Zack Snyder's Superman Isn't Superman

[@SourRobo8364]

The best line in the film is "That won't stop me from trying." Wouldn't surprise me if Henry Cavill ad-libbed that line because it doesn't fit with the rest of writing.

[@justaghostinthesea]

That's pure Superman right there

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

It fits very well with the rest of writing, Superman is a man, not robot simpleton. Always was since day 1 of his creation. I really don't understand what any of you trying to accomplish trying to gatekeep something you have absoulety no knowledge about.

[@El_payaso2006]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Nuh uh, He's a man OF STEEL

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@El_payaso2006 yeah, who kills, can feel sad , can be wrong, can have anger management issues and all other things from comics that actually named him The man of steel.

[@tariqulislamakash5749]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Please stop embarrassing yourself. Superman has saved lives since day 1 of his creation but you wouldn't know anything about that. A snyderbot saying "have absolutely no knowledge about" has to be the most ironic thing in the history of the universe. You have never read superman comic books other than Injustice and it shows. Superman is a symbol of hope and kindness you disgusting edgelord. He saves lives because he is an all around good guy. Despite being an alien he is the most human of all. And he gets his morals from his earth parents. Jonathan Clark in man of steel doesn't care about Clark or if he is happy, he only cares about Clark's powers. The movie is full of dogshit writing and character assassination for Johnathan Clark and full of plot holes. He is extremely reckless with his powers. He acts like a 14 year old edgelord.

[@Sakanero]

You know it’s bad when WW2 propaganda Superman is possibly closer to the character than what Snyder wrote.

[@darkhobo]

The original Superman you mean? Yeah the OG Superman is pretty close to Superman.... People know Superman was written by two Jewish guys right?

[@VictoryArtz]

Every time I see Henry Cavill as Superman, I ask myself in furious rage "Why was this Perfect casting of a character wasted?"

[@callummoore6962]

I say the same for Ben Affleck as Batman or Pierce Brosnan as James Bond.

[@baconator5510]

​@@callummoore6962and James Marsden as Cyclops.

[@jjeteuati264]

yep, an actor who became the victim of a director's vision

[@alexandru5369]

Because Snyder, and everyone else, thought a Batman clone in a Superman body would work

[@167kinggam]

i wouldn't say he's perfect. His Clark Kent wasn't very convincing. You could blame that on Snyder if you want, but you can't call Cavill perfect by any means.

[@ellisr.kinnear164]

And this, I'll say it again, is why i love the Superman and Lois version so much. Hes just some wholesome dude from Kansas in that show. You get scenes of him putting out forest fires, saving random people. He feels like Comic Clark

[@speeddemonji9547]

This is a terrible summary of WHY his Superman/Clark Kent is such a good character, and frankly just says a lot about all you value in the character Tyler’s Superman is fantastic *because* he’s not just some wholesome twit, but a deeply flawed and fleshed out character, on top of the fact his wholesome goody two shoes traits are also depicted as having major consequences to the world and those around him It is one of the few iterations where they actually depict them as three dimensional

[@rogerelliss9829]

One thing that has always been consistent is that Clark has always cared about collateral damage. The whole fact bvs happens is why this superman is a pure character assassination. The fact that you don't see that says more about Snyder fanboys than anything.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Is that why Superman made sure the city was evacuated anytime he fought someone in the cartoons and comics? Oh wait. He doesn’t. I forgot he always takes them to a remote area to fight. Oh wait. That’s Goku. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@rogerelliss9829]

@bofawhatsbofa4593 no, That's why while doomsday was ravishing metropolis, superman was still trying to fly in move people out of the danger while getting his but kicked by doomsday. And yes his first attempt was to get doomsday away from populated areas.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@rogerelliss9829 lol you mentioned ONE comic as if there hasn’t been thousands

[@DaveE7492]

Zack Snyder is just an edgy teenager in the body of an adult man who thinks he's very intelligent and clever.

[@brandonkukumayeyi6048]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@xvingar6318]

Exactly, I knew this when I seen the "snyder cut" and all he did was make the aspect ratio smaller and switch a few scenes around, it made a tiny bit more sense I guess but it was still a really bad written movie. He didn't improve it at all imo😭

[@KrisKk08]

Yes yes yes

[@markristin4307]

@@DaveE7492 You could say the exact same thing about James Gunn.

[@aredblip1315]

We're supposed to think Superman is like Jesus in Man of Steel but he killed all those potential Kryptonians in that ship with his heat vision after angrily shouting _"Krypton had it's chance!"_ Satanic.

[@ShineyFX]

I think you must have missed the part in the bible jesus started snapping necks

[@aredblip1315]

​@@ShineyFX lol At least you could argue that Zod was a genocidal maniac but boy that ship scene just takes the cake for me. (⊙_⊙;)

[@jaylemiere7283]

@@aredblip1315 those baby tanks were empty because the codex was tooken it was impossible for those tanks to have babies so this tanks were empty

[@jaylemiere7283]

@D F 2 of course he has the codex so zod would not complete his mission but also for zor els intentions.

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

As a christian i hate this comparison,i kind of like superman but you cant compare him with a real and important people

[@TheChooseAName123]

Jonathan Kent... I have flashbacks of being sooo angry in the cinema...

[@ShineyFX]

"maybe let children die" "you have to decide what kind of man you want to be clark"

[@TheChooseAName123]

@@ShineyFX there are ways for a movie to make a simple "maybe" infuriating to the audience. But this one must be the best.

[@phousefilms]

@@ShineyFX Clark: I can't save my adoptive father because he said hide my powers from the world, even let kids die to protect myself! He let himself die because he wanted me to keep my secret! Also Clark: Destroys a mans truck in a way that could only be with superpowers because the man...spilled beer on him on purpose and tried to push him(ineffectively). Also, clearly is invulnerable when he saves a bunch of people from that burning oil rig.

[@brewmaster2912]

@@ShineyFXwhat exactly is your problem with Shazam tho?

[@manat31790]

@@ShineyFX "You can choose whoever you want to be, Clark, except saving other people and revealing your power to the world. That is a no-no for me even if it's entirely your choice."

[@pepefrog558]

Im glad James Gunn is learning from Snyders mistakes and making Superman a brighter character than the way snyder showed him

[@Android-Twenty-One]

Learning? I'm 100% sure James Gun understands Superman without having to see Zack Snyder's adaptation of Superman at all. Plus James Gun seems perfect and such a comic fan like us. He even saw Hishe Coffee Gag and would love to have a nice reference to it with Batman and Superman having a nice cup of Coffee.

[@pepefrog558]

@@Android-Twenty-One If a writer before you writes a character poorly, you are clearly going to learn from their mistakes to perfect the character. It's a universal law that applies to everyone not just superman writers.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

Ah yeah, Gunn that already did Superman that did nothing while people before him were bleeding (and it was "same" Superman that immedietally stopped Lois from bleeding and also literally only stopped from saving people only when his own dad just waved him back to protect his secret). You guys are hilarious bunch.

[@Reese91momo]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz am I having a stroke? What are you trying to say?

[@denish-themenace]

Ah yes his dad waved him back to protect his secret. And Superman allowed his dad to die to protect his image. Because hope means : "i could save my own father the guy who raised me but I won't because I'm Superman, my secret identity is more important than saving my own father's life, the guy who raised me. I care way more for what'll people think of me if I go to save him than his pathetic life". I was so inspired by this scene that when my dad was hospitalized with stage 4 cancer, I DIDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL. You probably also treated your parents the same way Superman did. Truly the hopeful Superman of all time.​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

[@toasttitan3253]

I recently saw a really good quote that perfectly explains why Zack’s Superman isn’t Superman “Superman didn’t need to become Clark Kent, but Clark Kent Chose to become Superman”

[@miketheless8167]

That’s… not it at all though

[@dignerds]

Snyders Superman didn't become Clark Kent. They are one in the same.

[@iseeundeadpeople9]

@@dignerds No, they're not.

[@quakc8448]

That is so good I feel like it summarizes what Man of steel got wrong about superman

[@TFoxhound]

Snyder had A Clark Kent in the superman movie? ​@dignerds Only semblance of Clark we got from Snyder is "save Martha"

[@jcmcboo1890]

Great video! The fact of the matter is that Zach Snyder never believed in Superman's core character. He was quoted in an interview as saying that Superman was "too earnest". Many of his fans defended Man of Steel by saying that the "big blue Boy Scout Superman" wasn't realistic or believable and wouldn't play well on film. Marvel Studios disproved that theory with Captain America.

[@jcmcboo1890]

@Erik Kemeey I did and it is not.

[@Anshumansahu23]

@@jcmcboo1890 yeah sure.... expect Superman to be happy for 24×7 hours when people around him are dying right??... Ok And talking about Captain America ...difference is one is a human and another is an alien with superpowers that can annhilate an entire planet ....so people will be afraid of an alien lol

[@jcmcboo1890]

@@Anshumansahu23 To be fair, "Snyderman" didn't do all that much about protecting or saving people during his battle with Zod. He never tried to move the battle outside of Metropolis and was arguably culpable for the mass destruction and death. The fact is that Snyder never believed that anyone could be as wholesome or earnest as Superman and said as much. He deconstructed the character, changed his upbringing and made him an outcast so that he would fit into the much darker and dour version that we saw in Man of Steel, BvS and JL. We'll just have to agree to disagree but in my honest opinion the film Brightburn did a much better job of presenting a dark and scary version of the Superman origin story.

[@Anshumansahu23]

@@jcmcboo1890 uhh excuse me ..man of steel was written by Nolan and David S Goyer they both wanted Superman to be exact what you saw in BvS and Man of Steel ..so blame them not Snyder..... And Clark in man of steel was Amateur Superman for few days...meanwhile Zod being experienced adapted to planet Earth quickly and he was becoming Stronger... So it was difficult for him to control Zod .. And besides Zod ,There were 2 kryptonians and World Engines that were causing a lot of destruction..Superman ALONE was able to defeat them and saved the world so Stop acting like as if Superman caused destruction in Man of Steel ... Let's assume that 1000 people died in metropolis battle But Superman was able to save the entire planet...wasn't that enough for u?? Meanwhile your avengers(2012) in NYC battle couldn't think of any idea to shift the chitauri army far away from NYC?they too caused a lot of destruction but they get a pass... But WHEN SNYDER DOES THAT U LOSE YOUR MINDS ???

[@jcmcboo1890]

@@Anshumansahu23 Cards on the table here, I liked 300, Watchmen and Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead, I want 258 minutes of my life back for sitting through Sucker Punch and Army of the Dead. While I did enjoy other DCEU films like Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazzam, Suicide Squad 2 and Birds of Prey I have not liked any of Snyder's foray into the DC Universe for reasons that I have already mentioned. You are not going to convince me to like them any more than I can convince you to dislike them. Ergo, as I said before, we'll just have to agree to disagree. And check out Brightburn if you haven't seen it yet. It is a great deconstruction of the Superman origin story but with no actual tie to Superman. Another good one that is an actual re-imagining of Superman is the animated film Justice League: Gods and Monsters where General Zod's son is the one sent to Earth before the destruction of Krypton rather than Kal El.

[@RichardGradwell]

At the 13:20 mark, yes exactly, my absolute biggest problem with this movie. Clark would NEVER NEVER EVER let Jonathan or anyone else for that matter, die like that. Nope No way No How!

[@kamoheloiannk617]

See that's why you didn't like it not because theres anything wrong with the movie... But because of how You personally feel about the character... Your judgment is technically blurred because you refuse to understand that Snyder, Nolan and Goyer were building superman in front of our eyes instead of giving us an already finished boy scout superman. This is the most realistic superman and yall aren't happy about that

[@RichardGradwell]

@@kamoheloiannk617 no, no it wasn’t the most realistic Superman or any other man for that sake. Any person when faced with a situation where they either act, when it is easily within their power to do so, or let their father die, would chose to save their father. If you choose to just stand there and watch your father die, than you don’t have a shred of decency in you. If you can’t see that, I feel sorry for you as a person. I didn’t think the movie was poorly made, but that scene was inexcusable. I loved 300, I even loved Watchmen, and even though I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part, and BTW, it wasn’t exactly an original story, it was very much Batman Begins only with Clark instead of Bruce, I feel Zack didn’t seem to get the character, which saddened me as I was greatly looking forward to a new Superman movie. The effects were excellent, the actors were very good I thought, and I also thought the opening Kryptonian sequence was excellent. The characterization of pre Superman Clark, Jonathan Kent, and the story were deeply flawed, however. You’re free to love the movie, but I think even Smallville did a far better job of portraying Young Clark.

[@kamoheloiannk617]

@@RichardGradwell but you're stubbornly just arguing your point you're not making any effort to try understand. John didn't want Clark to save him cause the world would find out about and possibly hate him like they did in BvS. Man of steel is a story about a lost soul trying to figure out his place in this world. Blessed with incredible gifts but not sure how to use them if to use them at all.. I say most realistic because unlike the rest this superman has self doubt.. Wondering if letting his dad die in believing he's right he should wait weighs on him in this entire movie. Hencs I say you guys wanted something from this movie that this movie had set out not to be.

[@kamoheloiannk617]

@@RichardGradwell also no matter how dumb you think I am as dramatic as we may get around this conversation let's remember not to be disrespectful. We're all basically just lonely fans on the internet that care enough to exchange opinion you know

[@RichardGradwell]

@@kamoheloiannk617 again I feel sorry for you as a human being.

[@MerryMayhem]

I'll tell you what kind of "heros" batman and superman would be if they go around killing everyone without trial. The Injustice kind. The Dictator kind. Zack Snyder has a hardon for death & dominance through brute force. It's disturbing as F**k

[@dignerds]

The creators of those characters did them the same way .. Snyder s Superman wasn't keen on death and was optimistic

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

@@dignerds not really. He was always brooding or moping.

[@michaelb2226]

Let me guess you didn't learn anything from the kyle case?

[@johnsmith6132]

Tell me How does the military deal with threats because they’re heroes sometimes the permanent solution is the answer

[@Memento_mori2222]

@@johnsmith6132 how many soldiers go around killing regular criminals in their OWN country?

[@Project862006]

the pa kent death scene shows snyder did not understand superman at all the whole point of johnathan kents death is to show clark that he cant save everyone the most powerful man in the world was powerless to save his own father(who is suppose to die of a heart attack)

[@thenoirknight5729]

It's an alternate lesson for this Clark Kent. He already knows that he can't save everyone, but he should *try* to save everyone

[@desmond451]

Nah zack didn't get anything right with superman.

[@aswinprakash1275]

I Disagree This is an alternate take in the whole story, We already know the origin story of Superman and who is his villain mostly thru reeve superman and other television so why do we need the same plot to be seen over and over again So the different take.

[@meganek0597]

​@@aswinprakash1275It might be an alternate take on the story, its still inferior to the original one and it sucks

[@aswinprakash1275]

@@meganek0597 so do u have an Idea in showing pa kent death other than this

[@jarekgunther]

Marvel's most heartbreaking moment: Tony's death. DC's most heartbreaking moment: Zack Snyder as director.

[@bhargavram4027]

Ngl Tony's death felt forced af. If you really think that it's a heartbreaking moment then um... Good for you

[@elihutch7193]

Fs i wish it was someone else

[@minefromblackmonday]

@@bhargavram4027 i think the captain marvel one was more forced. I just cringed at the pacing which is unecessary yet dull just her punching thanos. It was only suppose to be Thanos and Ironman fighting and I agree with you but it felt more forced when dr strange was pointing his index finger up like wtf. (I knew what dr strange meant by that) i was looking for the suspense in that scene yet they gave me a "find the answer to this random scene" and literally the next scene using nanomachines to collect the stones was cool but still I didn't like the outcome.

[@bhargavram4027]

@@minefromblackmonday agreed

[@dignerds]

No ...Marvel's most heartbreaking moment is when MCU fans committed physical assault on people causing the police and medics to respond..and not be labeled a cult.

[@mrwhom2188]

Imagine getting an actor who is a near perfect match to the image of Superman as a character and a person, and then pair him with a director who doesn’t get it whatsoever. Forget shooting yourself in the foot, this is the equivalent of shooting yourself in the balls with an assault rifle.

[@gontse1386]

Gunn made starro,a justice league level threat, into something which can easily be defeated by the suicide squad I dont see anyone else b1tching about this

[@JamesKing-jv2kk]

@@gontse1386I know it stink behind the screen also curse lil bro

[@Abridgimation]

I started watching My Adventures With Superman, and damn do they nail Superman right on! And to nobody's surprise, the Snyder Cult hates it because he's comic accurate 🙄 it's like they hate the fact that Superman is supposed to be the Symbol of Hope

"OK, I had to save the cat, I had to save the cat!"

[@thememetacularsasquinatch3175]

I despise Snyder's Superman, and I dont particularly like My Adventures With Superman either. I think that Clark in My Adventures with Superman is.. wayyy too unsure of himself, especially for the point he's at in his life in the show. Usually, when Clark goes to Metropolis, he's already figured out who he is, what he is, and what he wants to be. He also doesnt try to be "Normal", he IS normal. But the show seemed to want the anime trope of the unexperienced hero having to find himself or whatever, and I just dont think that fits clark. I think My Adventures With Superman may have been better suited as a show about Super*boy*, then Clark, simply so they could do that whole arc of the protagonist finding himself

[@JoeMangaka]

​@@thememetacularsasquinatch3175 I just hate the fact that they animefied superman in that show , unfortunately that's what appeals to the modern audience, anime.

[@akash377]

Why people think that dark world is reality while light world is fictional? I don't understand.

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

That's what doom scrolling on social media does. Messes with your brain.

[@justaghostinthesea]

Ironically, the Superman from the Josstice Leauge is more like how Superman should be than in Man of Steel

[@nunka34ify]

Snyder’s Superman is too dark, plain and simple. Josstice League was a light-hearted, family-friendlier film that actually captured Superman pretty well

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@nunka34ify not at all, Snyder's Superman is literally the most accurate to source material Superman that there ever was, including deeper problematic of the character.

[@kannan07]

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz is your "source material" called injustice,cuz that's what Snyder took inspiration from Orr maybe the edgy biker Superman from new 52 that was so bad that they had to combine every past Superman and make a better,stronger and more hopeful Superman to fix it

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@kannan07 no

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@kannan07 no it's called 75 years of the character put into the most quintessential and non contradicting take ever.

[@tekkblade82]

Now that I'm actually watching this review, maybe letting his father die in the tornado was Clark's way of telling his dad he learned the lesson from saving those kids in the bus. "Fuck you dad for telling me it was ok to let children die, now you can die, pointlessly." - Clark, probably

[@foolslayer9416]

Except that isn't who Superman is or is supposed to be.

[@phousefilms]

Clark:Doesn't save adoptive father from tornado because hiding them is too important(to the point John said "let kids die son!") Also Clark: Destroys a mans truck openly with his power for spilling beer on him on purpose and trying to push him ineffectively.

[@calvinsimpson1301]

@@foolslayer9416 yeah thats the joke

[@blairbrown4812]

Remember that it was his father who discouraged his son from using his powers to save others, "until the opportune time." Clark *wanted* to save his father,he really did,but we saw Jonathan stop him from doing so with just a look,and willingly embrace death in order to preserve his son's secret.

[@tekkblade82]

@@blairbrown4812 and yet Clark could have saved his dad without exposing his powers. Clark could have gone to get the dog since Clark would have never been in danger from the storm. Clark could have run like a human into the storm to get his dad. Then let the wind carry both of them away, and claim their survival as a miracle. It doesn't happen often but there are stories of people picked up by a tornado that survive.

[@joshuagardner2030]

Superman fans and Zack-snider-man fans are very different people.

[@randynguyen9778]

Why because Snyderverse fans think different from you and like to support what we love.

[@quakc8448]

@randynguyen9778 Girl what, they probs meant that Zack’s fans like the dark n gritty, they boys style of “heroes” which I’d almost quite literally the opposite of Superman who is described as being too good to a fault.

[@randynguyen9778]

@@quakc8448 I am a guy so I dig the more the mature gritty tone. Superman is a good he is doing what he believe to be the right thing.

[@pzaikis]

I am both a Snyder fan and a Superman fan, but I despise Warner Brothers.

[@emperorpalpatine6239]

@@randynguyen9778No, it’s because Snyder fans do not understand the character of Superman and what he is supposed to represent.

[@spookeasy7592]

I used to think Man of Steel was decent film was a good starting point for the franchise, but after rewatching it recently it's one of the most unself-aware, incompetent, and pretentious films I think I've ever seen

[@ShineyFX]

Yeah, it’s got a lot of problems I had to resist from going too much into that film in this video because this isn’t a review. There are problems with Zods actions contradicting his motivations, there are issues with the powers of the antagonists in general

[@dignerds]

There is very little issue with this movie. It actually gets better after the 1st watch. Zods character is on point. But toxic haters hunt for issues. I love the 1934 Man of Tomorrow elements used that goes over supposed fans head

[@spookeasy7592]

@@dignerds If you think so

[@generallobo2179]

@@dignerds Good luck in this crusade

[@radiationoncologist]

Unself-aware, incompetent, pretentious

[@hujan1744]

Want a simple argument over Zack Snyders Superman? Zack unknowingly quoted a Superman villian from 2001 that was supposed to parody the edgy coat wearing "superheroes" of the 90s and early 2000s. And he did that in like 2015.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

Zack Snyder also very knowingly quote Superman comic by very same writer in which he snaps Zod's neck, which happens AFTER that comics comics (Action Comics 805). Zack also quoted original Superman #1 in which Pa Kent tells young Clark to hide his powers because people will fear them (and they did). 1939, people were already smarter than most of you and they didn't have much besides couple of books, juvenile cinema and real life.

[@kal.asther]

Which villain did he quote from and what?

[@hujan1744]

@@kal.asther Manchester Black from "What's so funny abot truth, justice and the american way?" comics by Joe Kelly, whitch then got made into Superman vs The Elite animated movie

[@eddiediaz5518]

@@kal.astherpretty much both argued that doing things the right way (lawfully and morally) wasn’t realistic and that things in reality are dark, and both finished off their statements saying “you’re living in a dream world”

[@kal.asther]

​@@eddiediaz5518 Yes, which is true. They were going for that realistic take. I saw that movie, mind you. That movie touched me. Doesn't mean there isn't room for a different kind of story telling. Besides, you can tell what Man of Steel was going for in the beginning, and the story it was supposed to unfold during it's supposed trilogy. You can see snippets of it in BvS. The world is realistic, and they introduced Superman as a catalyst of change. First was the destruction of krypton, shadowing what to come if Earth was to continue in its trajectory. Then we are showed both ideologies, a fearful human, and a wishful thinking kryptonian. Both enlightening our protagonist's mind, and ultimately leading him to his final decision. With all his powers he chose to put his life on the hands of those that persecuted him, willing to betray him for their life. How biblical. This showed in both movies, where he gave himself up to the army and the court--and was supposed to break humanity's mind and follow his lead in Justice League. Because when he died, they would realize that they actually needed him, and that their fear of him was unwarranted. But... whiny people--you know? It's actually crazy how it(the story) juxtaposes with how most people react to the movies. And that's why most "Snyderverse Fans" think these movies will be a classic one day. Because most people missed the point in the beggining, and slowly realize what the story was all about in the end. Me? I just wish we saw what Zack and his team was going for in the beginning without the "critique" debacle. Actually an inspiring take on live-action superhero movies. Much like his Watchmen.

[@avishkardesai2846]

Finally somebody who understands Me. Zack Snyder's version of Batman is unfaithful to comics & let's just not talk about Superman cause it was way stupid. Snyder's version of Superman was like Homelander.

[@kqquri]

Fr the only thing that is faithful to the comics are the suits

[@thenoirknight5729]

Zack Snyder's Superman is not Homelander. Not even close. Clark actually has empathy, care, compassion, humanity, is altrustic, and is selfless

[@OPM07]

Vibes Of Home lander

[@Amazingfilms148]

You say that Superman is like Homelander

[@alexbeltman7091]

Exactly, Zack Snyder makes terrible movies to gain support from his fanbase, and remember his sexist film Sucker Punch turns out to be a bit overrated.

[@JoseHenrique-cn8ur]

I remember how excited I was when this movie came out. Superman is my favorite superhero, but the scene when Clark doesn't save Jonathan broke my heart in the saddest of ways. That's not Superman. Every time I watched anything about Superman, it didn't matter how big the danger was, when Superman arrived I always knew everything would be okay, he would always do everything he could to save everyone. How can I trust this Superman when he refused to save his own father? How can I care and relate with this Superman when he did something I could never even think to do? The DCEU already started dead, if you can get right your most important icon, everything else is bound to fail. It a shame, the cast was perfect, Hans Zimmer soundtrack is beautiful, so much potencial wasted.

[@StareachValcin]

@Erik Kemeey still not a thing that Clark would do. He wouldn't let Jonathan Kent die, regardless of the risk.

[@nerdking1019]

@Erik Kemeey Superman would ignore those orders. Superman wouldn’t care. He’d tell his father. “I said not to save me” “Lucky for you my pa raised me better than thst”

[@thenoirknight5729]

Because he's not Superman yet, he's Clark Kent

[@nerdking1019]

@Erik Kemeey no I understood the character of Superman

[@nerdking1019]

@@thenoirknight5729 and Clark Kent and Superman are basically the same person. The morals and values are there from day one

[@StareachValcin]

Zack's misguided misrepresentation of Superman was never Superman. It shows a lack of understanding who the character is and what he stands for.

[@Vengeance289]

I like how people say Superman has to be more serious because no one would take him seriously in this day and age, only for shows like "My Adventures With Superman" and "Superman & Lois" to completely prove them wrong

[@gontse7582]

Superman and lois is cancelled because none of you actually watch it, you just using when attacking cavill's superman

[@Vengeance289]

@@gontse7582 Couldn't be anymore wrong. The show is being cancelled because James Gunn wants to tie everything together in movies, TV shows, animation, and games. Think before you type something out next time, kid.

[@gontse7582]

@@Vengeance289 WB needs every cent it can get If it was watched by many, the executives wouldn't allow gunn to cancel it No one watches it, that's why they have no issue cancelling

[@Vengeance289]

​@@gontse7582 Once again, you're wrong. Think before you type. The show was a success. They're cancelling it for the reasons I stated above.

[@Comuniity_]

​​@@Vengeance289CW has also been wrapping up all their superhero shows for a few years now, and afaik don't plan to make anymore. Superman and Lois was the last one.

[@user-gy1xp5fg3b]

This gets at the core as to my struggles with these interpretations of DC characters. As someone who is an avid, DC comic reader, it really saddened me to get all of these projects with so many fundamental misunderstandings of how these characters work. Amazing video! I’m really hopeful the James gun will be able to pull it together, but we will see!

[@Ron-ep3zl]

You have to remember that Snyder fans keep making basically the same claims about the Snyder verse. This Batman looks like Batman and Superman looks like Superman. Its all about the visuals instead of the characters themselves. Cavill has never played Superman. He looks like Superman but the direction he was given wasn't the character. Same with Batman. When you mess up the Trinity you have already lost and a film with the 3 and you don't break a billion dollars is a problem. The orginal Superman film has some issues but is far better written than Man of Steel. He learns from being raised by humans the right lessons in the orginal film. Lessons he was getting from his dead father in Man of Steel. The issues you raise about Man of Steel are the same issues I had with the writing as well.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

Wrong, some Snyder fans like me actually make FACTUAL STATEMENTS about the source accurate notions too. Because unlike most of you I am actually familiar with comics. If you think financial side of things decide what is success then 1) Snyder still wins since only when movies started with Him were successful (Aquaman was filming parallel when JL was still his) 2) all superhero movies are trash since R-rated Deadpool about literally who outdid every single one, especially when we you your math even Avengers 3 and 4 should've make MUCH more money to compare with Deadpool, a development hell made movie that accidentally got finished In Superman The Movie he learns that humans are fragile and will never meet up to him after he forced his dad to run which caused his heart attack. Then reverses time just to save Lois (not even to undo second rocket hit and undo earthquakes). Then he abandons all of his powers so he can have sex with Lois and finally live normal life, if not for the bully at the bar, who he will antagonize (Donner Cut, since it happened after total time reverse of everything that happened after Zod's phantom zone prison break) and beat him up with his powers. Amazing. Meanwhile in SnyderVerse Superman learns how to help people while doing as little damage in process as possible, he doesn't have priviledge of reversing time (yet) and despite many mistakes he still pushes forward and helps everyone he can, even saved Lex from Doomsday afterhe kindpapped and threw Lois from the building, after he had goons kidnap his foster mother and not to mention after all these people he killed before that. And original Superman by Siegel could very well just let him die, wouldn't be out of character at all.

[@Ron-ep3zl]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz 😆 🤣 😂 Your familiar with the comics and I'm not. 😆 🤣 Who were those Kryptonains looking for again in both versions? Oh yeah the son of Jor-El. In Donner's film he confronted Zod but once he realized he couldn't continue the fight around people he left to find another way. They destroyed some of downtown metropolis. In the Snyder verse they destroyed smallville and metropolis. But I didn't hold that against the film. In the orginal movie Superman was helping people the whole time. In the Snyder film Superman was helping people the whole time but he learned a very different lesson in the Snyder verse than in any other version including the comics from his human parents. Remember when Johnathan Kent told him he should have let those people die to protect who he is. While his Kryptonain father said he is to be the beacon of hope. His human mother told him to do what you want because you don't owe these people anything. His human father sacrificed his own life to give Clark the less of hiding. No he didn't force his dad to run. That would have happened to a human kid. He learned that no matter how powerful he is or what he can do he can't save everyone. He literally says that in the film. Wow you literally are trying to give him credit for films he had nothing to do with and they out performed his films. Here's a fun fact for you. Man of Steel with a iconic character that the entire world knows,earned 219 million while Deadpool a character that is far from Superman status earned 700 million. Aquaman 1.148 billion dollars and Snyder didn't do that film. Batman v Superman earned 872.7 million and Snyder did do that film. A movie with the Trinity is out performed by Aquaman. Really my guy? No the bully didn't beat him up with his powers in Superman the movie. Are you sure you were paying attention to the film? Yes he gives up his powers to be with Lois. He regains them when he finds out about the threat of Zod. Snyder's Superman didn't give up his powers to be with Lois but he is whipped. First piece and he fell in love. 😆 But I don't have a problem with that either. The problem is this moping around non beacon of hope that he doesn't become until Justice League. But if you think that was very Superman to allow Jonathan to sacrifice himself by letting a tornado suck him up then that's you. I don't recall that in the comics or any other story line Mr factual. As a comic fan we know why Superman is wearing the Black suit but anyone who hasn't read the comics doesn't. It's not explained in a 4 hour movie so in his universe it's just a fashion statement. Also you all knowing comic book Snyder fans didn't show up or aren't enough of you to keep that universe going. You all cried about losing Cavill but when the Rock opened the door to bring him back where were you guys? Like I said Batman v Superman should have broken a Billion easy but it didn't. First on screen appearance of Wonder Woman. First on screen appearance of Superman and Batman together. All 3 together and it loses to Aquaman. Snyder decided to skip character development because you all read the comics and he wasted the death of Superman, one of DC's iconic stories. Much in the way fox wasted the phoenix story twice. Yeah you know comics and I don't. 😆 🤣 I wouldn't have said that. Snyder reads the books he just poorly executed the use of his knowledge and mashed things together that he liked. Many fans of the comics,who out number you Snyder fans left the theaters with one question on their minds. Does this guy understand these characters? In the books Batman has plans for his plans. Yet Snyder's Batman just wings it and hopes for the best. He had no plan to deal with Superman when they brought him back to life. In the comics he wasn't actually dead by the way. At least Whedon gave that to Batman.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@Ron-ep3zl in Donner Cut they killed a LOT of people when powerless Clark was hitting it off with Lois. And reason why Zod's crew was even on the moon and then on earth is because Superman threw rocket there, so all murdered A LOT of people on the moon, in village, in the White House were also on Superman's part. But Unlike in Donner film in Man of Steel as soon as he learned about ultimatum he gave himself to Zod, without knowing how he will get out of there, surrounded by people same as him. That is Superman from comics. He learned lesson to keep his profile low, which is original Superman #1 1939, you can literally read it for free if you dare. Yes he did force his dad to chase him to the barn. You don't even watch your "beloved" movies carefully. So you aren't even fan of the version of Superman you "like", not a 100% fan.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@Ron-ep3zl also by that logic The Flash should have made 4 billion dollars at least. DCEU + Chris Reeve + Michael Keaton + George Reeves + Adam West + Nic Cage are nothing compared to Zack Snyder's single DC film, let alone to His trilogy. Thanks for proving me right again.

[@Ron-ep3zl]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz According to Zack Snyder around 5000 people died that day and 15-20% of main city was destroyed mostly due to World Engine, but at least 7-8 buildings got wrecked by Superman-Zod fight. We saw skyscrapers fall. In Superman two,3 astronauts died on the moon that were killed by the 3 Kryptonains and had nothing to do with the fight between Superman and them. 4 soliders,2 killed by Zod when he shot them and 2 Blown up by Ursa. In the Donner cut 10 people died. 7 humans and 3 Kryptonains all undone when he revered time. Wow that's a lot of people. Lol Thanks for proving me right. You like the Snyder stuff. Good for you. I'm not telling you not to like it.

[@MegatronDraw69]

Great Video! the arguments defending Zack's "superman" don't hold up, they got the parents wrong, they got Clark's motivations and personality completely wrong, he has no chemistry with Lois, Clark does nothing to help as many people from being killed in the final battle, and Clark would never just stand by as his father is swept off in a tornado, Clark would've gone after him even if he didn't have those powers, the Powers don't make him superman, its how he chooses to use those powers and what he chooses not to do with those powers, he would be as good of a person and strive to do as much good in the world with or without those powers, Power can't make you good or bad, and don't get me started on the horrible mishandling of the Batfleck, Wonder Woman, and now Martian Manhunter, the simple fact of J'onn being that General destroys that character and makes him a coward who just stands by when he could be helping civilians

[@voiceofreason467]

Oh look, someone who prefers a Superman already completely fully developed into who he is, already has the ability and experience to reduce massive amounts of property damage, already has a dynamic relationship with Lois Lane, etc... Meanwhile, the actual movie itself shows that this is not that Superman yet... and all you can do is say, "BUT I WANT THAT SUPERMAN! I WANT HIM! I WANT HIM NOW!" You know, people say "the arguments defending Zack's Superman don't hold up..." yet all I can hear are critiques about how you wanted a Superman already fully realized in terms of personality just thrown on the screen. You don't want to know how he gets there. You complain about his first actual fight ever, you complain about mistakes he's going to have to make and learn from and you complain about exploring the psychology of Superman growing up on earth. It sounds like you didn't even understand the point of Zack's Superman, so you decided it wasn't Superman. Great logic there.

[@MegatronDraw69]

@@voiceofreason467 oh look someone who doesn't understand Superman, tell me do you Snyder-bots come off an assembly line, or do you all just copy and paste each others arguments? you seem very angry btw why is that?

[@MegatronDraw69]

@@voiceofreason467 the "he's not superman yet" argument doesn't work bud, you're right he's not superman yet and he never will be becuz of the things he does in the movie and because of the way the kents raised him, they didn't teach him good moral values that molded him into the boy scout we all know and love, instead they teach him to be afraid of the world, to not use your powers to help people and do as much good in the world as possible, Pa Kent in this movie teaches Clark that its better to let people die than to face the consequences of the world not liking him? thats not superman, see you're trying to treat superman like spiderman, in that he has to go through some big cathartic/tragic moment in order for him to fully realize himself as a hero, but that is not Superman, Clark doesn't have to overcome some deep moral failing or go through trauma to know right from wrong and always do the right thing, this is a fundamental quality of aspirational heroes

[@voiceofreason467]

@@MegatronDraw69 You're the one who wanted a fully developed, already realized and saving people Superman. Just because you didn't get that, doesn't mean that isn't what the movie is doing. And this is not an argument, this is literally what the movie is doing. Are you literally incapable of trying to judge the movie on its own merits rather than actively judging it with your own bias. Also, that is funny that I don't understand Superman. I mean, I've read Kingdom Come, All-Star Superman, Superman Red Son, John Byrne's Man of Steel (which btw, is the very basis for Zack's depiction of MoS, maybe you should read the comics instead of having preconcieved pop culture notions of Superman). I know that Superman post-Crisis had constant issues of anxiety brought on about by Imposter Syndrome quite a bit. I know that he is horrified in the comics at the prospect that every night when he is sleeping, that somewhere in the world in his dreams he can hear people dying and he's not there to save them. Tell me, what do you know about the character that indicates you know him better than me? I'd like to know. And you know who does the things that you do with accusing people of anger issues before they've even displayed any anger whatsoever? People who don't have an argument that holds up to scrutiny. Let's see if yours does. "you're right he's not superman yet and he never will be becuz of the things he does in the movie and because of the way the kents raised him, they didn't teach him good moral values that molded him into the boy scout we all know and love" Wtf are you talking about? They teach him restraint in his abilities. Theirs even a scene where Clark is getting bullied and he wants to fight back but he doesn't because they could get hurt. He then talks to Johnathan and there is a little exchange of the type of morality that Clark has. Now, clearly there are flaws with his intake of this, such as destroying the Trucker's rig and such. But it is literally portrayed as wrong by the man's reactions as well as the ominous music that plays. The memory sequence also tells us why its wrong in a more overt manner. It seems like you don't know wtf you're talking about. "instead they teach him to be afraid of the world, to not use your powers to help people and do as much good in the world as possible" Um... no, that is not what they teach him. Johnathan Kent was telling Clark that the world is a dangerous place, with people filled with bigotry and are hard to accept truth when it is staring them in front of their face. He tells Clark this because he believes Clark has the ability to help the Human species, that he is not only their answer, but with what he can do, he can be their guardian. He is literally told that because of this great burden, he says that it is Clark's choice whether this burden is something he wants. This is the point where Johnathan is telling his son to use his powers to save people, to do good by the world but most importantly, to be a symbol for people to strive for. You clearly did not pay attention and you were just interested in tweeting reactions out. I'm not going to bother addressing anything else, its clear you either didn't watch the movie or you just didn't pay attention.

[@MegatronDraw69]

@@voiceofreason467 Oh I saw the film alright, and it was a waste of money to see a guy pretend to be superman, Clark doesn't leave people to die if he can help it, Clark's parents don't teach him restraint, if they did he wouldn't have destroyed that guys truck or killed zod, or fly zod through a factory and 7 eleven out of anger, This isn't superman, his mom tells him in BVS that its perfectly fine to drop his responsibility as a hero becuz the world is mean This Is not Superman or his world, trying to put Clark in a realistic environment is stupid, its the wrong approach for Superman, you can't turn an aspirational hero into a cathartic hero like Spiderman, aspirational heroes set the standard, Clark doesn't need to go through this journey of "self discovery" or learn how to be a hero or know what the right thing to do is, he just knows it becuz he was raised right, and he learns nothing from Pa Kents death, becuz guess what he goes out and exposes himself to the world anyways, Pa Kent died for nothing in this film, theres no meaningful lesson this superman teaches, he doesn't actually grow or have character development its no surprise to me that he turns evil in this post apocalyptic world in ZSJL

[@noone-mo6gy]

Say what you want about the Josstice League, at least it had SUPERMAN in it.

[@StareachValcin]

Agreed.👍

[@marvinj1000]

Yeah Superman with ugly cgi face 🤮

[@virgogaming6488]

I think Rian Johnson actually understands Luke Skywalker better than how Zack Snyder understands Superman. A deconstruction of a character only works after they've been constructed.

[@vjbd2757]

Rian Johnson assassinated Luke's character. Luke went from saving his father who killed countless lifeforms to attempting to kill his nephew when he has visions of him being the next dark lord(which he did became).

[@NobleRaider2747]

​@VJ BD someone didn't pay attention to the movie According to Ben, he tried to kill him, saber ignited in front of him while he slept, but Luke only gave it a single THOUGHT and turned off his saber before Ben thought he was there to kill him and attacked him

[@jmgonzalez4]

This is a good point. The only counter point is that Man of Steel was written by David Goyer -- the same person who helped Nolan write the Dark Knight trilogy -- who undoubtedly knows & understands most of Superman lore. Of course he had to bend the story to Zack Snyder's vision. To me, at first watch, the depiction of Supes in MoS felt more like a flattening of his character into a playing piece/action figure to support a story about Gods vs Men. And that's never been a particularly gripping aspect of his appeal & stories.

[@mrrm5456]

The brain hurts so much when thinking about this film. Like even thematically, what do you learn from this movie? Nihilism? God!! 🤦🏼

[@ShineyFX]

Snapping peoples neck solves your problems

[@mrrm5456]

@@ShineyFX I guess lol 😂

[@elitescarecrowgaming4713]

Superman kills Zod in the comics

[@buhnana6117]

@@elitescarecrowgaming4713 he most often isn’t portrayed as a hero in those stories

[@kamoheloiannk617]

@@ShineyFX no by snapping Zod's neck, he's choosing Humanity over Krypton he's choosing to kill the last of his people cause zod had also said, He would never stop killing the humans either he dies or superman dies.

[@LuisSanchez-by7mh]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I did like what Joss Whedon did with Superman in the theatrical Justice League. He was full of joy, campy, quipped, and actually cared about saving civilians. That’s probably the closest thing we’ll see Cavill Reasonably the Superman we all know.

[@StareachValcin]

I agree. 👍

[@fabiospfc]

Superman in Josstice League is good but the movie is bad

[@LuisSanchez-by7mh]

@@fabiospfc oh yeah 100%. But even a bad movie could have good characters even with terrible CGI lip.

[@phousefilms]

CG removed moustache aside, way better Superman(and JL)than the extended crapfest Snydercut(which I was glad to learn today would NOT continue the franchise ever again!)

[@LuisSanchez-by7mh]

@Erik Kemeey to be fair he still saved people. But Snyder made him reluctant. Turning him into a Randian Reluctant Hero. I know Henry Cavill could pull off Superman if given a proper chance and a better script and director.

[@bobcarn]

Snyder absolutely did not understand the characters. He even less appreciated them. I think the biggest sign of that was when some fans told him that they didn't like the idea of Superman or Batman killing, and he told them to "grow up". These were characters with established morals and loved by the world before he was even born. If you can't appreciate that and respect it, you shouldn't be in charge of representing them.

[@balanc-joy9187]

I'm reminded of the animated episode _The Late Mr. Kent_ where Superman spends a lot of the episode struggling with what to do when he gets "killed" as himself, and revealing that he's alive would reveal he's Superman, but also an innocent man will be executed if the evidence that Clark had gotten is not brought to light. Thing is, Clark is _never_ going to just let the man die, he just tries to find other ways around the problem while he still has time, and when it comes down to the wire, Clark is ready to reveal his identity if it means saving even just one man. When he can't stop the execution in time though even then, he busts into the chamber and physically saves the man from execution. THAT is who Superman is, not this _Man of Steel_ mockery. Superman might not be able to save everyone, but he will ALWAYS _try_ no matter what.

[@StareachValcin]

Agreed. 👍

[@warzardtheboredtimelord2865]

MOS & BVS being in the same league as TLJ is 100% accurate.

[@ShineyFX]

There are so many parallels you can draw between the media and their creators. I know I keep saying this over and over again, but Snyder fans are just TLJ defenders. when people can't stand their sacred cow being criticised its the exact same defences and responses. over and over.

[@dignerds]

It's not in the same league .. I'm a 52 year old Snyder fan and Superman fan and I don't like TLJ.

[@Materminds187]

No, TLJ is better

[@SMaSH101onSITE]

@@Materminds187 don't do drugs🤣 I can see hallucinations in your comment

[@somenolifeloser.7752]

I agree with this a lot.

[@AV8R_Surge]

Your approach to arguing your point is very scholar, you don't simply state an opinion, but also back it up with relative clips. This form is sorely missing in most KZbin reviews.

[@runisa]

Yeah I agree with some of the stuff he said but he said to me that S has nothing to do with him being kryptonian when it’s his family crest and has been since the 80s when I pointed this out to him he didn’t reply. what I’m trying to say is as much as I love the animated series it doesn’t always mean it follows the Superman canon and this guy only references the animated series and not the comics,so he isn’t going to the source.

[@maximyllion]

god i really just want a dc universe with accurate depictions of the charscters

[@bampxx3432]

Honestly just watch the animated movies and shows from the 90s and early 2000s cuz it’s the best we’re gonna get unfortunately.

[@Vengeance289]

With James Gunn and Peter Safran in charge, that might just happen.

[@UnknownEX0]

@@bampxx3432 you’re right the animated movies are so good

[@JamezWalker668]

When you have hundreds if not an infinite number of different iterations of a character exist across an infinite Multiverse who can say what Depiction is truly "accurate"?

[@UnknownEX0]

@@JamezWalker668 main continuity in the comics are accurate depictions of the characters

[@omenakev1077]

Hopefully James G. Is going to to do it right, unlike the monstrosity Snyder caused the character.

[@fwuckkyusayy2906]

There was 1 scene in this movie where zod slid a gas truck right at him he flys in the air jumping over it all for a superman hero pose meanwhile the truck hits the building and explodes behind him 😂😂😂 thats NOT superman ,cavil himself is superman any other writer would've done him justice

[@Chordus_Gaius]

Great Video Shiney. Snyder's vision of Superman deviated from what Superman is, basically creating a new character with a Superman Skin.

[@thenoirknight5729]

How is Superman not a genuinely good dude who just wants to help out and save people?

[@Dee_rian]

​@@thenoirknight5729Because it's forced into a grey world with negative tones. The atmosphere in every flashback of smallville is colorfully mute and not even for emotional emphasis just gloomy scenes. And neither does Clark learn anything but to "preserve your secret because that's all that matters"

[@godai6203]

Here’s the thing: I still think Henry is a great casting choice. Maybe it’s because I love him but I think that if Superman was more faithfully written, he would have been great. I hold the same sentiment regarding Grant Gustin as Barry.

[@StareachValcin]

I do agree with the argument of this video that Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman isn't true to who Superman is and what he stands for. I honestly don't think Zack Snyder understands Superman and I don't think that he ever will, especially after the Snyder cut. This video is a good video that shows real understanding of who Superman is and what he stands for.

[@zhengyingli]

I think Zack Snyder does understand Superman, which is why he changed him into a selfish hero.

[@StareachValcin]

@@zhengyingli how is changing Superman into a selfish hero a sign of understanding Superman? It's literally a sign of the opposite; Zack Snyder not understanding Superman. Making Superman a selfish hero goes against everything Superman is and everything Superman stands for. It's totally disrespectful to Superman in general.

[@StareachValcin]

@Erik Kemeey Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman isn't true to who Superman is and what he stands for. Period. That's not gatekeeping.

[@SpiderJerk2000]

@@StareachValcin Clark in man of steel saved a group of oil rig workers the first time we meet him.

[@StareachValcin]

@Erik Kemeey if you want a more recent example of Superman that demonstrates the ideals, values, integrity, and humanity of Superman, check out Tyler Hoechlin's portrayal of Superman, especially in the series Superman and Lois. He does Superman right, unlike Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman, which does Superman wrong.

[@rODIUMuk]

Agree with you . The character wasn’t written as superman. You broke this down amazingly

[@KennAKALeo]

I am convinced that Zach Snyder hates what Superman stands for. Superman as a symbol of hope. Superman as a savior. There's lip-service to those things: "on my planet it means hope", the Jesus-imagery, "you must give the people something to strive for". But this movie was all about tearing those things down. In this film, Kal-El isn't a savior. As a child he asks "should I have let them die", and as an adult he lets them die. The destruction porn, the nihilistic destruction of Metropolis and Smallville. Even the petty act of destroying the big-rig. It's all in service to the message: if Superman existed, he'd be an agent of destruction.

[@dakotaloven1362]

If superman was always a sadist like Zack synder makes him I highly doubt his historical impact would be nearly as massive as it is today from rallying the moral of the allied troops (not just Americans but most allied troops Canadian, british etc) up to becoming one of the most famous pop culture icons in all of human history its that joy and hope and happiness he spreads that makes him so valuable and iconic

[@karankumar4384]

James Gun making new superman movie taking inspiration from comics like All stars Superman, and we might see Superman vs The authority in future (similar to superman vs the elite). I am so happy Zack is gone. Your thoughts?

[@ShineyFX]

I’m fascinated to see where he goes with that. I really like superman vs the elite

[@karankumar4384]

@@ShineyFX Same, just hope they find a good cast like Henry

[@TheMechaNerd05]

Superman stand for Hope, but I don't see any hope in the DCEU version, such a bad adaptation ever, even CW execute it much more better, I don't get the stupid praises for this superman and dumb Zack snysh*t

[@maladacav8819]

Ah, the perplexing transformation of Superman from the paragon of goodness to a brooding, stressy-depressy figure - a shift that left even a non-diehard superhero aficionado like myself scratching their head. Superman, for me, has always embodied pure, unadulterated goodness, standing in stark contrast to the gritty demeanor of Batman. Yet, in this era of gritty reboots, it seems everyone, including the Man of Steel, is getting a gritty makeover. How utterly... nonsensical. Then why stop there? Let’s make Wonder Woman into a “Gone Girl”psychopath since we are on a roll here. The Snyder cut of Justice League did manage to capture the essence of my favorite superheroes coming together in all their glory, a sight to behold indeed. However, let's address the elephant in the room - why the need to turn Superman into a potential Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders? Even in the original Justice League, the one that aimed to showcase the “ lighter side “epic tale of their unity, they couldn't resist portraying Superman as a looming, intimidating figure. Sure, the whole "he didn't know who he was" excuse fits the bill for a larger-than-life character, but did they have to make him look downright scary? I found myself tiptoeing around whenever Superman graced the screen, unsure if he was about to unleash his inner sociopath on his mom or girlfriend. The supposed beacon of virtue and "goody toe shoes" had me on edge, fearing what twisted turn his character might take next. Call me old-fashioned, but I never signed up for a Superman-induced anxiety trip. Give me the Superman of yesteryears, the one who embodied hope and unwavering goodness, not this brooding enigma with a potential dark side.- that’s wtf we have Batman for. I concur with your assessment!

[@KnowledgeDonald-w8m]

👏😊

[@aaadesktop]

Fantastic review and totally clarified my reasoning to why i always thought Bryan Singer's Superman was better than the Snyder Superman (dont worry, Reeves is still my fav). The one scene with the odd lip 😂 where Cavill's Supes is asked what he thinks about our world and remains silent was like a major WTF moment for me. That's when I started to hate the guy 😠

[@Iagle888]

It strikes me so odd that Zack Snyder went out of his way to try and interpret superman outside the fantasy and place him in a real world environment having to logically explain the existence of a superman without any consistency or compelling story. If we are playing by the rules of reality, superman has more muscle mass than Faora the kryptonian chick so he should easily outmatch her with strength where she would outmatch him with speed and Zod should outmatch him with skill and the other guy who we never got a good look at should outmatch him with strength. Also, super beings punching super beings should if we are to follow logic, cause damage to each other no deferent than normal people fighting. Where are the black eyes, the fat lips, the broken arms, the broken neck? Wait....where's the consistency... And how does an inexperienced superman get a trained general in a headlock? Did Clark join the military? Where did he get his training? And where is the back story of how Superman fell in love with Louis they are all of a sudden, a couple is Zack Snyder, an amateur?

[@levicarpenter5509]

Whats also stupid is because there is no setup for zod being a villian, he goes from someone leading a revolution against a government that led his planet to destruction to someone willing to commit genocide for some reason even though he could make a new krypton on another planet

[@lucas169]

Just discovered this channel. Adore what you do with the production value of having mo cap characters with backgrounds. Earned a Sub.

[@ShineyFX]

Thank you very much

[@Oldschool1943]

cavill wanted to play as traditional superman over snyder's edgy man of steel in fact cavill picked josh whedon's justice league over synder's justice league bcuz whedon actually allowed him to play superman and cavill said when talking about man of steel 2 that he wanted to go back to being traditional superman, so i don't blame cavill at all i blame snyder for the direction not only to superman but all of the characters bcuz he only read from frank miller and made every character dark and edgy like batman even batman never even felt like batman and snyder believe that batman should be a killer. race swap aquaman turn into a dude bro biker i just finish watching Justice League: Throne of Atlantis not only it was faithful to the character and source material but it told a origin story without disrespecting and race swapping the character and the movie work. thank god i'm no longer feel like i'm the only one that felt this way. the whole depiction of snyderverse is bad. the only thing i'm still mad about is DCEU wasted Michael Keaton's comeback on this trash universe and even wasting sasha calle's supergirl debut. that's the one thing that i still can't get over with. personally i was never a fan of the alot of the casting even Jesse Eisenberg is the worst live action lex luthor of all time. it was so bad that it made me go back and appreciate all of the other live action and animated versions of Lex luthor. it takes alot of heart, balls and passion to put a video like out without getting harassed by the snyder cultist.

[@ArishemTheJudge-19]

I've been saying for years that man of steel is a TERRIBLE Superman movie. Superman's personality is a wooden plank and does not give a shit about human lives at all.

[@Undertacoss]

Yeah, what makes Superman...well Superman, isn't his powers, is what he represents, he's the symbol of hope, Snyder's superman is literally Zod wannable

[@gontse7582]

All this because he didn't smile the entire movie? You don't want him to have emotions?

[@username29188]

​@@gontse7582No-one said anything about him not smiling. Quit making stuff up.

[@gontse7582]

@@username29188 that what you "real dc fans" always cry about You hate cavill's superman because he didnt try to be exactly like Reeve's

[@username29188]

@@gontse7582 They should hold olympic events for jumping to conclusions. 🙄

[@Left-wing-bills]

A character doesn’t need to have trauma or dead parents to be interesting, what makes superman interesting is his devotion to wanting to do the right thing, that no matter how many times he can save a cat from a tree or people from a burning building, he can’t save everyone

[@michealmahmoud6391]

I mean to be fair Clark lost an entire planet and a good portion of his existence as a character (58 of his 87 years of existence), Jonathan and/or Martha Kent were dead right before Clark became Superman. But it wasn’t trauma that caused him to be Superman, just wanting to do the right thing and help people wherever he can. He isn’t a character defined by tragedy but someone who overcomes tragedy and believes you can do the impossible and make it possible. That what makes him hopeful.

[@HalfTangible]

0:47 It would be more accurate to say that many people thought Man of Steel was great. I don't know anyone who thinks BvS was better than a disappointment. Mostly people wanted the Snyder cut because Whedon's version was so awful it made BvS look like a masterpiece in comparison.

[@ShineyFX]

I have heard a lot of Snyder Fans say Batman VS Superman is perfect and amazing. I have had enough of them screaming at me on twitter to know that a vast majority of the snyder fans defend it.

[@blacklight8658]

Henry Cavil and Andrew Garfield are my two favorite actors for comic book movies. Sadly both were robbed of their great casting with bad writing and directing

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

Wrong. They both had The most source accurate honest take on each of their character.

[@Vengeance289]

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bzlol

[@tariqulislamakash5749]

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz You can't stop embarrassing yourself can you? Snyder cultists are a special breed of brain damaged losers

[@Johnadams20760]

i have not watched this yet, just getting started, but Chrisopher reeve played the most completely TRUE superman. zack snyder's was too dark almost like they were tryign to mak ehim batman

[@thewingedringer]

Zack Synder had a place in the DCEU, it just shouldn't have been the head of it. Something like an alternate injustice universe, and I'm sure he'd have done well there, people would love those movies.

[@tekkblade82]

“Someone says to me: ‘[Ben Affleck’s] Batman killed a guy,’” Snyder said, “I’m like, ‘Fuck, really? Wake the fuck up.’ Once you’ve lost your virginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something about, like, ‘My superhero wouldn’t do that,’ I’m like, ‘Are you serious?’ I’m, like, down the fucking road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like, ‘My heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t fucking lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world." Zack Snyder is a no talent hack that doesn't have a clue about superheroes.

[@ShineyFX]

Agreed. It’s a shame I only just head about this comment this morning otherwise it would have been the opening statement of the video

[@honestkyn718]

Okay, you want to know how i reboot the DCEU? I start with Synder righting who he Reallyw anted to write: the Elite. Then we have a film were Superman fights them and decontrcuts it. Not by Syder of course

[@tekkblade82]

@@honestkyn718 That would be a great rebuttal to Snyder's moronic view on superheroes. Make sure to have Henry Cavil playing true, happy, optimistic, Superman in the deconstruction movie.

[@buhnana6117]

Jesus Christ did he actually say this? That actually hurt to read.

[@tekkblade82]

@@buhnana6117 He did. He's that stupid.

[@danamania150]

Great critique. I don’t read comics but I grew up on the Christopher Reeve version of Superman. Those movies were corny, but they nailed Clark’s goodness and his deep sense of morality and family. I remember watching Man of Steel and being so so disappointed. I hope the next incarnation will be closer to the Clark we know and love. Though it is heartbreaking that Henry Cavill was (mostly) wasted!!

[@wholethedogsout880]

@Erik Kemeey nope! youre delusional

[@carlosalbertolealrodriguez5529]

8:10 They are going to kill me for this, but... "Superman Returns" made a better job at portraying this part of Superman, learning to use his powers.

[@njerisonko1384]

Am glad you have no problem against Henry Cavill. I really liked him being Superman. Henry Cavill should played Superman but Zack Snyder shouldn't have directed the movie.

[@TheHeroBleeder]

As Smallville points out: The suit doesn't make the hero, a hero is made in the moment by the decisions he makes and the reason that he makes them. Hell they even mention Nietzsche about the concept of an Ubermensch as a person who embraced the life he/she was given and Chose to make it better or someone who could Overcome Nihilism and create New values. Zach snyder didn't understand anything about what Superman is was and what Nietzsche meant. And anyone who uses "the Reign of superman"(1933) which was about a telepathic VILLIAN bill dunn bent on World domination after a scientist offers him the potion that gives him his power as then proceeds to kill said scientist for the formula" and calls man of steel "Comic accurate" Superman because it's Realistic and dark doesn't understand That how can people have an idea to strive towards through a man is Just exactly like us. It's like saying theirs nothing wrong with Humanity as a Species when we are so uncaring about our fellow man that goes against everything about Jesus Christ (despite all the jesus imagery in MoS) as a "savior". Also people who use the "Man of steel is comic Accurate" and source "the Reign of Superman(1933) when the characters in Action comic #1 (1937) and "the reign of Superman"(1933) are Totally different.

[@Cipher_Nine]

Who can blame him for turning out the way he is when his father said that he should've maybe let those kids drown in the bus. His father is even worse in that universe

[@gontse1386]

His father was worried about his secret getting out, do you have any idea what the government would've done to Clark

[@Cipher_Nine]

@gontse1386 the real Pa Kent would've presented that scenario to him and tell him that it's his choice but here's the risk. And still, if we do the maths, 30 kids dead vs 1 captured kryptonian.

[@montyhuckle7302]

I've only read one superman comic (all star superman) and even I know that this isn't how superman should be. I just can't understand how Snyder fans are so insistent that an emotionless non-character is what superman should be.

[@superbrian7997]

25:30 That might’ve been the most beautifully articulate explanation of why Batman doesn’t kill that I’ve ever heard in my life thus far. “The orphan doesn’t want to make more orphans.”

[@orboakin8074]

Thank God for the new Superman and Lois cartoon on HBO. This Superman cartoon were such a surprise to me! I have been a life-long Superman fan since my childhood in Nigeria and I love this! This version of Lois was also another surprise. She is a gonzo journalist and strong female without any feminist nonsense and she looks attractive. Clark is heroic, lovable, and not a cynical evil "realistic" character like Snyder kept making him. It's like westerners actually decided to make a good Super hero show devoid of toxic identity politics, with great characters a d writing and also a positive masculine character and feminine character😯👍

[@gontse7582]

It's cancelled because none of you "superman fans" watched it, you just remember it when making comparisons to hate on snyder

[@jamesmarno]

Thank you. So many points in there that I myself have been questioning for years. I'm glad you noticed the whole issue with "I found my people" line. It was so weird. Why does he refer to them as his people when he's been living on Earth all his life? And also, that scene is so stupid as he is so vague and doesn't go into any detail...it just becomes an opportunity for Martha to have a nice big monologue. If that wasn't the best example of a time for Clark to have a monologue, I don't know what else is. Which sheds light on how the writers and creative team behind the film felt about Superman. He's not worthy of even having a say in his own story.

[@michealmahmoud6391]

I mean this was something also in Silver Age, Smallville and modern age comics. Clark may have been raised among and by humans, but he grew up with his powers and not knowing who he really is. That’s why he was excited to see people like Krypto, Supergirl (his cousin) , Kandor or even the Legion of Superheroes, he gets to meet people like him, who knows who he is and can relate to him. It’s a moment of joy where he isn’t alone and doesn’t feel like an outsider. It’s not him hating humanity or earth, it’s a moment where he can find some people he can relate to

[@TheWizardGamez]

I remeber seeing the first iron man movie. how it took a man, and turned him into a hero. made him realize his life wasnt just worth living, but worth fighting for. that his ethics were worth more than the bottom line(wrapped up in the second movie). but with man of steel... we dont see a man, shit we didnt even get a boy. we dont see him become superman. he kinda already is. we dont see him turn a new leaf, or make the hard choices, or go through deep and immese struggle that makes him have to choose. he just goes on and does stuff. hes the most passive protaginist in any superhero movie ive watched. and that says a lot since Dr.Strange is literally 1 big training montage.

[@rODIUMuk]

Agree with you . The character wasn’t written as superman.

[@marzero116]

It took superman decades to get his powers but the Kryptonians are FULL power immediately. A smarter writer would have had it so that the kryptonians were weaker but because there was a lot of them he has to fight them all and save innocent people at the same time. That shiuld be the struggle.

[@Thaumiel98]

True. At first Superman couldn't fly, only jump really high.

[@Jasonixel]

Genuinely, in terms of destruction, Zack Snyder made Dragon Ball Z the Saiyan saga but with Superman and Zod. And even then it’s still terrible.

[@umarraja6161]

So basically Henry Cavill played Clark Kunt

[@gontse7582]

He played a proper Clark, not the timid, awkward version which exists only because of the Reeve movies

[@umarraja6161]

@gontse7582 I like Cavill but I'm not sure about the proper part. I respect your comment though 😎

[@BigSeayProductions]

I can agree the Snyder films are trash but the Last Jedi is nowhere near as bad as those. My opinion here but the last jedi was made by an actual good director while Snyder is just a hack

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

In zack snyder mind the only way that a super hero can be more serious is being a villain

[@ManHamLym]

Where has he ever been a villian? Name me an example where he was evil?

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

@@ManHamLym youre right,i should not have said that,to talk the reality i only watched resumes of the film and that battle scene whit zoid

[@Winter_Wizard3]

​@@ManHamLymThe Nightmare Scene I don't care If He was controlled By Midseid Snyder Doesn't Believe In Hope

[@freddienes3840]

Thank you. You hit every checkpoint I've been saying for years, and thanks to the people in this chat because I thought I was lone.

[@dreamkix1044]

I have never seen a very Detailed and Intresting Video on MOS on youtube yet , YOU ARE AWESOME dude !!!!!!

[@ShineyFX]

Thankyou for the kind words. I’m happy you enjoyed it.

[@ermericcarolissen694]

Man of Steel had no heart. And a Superman movie without heart isn't a Superman movie.

[@ahmadfitri7976]

That goes directly into the Multiverse Superman.. Snyderverse Superman.. The one that kills.. Snyder should've not being given a chance to do this..

[@bad-people6510]

His Batman ain't Batman either.

[@Myself_here]

He was Batman in ZSJL 🤡

[@okand6770]

Superman was batman in his own movie😂​@@Myself_here

[@Myself_here]

@@okand6770 LMAO I don’t remember Batman saving the entire world and saving soldiers in a middle of a fight against other gods 💀

[@nerdsman567]

Man of Steel (and the Snyderverse Trilogy, in general) is the embodiment of how cynical and pessimistic the 2010’s were. :/

[@SourRobo8364]

The best Superman movie is Superman vs The Elite. Highly recommend it to everyone.

[@karankumar4384]

James Gunn is going to adapt that

[@justaghostinthesea]

​@@karankumar4384Really?

[@DarkMetalGlobal]

Great video! I hate the snyderverse its soo bad. Its funny how Invincible does the whole civilian casualtys WAY better. Not everyone will agree but I thought Matt Reeves Batman understood the character way better than any other batman movie. It even did the destruction of the city better (with the flood or riddlers "cleansing" of gotham). James Gunn superman cant possibly be as bad as or even worse than this. Hopefully its good.

[@nishchayjain1121]

Well at least my adventures with Superman get who Superman is. A cartoon and live action Tv show got Supes’s character right.

[@rogerelliss9829]

Ultimately the problem is, this superman going down the road to injustice superman wouldn't be that dramatic a shift. This superman just isn't that good a person

[@suganthram7767]

Just asking out of curiosity. So it is wrong to write superman as flawed ?

[@rogerelliss9829]

@suganthram7767 no. It's not wrong to write him flawed. But it's the type of flaws that are important. We never saw this superman go out of his way to save the innocent bystander that gets caught up in the damage from his fight. That's crucial for who superman is as a core character. Oblivious to the damage he helps create is not a flaw that makes superman at all. Smallville showed a very flawed superman, but his core character wanted to save everyone and when people were endangered by his own actions it caused him a tremendous amount of pain.

[@e1eventy7t]

The mocap looks like it has improved since the last video, awesome job Shiney 👍

[@ShineyFX]

Yeah I now have hands

[@Jamfrog35]

what's even crazier, I feel like they could of have Superman trying to save civilians from dying by stopping abuilding from collapsing on them, stop a bolder to crush them, anything from their destruction and Zod, who notices this, would of use Superman's care for the people as his weakness, which forces the final climax that he could of snapped his neck, or like you said, just knocked him out. I may like the film, but even I know that isn't superman.

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

"even I know" Oh gee, EVEN you.

[@Jamfrog35]

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz look, I get it it's supposed to be a darker take and edgy take to Superman, but it's not Superman if all they do is showcase just the powers. He's a man, not an alien. [yes I know Bats said that in JL, but I mean show don't tell] Even if Zack has his reasons, Superman's known to never kill due to he doesn't want to break the world. He always finds a different way. This is the opposite of what Superman does. death and destruction happens yes, and villain's will have to have the heroes make the tough call, but the reason why not a lot of people like it is because Superman isn't superman without the heart. I don't know who didn't like Superman being Superman and prefer him to just punch the daylights out of a villain, but they clearly don't know why Superman is great. I thought Superman Returns, despite feeling like they copy and paste his quotes a bit, felt like Superman. Even the animated DC movies felt like Superman. Even the movie Superman vs the elites is a similar situation. Was it a show, yes but imagine that in live action.

[@Jamfrog35]

sorry for a long text but I have my reasons.

[@abhijithashok2564]

Zack snyder version of superman is superman that quoted in kill bill which is the exact opposite of who superman is 😂

[@quakc8448]

It feels like Snyder just wanted to do Supergirl but didn’t know who she was.

[@Dread-VilePlanet]

I 100% Agree And I Got Admit It's Like Joel Schumacer Understood Batman More As He Wanted To Always Create A Darker Batman Film Than Zack Snyder Understands Anything DC And I Am Not Even A Huge DC Fan And I Feel Sorry For Henry Cavill For Having His First Superman Role Be Under A Incompetent And Stupid Director Who Dosen't Understand Anything About DC

[@thenoirknight5729]

Atleast nice to see Joel Schumacher get some appreciation 👍

[@Dread-VilePlanet]

@@thenoirknight5729 Thanks :)

[@honestkyn718]

So The thing is honestly this is a Superman who is fundamentally inhuman. He wants to be more connected with the alien side of himself; he wants to be kryptonian. He also seems to be oddly... well, sociopathy. He doesn't really care about anyone aside from people who know them. He's a what-if really; what if the Kents were unable to handle what i means to raise a superman as a human... instead he's just a monster...

[@zhengyingli]

If that's the case why did Clark keep losing his jobs in order to save strangers? Why did he cry when the capitol building blew up?

[@honestkyn718]

@@zhengyingli a good question given the rest of the film shows he cares more About Lois and his mom then anyone else

[@zhengyingli]

@@honestkyn718 Everybody cares more about the people they're close to. It's a very human trait.

[@honestkyn718]

@@zhengyingli Shame this Kal-El is more of a Kryptonian, openly disreguarding the fact he was raised by humans... not to meniton his own father castiagitng him for DARING TO RESCUE CHILDREN

[@zhengyingli]

@@honestkyn718 Jonathan just didn't want Clark risk his secrets getting out until he's ready. It's no different than in the comics. Clark is very human in Snyder's movies, which even you admit to when you know that Superman cares more about his close ones than others.

[@biguy617]

Well there is a difference between Rian and Zack. Rian isn’t a narcissistic egotistical man with Aryn Rand beliefs. Zack is.

[@phousefilms]

We can blame some of RJ's writing thanks to the fact there wasn't an overall plan(unlike the prequels, for example). He did the best he could, did some new and interesting stuff,but the majority hated it because we had novels and comics later where Luke was a super powerful Jedi with sheer immunity to the Dark Side and a "never give up"personality(compared to the cynical character he is in the film, which I was actually fine with, as it made way more sense to me). Snyder tried to make the universe his own. Snyder, the man who said Batman Begins would have been better if Bruce was raped in prison in the beginning. Snyder is such an edgelord he didn't try to respect the characters, but made them more to his liking. Superman is a gritty moody Jesus Archetype who loves only two people(Lois and Martha), but in no way loves humanity, already effing up his character. Saves Lois a thousand times in MOS alone, but not a single other bystander. Batman is an angry killer who murders normal thugs and brands them, but has not killed any of his main rogues gallery(how are Killer Croc, Joker and Harley still alive enough to appear in the first(crappier)"Suicide Squad"?)and does CrossFit while having sixty dream sequences that take up more time in the movie than the actual fight. Lex Luthor was better as a cheesy land baron than the weird quirky Joker/Riddler knockoff Eisenberg played. Doomsday went from the monstrous alien experiment that was made immune to almost everything to a crappy Teenage Mutant Cave Troll goon. The straight to video DC animated did him better. I know people hate TLJ, I'm one of the few who like it, but RJ did what he could(I would compare him to Joss Whedon, who had to put Snyder's garbage film and make a watchable movie of the mess.)

[@biguy617]

@@phousefilms Snyder was making every DC Hero a killer just for the sake of killing and it felt forced. Most of the DC hero’s never go to the same level as the villains. They always try to find another way to defeat their foes in the end.he did it because he wanted to do something Marvel wouldn’t do. His justification, when he talked about Batman V Superman, was bullshit. There is an animated movie of Superman and Shazam teaming up against Black Adam. The movie ends with Shazam holding Adam by the neck ready to break it. Superman tells Shazam “Be stronger be good. If that was Henry Cavill, he be a hypocrite!! Superman fights for those who can’t fight. Snyder doesn’t understand that. Richard Donner did understand that. The people who made the Lois and Clark series that Dean Cain did understood how to do Superman right. Snyder only knows Jack and Shit. Jack left town.

[@virgogaming6488]

Rian's deconstruction of Luke also works more than Snyder's deconstruction of characters since hes already in an established universe of films as a revered hero.

[@phousefilms]

@@biguy617 Truth. With how Batman was in the DCEU, I was like "How are any of Batman's villains alive? He killed random thugs, but not Joker? Not Harley? Not Croc? How did they survive long enough to appear in Suicide Squad?

[@biguy617]

@@virgogaming6488 Rian only did what Kathleen Kennedy told him to do. Snyder added his own conservative politics to his Superman movie. He made Jonathan Kent give a fatherly talk to Clark that is the exact opposite of what Uncle Ben said to Peter Parker. Clark “what was I supposed to do let them die” JK “I don’t know maybe.” I understand why he said that. He was afraid of what would happen if the world found out he wasn’t human. What that also says about the responsibility these powers bring.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Out of curiosity, What are your thoughts about Arrowverse Superman, Specifically about the Superman & Lois TV Show?

[@DarkepyonX]

Best different take on Superman , and written and done better: Superman Red Son

[@Sosuke_Aizen2.o]

I love that movie

[@AceTheCap823]

I liked the fight with Zod, as for the destruction it was a bit much BUT, I feel like the destruction would’ve been warranted IF the bad guys were directing the fight towards the cities and Superman was trying to get away, the bad guys were the ones that purposely threw him around the city and through skyscrapers.…..not to mention Superman should’ve went out of his way to save way more pple his whole character is he’d rather die than not try and save someone….maybe make him use his super speed to save a bunch of pple before a building fell on them or something idk

[@navy0287]

@Erik Kemeey No he didn't. Zod took *SUPERMAN* into space. Watch the scene. Zod knocks Superman through a row of buildings. Then when superman tries to orient himself when he passes through the last building, Zod grabs Superman and drags him straight up into orbit. Superman throws Zod off of him while they are in orbit, and Zod has to dig his hands into the Wayne Tech satellite to keep from flying off into space. He then throws the satellite at Superman and flies through it for a sneak attack, Superman manages to catch Zod and starts punching the crap out of him while they freefall to Earth. Yes, I said freefall because there's no way in hell either of them are aiming for any location in particular; they are too busy trying to gain the upper hand in the fight. Despite the fact that the Earth's rotation would place them miles away from Metropolis (and possibly into a new city Zod could attack), they somehow end up falling back in Metropolis anyway. Superman is apparently winning at this point because he has a firm grip on Zod and is in an attack position while they fall into Metropolis and into the building prior to the family and the neck snap.

[@navy0287]

@Erik Kemeey Nope, it was Zod who took Superman into space. Watch the scene from 1:00 to about 1:22 It is just as I described the scene. Zod threw Superman through a row of buildings. Superman tries to orient himself after coming out of the last building. Zod suddenly grabs him and takes him straight up into space. Superman then flips him off and Zod grabs the satellite to keep from flying off into space. Here's the proof. www. youtube. com/watch?v=06Qm8cKJ-jo Take the spaces out of the link.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Okay, being as generous as possible... I suppose I see what they were going for, in theory, with this Superman. The idea of Superman being an alien by blood but raised by humans, and this movie being where he fully accepts Earth as his home and himself as Superman, defender of humanity and upholder of truth, justice, and the American Way. However, it fails horribly, for the reasons you laid out here (Plus, he feels bad about killing Zod, yet he had already accepted Krypton as gone? "Krypton had its chance" anyone?). And there are much better ways of telling this kind of "blood isn't everything" story, with much better characters to tell it. (edited for grammar tisms)

[@overlord6993]

The batman 2022 surprisingly acted more like superman than man of steel

[@marzero116]

It's hilarious how Zack Snyder and most of society nowadays has the same view of Superman as villains in the comic books do. Like Lex lex luthor or like the monologue of Bill from Kill Bill vol 2. They see the alien god and not the man. They think Clark is the mask and Superman is who he is when it's literally the exact opposite. Snyder literally thinks "You're livin' in a fuckin' dream world" if you like that classic hopeful inspirational Superman. Ironically these are the people who need that classic inspirational hopeful the most.

[@michealmahmoud6391]

I mean Clark can be the mask but it’s not because an alien good viewing human as weak. Birthright, All Star Superman, Richard Donner Superman,etc had Clark as the mask and he was still a hopeful and inspirational character

[@TheWizardGamez]

man of steel was garbage. it was so boring i started to sleep until the oil rig scene. and i thought, oh cool. fire. but man, the rest of the movie was so sleepy. we saw none of superman humanity. we saw 2 seconds of his childhood and that was it. we didn't see him being a good ol kansas boy. its like they forgot to write all of supermans lines. not 1 line, not 1 scene, the entire movie