Zain vs Mang0 - Winners Final: Top 8 Melee Singles - Genesis 7 | Marth vs Falco

[@ThePi314Man]

"I'm never losing to Zain again!" Now that's the Mango

[@bladefox5082]

Oh boy did he lose to Zain again

[@roy8749]

@@bladefox5082 ...

[@bladefox5082]

@@roy8749 that was before ss11 lol

[@Ruyeghu2]

@@roy8749 ...

[@Eis7]

Oh boy......

[@sageosaka]

The very end of that last stock was so beautiful. Zain went full agro mode and shut down every recovery option falco had. Nothing falco did could have saved him. If you watch after those 3 jabs... He even runs off the stage to cover any further potential recovery. Text book option coverage.

[@justfetus]

this is SUCH a great match. Would've loved to see a rematch in the grand finals.

[@MangoTHC]

Zain looks so intimidating to play. Maybe most intimidating player today

[@haydonc5256]

Acorn 15 I swear everytime someone beats Zain, they pop off super hard. Zain really makes them work for it.

[@MangoTHC]

From Maui lmao fr

[@lukerose4166]

From Maui He’s like a Marth playing Armada

[@blakeswanson1322]

@@MangoTHC no lol how did mango take any of armadas style

[@Jboyhern629]

Zain with the mogul moves sweatshirt

[@harb1ng3r82]

It’s his first time ever wearing it too, otherwise the logo would have come off by now.

[@Jboyhern629]

@@harb1ng3r82 lmfao

[@yusuke2468]

7:24 that mangle though

[@CheapShotFail]

As hype as Mango - Leffen is, I think Mango - Zain is starting to be my favorite matchup in the game. These sets here and at Big House were insane.

[@ThatWolfArrow]

I agree. Personally, I'd also throw in Zain/Hbox. Seeing two patient players with spacing oriented characters is super nerve racking but also super fascinating.

[@CheapShotFail]

@@ThatWolfArrow Agree completely. Ever since Zain has started taking sets off of Hbox he's refined the matchup a ton for Marth and it's amazing to watch.

[@Dee_micl]

Rewatching this 2 years later. I agree

[@SYao99]

There were more powershields in this game than I've ever seen in my life

[@JoshT4life]

You should see him vs samus

[@KenShinta174]

Come on no one is going to talk about this 16:45 ? That’s the craziest and most amazing play I have ever seen

[@neilw5541]

Somebody sponsor this Zain guy please

[@jordanadams7129]

Neil W “This zain guy” He is top 10 in the world put some respec on his name

[@raheshramesh413]

Jordan Adams looking more like top 5 recently

[@michaelcorser4350]

@@raheshramesh413 Looking more top 3 to me.

[@pretzel_aksmash353]

He's very good with blue haired sword guy

[@Wouldbutnaw]

Man if only he was sponsored by a 5'2 man who is a round 1 pools commentator

[@PKWinning07]

I feel like the set going game 5 actually made it a bigger win for Zain, just to show that he can clutch these out

[@matthewaitkenfilms9477]

This set is insane, theyre both incredible!

[@numbby1140]

honestly, this is one of the best commentated sets i've ever watched in melee. so much info on the matchup

[@ADavidJohnson]

They’re so good at informing you about the matchup, the narrative around it, and the emotional flow of the match It’s really incredible how well Scar and Toph commentate, especially together

[@speedyhoneybear]

WOW! Sets like these make me wish i was fast enough to pick up melee again. Zain is so fun to watch!

[@falco830]

Remember PC Chris vs Ken... Now it’s history repeating itself at a much higher level...

[@plannedtuna8293]

That ain’t falco

[@Itsssmatt_]

PlannedTuna wombo combo

[@TheTechnopider]

16:13 that's the most melee shit I've ever seen

[@TrogDH]

16:11 is one of the coolest, flashiest interactions in melee history

[@CR_Castle]

"He might be playing what I'm saying!" one of my favorite scar lines

[@MonjeFuti]

That was inZain

[@nesspreciado1090]

just get out

[@darkstar4450]

Eww

[@Lucas-zb9vt]

Bruh

[@MarquezVincent]

4:25 This guys it literally is only saying "Yeah" xD

[@dmitriivanov3439]

Yeah

[@shadowgaleshale9218]

@@dmitriivanov3439 yeah

[@Gr8saiyaman88]

6:20 “I love the Lord” - Bobby Scar

[@shaaktee1941]

4:08 mang0 is secretly drinking beer.

[@TheObicobiHD]

What an *AMAZING* set, woow that last match was insane!! Zain!! Zain's Marth living after covering all of Falco's options 😭💖 GGs Mang0!! He played so very well 👏

[@AceVenturaWhenNatureCalls]

3:53 - 4:09 LOL

[@ejcandrin]

Falco isn't top tier though

[@sadied0g]

Scar says Zain is new to genesis top 8. He really never got top 8 before, and wins it the first time he does? DAMN

[@Oscar797]

Falco vs Marth is an awesome matchup. Between these 2 it’s even better. What a sick set

[@oldtownscouts3712]

It's funny after such an intense, technical, god level set it ends with a simple jab. A button for the win.

[@andrewkibler9384]

Mango threw it away with the side bs at the end

[@100mangroper]

there is never a right recovery, he lost neutral to get put in those situations, nothing mattered after that point

[@sageosaka]

@@100mangroper yep. Zain covered literally every option falco had. Nothing mango could have done. If you watch after those jabs, Zain even runs off the stage to cover a potential up-b from mango. Literally perfect option coverage from Zain.

[@Skelen]

2020 this game still rockin!! Love it and the people!! Let's keep the love flowin with some trash talk 😁👍

[@OrlotPiuri]

Mango vs Zain is the new mango vs leffen

[@giantclaw138]

This is by far my favorite Jojo episode

[@benji417]

Mang0 wishes he had Zain's Mogul Moves.

[@malkavian6275]

The post-game stats are SO SICK

[@maxgurman633]

"Is using forward B a new idea?" No, thats bobby big ballz

[@NiteCyper]

Using it to escape to/edge cancel on top platform, more specifically. Mango uses it several times in this run at Genesis. No, it's not new but it is niche. I personally associate it most with Axe, but that might be more because of Pikachu tech: Quick Attack from ground level to edge cancel on top platform.

[@Snowballsage]

5:42 I don’t play melee but even I could tell that he was dead once he double jumped

[@NintenJoe]

This was over a year ago :(

[@linebeck1381]

I can’t help but laugh every time I see Zain in the Mogul Moves hoodie.

[@hungryluma27]

THAT OFF STAGE KILL ZAIN GOT WITH THE LOW EDGE GUARD WAS THE SICKEST THING IVE EVER SEEN

[@spaarkk6502]

this was the real grand finals

[@quesote20]

This is the pinnacle of Marth - Falco

[@Goreblender]

it's mandatory that every time someone hits with multiple hit of falco fair, the commentators talk about how much damage it does

[@F0rger513]

Boy the Blur hate is real to extend this long in Melee lol

[@areebmasoodi8932]

Haha facts. Why the hate on him I don't understand

[@Rookums]

When mango hit the phantom back air in game three it was all over.

[@eelllliiootttt]

7:34 what is a phantom

[@DarkxNemesis]

EJ Maggs When the game doesnt register a hit connecting but still makes the sound effect and such. Like a phantom rest from a puff where it makes the loud “clank” but the player doesnt go anywhere and puff falls asleep giving the player a free punish

[@saraskyline8331]

It happens when you're a few frames off of a hit

[@Delajoyason]

To be specific it’s when you’re a pixel off your hit, so it’s the in between of actually landing your hit and missing. That’s why Toph calls it bonus damage but there’s no knock back

[@Mallwan]

one of the bests sets for sure

[@Noahtheorigianl]

production value so highhhh

[@hmcglouf]

That was such a great set

[@0Enigmatic0]

I fucking knew Zain would be best in the world. The one summit a while ago where he was getting some crazy pseudo chain grab di mixups I knew he would lab his way to number 1. Now it's how long his reign will be

[@anomonomity]

for those wondering, i’m pretty sure if you get hit out of up B without using your jump you lose your double jump

[@Whitsoxrule1]

Zain taking mangos last stock to close out game 2 was nasty

[@matthewaitkenfilms9477]

And zain gies on to win it all, zain is insane

[@eddiestilll]

marth vs falco never gets old!! :)

[@noodlespwn42]

@16:55 why did he do that

[@gonzo_o_o]

Yeah that was the set, I think. In that position, Mango should have hunkered down in the pit and absolutely refused to get routed from there. Instead he put himself in a spot to get launched by Zain and ultimately KO'd

[@falco830]

Choo Choo ALL ABORD THE ZAIN TRAIN!!!

[@chuckwellington3307]

Melee is so much more exciting than Ultimate tbh. I can't stand Fox for the love of it, but I'd lie if I said the games aren't super exciting to watch at least. People can actually go off-stage and secure kills in this game, something they stopped giving a shit about after Brawl.

[@oldtownscouts3712]

There's plenty of offstage kills in Ultimate on a ton of the cast the problem is a lot of the characters that are good in that game are so difficult and risky to go off stage against that it's not worth it when ledge trapping is safer and often more rewarding. I agree melee is more exciting to watch overall, but LAN mkLeo is incredibly entertaining in Ultimate IMO, along with a dozen or so other top players. Camp-ridden defensive gameplay has dominated the past three smash games for sure however.

[@JoshT4life]

Zain the new god

[@RMahna94]

Zain capitalizing on Mang0 being Mang0. Good ass set.

[@aidenhastings6341]

They didn’t know up B eats your double jump?

[@foxy2348]

FD BAN?

[@chanegun]

Praying this is grand finals at G8

[@nathaniel5956]

17:53

[@Mr.Monky420]

You think Zain has the potential to be the next Ken or is this game too crowded with too many Gods that all keep winning tournaments decently evenly enough to where Zain could even consistently hold a reign?

[@sageosaka]

Zain is really starting to come into his own as far as consistency goes. During his rise in '17 and '18 he had some really high peaks but definitely still struggled with consistency... And in '19 kinda seemed like he hit a wall or plateau as people started to figure him out... But at the end of 19 and starting here in 2020 he seems like he's starting to get a lock on being consistently great.

[@chrisp2757]

It’s all about the Marth. He jabs so fast and covers so much real estate with the sword. Then turns on the power with a flick of the wrist. I think it’s incredible that Marth hasn’t been more widely used.

[@shiv604]

People complaining about PS, yet no one says jack shit about FD lmao

[@madridaburto]

Fucking amazing!!!!!lets goooooo

[@thor10001]

I miss melee.

[@67254215415413]

16:26 and Scar acts like Alex' impression of him isn't spot on

[@ForrestBreeze]

where was m2k in this tourney?

[@NintenJoe]

M2k doesn't enter melee anymore, instead focusing on his book

[@haydonc5256]

All of the Mango fans in the comments making excuses for Mango losing, it’s really annoying. Zain won fair and square, Zain was the better player this set.

[@XERX_740]

hoping for the rematch genesis 8

[@kennyfernandez2866]

How are the Falco lasers being returned by Marth's shielding?

[@jjrambles683]

It's a tech called power shielding. It basically turns your shield into a reflector if you can time it right.

[@kennyfernandez2866]

@@jjrambles683 Damn. Didn't know. With any projectile?

[@jjrambles683]

@@kennyfernandez2866 yep, you see it a lot against falcos cause he's one of the few top tiers, aside from peach, that can projectile camp.

[@emperorlokire7648]

JJ Rambles I just wish this was in ultimate.

[@jjrambles683]

@@emperorlokire7648 honestly yeah, it would change the meta so drastically if projectile characters just couldn't spam because their weapons would just be reflected back at them and would make the game much faster paced

[@jetstreamattackhirot]

17:45 What music?

[@Granetdud]

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[@jetstreamattackhirot]

Granetdud thank you

[@noodletribunal9793]

10:35 "i think 'they' was him" XD

[@178laaleros]

And mango on his twitch stream said zain is never going to beat him alright buddy keep saying that

[@saraskyline8331]

nick knickle when did he say that?

[@bluepeacemaker]

It feels like Mango is the better player, however Zain's punish game is something else and can get a stock out of each punish, it seems. That must be scary to play against

[@rpenguin12345]

what shoes? were at home now and i think he's wearing socks!

[@darkbatu]

this is epic.

[@pudgeypig3521]

I SEE ZAIN REPPING THAT MOGUL MOVES. LUDWIG.GG FELLAS

[@nathanlabrin2392]

Why are they playing on those old TVs?

[@yomommamonkey]

Nathan Labrynth can’t tell if your joking lol. It reduces lag time.

[@nathanlabrin2392]

Eden Shorrocks Alr cool thank you

[@ChrisTomatoPie]

@@yomommamonkey what lag are you talking about? im just curios, too. its a LAN event and dont modern monitors have less reaction time?

[@sageosaka]

@@ChrisTomatoPie if played on a PC and emulator that was set up to actually run at higher response times.. then yes but this is a Nintendo sanctioned event and that wouldn't be allowed.

[@negativesplits06]

@@sageosaka I’ve been playing Melee on a plasma TV, which does have a little bit of lag. Now it’s a bitch trying to get used to playing Melee on Dolphin since it doesn’t have that lag.

[@cross25011990]

it would be so AMAZING , if another stage would be come in neutral.. 5 are not a lot and battlefield / or pokemon stadium partly sucks

[@noahbaden90]

Yeah, Nintendo should really patch in more stages. I'm starting to think they've stopped supporting Melee.

[@chadchadwick3401]

Huh? Battlefield is like the best stage lol

[@The_Secure_Juan]

Commenting 101 commentator 1: when Zain attacks ...... etc commentator 2: yeah commentator 1: and when Mango attacks this way you always see the...... commentator 2: yeah commentator 1: shout out to our sponsor WATER! Stay hydrated kids! commentator 2: yeah

[@apaul7502]

i wonder if people feel bad beating mango. mango is who most people want to win, so whoever beats him knows that theyre ruining a lot of peoples days

[@il100374]

played a lil sloppy and tooo aggressive at times. still a dope set

[@omfgacceptmyname]

geniseae

[@MangoTHC]

The pee pee forward air

[@mdigregorio15]

Mango land

[@KittSpiken]

What the hell is Scar wearing and how is it KILLING the game?

[@KG66610]

Mango loses because of Stadium transformation, yikes...

[@mamonsin]

I mean Zain was all over him before the transformation happened

[@sageosaka]

You can tell Zain was down to wait it out.... Mango is the one that rushed in and got punished for it.

[@MasterNinjaXz]

Zain is playing out if his mind, but Mango shouldve won. The Mr Smith's were getting scared bro, he was turning it on so fucking hard towards the end, but had a true Mango ending, choked off a reflected laser and missed waveshine.

[@iaimen865]

Nooo marth winning is always sad...

[@MangoTHC]

Spoilers

[@tomcruise7481]

As a Marth main Fuck you.

[@bluepeacemaker]

No, dude. ICs winning is usually the saddest thing in Melee

[@iaimen865]

@@MangoTHC yes but salt

[@MangoTHC]

I Aimen nah you salt. bic boi

[@Michael-cg5qn]

People still play this game? Golly they gotta move on cause there is literally a new smash bros game and all the characters don't play the same or the same characters get picked all the fucking time