendigo]

One of the worst thoughts I've ever heard on this is the "It's interesting how people stop using the dislike button as much when you take the use of the dislike button away" Well no shit.

[@tirsden]

"and occasionally reddit" meanwhile, my search history: question about a thing question about a thing reddit

"I have depression, starting now" dude....took me over 20 minutes to stop coughing coffee out of my lungs

[@frosuski]

I completely lost it at 4:00, this is just perfect

[@imcontemptwithlife4155]

Here before youtube gets offended and takes this video down 😂

[@isaacsmith6482]

I thought this was going to be about the last video getting demonitized or something. This was even better. EDIT: How about we also get the option to disable dislikes on our comments? Or why can't we give ourselves a heart from the creators or pin our own messages to videos? Won't not getting attention and validation from our favorite creators contribute to mental health issues? I'd rather the cheeseburger run KZbin.

[@samsibbens8164]

Dislikes on comments don't actually exist, they've disabled that function years ago. It actually does nothing

[@kkTeaz]

@@samsibbens8164 but I've disliked a comment in a comment section with only 5 comments, when I refreshed it was all the way down.

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

I love the Amazon analogy.

[@Oneiric_Benevolence]

It's a huge shame creators can delete comments. And not being able to see dislikes is just the nail in the coffin.

[@DoctorofEverything]

Pretty sure they did this for rewind. KZbin said they aren't going to do any more rewinds back in June or July, and the day after the dislikes were removed they said they were gonna do it again.

[@Jungleali]

When you log on KZbin and find that the UI has changed for the 5th time this week, the dislikes are nonexistent and that you have to scroll down for hours to find a creator’s old videos

[@Nub_Fish]

Pretty sure the CEO of KZbin said she didn’t own a smartphone

[@agustinfranco0]

that double glasses move broke me

[@maximumdamage8219]

4:00 absolutely killed me

[@chrisjackson1889]

That explains a lot 😂

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Heh, this has now been recommended to me as I searched KZbin to find ways to stop getting the product recommendations in videos. All I could find is that you can manually Dismiss each pop-up, but that's extremly annoying. I even have Premium to stop ads, and now the creator can just bombard viewers with links to products 😣

[@TheCarpenterUnion]

The glasses to glasses got me lmao

[@Diaming787]

Thank you for making this leaked video public for us to see.

[@OniByFame]

2:33 bruh the glasses 🤓😂 comedic genius

[@ugadugaga4972]

This is way too genius

[@scar6073]

This is why I always watch your videos as soon as I can