Zack Snyder Doesn't Understand Comicbook Characters

"These ain't your GRANDMA'S superheroes! You're living in a f*cking dream world bro!!!"

[@salinasofanthony]

DISCLAIMER: This video was made pre-Snyder Cut. Although I still loathe Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I feel comfortable saying Zack Snyder’s Justice League is his best film out of the trilogy. SECOND DISCLAIMER: I rewatched Zack Snyder's Justice League again and that is a great movie.

[@SerginhoPMoura]

This video didn't age well.

[@NightwingMonkey]

It's still not accurate to what Superman should be like. I still like your opinion in this video.

[@TheLevitatingFleem]

@@SerginhoPMoura the fuck are you talking about? 😂 explain yourself my good sir

[@SerginhoPMoura]

@@TheLevitatingFleem Zack Snyder evidently understands cb characters.

[@lupuswarrior6785]

That’s not saying much jl was still pretty bad

[@marcogalea5931]

4:39 Cavill looks confused as heck. I wholeheartedly believe Cavill is thinking “aren’t i supposed to be playing an icon who’s meant to inspire, not just…be nothing?” Like he looks confused

[@SourRobo8364]

It's amazing how Zack managed to butcher both the Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns.

[@Ron-ep3zl]

He just seemed to mash stories together that he liked and focused on the visuals.

[@jarekgunther]

"It’s a cool point of view to be like, ‘My heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t fucking lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world." -- Zack Snyder, 2019 interview "Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear-until my dream of a world where dignity, honor, and justice becomes the reality we all share-I'll _never_ stop fighting. _Ever."_ -- Superman, _What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?_ Need I say more?

[@cameronhodgetts920]

Exactly. Superheroes are supposed to exist in a dream world, not reality.

[@bauer0788]

@@cameronhodgetts920 and more importantly they are suppose to inspire us to do better. Heroes like SM and BM always find another way out. They overcome the impossible.

[@theju1603]

@@cameronhodgetts920 uuuhhhhhhhh nop

[@cameronhodgetts920]

@@theju1603 uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yep. There's literally no world in which an alien flying around in red tights and shooting laser eyes is realistic.

[@cameronhodgetts920]

@@bauer0788 literally. And that's why it's so much more impactful when they fail, like in Death In The Family or City of Bane. But I'm not surprised that Robin is dead in the Snyderverse, because his heroes can't do anything right

[@Stevetrevor360]

The True Superman - A Friend Who Would Run A Million miles to save a kid with an incurable brain tumor... A Hero who would refuse to play the NFL because he had an advantage over other players... A Compassionate angel who would argue with his dad about adopting a stray dog on the street... Zack Snyder's Superman - An Arrogant Broody Distrustful Emotionless Battering Ram Lunatic Who Is 'NONE' of the above ...

[@Spiderstan2000]

Translation- I just a want a Gary Stu who acts like a symbol rather than a person.

[@chechakkimnorbirth3777]

@@Spiderstan2000 which is exactly what superman is and why he literally has hope written on his chest

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@chechakkimnorbirth3777 that doesn't mean he can act like a person or make mistakes.

[@chechakkimnorbirth3777]

@@Spiderstan2000 dude what are you even trying to say with this?

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@chechakkimnorbirth3777 what I mean is that's there's more to Superman than just the smile and the Symbol.

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

I miss Christopher Reeves and I wasn’t even alive when he played Superman.

[@thenoirknight5729]

*Reeve!

[@roylle6346]

No you just hate Zack

[@hastsoul334neko]

@@roylle6346 yeah! fuck zack!

[@YatiAcharya]

@@roylle6346 that too.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@roylle6346 and you just dick ride Zack. Cry about it.

[@CIII328]

“Bro, you gotta read this! It’s not like other comics; it’s got sex in it” - Zack Snyder reading Watchmen, according to CVH

[@dignerds]

Since we are going by people's past..James Gunn had tons of tweets joking about sexually harming kids..and that made it into his TSS along with dick shots...Now he's in charge of DC movies. Get that through your head.

[@enby_kensei]

Superman: The kind of guy you'd have a beer on the porch with. Lives on a diet of heavily distilled Respect Women™ juice. Probably a Mormon. Batman: Extremely traumatized supersoldier who actively chooses to avoid killing whenever he can. Can recognize you by your heartrate. Has a secret armory of weapons to beat up his friends in case they ever turn evil. Will hold a scared child supervillain's hand while she dies, so that at least she doesn't die alone. Zack: "I'll just make edgy fanfiction where they're war criminals, then make fun of anyone who doesn't like these bizarre interpretations."

[@lupuswarrior6785]

That JLU epilogue episode was so good and that moment was so heart warming

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

respect women juisce? Oh my god you're cringe.

[@bauer0788]

There’s an infamous clip of him trying double down on fans who ha the that Batman murders people left and right by saying something to the effect of “what kind of world do you live in? What hero WOULDNT have to end up killing? That’s stupid!”

[@themysteriousonei1870]

@@bauer0788 he says your living in a dream world which is stupid because these are fictional characters and somehow one of them thinking murder is bad is a dream world according to synder

[@storysurgeon5922]

@@themysteriousonei1870 Superman literally counters Synders own words when he fights Manchester Black

[@harveyquinn]

Still approve this message, especially after the Snydercut.

[@andreimcallister1365]

No

[@lanalan4157]

Dnydercvcut sucks

[@El_payaso2006]

@@andreimcallister1365 Yes

[@Kaisaccountt]

Snyder made one of the most likable superhero’s until a unlikable person who causes thousands of dollars of destruction and doesn’t even save people.

[@brjannonlatunen4975]

Zack Snyder's obsession with Ayn Rand conflicts heavily with the idea of how superheroes work in general.

[@zhengyingli]

What do you mean? How is Snyder obsessed with Ayn Rand and if that's the case, how would said obsession conflicts with superheroes?

[@Project862006]

@@zhengyingli Aryan rand held the strong opinion that altruism is destructive.

[@zhengyingli]

@@Project862006 Altruism, as defined by the philosopher who also coined the term, is to have no regards to the self and living for others. By that definition, I can see why Rand thinks altruism is destructive.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

@@zhengyingli These people have two braincells between them. Dont bother try and make sense of it.

[@vicshephard9231]

Lol Ayn Rand stated the Israelis were in the right in their conflict with the Palestinians because the Israelis had better weaponry. Not someone we should take seriously. Go ahead and justify her bullshit.

[@Project862006]

problem with snyder's superman is he portrayed superman as a god instead of a man

[@zhengyingli]

Except that's not what Snyder did. BvS states that outright: The fact is, maybe he's not some sort of devil or Jesus character. Maybe he's just a guy trying to do the right thing.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

EXACTLY!!

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@@zhengyingli but the way he acts is always angry or melancholy except when around Lois. That's the only time he's happy, not even happy to see his mom. Cavill isn't to blame, but Snyder is methinks. In my opinion. But Batman was done justice by Snyder completely. Perfectly except for the killing.

[@zhengyingli]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 What are you talking about? Clark was clearly happy to see his mom when he returned home in Man of Steel.

[@bull705]

@@zhengyingli Then WHY ALL THE RELIGIOUS IMAGERY?????

[@rudatheboy]

Finally someone else who gets that Snyder hasn't a god damn clue who superman is or how he should be written

[@zhengyingli]

Snyder does get Superman and improved him by turning into a selfish hero.

[@storysurgeon5922]

@@zhengyingli that's not an improvement, he took the easy way out and made him worse

[@zhengyingli]

@@storysurgeon5922 Being selfish is better than being altruistic, so of course it's an improvement.

[@storysurgeon5922]

@@zhengyingli in which green or synder-grey universe is being altruistic as a whole worse than being selfish

[@zhengyingli]

@@storysurgeon5922 Our own universe.

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Zack Snyder is just an off-brand Michael Bay and should never touch a comic book property again. I'm trusting him with his own 'Rebel Moon' world he's creating tho

[@sancho4975]

Didn't know that idiot who died in BVS was Jimmy Olsen, so fucking disrespectful for the character, he's not only a cameraman or a simple reporter, he's a best friend, and a good person

[@Simontoth71]

Zack Snyder is incapable of writing for actual heroes. Says a lot about him.

[@badmanstb2265]

directors dont write films dumbass

[@spasebar]

Clark thinks his secret is so important that he lets his father die, but not enough to stop himself from wrecking some dude's truck out of pettiness. Characterization 101 everyone!

[@AHHHHHHHHH901]

I respect your opinion but when his dad died he didn’t know he had super speed he only knew about the super strength,X-ray vision and laser vision thus he couldn’t do anything about it I mean there are people who record these natural disasters for KZbin although I do agree with the truck wrecking part though then again he did do that in night time so I doubt that many people would’ve saw that.

[@lanalan4157]

​@@AHHHHHHHHH901 the copium is strong in you

[@TommyTallNose]

I think Jessie would have been better as Riddler than Les, who I would have casted Dawne Johnson as.

[@manshsingh5680]

I would’ve casted Brian Cranston as Lex and save Dwayne for Black Adam

[@TommyTallNose]

@@manshsingh5680 that’s a better idea. But what about Jessie as Riddler?

[@manshsingh5680]

@@TommyTallNose no I would cast a actor closer to the age of Ben Affleck I think I would cast David Tenet as riddler

[@TommyTallNose]

@@manshsingh5680 good point. Just outta curiosity, is there anyone in the DC Universe you’d cast him as?

[@manshsingh5680]

@@TommyTallNose David tenet or Jessie Isnenburg

[@ColorOfExcellence]

If Snyder had titled his movies Injustice, we would have no real argument with his vision. Okay... I'm ready for Snyder-splaing. Go.

[@Ajaws]

he's a fanfic writer

[@bull705]

A bad fanfic writer.

[@andreimcallister1365]

@@bull705 nope

[@Sosuke_Aizen2.o]

@@andreimcallister1365 yup 👍

[@nathanl6401]

I feel bad for Henry Cavill, he could have been an amazing Superman, but he got stuck with one of the dumbest directors in Hollywood.

[@Spiderstan2000]

Nah, it's the goddamn fanboys that bitch and whine about everything.

[@vibrioidabyss9352]

@@Spiderstan2000 No, it's just that Zack Snyder is a terrible and overrated director that bastardized the DC universe and thanks to him, we haven't had a good superhero movie since 2012.

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@vibrioidabyss9352 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIaXk2tqo7FsnLM

[@jayplunks]

This comment is dumb. Because he is superman we have watch the same rendition of the characters take? Hulk, Thor, Widow isnt how they are normally portrayed. But when its DC, we must follow the script and not give new content. Moron

[@jayplunks]

@@vibrioidabyss9352 The hate is strong. 2 movies in and you cry that he bastardized the characters, yet grown men like you come on KZbin and say you cried at "i love you 3000" That's your bubble gum franchise that scribbles crayons on his franchise

[@spasebar]

Snyder is the worst thing that has happened to Superman since Injustice.

[@thenoirknight5729]

That isn't true.

[@mollywoodshots6503]

You forgot the guy who erased his moustache. Snyder is a million times better than him anyway 🥴

[@toatakanuva4846]

This is my favourite video of all time

[@tymanning2832]

Why?

[@abdealihamid2631]

@@tymanning2832 really? Why?!

[@harukrentz435]

Hiring Snyder is DC's biggest mistake. you simply NEED someone with vision to head the gigantic project, someone knows your comic characters inside out NOT someone who thinks that Batman would get raped in the prison.

[@AHHHHHHHHH901]

I respect your opinion but he had a vision he was starting the characters off as flawed people only for them to later turn into the versions of them we all know and love.

[@thenoirknight5729]

Zack Snyder has a vision and a plan, ever since 2013. Zack Snyder said how Batman Begins wasn't actually dark. Something that would make BB dark would be Batman getting raped in the prison.

[@andreimcallister1365]

Uhhh no. It was one their best

[@harukrentz435]

@@AHHHHHHHHH901 what vision? that everyone in his universe is dark. edgy, sad, angry all the time? snyder doesnt even know the character of each superhero which made them special in the first place. let me ask you few question regarding batman being a kiler, zack has always only talked about the cause of batman being a kiler BUT HE NEVER EXPLAIN THE CONSEQUENCE of Batman being a killer. Batman isnt a superhero with supernatural ability like Superman or WW, Batman is just a vigilante WORKING TOGETHER with Gotham's Police. Get the idea here? so If Batman being a triggered happy, what will happen to his relationship with the cops, especially Jim Gordon? a honest straight cop like Jim Gordon. Will he just stand watching Batman kiling the criminals? Thats the CONSEQUENCE, see the consuence of Iron Man Cs playing superhero? NOW THATS AN EXAMPLE OF BUILDING A COHERENT UNIVERSE. not just edgy, dark, angry like emo teenagers or incels.

[@harukrentz435]

@@AHHHHHHHHH901 thats just one example, i still have so many lol

[@siyandavilakazi781]

Jesse Eisenberg's Luther😭😂

[@yusufbekcoolman2671]

Tbf I've seen many guys in many comment sections saying that it wasn't the actual Doomsday, just reanimated Zod . They also say Snyder confirmed it himself

[@thenoirknight5729]

That is true. Zack Snyder has confirmed (I believe) on his VERO True Social Watch Party for Man of Steel that the Original Doomsday birthed on Krypton thousands of years ago is still alive and floating around in space. Supposedly the Original Doomsday even had an encounter with Steppenwolf. *Fun Fact:* Original Doomsday shattered one of Krypton's moons as you can see in Man of Steel

[@HerooftheWild]

I pretty much lost faith in the DCEU and I feel bad for Henry Cavill. I wish WB could've gotten someone who understood Superman

[@nanand.r]

@@AHHHHHHHHH901 "yeah.. good people are boring af 😒🥱🥱 that shit is for little kids. DC IS FOR ADULTS!! (unlike marvel and their baby movies) its for people who understands the real world. i mean, a boy scout wearing tights??!?! are you serious??!! 🤣🤣 snyder is truly the best director"

[@thenoirknight5729]

I believe David S. Goyer and Zack Snyder do understand Superman. The main points being that Clark Kent is who he truly is, and all the pieces of Superman media that has influenced and inspired the world and character for the specific Clark Kent. I mean seriously. Clark is altruistic, selfless, kind, caring, compassionate, friendly, nice, good, but still a human being emotionally and mentally. Sure he's interested in his Kryptonian origins, but he is still a human being.

[@DoctorPretorious616]

I frequently had to rewind to read those little subliminal asides you put in, and I don't agree about Laurence Fishburne being uncharismatic as Perry White, but that's only because he was played by Laurence Fishburne! Blame the writing, which didn't give him Perry's charm or bluster. Other than that, I agree with all the other points you made; your video was a near-perfect encapsulation of everything wrong with Zack Snyder's nihilistic interpretation of DC Universe, and why the Snyderverse should NOT be brought back, no matter how many people watched ZSJL on HBO MAX. Hopefully the upcoming Flash movie will wipe clean what didn't work about the DCEU and provide a fresh start keeping what did work. And keep those Battinson solo movies coming!

[@thenoirknight5729]

The Snyderverse is in no way nihilistic. How can you be sane without morals? There is no way I would support this universe if that were true or if it had no hope or heroism. Do you view The Batman (2022) as "nihilistic"?

[@roylle6346]

Bro go serve your self a hot dish of shit of that's your taste. #restorethesnyderverse

[@jasonquinteros1190]

Which is why that Henry was better in Joss’s JL bc that was like watching Chris Reeve reincarnated. All Supermen should act like Chris Reeve. If you don’t agree with that, you’re a fake DC fan.

[@jasonquinteros1190]

Who liked my comment?

[@thankyoujodi]

Goddamn why didn't they just cast Michael Rosenbaum? He fucking kills it

[@thenoirknight5729]

Because Michael Rosenbaum is the Lex Luthor of the Smallville world already

[@thankyoujodi]

@@thenoirknight5729 fuck it

[@andrepaul3483]

By the by,I am not the biggest fan of Chris Reeve's Clark Kent. I found it dumb. That's why I ALWAYS recommend Superman animated series to anyone who wants to get into Clark and his world.

[@DayTripperrr]

Now I want to watch Superman The Movie again

[@thenoirknight5729]

Theatrical Cut, Special Edition Director's Cut, or Extended Cut (3 Hour TV Version)?

[@DayTripperrr]

@@thenoirknight5729 I’ve only seen the theatrical cut but which one is the best

[@thenoirknight5729]

@@DayTripperrr Haven't seen any of the cuts of Superman: The Movie yet. Can't say right now.

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

Hey, Clark's exchange with Perry white is probably the most clark kent thing he's done. He stands for truth. Unfortunately the rest of BvS is shit.

[@manshsingh5680]

I used to utterly despise this video I couldn’t take somebody taking a piss on a “cu” that I liked but now I’ve chilled down and I’ve gotta say I respect you’re opinion i hope this video doesn’t start a war goodbye and stay alert

[@tylerleach8796]

Zack Snyder doesn't understand comic book characters. In other news: Water is wet and paper is thin.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

Even if he wasn’t Lex Luther, I would still be like “What the Hell is this?”

[@anubhavkumar2354]

Snyder Cult will not going to agree with you But Snyder didn't understand the Character Arch of Superman and Batman.

[@sanitorz232]

JIMMY NOOO

[@andreimcallister1365]

5:35 buddy, Tim Burton’s Batman has killed way more people than Ben afleck and you don’t say anything about that version

[@abdealihamid2631]

We don’t talk about those movies tho. They’re just there to give fame to Batman and save him from irrelevancy

[@theshriekingpenguin836]

Because those movies never proclaimed to be comic accurate, the director never said he knew what Batman was all about unlike Snyder.

[@dignerds]

@@theshriekingpenguin836 That's a bull crap rebuttle..So a directer that doesn't even care what the comics say is some how better? ..Sorry..that doesn't fly ..

[@HarshSharma-vf5df]

@@theshriekingpenguin836"I speak bullshit because i don't have any source for what i just said"

[@Phat_trick910]

Zack Lex looks like insane Mark Zuckerberg but Ok. And I don't agree with some of your opinions

[@millasboo]

4:57 Perfect casting of the Kents

[@arish_xo]

1:17 i let out a belly laugh at this.

[@user-mh6cx6ig8e]

Why did zack wasted jimmy

[@user-ho3uw2xb5q]

superman shouldn’t be giving morticians burnout

[@luongmaihunggia]

Zack Snyder: YOU'RE LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD

[@jonathandalmog]

Superman: Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. And on my soul, I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share, I'll never stop fighting

[@andreimcallister1365]

I know that people don’t like how superman is all serious and stuff in man or steel but that’s realism. Losing his parents and his step dad makes him feel emotion like anger and sadness.

[@peli-nota5504]

Exactly that is why snyder superman is the one I really connect becuase he has al these dilemas,White Christopher reeve superman is always smiling like he is perfect still his movies are good but Henry's superman is better in carácter development .

[@sociopath7541]

@@peli-nota5504 Donner's superman is dumb.

[@marocat4749]

But he isnt real, aand he is a superhero, and supermans existed tht did struggle with that, the reasons why they are superheroes thou is that they grew from that and stayed optimistic regardless. If you dont show him at least use that as inspiration to become hopeful superman, thats not superman. Superman isnt emo unless its a personal trauma he has to overcome and does.

[@badmanstb2265]

@@marocat4749 bro this excuse if fucking horse shit

[@peli-nota5504]

@Karan mmn yeah sure well not totally we also have cartoons and all that but I am talking specificly for movies did yo not see

[@millasboo]

3:06 Goddamn they both were perfect castings absolutely perfect!!3:19

[@mr.gabethomas9060]

I wish you showed that little girl getting slapped after her cat was saved

[@IsaiahINRI]

Snyder's Jimmy Olsen was cool but not Jimmy Olsen

[@thenoirknight5729]

I agree. I still don't see him as the real Jimmy Olsen. He's a agent called "Talon"

[@alvintivetyarthur]

Like for real he doesn't ,is it an elseworld??? I don't get it 🤷

[@noticemeonee-san8551]

Snydervers could be like Injustice or DCeased. Then it won't be comic accurate. It going to fresh new story with no comic book counter part.

[@thenoirknight5729]

In the DC Multiverse, all is an Elseworld. You just pick and choose what is the main focus

[@lordtavioushayes8156]

😂 do Ashley you don't understand the comics

[@XtrlDex]

Will ANYONE make a actual good live action lex luthor? why does he always look like a teenager?

[@manshsingh5680]

Spacey’s Luthor wasn’t a teen

[@XtrlDex]

@@manshsingh5680 in BVS he looked like a teenager...

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@XtrlDex superman returns luthor looks like an adult.

[@manshsingh5680]

@@XtrlDex Jessie Eisbeburg was in his 20s in B.V.S

[@thenoirknight5729]

Gene Hackman, John Shea, Michael Rosenbaum, Kevin Spacey, Jon Cryer?

[@peli-nota5504]

It is my opinión but snyder superman was great because snyder made me connect with superman, the Christopher reeve always showed us a perfect superman, in the end he grew as a human that has the right to make mistakes, he is not the perfect man but you think snyder only makes a violent superman becuase people think he has to be perfect

[@zhengyingli]

5:09 Jonathan in this scene is actually very comic accurate. In Superman #1 from 1939, Pa Kent told young Clark not to help others with his powers until he grows up because people will fear him.

[@nazathelivingcorpse]

In Superman #1 Superman couldnt even fly. But that, and many other things have changed since then. Including Jon.

[@soundwavecriticas8740]

Those comics suck

[@dignerds]

@@nazathelivingcorpse Young Clark in the 1978 iconic Reeve Superman movie couldn't use his powers and had to hide them as well..And all that time he never saved anyone. And the Reeve version is held up as the standard till this very day... So the whole "things change since then" argument doesn't fly.

[@vishnuharidas4855]

I have read Superman #1 1939 but in that issue comic there is no Pa Kent, Superman was brought up in an orphanage. Later after Action comics #13 they changed the story bit and added a couple who found Superman and gave him to orphanage and later those same couple adopted Clark from orphanage after their death Clark becomes Superman.

[@princeofdarknessfr]

🤡 (Zacks movies are accurate as hell this video is foolish)

[@Sosuke_Aizen2.o]

ReAlLy!

[@somenolifeloser.7752]

Please tell me this is a joke, or are you just stupid?

[@RARios-ym2pm]

I just don't get people who compare the Donner's Superman to Snyder's. As a Superman fan I was so impressed as to how Snyder created a complete story and mythos for Superman. From that awesome portrayal of Krypton to his Superman suit with passages inbedded into his suit. A complete vocabulary to that world. If that is not world building I don't know what it is. Man of Steel is not Superman, it's a First Contact story of a man alone on a planet trying to find is way in the world a " How would the World react if a being like this exited among us" it is truly a great story. I have seen interviews where he was planning a 2nd Superman story, but then shifted as WB did not get the returns it was hoping for. So they pushed Batman into the fold, as their biggest IP. I would have loved to see the progression of Superman. From Man of Steel, to Man of Tomorrow and close out the trilogy with Superman. I guess we will never know.

[@thabreez456]

People acting like Reeves superman didn’t just Kill Zod in superman 2 in the fortress of solitude and Smiled at it. But nah Supes killed Zod in MoS and showed remorse how dare he!

[@joshheralal8758]

There was a deleted scene that was cut for time in the theatrical release where he reverses time and takes them to jail. It's in the Donner cut. In MoS, he showed remorse for 10 seconds and then the scene cut.

[@thenoirknight5729]

@@joshheralal8758 It wasn't 10 seconds

[@pacman5698]

The thing with this video is that while I think some notions are valid, I don't think there's necessarily a way a character (classic or new) "should" behave or act. I am actually very open to different interpretations and radical imaginings of classic characters and how they behave. Godzilla has drastically changed his behavior over 60 years, many MCU films have very different interpretations of original comic book characters and still come out half-way decent (Thor changed hugely in the MCU Infinity Saga, and his drastic changes in Ragnarok, Infinity War, and End Game made him one of the best characters of that whole series in just two years), and hell even DC has done this. There's some cool stuff happening with Injustice Superman, All-Star Superman brought new things to the table with his existential crisis, and in the Bruce Timm Justice League universe, there are many great episodes where he gets depressed over his idea that he could have had a peaceful life, and there's also the Justice Lords stuff. But the issue with Snyder is despite his bravado and appearance in his movies, he doesn't really say too much in the end. An example is that in Batman V. Superman, what is ultimately said well by the end? To me, not a whole lot aside from "The world is dark." and "Your classic heroes can do fucked up shit!" But simply showing me that isn't initially thought-provoking or meaningful or adds anything. It's more like an edgy middle-schooler going through his angsty grimdark phase and being given a pile of cash to do what he wants in the director's chair. His change and what he gives is only aesthetically deep and behind all the dark clouds, dust, rain, violence, and stuff shot at night, what ultimately does it provide to us aside from that imagery? The closest we get is the idea that Bruce accepts the fact he was wrong about his preconception that Clark was an alien outsider threat, but it doesn't come across like that when Bruce's full transition to change just took a few seconds after all this going on about his idea that Clark needs to be stopped. Again, it's like Snyder thought about the appearance and bravado first, and the actually character work second. This may be contentious with many, and yeah it's divisive, but in contrast, look at how a certain director handled Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. Even if you hated this old, exiled King Arthur energy and really wanted Luke to just kick-ass with his green lightsaber, it's hard to argue that Rian Johnson only thought about making sure to capture that long gruff beard and mustache, and putting him in that dark and long poncho. There's clearly scenes showing that Johnson not only had a reason to portray Luke like that, but he wanted to do something with it. We see with the backstory with him and Ben, followed by R2 and Rey reminding him of the good he did, Luke opening up to Leia, and the burning of the tree with Yoda that Johnson wanted to gradually get Luke out of this depressed and cynical position. And when it was time to do that, he ended up showing how Luke is conflicted by his feeling that he should teach Rey everything he knows because it will help her, and his feelings that the Jedi Order just makes shit worst with how many darkside users come from their ranks, and in the end, he becomes what people need him to be. Rian even said the reason why he didn't have Luke crush walkers with one hand or use his lightsaber to force push an entire squad of troopers down is because he wanted emotional authenticity to conclude his character's story than spectacle or power fantasy. He wanted Luke to stare down his greatest failure with confidence and acceptance and showcase the wisdom and determination that ended up surviving in him over the past four films. But Snyder has the exact opposite mentality of Johnson when making his movies. You've probably heard many say his movies always end in an explosion of CGI seizures and overreliance on action. I think it's emblematic of not only how much his stories culminate in a lack of genuine character growth, but why he can be popular with so many fanbases. Many fanbases and aspects of nerd culture revel and cherish power fantasies above all else. And it's easy to make another power fantasy to boot. And Snyder easily does appeal to many elements of edgy teenage angst that resembles a nostalgic longing for all those bland 90's comics that just thought making everything dark was enough. But in the end, Snyder's films just feel empty regardless of how much intention or flash is there. To me, the best DCEU film was precisely the OPPOSITE of a Snyder film. It was somewhat edgy yet still had a lot of heart to it, it was thorough and daring in its themes of fighting against a predatory monster who abused his position of power and finding solidarity with other women against social fear, and the action scenes didn't rely on so much CGI and were meaningful because the characters were thought out. And YES, it's Birds of Prey. And if you want to see the type of film Zack Snyder thinks he makes, just see Mad Max: Fury Road. In fact, both Birds of Prey and Mad Max: Fury Road have heavy feminist themes to them. And with how Snyder usually writes women, that can be refreshing to see after going through something like BvS.

[@benjaminjane93]

Every character that has endured throughout the ages has a set of core characteristics that hasn't changed once it was introduced. Spider-man: Motivated by guilt. Carries the world on his shoulders. Tries hard and fails at balancing his social life and his responsibilities as Spider-Man. Superman: A man trying to fit into a world he doesn't belong to. Helping people because he knows he can make a difference. Batman: Traumatized by seeing a man kill his parents, motivated to make sure NO other child will ever have to feel that pain if he can help it. He is fundamentaly opposed to killing. The movies (Yes I included Spider-man for a reason): Peter Parker is motivated by glory. He wants to belong to the elite group of superheroes. He wants to be seen making a difference. He wants to matter. Not a bad motivation except that in the comics Peter is motivated by guilt. Being Spider-man is an obligation. It is something he has to do. There are times where he loves his 'job'. He loves helping people. But he always remembers why he's doing it. And it's not out of glory. It is a sisyphean task to redeem himself for something he believes he could never be forgiven for. Superman: Has a glorius purpose. He is meant for greatness. He is told that the world will never accept him so he needs to become a symbol they can strive towards. He is an object to be worshipped. Since he is not brought up with the hokey Kansas morals, and his father died from a tornado rather than the often depicted heart attack (A death that for all his power he couldn't prevent) he has little reason to actually CARE about the people he protects. Batman: To begin with, Snyder hides behind the excuse that 'this batman is broken'. Which is a laughable excuse. Because it means that this Batman is the weakest batman of the bunch. His character is the most flawed and he lacks any of the integrity of any past incarnation, certainly of the comic book iteration. Batman has lost people in the past - but he keeps moving on. Batman has had his morals tested - but he keeps resolute. He has a code that he won't budge from. There are entire stories centered on this very thing. And in the movies Snyder has him break his two strongest rule because? Well it's because Snyder doesn't believe in heroes. He is on record saying that if you don't think your heroes would kill or lie or steal or commit atrocities you 'live in a fucking dreamworld' So Batman got destroyed and reduced to teen angst because it is 'cool' to see Batman slaughter people. In an attempt to 'modernize' and make the characters more 'realistic' Snyder has broken them into extremely shallow versions of themselves that are unrecognizable from their comic counterpart. Like some elseworld parody written in the 90's and drawn by Rob Liefeld.

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@benjaminjane93 Snyder's version watch his adopted son die, friends becoming corrupted, parents being killed in front of him as a fucking child, and combine that with drugs and alcohol, and what does that equal: A hero fallen from grace.

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@benjaminjane93 Also Batman is the villian of BvS.

[@benjaminjane93]

@@Spiderstan2000 And this makes him the worst Batman we’ve seen because all Batmen has been through this but had the backbone to not become a coward and slaughter people with guns.

[@Spiderstan2000]

@@benjaminjane93 that's your opinion, but I think Ben Affleck is one the best Batman I've seen.

[@yousefibrahim1436]

Yall act like reeves superman didn't go and take revenge from a regular ass man in the bar. And he also killed a DEPOWERED zod and just smiled after it lmao.

[@joshheralal8758]

He reverses time and takes them to jail in the Donner cut. In all TV showings of the movie he also does this. It was cut for time in the theatrical cut.

[@thenoirknight5729]

@@joshheralal8758 Theatrical Cut and The Richard Donner Cut are separate worlds

[@jesterfromthecave6691]

Lmfao

[@davidmr11able]

No. That is the idealized vision that you have of the character. And not at all realistic.

[@marocat4749]

Well hate to breal it to you, but what do you think superheroes in costume are, realistic? No they represend ideals while being functional engaging characters.

[@grottyband8052]

I agree with the Luther one, that’s about it

[@stupidmariobros4117]

I am up for some interpretations but that is no longer Superman or Clark and all the others also the films are boring

[@dominikocaginavanua4787]

Some of the dialogue were taken out of context. Secondly, snyders vision was supposed to be a 3 movie pace where he would grow to the Superman we know and studio interference made it difficult for him to set up stories to help his vision. Like Jimmy Olsen, studio didnt wanna pay for that extra actor and story so Snyder had to cut him and it sucked.

[@frankspick7544]

theyt didn't cut him out they had him be killed and he even stated it would be fun defending bad writing with o it was teh studio

[@riffedraffed]

I think all Zach Snyder did was give him a character arc. Is that so wrong?

[@marocat4749]

Not if he never ractually becomes superman as character. You know too good be true earnest optinistic inspiring guy whoi is a hard worker , from a farm. Thats alternatee gone bad superman, not superman

[@mmoein3591]

This video needs more views I'm giving it a like

[@freakingreninja7790]

*cough* donner superman wouldnt work in the modern time *cough*

[@Jason-El]

He doesn't have to be exactly like Donner Superman, he just can't act like Snyderman

[@freakingreninja7790]

@@Jason-El where did he act like snyderman? Him going to stop the world engine from stopping it terraforming earth is snyderish? Idk man, you guys have completely missed the point of the movie

[@Jason-El]

@@freakingreninja7790 killing people as if he doesn't care about human lives at all

[@freakingreninja7790]

@@Jason-El where did he kill people? It was clearly zod who was killing people. 🤦‍♂️

[@Jason-El]

@@freakingreninja7790 0:27

[@pulpmoon4453]

Shazam was like the reeve superman movie that isn't a superman movie but man of steel is a new superman that differentiates all the superman movie and by haters will really hate this take on superman. But if you want to see a film like your childhood movies go see shazam or whatever

[@tylerleach8796]

Yes, THAT'S the reason for the hate towards Man of Steel, not because Zack shows a clearly lack of understanding of the character and how it fails to capture the main fucking points of Superman as a character...

[@pulpmoon4453]

@@tylerleach8796 he did have a lack of understanding but he did make him more human than just a blue boy scout, just a reminder, this is his superman

[@tylerleach8796]

@@pulpmoon4453 if you think Snyder’s Superman is “more human,” than you need to learn more about Superman.

[@pulpmoon4453]

@@tylerleach8796 no it's more like a realistic version of him

[@tylerleach8796]

@@pulpmoon4453 …I repeat my previous statement.

[@Jordan-se2ph]

Zack tried to make him more alien than human, He tried to make it a little too realistic, He made it so Superman doesn't become a perfect hero in just one Movie, He wanted to stretch it out until the end of the movie series, Meaning Superman would be the comic accurate Superman in the final movie

[@marocat4749]

I even liked man of steel, a more realistic, if weird superman that has from a worse lot place find to become the superman and if zods death would be the reaon why he holds way more restraint and stance of human life, a bit edgy but ok (aside the military propaganda and being a bit too dark. And jor el is questionable and he has to become that pararagon from a more morally ambivalent. A good person having figuring that out the hard way, cool. Sadly the movie never got there, no follow up after him killing zod to swear to never again, not him becoming more positive and human, not even in batman vs superman. Man of steel had the potential the military bs later to become a more positive superman despite adversity, Had. Thats why i think man of steel is ok, but batman vs superman made clear, no superman will never become superman.

[@billymccrary2246]

I know that Zack Synder isn't a bad director, it was executive meddling that got in the way of trying to make another Dark Knight movie. Like, Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman and Justice League would've been great superheroes movies had it not been executive meddling bucked it up badly. Maybe, the DC Extended Universe should be reboot for the better or for the worse.

[@frankspick7544]

no it was just bad writing like teh video states he does not understand the characrers or heroes in general

[@hombre4618]

People don't understand you only check the nowaday comic books for Batman you have to check Batman year one where he literally uses a gun and in some Superman comics he actually kills well not intentionally and in this movie they've really taken out some of the elements from the comics well except for Louis partner but it's not such a big thing you gotta read between the lines they you'll understand

[@Memento_mori2222]

Cherrypicking much? You are removing proper context here

[@hombre4618]

@@Memento_mori2222 What do you mean cherry picking if you mean the facts then yes I am and In not really focused on this specific video I'm talking about how people misunderstood this movie and they even critiqued batman saying he kills like there was no other adaption that killed bullshit.

[@hombre4618]

I meant adaptation

[@Memento_mori2222]

@@hombre4618 you dont understand how superhero midia works buddy, if it happened once or twice it doesnt mean shit, its a 80 year old franchise with so many fucking writers we cant keep count

[@hombre4618]

@@Memento_mori2222 yea don't tell me I understand I've been on the superhero media for along time you don't know me, I know what I'm talking about

[@dignerds]

Superman didn't murder Zod.

[@user-yx6it3ff2t]

Best super man cavil and Zack is the the best of the best

[@JayyPrime1]

Nolan doesn't either

[@manshsingh5680]

Ehhh I mean he still kept to the core of these characters there still who they are.

[@batsirayi.nyamukanza5671]

OMG these people truly do not understand dc characters. Zack Snyder is the best y’all don’t know what you are talking about.

[@HolyknightVader999]

I agree with everything here except Batman hating guns, the original Batman used guns.

[@Vengeance289]

And Superman used to project mini versions of himself and was unable to fly. Retcons exist for a reason.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@Vengeance289 Except if that's the case, then a retcon to the no-kill rule would be just as valid.

[@Vengeance289]

@@HolyknightVader999 Why? Do you want Batman to kill?

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@Vengeance289 With the way Batman fights, half the people he sends to the hospital probably died on the operating table due to complications like internal bleeding or broken spines, skulls, and necks. The other half wish they died once they start eating or peeing through a straw. The no-kill code makes no sense given how brutal Batman is.

[@Vengeance289]

@@HolyknightVader999 The reason why batman doesn't kill is because he believes in second chances. It's also what sets him apart from other vigilantes. You take away the no-kill rule and you're left with another dime-a-dozen anti-hero. Besides, Red Hood already fills in the role of a killer.

[@spiderboy3491]

Zack Snyder gave us the best, that's my opinion, Henry's superman is the best out of all

[@prue5588]

He could've been the best if he wasn't poorly written

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

he barely said anything in the last two movies he was in.

[@felixhaileykeenofffical4252]

Anthony sir you don't read many comics do you?Man of steel had gone dark in comics,You should read more comics

[@thenonsenseguy2364]

"Dark in the comics "..... there is a huge difference in making a dark film and removing everything that makes a charecter beloved. Superman in the DCEU isn't the Superman from the comics

[@thenonsenseguy2364]

@Erik Kemeey how... look up the best superman comics of all time and compare that charecter to How he is in the DCEU . It does not match up .

[@tylerleach8796]

@Erik Kemeey no, he is not. He truly is not.

[@naufaladryankusmana8128]

"Had gone dark" yeah superman can be dark but it was after some sort of event that should be not on the beginning.

[@manshsingh5680]

This comment is hilarious idk why though

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Snyder's Batman is the most comic accurate Batman on screen since Adam West. (Conroy doesn't do it for me, and I'm not counting animated versions either. He'd be #1 or second if on Crisis On Infinite Earths, they respected him. Also David Mazouz is 2nd best.)What he did with Superman could've been great. Great blueprint for a modern superman, he just doesn't understand Superman. Bad Superman. Best Batman (other than the murdering which isn't explained in-universe either and makes no sense because it also happens AFTER he saves Superman, also it's character assassination but they nailed so much of the character that I'd accept an explanation maybe). I also liked snyder's lex although he was cringe at times. 3:59 PERRY WHITE IS FANTASTIC IN SNYDER'S VERSION. Very charismatic at least in the Ultimate Edition. I never watched Man of Steel.

[@cameronhodgetts920]

Snyder's Lex is awful. The only way you can justify that character is to say it was actually Joker in disguise. Lex is not crazy and twitchy and he doesn't come up with completely insane plans. He's cold and calculating and ruthless, which Jesse Eisenberg was not.

[@nanand.r]

@@cameronhodgetts920 superhero movies always been trying to make any villain act like joker lol

[@cameronhodgetts920]

@@nanand.r except for every non-Snyder DC movie and also most Marvel movies (excluding characters like Loki and Green Goblin who actually are insane). Try again.

[@nanand.r]

@@cameronhodgetts920 calm down.. im not trying to hate on anyone, but two face from batman forever is a good example of my original comment.

[@cameronhodgetts920]

@@nanand.r yeah, but that was a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Tommy Lee Jones didn't get that role. Whereas if you look at a good portrayal of Two Face, like Aaron Eckhart, it's nothing like Joker.

[@TheManOfTomorrow]

You don't understand Snyder. Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZC3apebatiqp7s People's problem with Zack Snyder is that he makes big changes in characters. This is also the reason why many people hate or dislike Snyder's versions of Superman and Batfleck. But the fact is: Those people don't understand any of this. Snyder's characters are flawed, then they are beautifully redeemed after some time through brilliant character development and become the versions we have known and loved. Actually, Snyder took realistic take on characters like Superman and an old Batman. So, what's so wrong, huh? *Superman's character arc in MoS and BvS is the ''origin story of true nature of Clark Kent & Superman'' (we know from comics), in a realistic way. He was a ''becoming Clark/Superman'' in a world (a real world) which is not a dream/fantasy world.* Now we'll see a true Superman/Clark in further films when Henry and SnyderVerse will come back. *Batfleck's arc about his redemption depicts his Rebirth (after Superman's sacrifice) as 'the true Batman he once used to be'.* Hence, we saw an almost-true Batman in ZS'sJL. But still, here are many people & haters who say: _Snyder doesn't understand comic-book characters._ *Batman v Superman [Ultimate Edition] is MUCH deeper and greater than even its fans think it is. A modern masterpiece. But still, this film has got many haters.* Someone asked Zack Snyder, in a movie panel, about why his characters are so different, why are they so flawed? Snyder said (making a reference to Watchmen), “Once you’ve lost your virginity to this f*cking movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the f**king road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t f**king lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. *But you’re living in a f*cking dream world.* ” If still you all hate him for making REALISTIC superheroes then yeah, you all are just living a fantasy.

[@marocat4749]

Because its not a religious story. Yeah superman gor always the moses story and a christ figur and all that , but that wasnt what define why people like him, he is at heart a good dude with inhumane patience that just wants to help. Because he is a good dude. You cant make him not an inspiring good dude thats too good for this world but why he is so impactful (while struggling with his very human problems, like his love life, and shouldering himself with way too much responsibility on himself thats why he is struggling) He isnt superman because he is a human with superpowers , But because he is that good of a person holding that responsibility, and whose superpowers are just an extension. Like reasons why ex hates him is literally that, he doesnt thing a good person like him with power could exist in the first place, whre also thats his character as that good and patient of a person lex hates, nothis powers. thats an extra. Or coucould see xenophobia if you see superman a hardworking jut a good dude immigrant that lex just cant accept and projects "he must be bad, because he is better than me" I get why in man of steel that mindset could just develope and be founded, but in batman vs superman we donr ver see superman, the hopeful paragon of an inspiring good person, smile. And inspire, Not once. Not superman.

[@GassedFEIN]

The dceu lex Luther was amazing and one of the better parts of BvS I liked the different take on lex

[@markbaranyai4479]

He just brought in reality. And what about Injustice ? everyone loves that and Superman there is not like Reeves either. So When Invincible godlike dudes fight eachother, they will destroy things, and they do that too in the animated movies and the comics

[@theviewfromj4111]

Omg apparently y’all have no idea what it’s supposed be if it’s to dark for you don’t watch it

[@upon136]

What is it supposed to be?

[@theviewfromj4111]

Dc comics or comics in general are dark like the comics are 1,000 times dark then zack could ever think of doing so I mean Idk what’s that’s based the whole negative thing

[@upon136]

@@theviewfromj4111 dc comics are dark for a reason zack snyder is dark for no reason. Pretty much dc comics superheros are actual hero's Synder cut take on dc hero's is heartless crap.

[@CyborgNinja86]

Give me a fucking break. The problem isn't that Snyder's bullshit DCEU movies are "too dark" - it's the fact that his bullshit DCEU movies are SHALLOW, POORLY WRITTEN and are trying so DESPERATELY HARD to be profound when there isn't any substance there at all. If he bothered to focus on the characters and make the stories in his shit movies actually compelling then there would be no problem with them being too dark. You want to see something that's dark, mature and is actually good? Watch The Boys.

[@nvcomics]

@@theviewfromj4111 dc is NOT inherently dark. Booster Gold isn't dark, the JLA isn't dark, SUPERMAN isn't Dark, Flash isn't Dark, Aquaman isn't Dark. The only real "Dark" character is Batman and c the only reason you THINK that DC is dark is because Batman is so oversaturated that he's all people think about when someone mentions DC. DC is no darker than Marvel because every chance reacted is different and should be treated as such. You can't just paint Superman dark and sat its "accurate" cuz it wouldn't be

[@Perdido0]

Bruh I’m glad all that’s campy shit with Superman is done with “the truth and the American way 🤓☝🏽” Bruh that shit was cringy af good thing the comics moved from that decades ago the movies just needed to catch up

[@Memento_mori2222]

Just go watch fast & furious or some other action movie franchise Superheroes are campy there are no uncampy superhero stories, they just try harder pretending they aren't

[@Perdido0]

@@Memento_mori2222 they weren’t the only reason the became campy was because they thought comics were brain rotting kids

[@Memento_mori2222]

@@Perdido0 you mean comics werent campy before? Before the "Seduction of the inoccent" even Batman faced vampires, werewolves, motherfucking Dr Death the mad scientist and Hugo Strange and his monster men Pretty campy to me idk about you

[@darlalathan6143]

A great way to explain Snyder's position.

[@abitsourrrrsorry4885]

I mean, Superman in some sense should be cringe and campy but that's the reason why people love him lmaao

[@roylle6346]

Superman was known as the world's most boring super hero for years and Christopher reeves and his fans which are a vocal minority are the cause of this. Thanks to Zack Snyder I now like super man.

[@marocat4749]

He isnt boring, most people just don write him as just a good dude who put way too many responsibility on his shoulders and wants to help. Which is far from boring. I came tolike him from lois and clarak , a romcom,but thats perfectly who superman is a human that just tries to help which conflict in that case, with his love life. (and in that case because he literally wants to help and save everyone and takes it incredile hard when he fails, hotages are pretty effective as struggle) Superman is a good lawful dude with too much self imposed responsibility for literally everyone, that interesting, an it can be challenged, becaus he is human , which makes him emotional vunerable. As guy who just wants to help and feels bad i he doesnt, and he is super caring which means, if he fails, he is feeling extremely bad.

[@roylle6346]

@@marocat4749 I'm not reading that essay

[@noticemeonee-san8551]

This video didn't age well. also i didn't realize lex humm that much.

[@tylerleach8796]

I'd say it aged perfectly well.

[@Memento_mori2222]

it aged better as the snydercut confirms Snyder is still a piece of shit at writing

[@applehat2345]

Shouldn’t directors be allowed to deviate from the norm every once in a while? Look at Superman in Injustice, nothing like the Superman you’ve shown and yet it’s one of the best comics we’ve had in a while! Superman can be anything , Batman can be anything, it’s not the end of the world when these characters are put through a different interpretation.

[@marocat4749]

Inutice exits with the context, that it an alternate superman how inportant and held together and responsible superman actually is. And if he goes too far and looses that,injustice. It an alternate dark history.

[@dignerds]

Snyder is right ...So much of the comic history is in his movies

[@Stevetrevor360]

Is the part where a Kryptonian beats the crap out of the daughter of Zeus like a rag doll also part of comic book history?

[@zhengyingli]

@@Stevetrevor360 Superman once beat the crap out of Wonder Woman like a rag doll while under the influence of Maxwell Lord.

[@Stevetrevor360]

@@zhengyingli I am sorry who are you again?? 🤔

[@zhengyingli]

@@Stevetrevor360 I was just answering your question.

[@derplololol9717]

@@zhengyingli I think he got annoyed that yes Diana got rocked in the comics😂.

[@giggybitl4870]

This video is quite shallow. It's who's this way and who isn't that way. Completely ignoring the message Zack tried to portray and looking at aesthetic only. Quite ironic especially when this is what fans of the Snyderverse are accused of doing.

[@JabamiLain]

I mean, maybe he isn't 100% loyal to the original, but it's not that bad.

[@Idrinkalotofcoffee]

Snyder made and did his own take on the heroes. That dosent mean he dont understand the characters. This has been done a shitload of times and even tough Superman for most part is a glorified boyscout he serntantly is shown otherwise alot of times. He did a realistic take on the characters and the world they live in and I cant say he is wrong. Imagne someone with those powers came to our earth. It would set the world on the edge and probably on fire. People and gouvernents would try to make him a political and a military instrument. And the people who despise him would do anything in their power to paint the image of him dark since even nukes do no harm on him. They would go afters his family and friends and they would sucseed. To go save some kitties after such harrasment is a godly thing to do. You know why? Because men do breake and gods do not. Superman is one of my favorite characters, and thats include all the takes. Superman is a character you could do alot with and it dosent always fit with all people. Zack made his own take on Superman and if you dont like, well, you dont like it. But alot of people do. So that is good enough for me. Respect him!

[@RockStationForChrist]

Snyder and Cavill did it better than Donner and Reeves.

[@thenoirknight5729]

*Reeve. George Reeves is the one with the s at the end. It's like how people commonly misspell or mispronounce Rā's al Ghūl's name

[@marocat4749]

Nothing against cavill, he can act hopeful but grumpy people that are basically superheroe like in the witcher. Snyder thou, that said cavill wasnt guiven the material to be supes.

[@thenoirknight5729]

@@marocat4749 What?

[@RockStationForChrist]

@@marocat4749 where are you getting that from? And, Superman isn't always hopeful. He's a man like everyone else (except he's Kryptonian), that's always been the point. Lastly, he wasn't dark in BvS, the world around him was. Not sure where the issue is, but again, Cavill's Superman is better than Reeve's. I like an actual character more than a one dimensional caricature.

[@borisstoyanov3488]

Hahahaha. WRONG. Man of Steel Superman is NOT supposed to be superman. That's why the movie is awesome. Same as the Batman. Even better. Also, BvS is underrated as hell. Every problem that it has is solved in the Ultimate Edition. Have a good day. #RestoreTheSnyderverse.

[@ryanward2751]

The creator of this video watches too much CW barely reads comics