Zain vs Mang0 - Melee Singles Top 24: Winners Quarters - The Big House 10 | Marth vs Fox

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@magictrader999
@magictrader999 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I was happy to see was people pointing out the poor seeding for this tournament BEFORE their favorite player lost or an upset occured. The critique of the seeding wasn't a knee jerk reaction to a certain match, it was just a response to TERRIBLE fucking seeding.
@jrcolonial98
@jrcolonial98 2 жыл бұрын
In kind of a messed up way, I’m happy mango beat Zain, hbox lost to amsa, leffen got upset twice, etc, just to vindicate the people who were complaining about the seeding. It feels like karma for whoever picked the seeds
@mochimoshi7599
@mochimoshi7599 2 жыл бұрын
for real. fire whoever did that seeding
@CTL
@CTL 2 жыл бұрын
Here's a real example of why tournaments should not keep strict seeding: Back in ~2010, MDVA tournaments was very commonly 1. Chu (ICs), 2. Chillin (Fox), 3. DoH (Peach). Obviously DoH had a very good chance of beating Chu but as "strict seeding" was enforced, Chillin would always be the one eliminating DoH and DoH would literally never have a single chance against Chu unless he beat Chillin. Chu and Chillin would also often split after meeting in GF after DoH was double eliminated by Chillin. A big part of the "seeding" this tourney was to make matchups you usually don't see, and it allows things like Wally requesting a lower seed to beat Zain in winners at Smashcon.
@ericgressman9502
@ericgressman9502 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrcolonial98 moky lost to the 1st and 2nd seed before making top 8
@shiesterjr
@shiesterjr 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrcolonial98 yeah, imagine seeding a torny and it ends up being one of the most hype tournaments ever. whoever seeded bighouse10 is the goat
@F0rger513
@F0rger513 2 жыл бұрын
Scar and Toph are forever the best caster duo. Toph is just so great with his ability to break things down on a technical level and Scar reads the flow of a match like a book, and together they hype off each other so much.
@DesTr069
@DesTr069 2 жыл бұрын
This seeding is absolutely nuts. Seeing this match outside of top 8 is crazy!!
@ukakiller
@ukakiller 2 жыл бұрын
Top 24 winner quarters with the 2 best in the world… whaaaat
@ezekieledwards7092
@ezekieledwards7092 2 жыл бұрын
Straight up should not have happend
@narhwallord6985
@narhwallord6985 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not something that should happen, but always a good match when it does
@Michael-hc2hp
@Michael-hc2hp 2 жыл бұрын
It's moments like this, where being a Mango fan and getting your heart broken over and over again, is worth it
@SergeantFive
@SergeantFive 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was a sick Winners Finals set!
@marquisekelly5431
@marquisekelly5431 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Flip-a-dip-dip
@Flip-a-dip-dip 2 жыл бұрын
Wait but it’s not winners fin- ooooooooohhhhh
@vapedragon983
@vapedragon983 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t get it someone help
@ziggy7569
@ziggy7569 2 жыл бұрын
@@vapedragon983 usually you would see these guys in finals
@Goreblender
@Goreblender 2 жыл бұрын
are they gonna talk about how insane mang0's movement out of CC is in this set, or the fact that he has grabbed about 10000 times when he normally grabs like 3 or 4 times in a set
@iamawin8272
@iamawin8272 2 жыл бұрын
Still evolving his game after 15 years
@Zoomscoping
@Zoomscoping 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe Zain lost to the 7th seed
@sotonamispams
@sotonamispams 2 жыл бұрын
He lost to a non-top 10 player. Zain washed???
@brycegriffin9271
@brycegriffin9271 2 жыл бұрын
@@sotonamispams Lol I forgot mang0 was ranked 11th in the summer rankings. Crazy that if he won TBH he would probably be 2nd right now and even having lost has a strong argument for top 3.
@magictrader999
@magictrader999 2 жыл бұрын
Mango's use of run in --> shield was incredible this set.
@tetermc
@tetermc 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0 is try harding to make a point about the seeding and I'm loving every minute of it.
@Rayb0rules
@Rayb0rules 2 жыл бұрын
Mango is playing out of his mind this tourney!!
@Lampaluile
@Lampaluile 2 жыл бұрын
2:53 actually a game winning laser lmao
@FoliumSakura
@FoliumSakura 2 жыл бұрын
nobody is appreciating that one besides scar there lmao
@eftorq
@eftorq 2 жыл бұрын
Mangos run and gun is so insane. He sneaks lasers in at moments you don't expect
@Gabriel-sd1oh
@Gabriel-sd1oh 2 жыл бұрын
the falco soul sneaking in
@noirlavender6409
@noirlavender6409 2 жыл бұрын
hearing the crownd going "mang0 mang0 mang0" is oddly cool
@33kappa1
@33kappa1 2 жыл бұрын
hear it so much in his streams it's surreal when they actually do it lmao
@DannEBae
@DannEBae 2 жыл бұрын
13:50 The movement from BOTH players right here is absolutely nuts.
@mykofalco
@mykofalco 2 жыл бұрын
Every tournament... Mango introduces a different unique playstyle and this one involves him throwing in lasers implemented into his combos. He may not have been 1st at this tournament, but he definitely showed huge potential with his flow, speed, and energy. You can definitely see it this time around. Great tournament all around and definitely amazing that Amsa won this one!
@ChainChomper42
@ChainChomper42 2 жыл бұрын
Scar knows how to give us them crazy eyes after the set 😳
@vapeshrimp5220
@vapeshrimp5220 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine getting upset by #11
@juanpablonunezfelix4727
@juanpablonunezfelix4727 2 жыл бұрын
Not 11th, 1st twice
@SplitSeoul
@SplitSeoul 2 жыл бұрын
@@juanpablonunezfelix4727 LMAO both are goated comments
@ShadowOfTheIdeal
@ShadowOfTheIdeal 2 жыл бұрын
Mango is extremely quick
@marttthew
@marttthew 2 жыл бұрын
MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO
@henryreturns1397
@henryreturns1397 2 жыл бұрын
Around 2020 and 2021 the Storyline was Mang0 vs Zain and it was usually on Winner finals and Grand Finals Panelist , seeders an TOs i dont know what they smoke to have these two at Winner Quarters when the set itself is literally a grand finals Considering that Mang0 , Hbox and Zain are the 3 players that are winning everything since Wavedash.
@AleksHugs
@AleksHugs 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever seeded this needs to be fired
@BlanBlan19901990
@BlanBlan19901990 2 жыл бұрын
If Zain hits that F-smash at 11:43, I honestly think he takes the set. That miss was huge, and shocking to see. Hope Zain doesn’t let that haunt him.
@10cesc4.
@10cesc4. 2 жыл бұрын
And that edge guard.
@sotonamispams
@sotonamispams 2 жыл бұрын
Zain lost twice on FD to mango as fox and then lost the second set by a frame or two, resulting in him losing the biggest prize pool of any smash event at its time. He's also been losing to Jmook but he reverse 3-0d him this tourney. Zain will be fine. What's the top of the summit without a few scars from your journey up there?
@kikewickens6324
@kikewickens6324 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this mang0 guy seems pretty good. Hopefully he'll break into that top 10 ranking soon!
@fullsend4976
@fullsend4976 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0 is schmooving this tournament. Big House always brings out the the best in Mang0 and he’s tryna prove his seeding was a mistake!!!
@wettuna1769
@wettuna1769 10 ай бұрын
11:40 this is the only time I have ever seen mango backthrow with fox for real. And it was a huge factor in deciding the set. I really hope we get this mango in 2024 the mango that really wants to win just hits different man. Like sometimes he tries his heart out and loses cuz that's just how it goes but man when he's willing to do "lame" stuff he's actually so much sicker to watch than when he stubbornly approaches too much and isn't willing to do stuff like that. He's still playing mad sick and so different than anyone else and you can just feel the fire. Luv his fox so much.
@jacobm7870
@jacobm7870 2 жыл бұрын
Big house went from apologizing to mang into apologizing for zain
@ramdamdam1402
@ramdamdam1402 2 жыл бұрын
What a way to start sunday ! People talk about 3-0 not telling the whole story when all the games are close, but it's the first time i've witnessed a game 5 not telling the whole story !
@Frank7489
@Frank7489 2 жыл бұрын
Very true, that was the most dominant 3-2 I’ve ever seen
@moooky52
@moooky52 2 жыл бұрын
mango's lasers have gotten fucking insane, he manages to fit them in every little bit of hitstun between combo hits
@ahppa
@ahppa 2 жыл бұрын
This isn't just any old pissed off... this is advanced pissed off
@phoenixflower1225
@phoenixflower1225 2 жыл бұрын
Actually most everyone in top play has figured out that if you avoid the up hit on ledge recovery from Marth there is a small window within which you can grab ledge faster than Marth can.... (Sheik and Fox Mains have figured this out). With Fox shine you can pretty much always guarantee that upon avoidance of said uphit on Marth recovery you can gimp Marth on his attempt to snap to ledge (aptly demonstrated in Mang0's 3 stock consecutive take from Zain's Marth)
@10cesc4.
@10cesc4. 2 жыл бұрын
I’m no melee fan but I do love zain and his marth. Sad to see him go out like that.
@joshstreet9634
@joshstreet9634 2 жыл бұрын
that was the most monstrous first game of melee I've seen in a while
@EightThumbsUp
@EightThumbsUp 2 жыл бұрын
10:29 mango finding this wavedash back shine into a grab here is actual insanity
@BaneOfXistence4
@BaneOfXistence4 2 жыл бұрын
4:18 Mango thought he was playing Falco for a sec.
@EmissaryOfSmeagol
@EmissaryOfSmeagol 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Zain fan, but Mang0's Fox really said "ok I pull up"
@alonsomanuelportilladuarte4691
@alonsomanuelportilladuarte4691 2 жыл бұрын
I feel so sad for Zain, he was failing a lot in things he's usually very consistent with :(
@jacobm7870
@jacobm7870 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like that’s been the trend for zain this year unfortunately, he’s been playing 10x more sloppy since the slippi era
@RadicalTadpoles1000
@RadicalTadpoles1000 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobm7870 LAN hittin
@dennisdunker8764
@dennisdunker8764 2 жыл бұрын
Got damn Mang0at looked insane
@ln8496
@ln8496 2 жыл бұрын
He literally hit zain with the “unplug your controller”
@Ezzekiel73
@Ezzekiel73 2 жыл бұрын
11:43 THE FUCKING TUMBLE FROM THE FIREFOX SHRUNK MANG0'S HURTBOX ENOUGH TO RETURN TO STAGE HOLY FUCKING SHIT
@LuMiSaDi
@LuMiSaDi 2 жыл бұрын
This is the part in matrix that Morbius says "Neo, he is starting to believe". Neo mode activating
@Marcusjnmc
@Marcusjnmc 2 жыл бұрын
even though it wasn't all complete , some of Zain's advantage strings & combos were just beautiful to watch
@peterkim8525
@peterkim8525 2 жыл бұрын
Melee is forever the sickest game
@andrezKZ
@andrezKZ 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful use of full hop in those last moments by Mang, great set
@TrillGates
@TrillGates 2 жыл бұрын
Scar Toph commentary 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
@Tiggy227
@Tiggy227 2 жыл бұрын
SEVENTH SEED MY ASS
@benjihuynh2970
@benjihuynh2970 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the seeding was bad. But I do think first and second place were the two best players this weekend in the correct order. 3-8 there's some mixing and matching, but in all, this tournament ended up pretty amazing
@jarbymedia371
@jarbymedia371 2 жыл бұрын
what a fucking tight performance by mang0
@FunAndInteractive
@FunAndInteractive 2 жыл бұрын
damn mang0's edgeguard success rate is insanely impressive but i'm honestly disappointed. toph said zain was playing out of his mind all day but he was full spaghetti this set. game 5 some of the sloppiest zain play i've seen in awhile
@shmatet
@shmatet 2 жыл бұрын
That's just cuz mang0 was playing too good
@tetermc
@tetermc 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0 messed up his mental in game 1.
@abrightershadow894
@abrightershadow894 2 жыл бұрын
THOU SHALL NOT SLEEP ON THE KID
@phoenixflower1225
@phoenixflower1225 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0 has adapted to Zain by prematurely executing up B to singe Zain on his attempt to gimp with a forward air when Fox is off stage. Another adaption is upon dash back immediate forward dash grab attempt by Zain Mang0 does a hop and back airs, thwarting the attempted Grab and also getting some % on the board (you can't z grab fully airborne characters in melee above a certain height w/ a Hitbox out)
@HawkSK
@HawkSK 2 жыл бұрын
Dude that first game was so crazy!
@JacksonDesjardins
@JacksonDesjardins 2 жыл бұрын
Mango Zain is the best matchup in melee history. And it’s not even close.
@dbrownlive7115
@dbrownlive7115 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0, you're a beast.
@EJGamer100
@EJGamer100 2 жыл бұрын
Mang0 was just better today. Good melee is back!
@ketphi1
@ketphi1 2 жыл бұрын
People said Zain is better than Mango jajsjs pls
@nuave
@nuave 2 жыл бұрын
wtf happened to mango, he's playing so sexy now mmm
@RetroEternal
@RetroEternal 2 жыл бұрын
He’s the GOAT wym what happened to him
@nuave
@nuave 2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroEternal you wouldn't get it
@RetroEternal
@RetroEternal 2 жыл бұрын
@@nuave woah good one Nuave 🤓
@uprightfoil348
@uprightfoil348 2 жыл бұрын
crowd is cheering like it was grands.
@bman420_
@bman420_ 11 ай бұрын
that wavedash @ 7:40 gets me every time
@shizzlenizzle27
@shizzlenizzle27 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe the 7th seed did this well against Zain 😮
@urallnoobs8943
@urallnoobs8943 2 жыл бұрын
Best player in the world loses a 60-40 matchup to 11th in the world 🤔🤔🤔
@Skapes11238
@Skapes11238 2 жыл бұрын
13 minutes, 5 games. We are witnessing the gameplay we always knew was possible. A shame it had to be in winners quarters. Bracket seeding is bullshit.
@Hyperion856
@Hyperion856 2 жыл бұрын
This at the very least should have been Winners Semis
@humble_ape
@humble_ape 2 жыл бұрын
That's my goat 🐐
@Greatermaxim
@Greatermaxim 2 жыл бұрын
Does Mango know Michael Jordan gets paid more to play a simpler game than him?
@Squirrel42300
@Squirrel42300 Жыл бұрын
Mangos fox moves like butter
@naudiatf2791
@naudiatf2791 Жыл бұрын
bro just add the scar/toph cam already. PLEASE
@pupusa9457
@pupusa9457 2 жыл бұрын
2:53 the taj laser
@fupalover
@fupalover 2 жыл бұрын
Zain Cody and Leffen all playing off today.
@TrevsTreehouse
@TrevsTreehouse 2 жыл бұрын
The mangle at 12:50 was crazy and Mango played sick but I think the result was more from Zain fumbling the bag. If Zain was on point it would have been last stock last hit.
@jasonmorton6857
@jasonmorton6857 2 жыл бұрын
Mangos going to win the tournament
@ethEr1c
@ethEr1c 2 жыл бұрын
That was a sick set.
@yahalloo6427
@yahalloo6427 2 жыл бұрын
Scar & toph unmatched fr
@nellismygirl
@nellismygirl 2 жыл бұрын
Nice seeding, i suppose it was completely free and that NOBODY was paid for it. Right?
@zunySSBM
@zunySSBM 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s goo!!!
@Swpb666
@Swpb666 2 жыл бұрын
Let's go!
@HispanicatthediscoMTG
@HispanicatthediscoMTG 2 жыл бұрын
Marth is losing to spacies again, melee is healing
@im_Spade_
@im_Spade_ 2 жыл бұрын
Are we calling him Zay-n or Za-n now? What's the concensus lol
@t_._.
@t_._. 2 жыл бұрын
They fucked up the seeding so bad let’s be real.
@Probasaur
@Probasaur 2 жыл бұрын
LET'S GO MANG0000000
@GuakH03
@GuakH03 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa is it me or did Tophs forehead become a monitor
@warmblanketsandsocks205
@warmblanketsandsocks205 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Mango is winning this tournament
@diegomo1413
@diegomo1413 2 жыл бұрын
Amsa: 😅
@VaffReverie
@VaffReverie 2 жыл бұрын
4:29
@jeromepowell1392
@jeromepowell1392 2 жыл бұрын
TAS
@RetroEternal
@RetroEternal 2 жыл бұрын
MANGOAT
@noirlavender6409
@noirlavender6409 2 жыл бұрын
mang0 playing like m2k with all the optimal lamer options, just hogging that ledge! he makes it look so sick tho
@hossdelgato6098
@hossdelgato6098 2 жыл бұрын
Great seeding ,,, Kek… the seeding is being made by muppets.
@maxsemmerlz
@maxsemmerlz 2 жыл бұрын
instant classic
@castrokobe24
@castrokobe24 2 жыл бұрын
The way my man edge guarded the best recoverer in the game 😮‍💨
@cross25011990
@cross25011990 2 жыл бұрын
LLM ♥=> Long live Melee
@tsoprano4891
@tsoprano4891 2 жыл бұрын
MANG0 > ZAIN DONT @ ME
@blompytv
@blompytv 2 жыл бұрын
let's go mang
@giorgiolombardo2165
@giorgiolombardo2165 2 жыл бұрын
Mangoat
@LordFartamor
@LordFartamor 2 жыл бұрын
mangoFan
@grandadmiralthrawn66
@grandadmiralthrawn66 2 жыл бұрын
bUt MaRtH-fOx Is 60-40!!!!11
@orendamusic7577
@orendamusic7577 2 жыл бұрын
Mango washed btw
@flaberjack6995
@flaberjack6995 2 жыл бұрын
PAYED ACTOR
@damienkun8786
@damienkun8786 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic. Mang0 lost to A Yoshi on his favorite counter pick Map. Yoshi's Story.
@PrimeEVA11
@PrimeEVA11 2 жыл бұрын
69th like PlupYUMYUM
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