Zain vs Mang0 - Melee Singles Top 24: Winners Quarters - The Big House 10 | Marth vs Fox

[@magictrader999]

One thing I was happy to see was people pointing out the poor seeding for this tournament BEFORE their favorite player lost or an upset occured. The critique of the seeding wasn't a knee jerk reaction to a certain match, it was just a response to TERRIBLE fucking seeding.

[@jrcolonial98]

In kind of a messed up way, I’m happy mango beat Zain, hbox lost to amsa, leffen got upset twice, etc, just to vindicate the people who were complaining about the seeding. It feels like karma for whoever picked the seeds

[@mochimoshi7599]

for real. fire whoever did that seeding

[@CTL]

Here's a real example of why tournaments should not keep strict seeding: Back in ~2010, MDVA tournaments was very commonly 1. Chu (ICs), 2. Chillin (Fox), 3. DoH (Peach). Obviously DoH had a very good chance of beating Chu but as "strict seeding" was enforced, Chillin would always be the one eliminating DoH and DoH would literally never have a single chance against Chu unless he beat Chillin. Chu and Chillin would also often split after meeting in GF after DoH was double eliminated by Chillin. A big part of the "seeding" this tourney was to make matchups you usually don't see, and it allows things like Wally requesting a lower seed to beat Zain in winners at Smashcon.

[@ericgressman9502]

@@jrcolonial98 moky lost to the 1st and 2nd seed before making top 8

[@shiesterjr]

@@jrcolonial98 yeah, imagine seeding a torny and it ends up being one of the most hype tournaments ever. whoever seeded bighouse10 is the goat

[@F0rger513]

Scar and Toph are forever the best caster duo. Toph is just so great with his ability to break things down on a technical level and Scar reads the flow of a match like a book, and together they hype off each other so much.

[@DesTr069]

This seeding is absolutely nuts. Seeing this match outside of top 8 is crazy!!

[@ukakiller]

Top 24 winner quarters with the 2 best in the world… whaaaat

[@ezekieledwards7092]

Straight up should not have happend

[@narhwallord6985]

Yeah, not something that should happen, but always a good match when it does

[@Michael-hc2hp]

It's moments like this, where being a Mango fan and getting your heart broken over and over again, is worth it

[@SergeantFive]

Wow that was a sick Winners Finals set!

[@marquisekelly5431]

Lmao

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Wait but it’s not winners fin- ooooooooohhhhh

[@vapedragon983]

I don’t get it someone help

[@ziggy7569]

@@vapedragon983 usually you would see these guys in finals

[@Goreblender]

are they gonna talk about how insane mang0's movement out of CC is in this set, or the fact that he has grabbed about 10000 times when he normally grabs like 3 or 4 times in a set

[@iamawin8272]

Still evolving his game after 15 years

[@Zoomscoping]

Can’t believe Zain lost to the 7th seed

[@sotonamispams]

He lost to a non-top 10 player. Zain washed???

[@brycegriffin9271]

@@sotonamispams Lol I forgot mang0 was ranked 11th in the summer rankings. Crazy that if he won TBH he would probably be 2nd right now and even having lost has a strong argument for top 3.

[@magictrader999]

Mango's use of run in --> shield was incredible this set.

[@tetermc]

Mang0 is try harding to make a point about the seeding and I'm loving every minute of it.

[@Rayb0rules]

Mango is playing out of his mind this tourney!!

[@Lampaluile]

2:53 actually a game winning laser lmao

[@FoliumSakura]

nobody is appreciating that one besides scar there lmao

[@eftorq]

Mangos run and gun is so insane. He sneaks lasers in at moments you don't expect

[@Gabriel-sd1oh]

the falco soul sneaking in

[@noirlavender6409]

hearing the crownd going "mang0 mang0 mang0" is oddly cool

[@33kappa1]

hear it so much in his streams it's surreal when they actually do it lmao

[@DannEBae]

13:50 The movement from BOTH players right here is absolutely nuts.

[@mykofalco]

Every tournament... Mango introduces a different unique playstyle and this one involves him throwing in lasers implemented into his combos. He may not have been 1st at this tournament, but he definitely showed huge potential with his flow, speed, and energy. You can definitely see it this time around. Great tournament all around and definitely amazing that Amsa won this one!

[@ChainChomper42]

Scar knows how to give us them crazy eyes after the set 😳

[@vapeshrimp5220]

Imagine getting upset by #11

[@juanpablonunezfelix4727]

Not 11th, 1st twice

[@SplitSeoul]

@@juanpablonunezfelix4727 LMAO both are goated comments

[@ShadowOfTheIdeal]

Mango is extremely quick

[@marttthew]

MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO

[@henryreturns1397]

Around 2020 and 2021 the Storyline was Mang0 vs Zain and it was usually on Winner finals and Grand Finals Panelist , seeders an TOs i dont know what they smoke to have these two at Winner Quarters when the set itself is literally a grand finals Considering that Mang0 , Hbox and Zain are the 3 players that are winning everything since Wavedash.

[@AleksHugs]

Whoever seeded this needs to be fired

[@BlanBlan19901990]

If Zain hits that F-smash at 11:43, I honestly think he takes the set. That miss was huge, and shocking to see. Hope Zain doesn’t let that haunt him.

[@10cesc4.]

And that edge guard.

[@sotonamispams]

Zain lost twice on FD to mango as fox and then lost the second set by a frame or two, resulting in him losing the biggest prize pool of any smash event at its time. He's also been losing to Jmook but he reverse 3-0d him this tourney. Zain will be fine. What's the top of the summit without a few scars from your journey up there?

[@kikewickens6324]

Wow this mang0 guy seems pretty good. Hopefully he'll break into that top 10 ranking soon!

[@fullsend4976]

Mang0 is schmooving this tournament. Big House always brings out the the best in Mang0 and he’s tryna prove his seeding was a mistake!!!

[@wettuna1769]

11:40 this is the only time I have ever seen mango backthrow with fox for real. And it was a huge factor in deciding the set. I really hope we get this mango in 2024 the mango that really wants to win just hits different man. Like sometimes he tries his heart out and loses cuz that's just how it goes but man when he's willing to do "lame" stuff he's actually so much sicker to watch than when he stubbornly approaches too much and isn't willing to do stuff like that. He's still playing mad sick and so different than anyone else and you can just feel the fire. Luv his fox so much.

[@jacobm7870]

Big house went from apologizing to mang into apologizing for zain

[@ramdamdam1402]

What a way to start sunday ! People talk about 3-0 not telling the whole story when all the games are close, but it's the first time i've witnessed a game 5 not telling the whole story !

[@Frank7489]

Very true, that was the most dominant 3-2 I’ve ever seen

[@moooky52]

mango's lasers have gotten fucking insane, he manages to fit them in every little bit of hitstun between combo hits

[@ahppa]

This isn't just any old pissed off... this is advanced pissed off

[@phoenixflower1225]

Actually most everyone in top play has figured out that if you avoid the up hit on ledge recovery from Marth there is a small window within which you can grab ledge faster than Marth can.... (Sheik and Fox Mains have figured this out). With Fox shine you can pretty much always guarantee that upon avoidance of said uphit on Marth recovery you can gimp Marth on his attempt to snap to ledge (aptly demonstrated in Mang0's 3 stock consecutive take from Zain's Marth)

[@10cesc4.]

I’m no melee fan but I do love zain and his marth. Sad to see him go out like that.

[@joshstreet9634]

that was the most monstrous first game of melee I've seen in a while

[@EightThumbsUp]

10:29 mango finding this wavedash back shine into a grab here is actual insanity

[@BaneOfXistence4]

4:18 Mango thought he was playing Falco for a sec.

[@EmissaryOfSmeagol]

I'm a Zain fan, but Mang0's Fox really said "ok I pull up"

[@alonsomanuelportilladuarte4691]

I feel so sad for Zain, he was failing a lot in things he's usually very consistent with :(

[@jacobm7870]

I feel like that’s been the trend for zain this year unfortunately, he’s been playing 10x more sloppy since the slippi era

[@RadicalTadpoles1000]

@@jacobm7870 LAN hittin

[@dennisdunker8764]

Got damn Mang0at looked insane

[@ln8496]

He literally hit zain with the “unplug your controller”

[@Ezzekiel73]

11:43 THE FUCKING TUMBLE FROM THE FIREFOX SHRUNK MANG0'S HURTBOX ENOUGH TO RETURN TO STAGE HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[@LuMiSaDi]

This is the part in matrix that Morbius says "Neo, he is starting to believe". Neo mode activating

[@Marcusjnmc]

even though it wasn't all complete , some of Zain's advantage strings & combos were just beautiful to watch

[@peterkim8525]

Melee is forever the sickest game

[@andrezKZ]

Beautiful use of full hop in those last moments by Mang, great set

[@TrillGates]

Scar Toph commentary 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@Tiggy227]

SEVENTH SEED MY ASS

[@benjihuynh2970]

Yes the seeding was bad. But I do think first and second place were the two best players this weekend in the correct order. 3-8 there's some mixing and matching, but in all, this tournament ended up pretty amazing

[@jarbymedia371]

what a fucking tight performance by mang0

[@FunAndInteractive]

damn mang0's edgeguard success rate is insanely impressive but i'm honestly disappointed. toph said zain was playing out of his mind all day but he was full spaghetti this set. game 5 some of the sloppiest zain play i've seen in awhile

[@shmatet]

That's just cuz mang0 was playing too good

[@tetermc]

Mang0 messed up his mental in game 1.

[@abrightershadow894]

THOU SHALL NOT SLEEP ON THE KID

[@phoenixflower1225]

Mang0 has adapted to Zain by prematurely executing up B to singe Zain on his attempt to gimp with a forward air when Fox is off stage. Another adaption is upon dash back immediate forward dash grab attempt by Zain Mang0 does a hop and back airs, thwarting the attempted Grab and also getting some % on the board (you can't z grab fully airborne characters in melee above a certain height w/ a Hitbox out)

[@HawkSK]

Dude that first game was so crazy!

[@JacksonDesjardins]

Mango Zain is the best matchup in melee history. And it’s not even close.

[@dbrownlive7115]

Mang0, you're a beast.

[@EJGamer100]

Mang0 was just better today. Good melee is back!

[@ketphi1]

People said Zain is better than Mango jajsjs pls

[@nuave]

wtf happened to mango, he's playing so sexy now mmm

[@RetroEternal]

He’s the GOAT wym what happened to him

[@nuave]

@@RetroEternal you wouldn't get it

[@RetroEternal]

@@nuave woah good one Nuave 🤓

[@uprightfoil348]

crowd is cheering like it was grands.

[@bman420_]

that wavedash @ 7:40 gets me every time

[@shizzlenizzle27]

I can’t believe the 7th seed did this well against Zain 😮

[@urallnoobs8943]

Best player in the world loses a 60-40 matchup to 11th in the world 🤔🤔🤔

[@Skapes11238]

13 minutes, 5 games. We are witnessing the gameplay we always knew was possible. A shame it had to be in winners quarters. Bracket seeding is bullshit.

[@Hyperion856]

This at the very least should have been Winners Semis

[@humble_ape]

That's my goat 🐐

[@Greatermaxim]

Does Mango know Michael Jordan gets paid more to play a simpler game than him?

[@Squirrel42300]

Mangos fox moves like butter

[@naudiatf2791]

bro just add the scar/toph cam already. PLEASE

[@pupusa9457]

2:53 the taj laser

[@fupalover]

Zain Cody and Leffen all playing off today.

[@TrevsTreehouse]

The mangle at 12:50 was crazy and Mango played sick but I think the result was more from Zain fumbling the bag. If Zain was on point it would have been last stock last hit.

[@jasonmorton6857]

Mangos going to win the tournament

[@ethEr1c]

That was a sick set.

[@yahalloo6427]

Scar & toph unmatched fr

[@nellismygirl]

Nice seeding, i suppose it was completely free and that NOBODY was paid for it. Right?

[@zunySSBM]

Let’s goo!!!

[@Swpb666]

Let's go!

[@HispanicatthediscoMTG]

Marth is losing to spacies again, melee is healing

[@im_Spade_]

Are we calling him Zay-n or Za-n now? What's the concensus lol

[@t_._.]

They fucked up the seeding so bad let’s be real.

[@Probasaur]

LET'S GO MANG0000000

[@GuakH03]

Whoa is it me or did Tophs forehead become a monitor

[@warmblanketsandsocks205]

Yeah, Mango is winning this tournament

[@diegomo1413]

Amsa: 😅

[@VaffReverie]

4:29

[@jeromepowell1392]

TAS

[@RetroEternal]

MANGOAT

[@noirlavender6409]

mang0 playing like m2k with all the optimal lamer options, just hogging that ledge! he makes it look so sick tho

[@hossdelgato6098]

Great seeding ,,, Kek… the seeding is being made by muppets.

[@maxsemmerlz]

instant classic

[@castrokobe24]

The way my man edge guarded the best recoverer in the game 😮‍💨

[@cross25011990]

LLM ♥=> Long live Melee

[@tsoprano4891]

MANG0 > ZAIN DONT @ ME

[@blompytv]

let's go mang

[@giorgiolombardo2165]

Mangoat

[@LordFartamor]

mangoFan

[@grandadmiralthrawn66]

bUt MaRtH-fOx Is 60-40!!!!11

[@orendamusic7577]

Mango washed btw

[@flaberjack6995]

PAYED ACTOR

[@damienkun8786]

Ironic. Mang0 lost to A Yoshi on his favorite counter pick Map. Yoshi's Story.

[@PrimeEVA11]

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