#ZeeJLF2017

By Steppe, Desert and Ocean: The Birth of Eurasia:
Barry Cunliffe introduced by Tim Whitmarsh Presented by Aga Khan Foundation

[@terrayjos]

love hearing this but really wish I could see the slides

[@haroldbearden6273]

We don't need to see the speaker to hear him, but it would be helpful to see the slides to understand what he is talking about.

[@bredmond812]

He wrote a book, you know. It has the same title as the title of this book.

[@MymilanitalyBlogspot]

My thoughts, exactly, but I wonder if it's for copyright reasons.

[@perrywidhalm114]

Another excellent lecture from Sir Barry Cunliffe. Thank you! for uploading this talk.

[@Nounismisation]

So many ideas brimming to come out of him. He bubbles over. Wonderful to be able to listen to just a little bit. Thanks for posting, Zee and even more thanks to you, Barry.

[@SEKreiver]

Cunliffe didn't mention the FIRST "predatory nomads"--the Cimmerians. They blazed the trail for the Scythians et al. The Cimmerians are even mentioned in the Bible as the "Gomer".

[@malinauvanova2195]

Min 7:08 The OLDEST GOLD artifacts on Earth! The 6500 old man's skeleton surrounded by gold objects, is now exhibited in Varna archeological museum. It is from Varna, (BG) necropolis .Belonged to a Chalcolithic salt trading town. Evidence for the emerging class division in the late neolithic world. Very important facts omitted for unknown reason.

[@valitolkyn6467]

Gd lct. Thanks from Kazakhstan!

[@nukhetyavuz]

strongly agree ur theory...poor they didnt show much slides but filmed the people instead...i love ur story...turkic nomads ancestry and their horses...👍👍👍

[@kingoftheworld22]

mongolia have great history and great khans 🤘🏽💪🏽

[@TolaRat]

Slides anyone - hello!? No one thought to make the visuals visible? 😒

[@owl6218]

many of you are pointing out that slides are not visible, and that there is noise in the background. yes, they should have captured the slides. but the noise is part of the deal. I have been to there one year, and it is an open air fair type event. with talks and discussions going on close by, people moving around slowly, taking it all in. It is very lively, and once you find your kind of author, it is very exciting. These are not indepth talks, and not made for youtube. Sometimes the speakers sit down comfortably in sofas, for the presentation, and the discussion with the panel and the audience

[@JasenAsia]

Brilliant book - By Steppe, Desert and Ocean: The Birth of Eurasia

[@dannsherstone1037]

I stopped watching at 11:00. Very sad that we cannot see the slides.

[@Nounismisation]

Who are the people that won't shut up in the backgroud? (!) Because, you know, Fark Oarf!

[@fercos33]

SLIDES

[@alext7268]

Would have been nice to see the slides.

[@reidarkaas4037]

I like your teory as atlantic celtic as an interlingua, if I understood it right. But I am as norwegian a little offended of not including scandinavia in the road of trading and cultur. Classic writers descibe norwegian west coast people as belgicae. I fact they had several tribal names as: morini (møringer) tryer (trøndere) rugiones (rogalendinger) and so on. In east hader (hadelendinger). In the west you had gulatingsloven which decended from gauls name and which you can find several places. You will also find names from north France and Belgia. Renamed here. As Mjøsa (biggest lake) from Meuse. Stjørdalselva from Chiur and a lot of others. All places with metall sources. As tin and copper and later amber, fur and later iron. The "fjordhest" one of our national horseraces is described as clearly celtic. These teories was early known, but it was not coherent whith the point of wiev (nation building) as norwegians as original inhabitant hunter and gatherer. New Dna research show that this is not the case at all. Most norwegians decended from various origins and hoplogroups. A man writes about it is Sveinung Gihle Raddum metallurgist here is a link to his work :norik.net/NORIC/BOK%204.htm which are highly recommandable.

[@mileshall9235]

When you've got a hammer, everything is a nail

[@levitatingoctahedron922]

39:00 shunting isn't the only way these developments come to pass, especially once horses come strongly into play. regional warfare results in alliances forming to combat alliances, growing larger until eventually a swollen army comes out on top of the other. there is then now a large experienced highly mobile military force with nothing to do. this is how the mongols formed, and is worthy to consider when looking further back into steppe military movements.

[@baconsans431]

Mughals came to India from the East too (Chenggis khan descendants)

[@flowermeerkat6827]

This man is brilliant but I love the way he "doesn't judge" Ghengis Khan but is judgey about building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. He seems to think it's okay to invade other regions so maybe the U.S. shouldn't build a wall but just invade Mexico? Just a thought!

[@anthonyoer4778]

@2manynegativewaves Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

[@phillipallen3041]

No, that isn't what he is saying at all. He is just trying to not judge historical figures by modern standards. Modern individuals most certainly should be held to modern standards.

[@rdf098311]

@@phillipallen3041 good point. Concept should be applied to other historical figures under fire as well.

[@mavisemberson8737]

Climate certainly had a great effect in prehistory Changes of vegetation made people move to keep their livelihoods. It mostly has natural causes as Professor Zeuner at the Institute of Archaeology University of London in the 1950s explained. It's worth looking back on older archaeologists. and also too listen to Professor Cunliffe who speaks of recent investigations.

[@regular-joe]

Didn't even bother watching as the slides were not going to be visible. That just speaks of careless and uncaring organizers, though not the presenters' faults. Disappointing.

[@skipacuff5104]

What’s the problem with the folks who present videos of this scholar’s lectures with piss poor, stupid camera work that deprives the viewer of the benefit of the professor’s slides? See his lecture about the origins of the Celts with the same inept camera work. Absolutely inexcusable.

[@sunnydime7212]

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[@rdf098311]

Simplistic analogy about walls. A multitude of differences between the situations compared. Generalized statements about walls do not account for such multiple variants. Virtue signaling statements should be left out and topic at hand stuck to. As we see now the policies this man must have opposed worked. Now that those policies were removed we see the predictable results.

[@jorgikralj905]

South of Ljubljana was faund >5000bc full whell!

[@csabas1971]

The first question in 50. How is the Indian HISTORY approaching. The Indians know from the school about Indoscityan age, they learning grate Scythian Indian kings like Ashoka, Kaniska Nihiragula, till the Mogul India connecting to the Hun world. And the professor don't know anything about his. Finally Mr Geza Varga find the languange of the Scityans There is many written text with the old alphabet, witch is readable in Hungarian. During this 10.000 years many neighbour like Chineese or Saxon was copy the Scythian runa. The Saxon runa 67% similar, and a Saxon elite was writing in Hungarian for a couple of centuries. In the list of Saxon kings 17 of them was buptised as Attila. The first one AETELstan, if you open the wikipedia, hard to read the text, becouse almost every boy was buptised as Etel. The germanic languange family call the HUN capital ETEL'Sburg. UK is full of pyramid type buildings. Herodotos says the Scyhtians was use those ones as MARSH temple. So UK have many wave of Hun history, there is many written Hungarian text on the Saxon and the Karoling and the Ostrogoth and the Longobard and the Visigoth artifacts. When Vulfilla made the Goth alphabet around 350, he put HUN and Latin and Greek characters to the goth alphabet. The European historians have no knowledge about hits things. So sorry for that!

[@mkelkar1]

English is an Indo European language of the West Germanic branch. English milk, Tocharian malke, Latin mulgeo, Old Irish melg, Greek amelgo, Russian moloko and so forth. Linguistic, textual, genetic and archaeological evidence for the Out of India Theory of Indo European Languages Baghpat Chariots, Weapons and the Horse in the Harappan Civilization - Dr. BK Manjul kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIvZfKOgn7mjnck Findings from the latest genetic study conducted by ASI in collaboration with the Reich Lab at Harvard using ancient DNA from Rakhigarhi slides at 29:00 mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/eprSZHimZdOfrJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGW6d55mnqp-a80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGGvmGSYlJ2Ba5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6ispmaaitigqrs Here are the tribes that spread the Indo European languages from South Asia to West Asia, Central Asia and to Europe Avestan) Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Sairima (Śimyu), Dahi (Dāsa). NE Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Nuristani/Piśācin (Viṣāṇin). Pakhtoonistan (NW Pakistan), South Afghanistan: Iranian: Pakhtoon/Pashtu (Paktha). Baluchistan (SW Pakistan), SE Iran: Iranian: Bolan/Baluchi (Bhalāna). NE Iran: Iranian: Parthian/Parthava (Pṛthu/Pārthava). SW Iran: Iranian: Parsua/Persian (Parśu/Parśava). NW Iran: Iranian: Madai/Mede (Madra). Uzbekistan: Iranian: Khiva/Khwarezmian (Śiva). W. Turkmenistan: Iranian: Dahae (Dāsa). Ukraine, S, Russia: Iranian: Alan (Alina), Sarmatian (Śimyu). Turkey: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Phryge/Phrygian (Bhṛgu). Romania, Bulgaria: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Dacian (Dāsa). Greece: Greek: Hellene (Alina). Albania: Albanian: Sirmio (Śimyu). Shrikant Gangadhar Talageri talageri.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-rigveda-and-aryan-theory-rational_27.html Five waves of Indo-European expansion: a preliminary model (2018) Igor A Tonoyan-Belyayev I. Tonoyan-Belyayev www.academia.edu/36998766/Five_waves_of_Indo-European_expansion_a_preliminary_model_2018_

[@mkelkar1]

Dyaus Pitar (Vedic), Zeus Pater (Greek), Jupiter (Roman), Dei Patrous (Illyrian), Dievs (Baltic). Uṣas (Vedic), Eos (Greek), Aurora (Roman), Aushrine (Baltic). Varuṇa (Vedic), Odinn/Wodan (Germanic), Ouranous (Greek), Velinas (Baltic). Asura (Vedic), Aesir (Germanic), Ahura (Avestan). Marut (Vedic), Ares (Greek), Mars (Roman). Parjanya (Vedic), Perkunas (Baltic), Perunu (Slavic), Fjorgyn (Germanic). Traitana (Vedic), Thraetaona (Avestan), Triton (Greek). Aryaman (Vedic), Airyaman (Avestan), Ariomanus/Eremon (Celtic). Saramā/Sārameya (Vedic), Hermes (Greek). Pūṣan, Paṇi (Vedic), Pan (Greek), Vanir (Germanic). Rudra (Vedic), Ruglu (Slavic). Danu (Vedic), Danu (Irish). Indra (Vedic), Indra (Avestan), Inara (Hittite). Śarvara (Vedic), Kerberos (Greek). Śrī (Vedic), Ceres (Greek), Freyr/Freya (Germanic). Bhaga (Vedic), Baga (Avestan), Bog (Slavic). Apām Napāt (Vedic), Apām Napāt (Avestan), Neptunus (Roman), Nechtain (Celtic). Ṛbhu (Vedic), Elbe (Germanic). Yama (Vedic), Yima (Avestan), Ymir (Germanic).

[@rdf098311]

He should explain how going to these places today tells him anything about life there thousands of years ago since he kept stressing how the climate changed (more than once). Perhaps climate change is more of a tweak to how people live than a major upheaval?

[@jordanbell4736]

Topography

[@Samuray1955]

The descendants of the Scythians belong to the native speakers of the Türkic languages (translated from Russian) “Scientists from the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Siberia Branch of the Academy of Sciences (Russia), together with colleagues from Germany, the USA and France, conducted the largest genetic study of carriers of the Scythian culture from all over Eurasia in order to understand the demographic foundations of the history of the Scythians. It turned out that the Scythians from different ends of the Eurasian steppe are closer to each other than to other peoples, and their descendants belong to the speakers of the Turkic languages. The research results are presented in the journal Nature Communications.” www.sib-science.info/ru/institutes/skify-okazalis-predkami-03032017?fbclid=IwAR0D6fefbc_mu549OpNgNDHqBSOwAztb1Ad5uIBTrGNUx-WwN5g9WrPXiA8 Scientists worked with genome-wide data on eight individuals and mitochondrial DNA of 96 people who lived in the first millennium BC in the Eurasian steppe, from the Black Sea region to Altai. It turned out that behind the unity of the Scythian culture of the Iron Age, traced by archaeological discoveries, lies a genetic unity. Despite the fact that the Scythians of eastern and western Eurasia originally belonged to different peoples, over time, the flow of genes, going in both directions, led to the unification of this people throughout the steppe. As for the origin of the Scythians, the researchers distinguish two main components: the peoples of the Yamnaya culture (Eurasian nomads of the Bronze Age) and the peoples of East Asia (northern Siberia). As for the descendants of the Scythians, genetically closest to them are modern populations living near the Scythian burials excavated by archaeologists - which indicates some continuity between population groups. The descendants of the Western Scythians can be found among the various peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, and the eastern ones - only among the Turkic-speaking peoples (the Kypchak language group). The last link requires a separate study: it is usually believed that the expansion of the Turkic languages in Eurasia began much later, from the 6th century AD. The influence of the Scythians on the ethnogenesis of the Turkic peoples can be clarified in the framework of future genetic studies.

[@levitatingoctahedron922]

9:40 "and still I think does take the lead in the development of culture" probably deliberate political obtuseness to avoid recognizing that the vast amount of human technology for over a century has come from north america, as well as the globalized culture that spreads english language better than england via hollywood and the internet etc. edit: 40:50 yep, political bias. embarrassing for a historian. learn from all of that history you study and do your best to avoid the blinders of modern political bias, it damages your credibility. choose your specialty and stick to it.

[@thomasthomas9795]

Stop saying bad things about Trump.

[@margyrowland]

Started fine then gets bogged down with PC greenie BS, oh well

[@movingpicutres99]

When climate changes adapt fast. Change is too rapid now for many life forms.

[@movingpicutres99]

Margy Rowland Minute 55. Mongolia.

[@rdf098311]

@@movingpicutres99 life has always bounced back. Perhaps it will continue that pattern. Things changed instantly when meteor hit 60 million years ago.