It Somehow Got Even Worse

[@FredIsHalfDead]

Massive developments. Massive foreheads. Zealand.

[@otgomario]

Leave the man alone he ran 16 miles

[@WuCSquad]

@@otgomario His forehead ran 17

[@tylercady3985]

Also the manager, Duncan Ferguson, is apparently working for free, with him giving all of his wages back to the club to help with the debts. Which in the grand scheme of things may not mean all that much, but Big Dunc is a legend already, and that just gets better with this situation.

[@starshot131]

big dunc is an awful manager, his mere presence is bringing them down Also there was a rumour last season he was on crazy money, as in >200k salary, so he can probably afford it after bankrupting them

[@pogmalog]

Their fans want him gone. He's a horrific manager who isn't doing them any favours.

[@b.s.bobbyshaw]

@@starshot131 He bankrupted them? Or they bankrupted themselves by giving him that contract? 🤔

[@SkyHighSkylar]

@@b.s.bobbyshawthe club is stupid for offering big dunc that contract, and big dunc would be stupid to turn it down

[@Hartley_Hare]

A former colleague of mine was sent to interview 'Big Dunc,' but before the interview he was told by one of his people to mention his boots, as they were giving him money. Big Dunc internalised this as 'only talk about your boots' and answered every question by talking about his boots like a deranged company representative. After thinking about it, the journalist wrote up the interview word for word and, if you can find it, it makes a very funny read. The magazine was called Goal, by the way.

[@anirudhraghavarachuri9989]

This calls for an Inverness caley thistle FM save

[@WuCSquad]

*real life save*

[@TobyMichaelsOfficial]

A decade ago we won a scottish cup. I got the honour of writing a league cup final song for us the season before. Now we are in this horrific situation. It's a decade of mismanagement. Honestly terrified any time ICT post.

[@veryrancid3128]

Hope you get back on your feet! Hate to see this happen

[@piekay7285]

To be fair: Union Berlin was in a similar situation 20 years ago. Yes, the German 3rd - 4th division isn’t exactly the same as the Scottish 3rd division, but there are options and opportunities

[@jasperredican4987]

16:06 Small correction: sports teams don’t fold in the US unless you’re in the lower tiers of our soccer systems, and then it happens all the time

[@williamcross210]

It used to happen in the top levels in all sports

[@TobyMichaelsOfficial]

The insane thing is a premier league player with 1 month of their wages could save the club. A pittance to them, a huge amount to us at Inverness. Thank you for continuing the coverage. ICT fan. Depressed at the state of my club

[@kleptrep94]

As an Annan fan I desperately hope that someone saves you because Calley don’t deserve to go out this way.

[@simplesimonhadapie]

Yeah it's sad the state of football and I hope you survive coming from a Hun who has been there and done it

[@daviebananas1735]

What? They need at least £5M to survive the next two seasons and pay the loan back. Even then they’ll need more money after that. This is not fixable without someone coming in willing to burn £10M and massively downgrade the club over the next decade.

[@darkjudge8786]

Classic Scottish response: Communism. Sorry mate, never works, stop voting.

[@HappyHonklerRecords]

@@daviebananas1735 Zealand could do it with some of his money and sponsors. Look at Wrexham, owners with a high media profile but also good sponsors and advertisers. Plus, the Northern Highlands is a good area for youth development with no big clubs south of the Grampians.

[@fmtm9088]

Zealand, after all that is happening with this club , if it still exists in FM 25 , this should be the team for your save in the new FM and maybe the club could have a bit of help with the financial status with the support that will come by this community

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@fmtm9088 I second this one

[@meelooxavier6502]

This idea is FIRE

[@b.s.bobbyshaw]

This 🔥

[@JankenChamp]

After you win the Dubai Marathon you should buy this club !

[@HappyHonklerRecords]

Inverness Calezelandism Thistle... you know it makes sense.

[@mikkysteaders]

Inverness is in a completely different dimension from the rest of us.

[@candym0nz826]

Ah yes my favorite psuedo investor, Ketan Makwana

[@adlilzafri2322]

Sky Sports are preparing the countdown clock as we speak

[@Ben-nv9vp]

This is eerily similar to the Pompey situation we dealt with. We were lucky that a local fan was rich enough to buy the club and smart enough to clear the debts. I hope it works out for them

[@Ben-nv9vp]

The only thing we did which might work is sell the club to the fans at a price that kept us afloat

[@finnishyank7413]

Same for us at Derby. Clowes saved us not wanting to lose his boyhood club.

[@goteamgaz]

@@Ben-nv9vpthe problem is the finances in Scottish football are a tiny fraction of what’s available in England. My team is in that same division, are part-time and have an average crowd of about 700. There’s no TV deal, prize money is £400k for 1st, £200k for 2nd. The amount of money they’re losing is insane.

[@vinylhorror]

How many Dragons do we need to wrangle up for Zeeland to take his rightful place as leader of the 7 Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm known as ICT?

[@green_joos]

He can even take over the Highland council... The Highlands is shambolic right now

[@stopspyingonme9210]

You're making me feel better about being broke. Even rich people don't know how to manage money

[@JoeMercersWay]

Problem is there's no revenue outside the top leagues and wages far outstrip club income.

[@ellipticalsoul]

owning a football club is basically an enormous money sink unless you own one in the EPL and do what the Glazers did for years

[@fernandomustachioso9737]

I think the multiple failed US leagues and teams would like to revisit your memory of "this doesn't happen", but I agree it's horrid when a passion project of thousands of people over a period decades goes out of existence.

[@Scape_TEST]

Had a great save with Inverness years ago. Always had a soft spot for them

[@benn4474]

You hear that? That is the sound of 1,000 new Inverness CT saves

[@edi0157]

Well, gofundme pages CAN work, Dinamo Bucharest was in a similar situation a few years ago when a random Spanish man (Pablo Cortacero) bought the club, burdened it with big player contracts and then never provided the promised funds or even step foot in Romania, there the fans stepped in and managed to buy a share of the club and pay off debts with a socio-type program and it worked, the club is on its way out of insolvency after the dude was wrestled out of the club and new majority investors came in but yeah, who knows if it will work for Caledonian Thisle, at least the Dinamo fans managed to get themselves a say in the club after pumping all that money. You probably have to try though if you have the money to spare, I mean as you said, having a club die is so sad and we here in Romania have had it happen so many times so we know what it s like

[@cuauhtemocricardoorlandosa2188]

FeelsSchalkeMan

[@kylecorman7859]

Inverness is teetering on the edge. Honestly, administration is probably the best thing to do.

[@RyanBrolly54]

Dundalk FC multi-time League of Ireland champions and played Arsenal in the 2022 EL GS are facing down the barrel of expulsion from the league could be an interesting case study

[@williamcross210]

One problem that I see, having taken over running a small, in debt, organization, is that you don't budget for 2nd place, you budget for last place. My organization ran a surplus all 10 years I ran that organization and had money for several big projects. In addition, the school I worked for budgeted for a middle level of student retention for the second semester. When the retention came in at a low level, the school had to cut operating funds from the individual departments. It is way better to budget for the worst case scenario and if you do better have some extra money than to end up needing more money at the end of the budget.

[@ReneeOtti]

Thats 2 clubs in 2 seasons on the brink in Scottish league 1, last year Edinburgh city were on the brink of disappearing, from only being able to use Amateure players and also being very close to not getting a license to play it was tough as a fan of them. That’s another point about Inverness however that could put them in jeopardy, if they do go into administration they won’t be able to access financial accounts and so when the time for licence renewal comes around they won’t be able to provide club accounts to gain at least a bronze licence which means they’ll be expelled from the Scottish leagues

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@ReneeOtti money in football just like every other walk of life has been handed to the elite slowly drip fed

[@farcentrewatch1152]

Thanks for the depressive start to the weekend. Glad you came back to topic. A chance for the four of you to own a club like wrexham and work happily together with a board livestream every week...

[@b.s.bobbyshaw]

This about to be the biggest Save Our Season Zealand has ever done 🤣

[@senorsoupe]

This Makwana guy is the John Spano of Scottish Football but the SPFL are smarter than the 90's NHL

[@swungburrito9231]

Run plz, Ima go buy Inverness

[@MetaliOwl]

Sheffield wednesday fan here. This reminds me of when Chansiri asked out fanbase to pay the tax bill, but at least this club set up a crowd fund for fans to pay into it, rather than use it as a stick to beat the fan base with.

[@sebastianpatriksson7814]

Massive developments, the forehead needs measuring

[@meelooxavier6502]

15:31 someone call Mbappe!

[@UltraMLPMMMunetes]

Can't help but notice the trending topic on Twitter in the background about Cole Palmer being considered to play left back for England

[@Schm1dtstorm]

I remember when tweets had not a 300 but a 140-character limit. This tweet has nearly 1800 WORDS.

[@McPilch]

Mel 'Braveheart' Gibson should buy em! 😃⚔️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 But seriously, if anyone uses the socials (I'm KZbin-only) and has any way of putting this idea in front of Mel.. I mean, look at Ryan Reynolds and the other dude at Wrexham.

[@suddenlystarlit]

Zealand about to be on the run again... too bad it won't be actual running.

[@The28studio]

This need to be a save Z

[@NEILAMALONE]

For some reason, I kind of keep thinking of Gretna. Hopefully the club doesn't go the same way! I'm a Dundee United fan and it's true that making money in Scottish football is difficult. That said similar to United if those running the club have barely a clue, then it's often a bad situation!

[@DG-rb7bo]

They made Duncan Ferguson the third highest paid manager in Scotland while having zero experience while in the 2nd/3rd tiers, deserve all they get

[@jonathanlang7294]

Yeah the issue in Scotland is that the sfa refusing to implement FFP rules for all clubs to follow there has been a number of Scottish clubs that have folded over recent years Gretna being the example of living outwith it's means doing a FM journey from league 2 to SPFL to burst then in 2012 rangers get liquidated and are killed they have to form a new club and buy the assets from the dead club that was the point the sfa should have step in with FFP not to try and push the survival lie

[@StraightUpKrazy_]

aw was kinda hoping it would be julian on this video

[@JohnZoni]

Shame to see how far ICT has fallen after winning the Scottish Cup not that long ago.

[@green_joos]

The fact that an American knows more about my local club than me is astonishing

[@FifaIsntGreat]

Myself being a ICT fan since birth it really is awful how the club has ended up

[@656sportsandthings9]

It's not just a couple of bake sales

[@itsmychannel]

Bro definitely didn’t run today. What a bum.

[@RyanClark-q8s]

Fans should email Karen Gillan, she's from Inverness, could bring the Hollywood to the club like Ryan Reynolds and co at Wrexham

[@mikeavina168]

I really hope they don’t let that guy do that 😢

[@frank98_7]

Hi not Zealand! Could you make a video about Luka Vuskovic? He feels like prime van dijk and prime Passarella put together! Thanks.

[@Othraerir]

joining spurs next season, if all their kids keep improving, they'll have one hell of a team, or a load of cash when levy sells them ;)

[@alexbarber3310]

Surely they can get a match against Celtic legends organised or something to try and save the club and hold it at Murrayfield or Celtic park? Much like what Bayern did for Kaiserslautern.

[@janis7077]

Apparently they owe 5 million. Celtic park has a capacity of 60k. Let's say they sell out the whole stadium at 20 pounds per ticket. They've still made only 1/5 of what they need. And that's assuming 60k people will pay that price to see Celtic legends play against a club that many probably don't care about. Keeping in mind their last legends game against Borussia Dortmund legends only had 30k people, and that one was for a cancer charity not to save a random club.

[@WuCSquad]

Next video: "We're gonna do FM in real life, I'm here at Caledonian Thistle, and we're gonna take this club from the 3rd division all the way to the Champions League in 7 seasons! Also we're gonna have every player have a massive forehead, I like to challenge myself."

[@davyjones4910]

This is sad, I couldn’t imagine what would happen if my hockey team went down. It would be like if spurs went down tbf

[@bipedalame]

If they go bust there is every chance they won't reform and the pre merger clubs of Thistle and Caledonian start over in the highland league(5th tier)

[@scottchapman3937]

3:05 - Collusion? 😅

[@Giantzz]

Zealand Inverness CT Fm25 save confirmed

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@Giantzz which will happen first ICT collapsing or fm25 being in a playable state

[@Giantzz]

@@simplesimonhadapie heat death of the universe

[@Darilon12]

If they want to go down fraud road anyway I've got a proposal. They could sell small patches of their pitch. I've heard your can call yourself Lord for owning land in Scotland. 😂

[@Kyleterp1]

You should buy the club zealand

[@BALHAM69]

True.. inverness are in a mess.😅

[@OhJustSomeRandomGuy]

More like...InverMESS. HA HA HA

[@kleptrep94]

Is this why my Scottish side (Annan Athletic) have just given up playing football because they might survive through necessity and not merit?

[@TakerlukeGaming]

Genuinely please never say Daniel levy don't spend what he don't have I love you and your videos but please trust me when I say it's not the comparison your looking for

[@darkjudge8786]

Not really a drama if it folds. A new team will be created, will start in tier 4 and be back where ICT is in 2 years without the debt. 3rd tier Scotland is not a high bar.

[@fpsoccer9791]

You know, if i was hella rich id buy the club. I love soccer and always wanted to see the behind the scenes. But im too stupid to actually put any input into any decisions so... pay and pray 🙏

[@djevo5662]

Best think that can happen is them going under and the fans starting the club as a phoenix club like bury and many more. Leave the debt on the people that created it. American sports clubs mute not go bankrupt but the tax payer has to pay for a billionaires new stadium that he mite decide to move to the other side of the country

[@W417on]

Think we know what club youre managing on fm25

[@Carrenho997]

Hi public, I'm dad

[@Lorric101]

American teams moving is worse. If Inverness dies, a phoenix club can rise. If an American team moves, that town is just fucked because it's a closed shop and they now have no way in. Oh and American teams don't move to save the team. They move to maximise profits. And they don't go under because they're playing on easy mode with artificially created monopolies on vast areas. Someone in that city / stste can't just decide they can build a better team than them and compete against them for that fanbase.

[@sebz019]

Why don't they sell club shares to the public to raise money? Worked with Real Murcia etc

[@simplesimonhadapie]

One of the best scottish football headlines comes from this club when they knocked out john barnes celtic. Super caley go ballistic celtic are atrocious

[@daviebananas1735]

Super Caley

[@simplesimonhadapie]

I don't know what I did that 🤣

[@josetamez5679]

I don't know if you talked about it before but you should do something about how Mexican fans are boycotting Liga MX for them to bring back relegation

[@umepojke6579]

Could the "company that owns the club but not the club itself" not just liquidate and then ICT can start next season one division lower but with no debt? The SFA have already set a precedent that liquidated clubs can start in league 2 with Rangers and ICT could still claim to be the same club. In all seriousness though, ICT could state that since Rangers got into league 2 after liquidation that they should also get in instead of having to start in the highland leagues otherwise it would show preferential treatment to Rangers. How would the SFA deny that without admitting to 'preferential treatment' for Rangers? Surely you can't have teams start in different leagues after the same financial process of liquidation?

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@umepojke6579 Celtic did exactly this when Fergus mccann bought them literally saving them from administration by changing the plc. Of course don't name them because it's totally different as Celtic would have existed had McCann not done this 🤣

[@umepojke6579]

@@simplesimonhadapie So Celtic didn't do what I wrote then, as it didn't involve liquidation...? Or are you suggesting that Celtic cleared their debts by liquidating the parent company and forming a plc? If yes, then why did Rangers not do this instead of being liquidated? Someone buying a club in debt and then changing the company format is different than being liquidated, you understand that right? If Celtic wouldn't have existed if McCann hadn't done that, does that mean that you agree that the old Rangers don't exist? Thus making the new Rangers a different club?

[@qexband9427]

I've no horse inthe race but frankly The SFA were way too lenient on Rangers when you compare it to the Gretna situation. I think full expulsion should have been the precedent, especially when it was effectively a new club. Sadly, money talks and had it been any other scottish league club other than Rangers or Celtic I think that the Gretna precedent would have been upheld.

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@umepojke6579 no changing the plc is irrelevant however you do it. Celtic were going into administration not even liquidation as in the club would no longer exists. The new plc bought the club before this the only difference being that but bricks and mortar are what make the club not a plc. The two events meant both our clubs would have failed to exist but easier in a time of cheap credit to get a consortium together than after an international banking crisis. Both clubs require each other and Celtic spent a decade losing in Europe relegating us to a third nation level. Be thankful now you get the respite of huge cash injections for failing in Europe simply because your opponents keep managing European football after Christmas and paying for raising the coefficient. That will be how we managed two European finals Sandwiched in despite the financial hurdles

[@umepojke6579]

@@simplesimonhadapie If it was the same process why did one team have to start in the 3rd division and the others didn't? Why could the players of one club leave for free but not the others?

[@Elliottw97]

a WHAT investor?

[@reverendroar]

ICT just proves that the rich clubs get richer and the poorer ones continue to get poorer and liquidate. Bury and Bangor 1878 FC are other examples of this. We really do have to start caring about who owns clubs and where the money is going

[@Sigurd-r5]

Doesn't the Scottish FA have any way of assisting clubs in this financial situation?

[@daviebananas1735]

Assisting what? A club who massively overspent money they didn’t have? Why would the SFA throw millions of pounds at them to plug the hole for a few years? They don’t have the money even if they wanted to, but this is ICT fault.

[@duncankeary6767]

Have a look at the financials of the Scottish game dude. It's always the same outside of maybe the top 4 clubs. Prize money is awful and attendances outwith the old firm games is poor. ICT probably overspent in an effort to survive in the top flight and it's cost them dearly. Even to enter the top division you need to have a 10k seated stadium to meet regulations

[@SamButler22]

English League One clubs lose about 5 million a year; 1.2 for a Scottish League One sounds about right

[@Bowleskov]

Good Zealandism but I'm old enough to remember the 2 season USFL so yes US clubs do fold, You are also old enough to remember the XFL and lets not get started with Miami Fusion and Tampa Bay Mutiny. As a Reading fan I have every sympathy with ICT fans, but at least the people trying to salvage their club aren't starting a suspension from Football like Nigel Howe.

[@stopspyingonme9210]

2 million ain't that much with the Internet and all. They were 1st division at one point. How hard could getting back up be with the right investment. Any Ryan Reynolds out there want to buy them? P Diddy want to salvage your reputation? Lol

[@ratonbox]

Surprised at how bad are football club owners at running a business? Did the act of buying a club not give it away already?

[@ayeready6050]

Caley Thistle in the mud. Love to see it 😍

[@kevinwolfenden4685]

Internet etiquette question here. I like the content, appreiate it, but putting a "Like" on a terrible story somehow feels wrong. What do I do?

[@daviebananas1735]

The teams don’t fold thing is such a nonsense take. The multi billion pound franchises in cities with populations larger than Scotland don’t fold no. Obviously not. ICT are a small team in a small city in a small country where there is very little money coming in to the sport. It’s not comparable. Plenty of teams and indeed leagues in the US have folded at lower levels.

[@Chu4agu3]

If you like this types of content you should check out Boavista from Portugal. For many years they are battling with money issue. From being relegated a few years back due to money problems to winning the case in court and going back to the first division and now not being able to sign in new players two years in a row it is crazy. they are playing u-19 players that were relegated (i believe). To add to this the amount of presidents that are under criminal investigation is something special. But with all of this they are still in the first division.