Pandemic Fatigue | A Doctor Explains

Cases rising, news orgs banging the drums of doom, yet Americans seem to be throwing up their hands. Here's what's up with #pandemicfatigue, LIVE.
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[@samanthanewton1340]

I still take the virus seriously, but I am done being afraid of it.

[@karenkaren3189]

Again, you don’t have to be afraid, just alert and cautious. I needed a new laptop, so I went to my local Apple Store in a large suburban mall. Yes, I could have ordered it online but I needed an outing for my mental health. I also live in a state that was well managed by our ( Republican) Governor since the early days of the pandemic. Our state closed down early, then reopened slowly and carefully over the summer. We also have had a mask mandate since late April. Everyone just wears their masks, and practices social distancing. No big drama. The Apple Store of course had everything totally together. Scheduled appointments only, temperature checks, good ventilation, frequent cleaning etc. I knew which laptop I wanted, so I was in and out in less than twenty minutes. ( now I have to set the dang thing up though😉). My point is that until we reach herd immunity by a combination of natural infection and vaccination, this is just how things are going to be. No need to cower in your home, but also it’s silly to congregate unmasked, in crowds or enclosed spaces. I do think that schools should be as open as possible. My state has hybrid learning, for instance. ❤️🙏🇺🇸🙏❤️

[@joshm60]

My approach to the virus has always been similar to road safety: I take it seriously to minimize my odds of getting hurt, but that doesn't mean I'm terrified. Personally, I get a bit angry when people who are against masks (and other reasonable mitigation measures) suggest that taking the virus seriously equates to being filled with fear. Wearing a mask and staying at least 6 feet from others (when possible) is no more about fear than wearing a seatbelt and not going 30+ over the speed limit is about fear.

[@KatAnne17]

Same.

[@sandylewis8897]

Agreed!

[@jrpacer6355]

I feel the same way no more I limit my on the news it's all bad

[@Stentordoc]

Unbelievable that you did this in one take. Well done, ZDogg!!

[@armynurse1510]

ER Nurse here. Sure appreciate you pulling out the details of both viewpoints and for encouraging discussion. Currently deployed and am locked down on post...and am seeing how the "pandemic fatigue" is real and negatively effecting fellow Service Members. Keep it up, Z!

[@ZDoggMD]

Thank you for your service 🙏

[@jenniferlego4221]

Are you seeing an uptick in domestic abuse this year? "I heard . . ."

[@armynurse1510]

@@jenniferlego4221 Being that im deployed, there's no families here, so DV not so much a thing here....but with depression in general, ETOH use is going to increase. So I can only assume DV is rising😪

[@cindybogart6062]

@@armynurse1510 please take care of you💕

[@shannonrodriguez8165]

@@jenniferlego4221 my husband is a first responder and they have seen an increase in DV calls since the start of the lockdowns.

[@Tabbyhasbees]

I think part of my fatigue comes from being in the middle. I am not convinced masks work (I wear mine of course, on the chance they do), and I know COVID is real and really kills people and not just old and weak people. But at the same time I see so many people in fear bubbles where they are getting downright violent in their distrust of other people. I get both sides, but being in the middle where one side thinks I"m reckless because I don't sanitize my groceries and don't wear a mask when I'm alone in a park on a hike, and the other side thinks I'm a 'cuck' or whatever because I tell them that it is real and worse than the flu...that's the source of my exhaustion and isolation. I feel like the only person in the middle sometimes and get hate from both sides. It'd be so easy to fall to one side or the other where I'd have allies and friends....

[@seekingserenity1902]

There are some of us in the middle, not enough.

[@shannonrodriguez8165]

Tabby, I am totally with you. I too am not convinced on the masks, but I wear it - not when I am outside unless I can’t properly distance. This whole thing has been exhausting and the amount of people yelling and screaming across both sides is disheartening and frustrating. It’s hard to be somewhere in the middle. I’m with you though!

[@387033]

Masks work. Just ask doctors snd nurses who come back 7 months day after day to loved ones. Those who take this seriosly have every right. This is a new cold war and designed malady for which no medicine has done anything. Dexametasone reduced mortality 2 percent. Thats best we got. So in my mind there is no middle. Either your drinkin kool aide or doing your best not to. If someone feels better to clear shoes and not open mail for 2 days they are entitled to it. Who is not entitled is profit obsessed conman and mentally ill individual treating us as disposables. And to be in the middle... i saw no middle in racism. In nationalism. In chauvinism. And no middle road in crooked elections or capitalism gifted to China by elites. If you find yourself in the middle it means it did not touch you yet. But once it does remember what we discussed here.

[@joshuanesbit]

@@seekingserenity1902 both of those sides aren’t right in the head ... ignore them!

[@adrianacortez9064]

I don’t go on my hikes anymore because I’m discouraged by the mask wearing. I don’t mind people not wearing masks that are 20 feet away from me and I see people calling people out for not wearing one. It’s childish I feel that if you have space to avoid close contact you’re fine. If you get in someone’s face about it it depletes the purpose

[@briannawerket9222]

Pandemic Fatigue. Story of my life. The worst part is that I simply don't see if/when we'll ever be able to do some of the things that have made life worth living ever again. I simply don't see when life will be worth living again. If all I'm ever going to do for the rest of my life is sit and home, I don't see that being an existence worth living.

[@conservativemom12]

Trying so hard to not die that life becomes a mere existence 😭 I don't see a way out either.

[@karenkaren3189]

I feel for you. I experience some of the same feelings. I try to stay busy, get out as much as I can ( like taking a four mile walk each day). Practice yoga every morning, talk with friends online, by phone and text. I just retired so my plans were disrupted because I was going to do volunteer work and travel. However I read a lot, try to practice gratitude for what I do have and what I can do. At some point this will be under control. In the meantime I am thankful.

[@Docinaplane]

About masks, I believe they can be helpful however, when I watch people wearing masks, as a surgeon, I'd estimate 2/3rd of them have no idea how to wear them properly to get the result they want.

[@leslieverlayne1810]

Ģotta love the surgical masks, that I remember us scraping up wherever you can find any... meanwhile, cue 3/4 of those I see out, nose out and everything. 💥, excessive... talk about waste and abuse. If we're going to mandate masks, the least we can do is reach them how to wear one.

[@leslieverlayne1810]

re: mental health.. yes, usually I work in orthopedic surgery. When it was temporarily In effect, I had previously, before becoming a CRNA, was a PMHNP, and 1000% saw the massive effect on Behavioral Health. So, I began to see patients in that sector. By far, the destruction caused by this; by whatever means related to this... is terrible and in my view, at least in my world, I have seen utter destruction and despair, having lost everything. I believe it! I felt i had to do this for free it was so needed. I can't even imagine ( I, for obvious reasons, couldn't work and was (d/t the necessity), was offering counseling that were required... now I'm in despair... and the poor kids! (My daughter happens to be a senior this year, who's missing what, to a 17 yo girl, is so very important. Especially for her, a USA VB JR player who was in line to receive her D1 and academic scholarship offer in April/May. I cannot even imagine, it's left me utterly dismayed. Because I am at such a high risk (young, breast cancer in remission (but led to crappy immune resistance....auto immune dx, hx of PE, Yada yada). Most of all.... why, with all the intelligent folks we have; can we not all put our heads abs hearts together, for each other. Its wreaking havoc when we can come together as one..

[@swamptiger]

+1 Fellow surgeon here. I'd estimate that way more than 2/3rd based on what I see.

[@Docinaplane]

@@swamptiger Appreciate you! I was trying to be lenient.

[@tanya5322]

I guess, as an ordinary person, I’m happy to see that those less than textbook mask wearers are (presumably) at least trying. Though certainly some more PSA type things could be out there to demonstrate/show/explain what best practices look like. When I see a poorly fitted mask on someone, I do my best to bite my tongue and not say anything (because who knows just how willingly that person is attempting to wear their mask)... be more aware of my personal space, and move on. If I’m really feeling concerned, I remind myself that my husband does surgery in barns. (Not sure that it’s fully relevant re:covid, but it’s reassuring nonetheless 😉) Meanwhile, just had my nose cleaned 😉 for the third or 4th week in a row at the senior living complex where I work

[@seraphimsscythe1628]

Wonder IF anybody considers the fact the "FDA," "CDC," and A LOT of these supposed "Experts," are HIGHLY POLITICISED. It's a factor that needs considered very closely.

[@silaslizzie43]

What do you base this on?

[@seraphimsscythe1628]

@@silaslizzie43 History. "H1N1." "AIDS." "HIV." Research. Medical papers/Medical Journals/Medical Studies/Information and Data from Medical Field Workers. Simple Logic. Simple Observation. A lot of the bias is clear and obvious.

[@donalddrysdale246]

if people would stop being so naïve and full of pride, they wouldn't trust anyone that shows there face on the internet anymore because obviously it is a psychotic cult behind what is going on right now, and Bill Gates and the rest of them own everything internet and is how they have been trying to destroy free speech.

[@fr.nicholasvoelker2105]

You’ve done it again Doctor. God bless you for your wonderful work and ministry

[@Biosynthnut]

As a introvert I was ok with this, for about 2 months. Now, just day to day.

[@donalddrysdale246]

the cult of psychopaths behind this are trying to dehumanise ALL of us--they have an agenda, and it is clearly Nazi influenced. 'Social Distancing' was a term used by the third Reich during the Nazi Holocaust, and if your puzzled by that, it's because the Bush line have and are Nazis of a sort and Nixon and others included. David Icke calls the present day face of the US 'Gov', Rothschild Zionists, and he knows more about them then anyone on the outside. Bill Gates has become the frontman in the US, and he is clearly a psychopath wanting to vaccinate all of us.

[@MakalaDoulos]

Great lesson from an executive boss in 1993. 'People like to be treated like... People'

[@donalddrysdale246]

sure, you would think people would of learned from the Nazi Holocaust.

[@teresavance1643]

I hate that it's political. Masks aren't 100% but better than nuthin'. . Schools in Florida is a nightmare. 4 days in my grandsons class got quarantined. Then 2 weeks later my other grandson got quarantined. There's zero continuity so my daughter can't make any plans because schools here are trying hybrid or full time but it's all different in every county. But I believe if we had had a true plan of attack and reopening with businesses getting the money to mitigate workers risk i.e. meat packing

[@donalddrysdale246]

the cult behind this Teresa, has people so confused they don't know where to begin, and it's what they hoped of course. you probably haven't heard of David Icke, but he was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for supposedly spreading mis-information about 'covid. first off, why do people think they need masks now, when in 2017 alone 500,000 people died from bird flu world wide and hardly anyone noticed it--there is a strain of something almost every year now. it's simply because they got sucked in by the lies from the mainstream media eight months ago, which was the case with 911 and the rest of the scams the psychotic mega-rich cult behind them have pulled off. the masks are to dehumanise us further; they have an agenda, and they think people are stupid to the point they even published a book called Agenda 21.

[@swagobill]

This is true. I know a very prominent person in Virginia who was a coach and owner of chain of restaurants. He was by all appearances a very successful and "together" person. After months of not having the social outlet and meaningful fulfillment of coaching he drifted into a deep despair and committed suicide. This was a horrible tragedy for the city and all those that loved him.

[@donalddrysdale246]

sure, what else Josh, can it be other than a bunch of technocrat psychopaths that are behind this? David Icke has been telling people for 30 years that they have no empathy for people what-so-ever, and have an agenda for us. how do most people not see that all of a sudden eight months ago, they used the mainstream media as usual to simply tell us we will ALL die if we are not wearing masks, and we need to isolate. this has never happened before, and there is a strain of something almost every year now. were was the lock downs, masks, and hypochondria in 2017 alone, that killed 500,000 people world wide? no one hardly mentioned it.

[@LilCraftyNook]

This is a huge issue and it’s so horribly sad!!

[@karenkaren3189]

Really, just continue to be careful, be alert but don’t freak out.

[@ATF_CA]

Guys, her name is Karen. She must be talking bullshit

[@karenkaren3189]

@@ATF_CA Don’t you just hate Karens? 😉

[@karenkaren3189]

For myself, many months ago, I learned to limit how much time I was spending online. I read one daily newspaper and listen to the radio a lot ( yes I am a dinosaur) but turn it to a music station when I feel Covid overload, or any overload for that matter. As an old, recently retired nurse I am focused on staying healthy and safe. I walk outside every day for 4-5 miles. I do go into grocery stores, etc. I have gotten take out, but because of my age and other factors I don’t eat inside restaurants. I don’t drink, so bars don’t tempt me. I stay in touch with friends and family via telephone, text, email and an occasion in person visit ( outside). I do have friends who are even more careful than me so I have visited with them inside their homes, but still socially distanced, with masks and weather permitting, the windows open. My dear parents are in their early nineties, with decent quality of life. I have the genes to live another 20 or 30 years, with luck. You can bet I am doing everything within reason to stay alive! Stay safe Be well Take care of each other Have hope ❤️🙏🇺🇸🙏❤️

[@karenkaren3189]

I went to the mall yesterday to buy a new laptop. Masks, social distancing and lots of air circulation. Felt great to be out, great to get a new laptop. Life goes on, with some modifications.

[@donalddrysdale246]

it is the psychopathic cult behind this spreading fear because it is part of an agenda they have for us.

[@lucrezaborgia]

Wisconsin is having a terrible time with covid right now because idiots are having large gatherings, filling the bars, casinos, and restaurants while our hospitals are almost at capacity. I personally know of several covid deniers who contracted it after engaging in unsafe behavior. Any time our governor tries to do something the legislature (backed by the Tavern League) takes him to court instead of coming up with a plan to contain things. My daughter is doing digital school because I'm extremely high risk for any respiratory illness as it is. I barely survived the H1N1 pandemic. The school ended up closing anyway because so many adults got sick from kids that they were down to skeleton crews and many teachers and staff are in high risk groups.

[@mejercit]

People want to go get drunk smd screw.

[@donalddrysdale246]

ok, I see what you've said; so, tell me then why there wasn't all this hypochondria and mass debating during the 2017 bird flu alone, that killed 500,000 world wide; that wasn't a pandemic? there has been a strain of something almost every year nowadays. just last year: 100,000 dead from TB. the people that die from theses strains have been just people with pre-existing immune system problems; young and old, and has been the case with any strain since after WWI. no one was behaving with this mass fear until one day eight months ago, the mainstream media decided to tell everyone they will die if there not wearing masks; you don't find that alone kind of odd? I have no question this strain of whatever was made in a China lab then set loose. ALL of society was never jailed because a small minority have been receptible to a strain--for people with healthy immune systems, it's no worse than a common cold. I have gotten sick occasionally just because some ignorant fool didn't cover his month when he sneezed. how do you people not see that someone has an agenda for all of us; Bill Gates wants to vaccinate everyone; he's psychotic.

[@Rdgoosmicp]

Alt Middle approach is so needed

[@michaele.4702]

This is literally the most well thought out video Ive seen all year.

[@CoffeeLover-mz7bk]

I always appreciate your balanced views.

[@anastasiamccarter8029]

As always, THANK YOU for a balanced and rational approach, mixed with understanding and compassion. This is why I watch you ZDogg. A voice of reason in the midst of insanity.

[@carolejean63]

Pandemic ... election.. social media.. anxiety, depression, uncertainty about jobs.. 😩❤️. Thanks you’re great!!

[@donalddrysdale246]

a man named David Icke warned people last year this 'pandemic scare' would be coming--he knows more about what and who is behind it than anyone on the outside of it, and he was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for it.

[@anarcho-communist11]

​@@donalddrysdale246 David Icke thinks lizard people are trying to rule the world. I don't know if I can trust his opinions on this.

[@thesimplechiclife]

This video totally hit home for me - I'm a single mother and registered nurse and I won't ramble, but thank you for this insight. You hit the nail on the head - very articulate and so needed for me right now. :)

[@debschrader7359]

I’m 100% in agreement to this episode!!! Finally my belief has been validated!! Thank Doc!

[@lizab8400]

Great video. Love your approach to these difficult topics. Refreshing ☺️

[@azmisunshine]

Yep. Admitting a ton of folks for ETOH/Drugs. 😢

[@armynurse1510]

Currently deployed and ER nurse wife at home says the same. "Drunkicidals all night" she says

[@TheOppie89]

Us too. An increase in suicidal patients too. It's terrible.

[@FedExMeYourDrugs]

What we’re suffering from is bullshit fatigue: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mamqf3iOqaeAlck

[@sim_aware]

This has been a major challenge for us as well

[@s.masson8263]

The Chinese actually boarded people up in their apartments.

[@deannamadrigal7503]

I don't watch any news at all, yet I'm an empath, I feel it all. I'm just so done.

[@deannamoses8914]

I'm with you Deanna. Empath here as well and I'm high risk along with my elderly momma. I also have an almost 12yr old at home who is very social. It has been so exhausting trying to find rational decisions and keep things as normal as possible. I'm wiped out by it all.

[@sangle-id7ri]

Thank you!!! Love hearing from someone who is being rational about the virus. As a retired nurse I learned a long time ago to do my own research for any medical issues so I have been seeking out any reliable studies I could find and avoid listening to the main stream media or anyone that uses fear to promote their agenda. As for myself I started trying to live a healthier lifestyle and taking all the precautions but have also chosen to continued to have a normal family life with my grown children and my grandchildren. At first I tried to avoid physical contact with my family but the emotional pain proved to be too great so I made the decision to continue my normal life with them after a couple of months. By that time more was known about the virus and I was practicing a healthier lifestyle. I am grateful that our school system has chosen to provide in school classes with multiple precautions so my grandchildren are attending school and they aren't suffering from lack of education or social interaction with their peers. Of it's not the normal school experience due to all of the precautions but they are happier than when they were doing school by video conference. When they started school again I had to make the decision to continue to babysitting their younger sister since I also realized there is still a chance that they could bring the virus home to me even though the school is taking so many precautions but I chose what was right for me. Just like their parents had to choose between in school or online as both were offered. It's all about knowledge and choices as with all viruses it's here to stay and we must learn to live with it. Again thank you.

[@jenniferlego4221]

I would make the same choices if I were in your shoes. Cherishing loved ones for a quality life wins over perishing emotionally for quantity.

[@karenkaren3189]

I am also a retired nurse and I respect your measured, careful choices. A couple of months ago I started hugging my adult sons and a few friends again. We are wearing masks, and it’s a brief hug so the chance of infection is basically nil but the emotional benefit is great. I go out to stores and other necessary businesses. I feel sorry for people who are too afraid to go out at all and also sorry for people who think that reasonable measures like masks and social distancing are so threatening to their rights. Most of us can navigate a healthy middle course.

[@swagobill]

our family typically gets together in Virginia, traveling in from 3 different states. My brother in law is a DO neurosurgeon and his wife is a family doctor and getting ill for them has big consequences so we have decided to make our thanksgiving a 4 location zoom event.

[@elainemcdaniel3954]

I am so tired of being home alone without a job. I am planning to travel to look at places I might want to move as they have jobs available. I just can't isolate anymore.

[@donalddrysdale246]

no one should have to in what was supposed to be a free and democratic country, and JFK has got to be rolling in his grave at how no one much seems to understand what that means anymore.

[@jinzhang8241]

11:22 "I just don't care" is different from "I am depressed, fed up with restrictions, and sad, but I will still do the right thing (wear masks and social distance) to protect others and society." Did our grandfathers and grandmothers say, "I just don't care." when Hitler invaded Europe? Did their own fathers and mothers say. "I just don't care" when World War 1 and Spanish Flu came out? We are not being asked to do 4-5 years of waging war - but we are being asked to follow science, to wear masks and to limit our social contacts for the next 12-18 months to the point we get herd immunity through a vaccine. The fact of the matter is there is a proper way to open the economy and carry out some semblance of social bonding while still following social distancing and masking. It is not a zero sum game, not an all or nothing approach. It is a finite time - not for eternity.

[@donalddrysdale246]

you are not responsible for other peoples health just your own---the cult behind this has been stripping down people's self--esteem and screwing with their eyes hard for decades. what we call not looking after your own needs in the drug and alcohol recovery community is co-dependency, in which an epidemic has grown through them using 'political correctness': my opinion doesn't matter, and shrug their shoulders. David Icke who knows more about what and who is behind this, was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for supposedly spreading mis-information about 'covid'. they('the Bill Gates cult') wouldn't of done that if they weren't afraid of him exposing their agenda for us ALL. he predicted 911 because he knew their plans and started seeing their patterns. there were a few people back in he 1960s that knew this would be happening right now;Jim Morrison of The Doors was one of them. the masks are to further dehumanise us into their agenda, and if you don't believe it, they think people are so stupid they even published a book called Agenda 21, that's all about what they ae trying to do with us. Prescott Bush was in charge of Union Bank during WWII, and he was funding a well known Hitler funder in Europe who had big money in banks and steel. Hitler was a washed up artist who had no money, but the elite at the time heard he could talk people so they took him and created the lie of the times that he saved the economy. Icke calls the present day face of the US 'Gov.' 'Rothschild Zionists,' in which anyone, like Trump,Bolton; etc., who continues to side with Rothschild Inc. continuing to own most of the Israeli land that was taken during WWi. Kennedy was the only one that made an effort to stop them. it was Rothschild Inc. and George Sorus(BLM) that had 'bailed' Trump out. Trump is just the latest paid actor of them

[@jinzhang8241]

@@donalddrysdale246 You say "You are not responsible for other people's health just your own?" So I guess that does not apply to: 1. When you were in your mother's uterus, her health habits and her blood chemistry did not affect your fetal physiology? 2. When you were finally born to this earth, you were completely independent - no need for the antenatal care provided by the nurses and doctors? 3. When you grew up from infancy to teens to adulthood, you stayed in a glass bubble where you only breathe the air you breathe? Your drinking and smoking habits don't affect the people around you? And when you have Covid and you decide you don't wear a mask, you pass on the virus and infect the vulnerable? What a selfish piece of s***t

[@PopShoppekid]

Way overboard these public officials over playground rules in San Francisco.

[@cherlgolja5402]

Liberal bullshit I’m so tired of this after 40 years in ca !

[@PopShoppekid]

@@cherlgolja5402 I agree. California must go back GOP Asap! Newsom is a destroyer of all good things!

[@donalddrysdale246]

a man named David Icke warned people last year a 'pandemic scare' would be coming; he had predicted 911 as well, because he knows who is behind it all and what they're agenda is for All of us. why can't people see this is the beginning of a mass concentration camp? many don't want to acknowledge it; that's denial. these 'public officials' are just soldiers of the 'Rothschild Zionists' psychopaths like Bill Gates, and are just ordered what to do by them including Trump.

[@lokami2a807]

I have the fatigue sometimes it’s like a fog but also developed some kind of insomnia. I’ve been up for around 36 hours right now and this happens at least once a week and has since April. I don’t drink or do drugs. I’ve had some blood tests for something else they told me everything is normal. I don’t mind having this time to catch up on projects and studying but this can’t be good for me long term I know my wife is tired of me leaving the books around and fixing things. I work full time I’m surprised I haven’t crashed at work I just stay steady all the time. They tell me it’s stress but idk what I’m stressed about which is starting to stress me out in an endless cycle.

[@ckaarchitect]

“Do your best to not infect other people.” ZDoggMD constantly underestimates the effect of a failure in leadership in messaging. One can show empathy, love, and understanding for differences without so much equivocating and pandering when it comes to responsibility. Trump is qualitatively different and truth and honesty have taken a beating on a whole other level for it.

[@runninragged2935]

Can’t say enough how much I appreciate your take on things. It’s so refreshing to hear someone talk about things without putting others down or garnering hate. I am happily here in the alt-middle with you.

[@Docinaplane]

Why don't you talk about how "cases" should be divided into either infections or just positive PCR tests, and how those are very often not the same? Wasn't the PCR test developed for confirming diagnosis in symptomatic people, not a broad population screening test with multiple issues in this regard?

[@user-sh4sm9hw7k]

Exactly! Here in Washington state our hospitals have been empty since June, yet cases have been going up and down, yet hospilizations remain less than 5% of all beds in use for covid since June.

[@donalddrysdale246]

I don't get why you people can't see that no one ever debated this stuff over any strain there has been. where was all this hypochondria during the 2017 bird flu alone, that killed 500,000 people world wide? hardly anyone noticed it and life went on. even the White House Dr had affirmed back in the spring that about 80% of the cases tested were mild symptoms(negative) as was about the same for S Korea then. eight months later, the average citizen is still trying to play super neurosurgeon everywhere. this strain of whatever has only killed a certain number of people, and that's because it only kills those with pre--existing immune system problems, which has been the case with any strain there's been since WWI. life was the usual until one day eight months ago, the mainstream media decided to tell people everywhere they will all die if they're not wearing masks--I have no question that was part one of this hoax that began in a China lab then was set loose. this thing has never even been isolated and tested.

[@Docinaplane]

@@donalddrysdale246 Maybe because the bird flu killed relatively few people and then faded away. Where did you get that 500,000 number??

[@pamgreer3953]

Quite possibly the best post I’ve seen! Thank you zdogg!

[@marid1580]

If masks work, why are cases increasing? Several articles state masks would decrease COVID-19 by 80%, but...,

[@p.w.4203]

So glad ads are reduced. I just can’t watch when there are more than a couple. Thank you great analysis . I feel less panicky and fretting. Your clarity and knowledge and compassion help tremendously. Thank you!

[@jenniferprobably3824]

I had to pull my daughter out of school because of her allergies. There are too many similar symptoms. After the second negative test, I just gave up. Now she’s home for good?

[@donalddrysdale246]

sure, the lunatics behind all this want us were it's easiest to haul us off to an empty Wal-mart or whatever it is they're planning next.

[@serrerwe]

I thought you'd get a kick out of me telling you I was able to use this for a major English assignment! (I'm a bio major!) Keep up the good work! I always love listening to your stuff since I get how fact based it is and how you give your own personal "real world" opinions on how you interpret the in depth, scientific facts and then give realistic real world applications for it!

[@MrFritzoschenia]

Great Video. Thank you ZDogg . I’ll wait for your nickel back parody

[@ronaldbentley5167]

I would love to see the numbers on OD deaths and suicide increases. I can't find it anywhere and the news doesn't report on it but I totally believe they are on the rise.

[@donalddrysdale246]

thanks, sure they're rising--i was an AA member for 30 years until eight months ago when all meetings in my town got closed, and this is a life and death program; it's the only thing we have that arrests are condition. you can't find info about it because the mainstream media isn't about that; it doesn't care about us, and it is once again the main spreader of lies about what is going on right now, because mega- rich psychopaths like Bill Gates control it, and that's what David icke has been trying to tell people for 30 years and why they banned him from his You Tube channel back in March.

[@prviolist]

@@donalddrysdale246 then do them online, over zoom.

[@LilCraftyNook]

Yes! I’m sure very much so!

[@Kchristians]

4:33 spot on. Working in pain management and, anecdotally speaking, have seen a drastic increase in patient relapse. Many of these patients have been consistent for years too.. It's incredibly frustrating to see people make good progress only to lose all social support due to factors outside of their control.

[@donalddrysdale246]

when you say 'outside their control', you said it all now because the people have totally given their power away to the psychopathic mega-rich like Bill Gates and only have themselves to blame because they have kept voting them in. I was an AA member for 30 years, and I haven't been able to go to a meeting for eight months because they have been closed in my town over nothing. it is a life and death organization; it's a condition one out of nine drinkers have, and many would be back drinking or even have died by now. the creeps have obviously targeted the recovery community this time as well.

[@kotomakosako]

Awesome episode. I, for one, feel better after watching it. Keep up the great work and thanks for everything! I will support you.

[@quantumgirl222]

Do we really need a vaccine for a cold virus? It’s good to get sick here or there. Getting sick is what actually strengthens your immune system.

[@donalddrysdale246]

the vaccine obsession is obviously the main part of the psychopath Bill Gate's agenda.i had heard it would have some kind of 'DNA' changing property, and I have no question he wants to turn the people they don't kill off into literal walking I-phone zombies, and they are clearly more than half way there to achieving it. how do most people not get that obviously eight months ago, they used the mainstream media as usual, to tell us we will ALL die if we are not wearing masks, which would of been part two of their hoax, after having this strain of whatever made up in a China lab, then set loose, which is exactly what I think they did; no question.

[@sandylewis8897]

I can't believe how politicized this has become. I agree with Dr. Jay B. and others. Protect the vulnerable and start opening up. Lockdowns / school closures have been so bad for society.

[@gwillis01]

In my American hometown, during the first three months of the plague, hospitals were discharging patients they considered to be stable and about 2/3 of the way to being fully recovered into hotel rooms near the hospital "to free up beds for the severely ill" It's like the hospital administrators took over the hotel market for several weeks and comandeered several hotels near hospitals. Teams of visiting nurses would come around and circulate around all the hotel rooms and check vital signs once or twice a day.

[@robinlawson7441]

I really needed to hear this. Yes I'm absolutely living my life now due to pandemic fatigue, but as safe as possible (masks, distance, cleaning) but I don't want to even share that because of the backlash.

[@donalddrysdale246]

you don't have to worry about it if you have normal health--this strain has just been killing those with pre--existing immune system problems like has been the case with any strain. where were the lock downs, masks, and hypochondria during the 2017 bird flu alone, that killed 500,000 world wide? hardly anyone noticed it and life went on. this is the latest hoax from the psychopathic mega-rich behind it--obviously they used the mainstream media eight months ago to spread fear and begin to confuse people, which is exactly what they are trying to do.

[@cheekytitaable]

So sick of the media. I’m tired. Already had covid and so did my kid who has some co-morbidities. We survived. Sent my kid back to school and he’s sick one week after being back. Even tho it seems like a cold, I’m too tired to stress about it. My kid wants to be at school. Life has risks. Live each day like it matters.. We live, we die, move on.

[@davidfayfield5773]

I’ve decided what’s important to me., living and not killing anyone else

[@donalddrysdale246]

we are killing each other by continuing to deny that there is a beyond psychotic and mega-rich cult running the world, and has no empathy for us or anything else that's not walking dead.

[@accuracymark]

The good Doctor again saves my sanity, thank you brother

[@krisometer7939]

Surgical masks are better than cloth for not fogging up your glasses!

[@karenbennett3662]

Unless you are wearing crappy surgical masks. I’m a Travelor and the little hospital I’m working at has the worst surgical masks. They gape at the sides and under the chin the are constantly riding up and getting in my eyes which means I am constantly tugging it down. My cloth masks that I made to fit me fits tightly all around including the nose and I don’t have to touch them while I am wearing them. I really believe my cloth masks are the better choice.

[@donalddrysdale246]

you don't need a mask; its a scam--the psychopathic cult behind this is using them to dehumanise us further.

[@karenbennett3662]

@@donalddrysdale246 you are delusional. I work in hospitals and have direct contact with patients who are critically ill from the SARS COVID 19. It exists, some people get deathly ill and can die, if you think that doesn’t matter or just a conspiracy you need a reality check. Personally if you don’t want to wear a mask then personally you need to stay away from me and everyone else and you’ve opted out of any healthcare access because you are putting me, my family and the people I work with at risk. But unfortunately that isn’t an option for us. I hope for your sake and your loved ones that you don’t learn the truth the hard way. Thank god the idiot in the White House is on his way out.

[@erikajenkins513]

I’m so glad I found you. I’m stuck in the middle with this and just trying to stay sane!

[@donalddrysdale246]

there is nothing sane about any of this Erika--all of a sudden eight months ago, the mainstream media decided to tell everyone they will die if they're not wearing masks. it is a beyond psychotic and mega-rich cult that runs the mainstream and they have an agenda for ALL of us. if you don't believe that, they even published a book called agenda 21 because that's how stupid they think most people are. the masks are to dehumanise us further--we can't communicate like we always did with them on. they are intentionally trying to confuse people, and they banned David Icke from his You Tube channel back in March because they are afraid of his exposing their scams. unless this tyranny stops, there is no future for any of us. Trump is just a paid actor for them.

[@erikajenkins513]

@@donalddrysdale246 I agree I’m just trying to hold onto something here. Things have gotten much worse since I even wrote that comment. My kids are playing sports with masks over faces :( they are starting to break us and nobody I know is on board to standing up with me because it feels like a lost cause.

[@annsalaunrondou3676]

You made me cry.Retired/disabled RN. HX end stage autoimmune pancreatitis. Woke up 5/27 sob went AMA DX: Death from Kaiser. In a.m. 911 friend called. Only remember the poor EMT, screaming he wanted to intubate me. Nope I'm DNR & done. I'm still standing.lol. Need ercp per mrcp but high risk Copd. Feel like shit, they "think" gallstone stuck in CBD. HE WROTE PT. IS SERIOUSLY DEPRESSED!! Because I had apprehension ERCP PANCREATITIS. Asked him not to put anything about feeling depressed. Saw it on kp.org Pt seriously depressed and leaning towards ideation. WTF. My point is everyone is depressed. Thanks BTW stated I refused ERCP so I guess I'll wait for sepsis LMAO I wear a mask & trying to raise my teenage daughter who MISSES her friends starting 9th grade. Well thank you for listening and addressing social depression. BTW she's online school so I must the news. Also, Tom RN, when I was in ICU told me he loves you especially your episode with your girls. Tom also has 2 daughters & they all watched it, loved it. Well ✌ peace & blessings to you, family and staff. Thank you for all you do.

[@sim_aware]

The depression is huge in general and my kid (9) has really struggled too. Good luck!

[@the_eerie_faerie_tales]

Pandemic? What pandemic? I have Propaganda Fatigue.

[@cherlgolja5402]

Thank you I agree 🐒🙊🙉🙈

[@LordLotman]

💯 Eerie

[@donalddrysdale246]

yes, apparently more people than ever are completely brainwashed by the mainstream media, and I think I-phones the last 18 years are much to do with it.

[@the_eerie_faerie_tales]

@@donalddrysdale246 I agree I notice a difference between the people that watch TV and don't watch TV and the kids that grew up with internet and the people that have lived without it.

[@the_eerie_faerie_tales]

@@cherlgolja5402 💜💜

[@gwillis01]

It's hard not to revert to stereotypes under duress. However, I hate it when a man says "You should be tankful that I came down off my pedestal to give you a little help for an hour instead of ignoring you totally."

[@TheParkview98]

Thank you for easing my anxiety that also continues to come in waves. The main stream media makes it worse.

[@cheekytitaable]

Already had covid in July as did my son with kidney issues. I also have asthma, It’s definitely a weird virus but I’ve had friends catch it with varying levels of severity, we are all okay! Yes some folks die, but mostly elders, sadly. Don’t waste your energy on fear. We’re building herd immunity and the virus is watering down! Best advice, take vitamin d3 ( have doc check your levels via labs), omegas, Vit c (twice a day), magnesium, zinc. Quercetin is also helpful with zinc absorption. I took all that and am fine. Asthma was not really an issue for me either which I worry about BIG TIME. Have faith

[@davidfayfield5773]

Watering down ? Lol.

[@donalddrysdale246]

the mainstream media Amber, is what the psychotic Bill Gates cult behind this stuff used to set it off to begin with, and the US cult of tyrannists have been using it against the public at least since WWII.

[@colinduncan-farrell8966]

Thank you, I've shared to help others try to understand this time we are sharing.

[@pxohisa]

Thanks for saying that!! Very reasonable!! We need more of this message spreading!!

[@arcticviking7102]

Thanks for putting out the positive vibe Doc, love is what people need most in their lives. ❤️

[@donalddrysdale246]

what the psychotic cult running everything has been doing to us in the last eight months is nothing to do with finding love; the masks are to dehumanise us further---we can't interact how we always did with them on; that's what its about regardless of what side this guy wants to pretends to be on. he obviously has a motive of some kind spending so much time on it.

[@alteredendeavor]

Always appreciated Z! Btw, sorry for bombing you with articles on Twitter. Trying to keep you up on the latest :) Have a great day!

[@emilyb538]

I totally agree, I have asthma and an autoimmune. I won’t change my mask wearing habits bc my doc told me not to, but I need to live and so does my child. I just don’t give a crap anymore. I’m tired, I’m tired of the media and I blame them for almost the entire fatigue problem.

[@notsoeloquent]

It is not how you would feel being admitted to the hospital. Many of those patients end up saying they were wrong. If you are tired - turn the TV off and go on about your day, just don't let yourself slip because of momentary mental fatigue.

[@drdirt505]

Dr Z, how much do I love you? Thank you for this and for your video updates: a voice of reason in the face of monumental despair. We all have an expiration date. Live your best life and treat others as being valuable!

[@MrsClintA]

Well said, Dr! Thank you! Brilliant!

[@treezrgud]

Thanks for this video. It is nice to hear nuance and compassion being promoted.

[@Brillemeister]

Thanks so much for injecting reason into the discussion around how to approach rising cases. God bless

[@ryanlehnhoff654]

I watch these videos for the "I love you" at the end. The stuff in the middle is pretty "dope" too

[@alissavarela6111]

I wish you were in charge of California. We could use some Rational thought! Thank you.

[@jenniferlego4221]

Yes, yes, yers, yes, yes! Liked and shared. The behavior coming from extremists makes me ill. AND, I do not care for ANY of the candidates. I wish more people got this. Advocate for humanity, avoid agendas.

[@donalddrysdale246]

yes, obviously the psychotic cult behind this decided to use the mainstream media eight months ago to spread fear and lies, and it is no different then the 911 hoax, except ten times more obvious, and that was meant to employ more surveillance on us and did. it is obviously a test run now to employ their agenda further on us--anyone with common sense left would be able to see that.

[@robertoldham3760]

It is comforting to know there is some rational people left

[@DiamondLil]

My sister is alt-right, my husband is ctrl-left, and I'm stuck in the shift-middle.

[@donalddrysdale246]

I was an AA member for 30 years, and I haven't been able to got to a meeting for eight months now, because they have all been closed here; it was the only thing I had left for sociality. however, as infuriated as I've been, its probably kept me out of some arguments. I have intentionally avoided going into most of the places I did before this bs happened out of protest.

[@Fokloricdancer]

I'm a med surg/covid nurse since the beginning. Starting to see the uptick of cases. I agree with you and I can understand both side. Trust me I want things to open and stay open but that's why when I do go out I wear a mask when I can't distance and I avoid gatherings. I am seeing an uptick on M1 holds and EtOH withdraws too. I'm tired of the pandemic as well, but covid hasn't stopped for me since March. I wish people on both sides would just be kind to one another. Both my parents are out of work and my sister who is a grocery store worker and I are the ones covering our expenses so I do understand where both sides are coming from. We consider ourselves lucky because I know it could be far worse and for many it is. It's heart breaking and on the other hand I've seen the death and the long term effects with our covid patients. That is also heartbreaking. This is hard and I hope people give themselves some grace but also try to understand the other side from your view.

[@mejercit]

In the meabtime, states should do away with all restrictions.

[@Mermaid2261]

ZDogg, what is your view of the whole question of "the case"? Is the case really an infection, or is it a red herring? Is an asymptomatic case really a case to be counted and followed, vs. a case that is symptomatic and showing all signs and symptoms. Is there an abuse in the numbers game? Are the corona cases counted whether the person dies of corona or not? I am concerned about the proper function of numbers and and curves and the actual veracity of the pcr test.....is it very reliable or is it a test without much efficacy or accuracy? A very concerned RN, PHN......Rob Mitchell, Sacramento CA.

[@bradcampbell5766]

Good Book...CORONA FALSE ALARM? by Dr. Karina Reiss and Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. They mention Dr John Ioannidis quite a bit. A good book to share.

[@dan8402]

Thank you ZDogg you are alive saver more than you know. Yeah I am exhausted. Sure I am part of the zoomacricy but my kids are suffering. I have gained 45 pounds, I am struggling with some depression, my need for a drink at the end of the day has gone up. I am pretty short on fucks to give to anyone. People are panicked. Everyone has gone to a side and are screaming at each other. Everyone thinks their politician knows something better yet no one really knows. Dr Atlas tweeting one tweet and got banned. Social media is now filtering ideas to meet what they feel is truth.

[@CBranumMLT]

Seeing an increase in mental health cases in general

[@donalddrysdale246]

this whole society is having a neurotic reaction driven by 'future' angst, and because there is such a loss of direction. people like Neil Postman warned this would happen.

[@JaredandTasha]

Ive been unemployed for 2 months before the lockdown. Job search was going great leading up to it. Now I can’t even get an interview. Ive been following this as closely as I can since it’s now affecting my well-being on a daily basis. This is beyond bullshit at this point.

[@ianthiaturner6743]

Amen! Dr. dog, I couldn’t agree more!

[@joyutmostjoylife9470]

Thank you for being a voice of reason ❤️

[@dailydoseofmedicinee]

Since the virus arrived in the European region eight months ago, citizens have made huge sacrifices to contain Covid-19. 👍 "It has come at an extraordinary cost, which has exhausted all of us, regardless of where we live, or what we do. In such circumstances it is easy and natural to feel apathetic and demotivated, to experience fatigue.

[@mejercit]

Previous pandemics did not involve secere restrictions on individual behavior.

[@mmgibson1]

I seem to be one of those Alt Middle types. I also am in Rhode Island, which is one of the few states that has not seen an increase in COVID-19. There is not a law in effect that residents have to wear masks when they are outside, but most public places require that you have one on. Almost everyone practices social distancing, which can be challenging while I am out for a run and encounter another person on the sidewalk - is there enough room for both of us to keep close to six feet away, and if not, is there room on the road beside the sidewalk without getting in the way of cars & trucks? But a lot of us seem to be on the alert or concerned about infecting someone else who then takes it home and gives it to their grandparent or something. I have to admit I am tired of the whole thing, but it does not look like it is going away overnight. I live in subsidized housing as well, and they just came around to turn on the heat for colder weather - I bet this is another reason why people are getting sick more. They are inside with stuff flying around when the heaters come on, and become more susceptible to the virus as indoor particles kick up allergies and other health problems.

[@bluehairkim1]

I feel like I’m going insane. I’ve lost all track of time & this feels like an alternate universe

[@LilCraftyNook]

Human beings are losing their capacity to be optimistic and joyful with a positive belief in the future! That is the saddest thing. (It’s not just from this COVID disease either.) You are right on!! Thank you Dr Z!!

[@stephaniebutler81]

Thank you Dr Z! This was a fantastic post. I’m an RN, and I completely agree with you.

[@6ahorses791]

What respectable, intelligent physician calls himself zdogg!

[@elainegoldhammer9321]

I’m a leader at a synagogue and also a physician. It’s been tough not being able to gather in person. Any thoughts or new recommendations on singing ?

[@benmasclans4]

I am ashamed to say that I don't care anymore. I still wear a mask I still follow the guidelines when I can but I'm just numb to everything now

[@nathantan1635]

This is a fireside chat if I've ever heard of one.

[@mikelowry007]

Thanks for giving us the best take right now. I try to spread your middle ground outlook my friend. Mike, RN

[@cindybogart6062]

You are the voice of reason!!! I thank you so much. So glad I found you. ✨⚜️💫🙏🏻

[@MsAngrybutterfly]

I live in San Francisco, where we've had pretty strict restrictions, and they have worked. The media acts like it's SO TERRIBLE and SO RESTRICTIVE, but it actually pretty nice here. People are still living their lives and having fun, lots of the bars and restaurants have outside dining, the kids are doing sports in pods, I defy anyone to actually walk down the streets in San Francisco in my neighborhood and tell us we're missing out on "life" right now because we're wearing masks and trying to stay 6 feet apart.

[@shawnahlfeld4134]

Completely agree with your insights. When logic and healthy discord are abandoned, it always leads to disaster.

[@donalddrysdale246]

apparently, most people don't even have the common sense anymore to see that the mainstream media was obviously use eight months ago to spread fear and lies.

[@scotthighland7649]

Thank you Zdogg!! You helped!!

[@felixcat9455]

Well you say we shouldn’t shame others for not taking it as serious as some of us that put lives above all else, but by not wearing masks they are not just putting themselves at risk. If someone doesn’t want to wear a helmet when they ride a motorcycle that’s fine. Only their life is being put at risk. I’m sorry but I just think it’s a matter of respect and compassion to look out for each other and not put others at risk by not masking.

[@hojinl]

It is funny how I support Democrats, but am accused of being a Trump supporter, just because I believe in no lockdown, but targeted (focus) restrictions and opening up of schools. This is based on available scientific data, along with social/mental costs of the society as a whole. And what about the widening gap? Something is wrong with this country.

[@robertoldham3760]

Doing the opposite of what the other political party wants is terrible policy for everyone and this seems to be the priority for both parties, as opposed to finding common ground. Less absolutism, more pragmatism

[@gwillis01]

I watched a PBS documentary about the psychology of hate recently. This researcher said that humans can be so hyper--loyal to their tribe that any disagreement with their commonly held opinions is considered to be as traumatic as being forced to watch a sexual assault. This is an extreme example of people leaving logic behind and focusing on blind, hot hate for the other side.

[@davidfayfield5773]

I hate non mask wearers

[@gwillis01]

By the way the name of the series [ six episodes ] is WHY WE HATE

[@gwillis01]

The food insecurity is real. I have volunteered to be on the food pantry efficiency improvement committee at my local church.

[@christinecortese9973]

I thank God I stopped watching mainstream media news back in the 90s. Everybody is trying to sway your beliefs. There are few places where you can get factual, unbiased information. That’s why I like your channel.

[@gwillis01]

I have read suggestions online that the best way to celebrate Halloween is to buy candy on www.amazon.com and send one or two ounce bags through the mail to the children of all your best friends. That sounds like a good stopgap measure. Please trick or treat online this year.

[@granite110]

I understand masks are easy but when does it stop and, while logically it makes sense, does it really make a difference? Two examples, since we implemented masks here in Maine in July there have been no changes in case rates or death rates. Second, we are seeing a national rise “cases” but the majority of states have mask mandates.

[@ReineDeLaSeine14]

It’s not enforced where I live. Most don’t follow the mandate. More people have once VDH said they’ll shut down businesses that don’t comply.

[@kk70x7]

I'm on Day 8 of COVID hospital stay and I'm for sure in pandemic fatigue.