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Zelda Theory - The Effects Of The DARKEST Timeline

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Dr.Wily

Dr.Wily

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Today we are going to take a look at the origin, secrets, mysteries, history and story of the downfall timeline of the zelda series. In this timeline ganon won and link the hero of time was defeated and princess zelda had to solve it on her own. There are multiple games set in this timeline like the legend of Zelda a link to the past, the legend of Zelda a link between worlds, the legend of Zelda triforce heroes and more. But how did this effect the races like the hylians, gorons and zoras? And what happened to hyrule castle and town? Well time to find out!
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@DeadPieYT
@DeadPieYT 7 жыл бұрын
Dr. Wily doesn't have a Zelda month... HE HAS A ZELDA YEAR! EACH YEAR!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+DeadPieGamer DAB!
@zariyahvaughn8663
@zariyahvaughn8663 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily you always give me facts of ZELDA thanks
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
no problem :)
@puffeliz
@puffeliz 7 жыл бұрын
Dr Willy is Zelda fan not a mega man fan
@sadovuato
@sadovuato 7 жыл бұрын
He could use some funny stuff like PBGs Zelda month which is better because ish funny.but I love these theories!!
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 7 жыл бұрын
The Zora's change is linked to the quality of water that they live in. They are extremely adaptive as we can see. When the water was pure and sacred, they became the Zoras that we all know and love from Orcria of time, but when the water is polluted and dirty, the become hideous, hostile monsters.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Oren becomes all "fat" when her spring isn't pure and infact is dirty and dark. The scale purges the water and her body.
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 7 жыл бұрын
kotlolish That scale probably belonged to the water dragon in Skyward Sword, where the ancestors of the Zoras were located and served her.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Who knows... The anchestors were never confirmed by nintendo. Wich is why it didnt appear in the evoltuion video. There are ALOT of things Nintendo say that debunk easily explainable facts.
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 7 жыл бұрын
kotlolish It is kinda confirmed due to those release images of the Phantom Zoras which are a stage of evolution between those squids from Skyward Sword and the Zoras in Orcria of time.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
I really wish that would been enough, but trust me.. there are alot of silly nintendo things in Hyrule Historia that makes you rip your hair out. "I want to confirm this theory" The biggest offense to this is Four Sword Adventures. Great game but lore wise and time line wise... it breaks everything. Even Nintendo's current timeline since certain objects and items shouldn't be there.
@M7dragon3
@M7dragon3 7 жыл бұрын
The river Zora are a different type of Zora altogether. Them and the normal Zoras actually hate eachother as learned in one of the gameboy games. The Normal Zoras (i think they are ocean or sea zoras) are actually in a similar position to the gorons where they just dont live in Hyrule anymore.
@Frosthief
@Frosthief 7 жыл бұрын
Those aren't canon
@M7dragon3
@M7dragon3 7 жыл бұрын
Frosthief Rants that happens in oracle of ages. it wouldnt be canon if they were in links awakening as that would have only been a part of links dream but the oracle games are 100% canon.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
All the "sea" type Zora's aren't in Hyrule. They live in spring of water or rivers.
@M7dragon3
@M7dragon3 7 жыл бұрын
kotlolish i am thinking of the breed from ocarina. I just dont remember which one they are specifically. My point is that they have a similar fate to that of the gorons in this timeline as they emigrated from hyrule and into other lands. In the video it makes it sound like they died out.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
It's possible. But they would fight against Ganon non the less. You know they would. Also we cannot be 100% sure that Gorons and Zora's are HYRULIAN only. There are other kingdoms and the world of Zelda is much bigger. After all Termina isn't hyrule and they are there. Phantom Hourglass takes place in another reality and they are there. Gorons appear in New Hyrule. And the oracle games got it too. Also we know they can change rapidly acording to Wind Waker (Kokiri as well but the Zora's are more drastic) It makes more sense for them to be wiped out or corrupted. Otherwise the Goron's moved to alot of places and we know Gorons are well survivors as seen in Wind Waker. In the Trading Side Quest. You are always trading with Goron Merchants that traveled far and wide. So it's clear that gorons are atleast everywhere in the world.
@katlyco9646
@katlyco9646 5 жыл бұрын
The Gorons are gone because they starved to death without Link going in and clearing out their favorite rock mine
@cgtonic3637
@cgtonic3637 7 жыл бұрын
Didn't Miyamoto say that the Magic Sword from Zelda 1 was the Master sword just without the name yet?
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+cellogamer GAMING could have been it was early on in development but I didn't find this quote but It could be true
@WataruTakagii
@WataruTakagii 5 жыл бұрын
I can't even imagine the faces of Nintendo developers when they learned about all these theories about every little game design changes they made :D dev1: "Let's place kakariko hear, right below the lost woods, it's nicer" dev2: "can do" *10 years later* fans: "it's clear that there was a massive genocide and a big war that made kakariko move to the west" I mean c'mon guys Nintendo changes the map because it would be ass boring to reuse the locations as fans would already know where most things are.
@thelegendofthem6120
@thelegendofthem6120 5 жыл бұрын
Haha exactly. They have flat out said that they leave the story to the end, which is why things don't make sense most of the time. The timeline is just a cashgrab in the form of a book and now videos BUT...it's still fun to think about even though it's basically mostly fan fiction.
@TheGamersState
@TheGamersState 7 жыл бұрын
Can someone at Nintendo just hire this guy as the director for the next Zelda game? Seriously, he'd be perfect!
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Don't get me started XD Personally I would love to rewrite the timeline to make more sense. CAUSE THERE IS A POSSIBLITY FOR A 4TH TIMELINE and a split..
@nworder4life
@nworder4life 7 жыл бұрын
I think it all makes sense, sure there are some things that don't fit but it's better to have a timeline than to have nothing imo. I think BOTW takes place right after OOT and before ALTTP. I have a feeling cataclysms eve refers to the time of calamity ganon.
@TheGamersState
@TheGamersState 7 жыл бұрын
nworder4life The only problem I have with the official Zelda Timeline is the "Dead Timeline". I don't understand how that universe can exist if Link was victorious against Ganon.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Personally.. that is where nintendo messed up. But there is more then the zelda timeline then Nintendo wants to tell.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Ninetales Commander #makezeldagreatagain
@pylon2144
@pylon2144 7 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, Wily! I feel like you and the other members of the Chamber if Sages are very underrated youtubers. Keep up the amazing work!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Reviewer Of Things we will and hopefully we will one day become less underrated :p thanks :)
@MrHydra12
@MrHydra12 7 жыл бұрын
I SUBBED two days ago and have seen all your videos now since I binge watched 😂
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+MrHydra12 my god that's over 600 mins of me hahaha great that you like it so much :)
@MrHydra12
@MrHydra12 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily yes it was awesome :D
@jazza3529
@jazza3529 7 жыл бұрын
Congrats 45,000 subscribers! :D
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Jazz A we made it :D
@MicktendoIsBest
@MicktendoIsBest 7 жыл бұрын
I just noticed when I close my eyes... I can't see.
@dem7905
@dem7905 7 жыл бұрын
Micktendo Oooo my god
@steppe7369
@steppe7369 7 жыл бұрын
Micktendo my god... you have been diagnosed with a disease called closed eye blindness!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Micktendo 0_0 DAD! I NEED TO TELL YOU SOMETHING!
@MicktendoIsBest
@MicktendoIsBest 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily lol :3
@parciaspivey
@parciaspivey 7 жыл бұрын
Micktendo I'm sorry sir BUTT you have a rare desiese of Blindness! The only way you can get rid of it is having Navi follow you around for 10 Years!
@yaboilink2359
@yaboilink2359 7 жыл бұрын
They must've forgotten about the Master Sword in the those 2 games... Dinkleberg....!!!
@Zeldur
@Zeldur 7 жыл бұрын
Confirmed: The Fairly Oddparents take place outside of Hyrule.
@silvermetallix6687
@silvermetallix6687 7 жыл бұрын
Lost to the ages as seasons passed The master sword was only remembered as the two worlds combine.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Sasugay Uchiha hahaha well they where pretty early on it where the first 2 games after all
@yaboilink2359
@yaboilink2359 7 жыл бұрын
Lmao I'm just saiyan... This is Dinkleberg we're talking about. We can bank on him having something to do with it missing. 😂😂😂 Jokes aside, I always enjoy your LoZ theories, Dr. Wily!
@isaacdenley1922
@isaacdenley1922 5 жыл бұрын
@@yaboilink2359 no it was definitely dinkleberg he stole it because he is pure evil
@hospee
@hospee 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as usual! I would like to, however, point out one grammatical error that I hear in your video (as well as many others). When referring to something that can be quantified, in this case people, we should not say "less;" instead, we should say "fewer." For example: -Does the recipe call for 5 cups of water or fewer? (Appropriate because cups of water can be quantified) -If your spouse cooked soup and you felt as if it were too salty you could ask for less water. (Water is not quantifiable. Cups of water, molecules of water, number of atoms of Hydrogen in water are quantifiable, etc.) I hope this helps! I just want to make sure that your videos remain top quality and grammar, while not always practiced correctly, is indicative of care and thought. Thanks for reading this through!!
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Both me and Wily are Dutch are kind of unable to pick them up sometimes. But hanks!
@hospee
@hospee 7 жыл бұрын
kotlolish As a native English speaker it took me 20 years to realize that. I understand how it's challenging. With practice anything can become easier! I also admire those who are not native speakers that attempt to speak other languages. Wily is very well spoken!!! 👌🏽👌🏽
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Hospicio Yballe so if you can count it fewer and if you cannot count it less?
@hospee
@hospee 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily you got it!!!!
@thelegendofthem6120
@thelegendofthem6120 5 жыл бұрын
No...remember Queen Oren in a Link Between Worlds warns Link that some of her people are hostile and territorial even before her being kidnapped. Some of them are nice like the 3 that are inside with her in the waterfall cave.
@nodo132
@nodo132 7 жыл бұрын
can you really judge differences in map scale or town placement etc from oot and lttp when the prequel to the series was made years after the original games? most of these videos compare design choices far too far apart or hardware limitations. also are people assuming that the games need to happen literally right after each other? i always took the timelines as an order, like real myths, its not rigid and there could be large gaps in time between games to the point that each games story becomes legend and not fact
@bobowon5450
@bobowon5450 7 жыл бұрын
but that's just a theory.....A GAME THEORY!!!!!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Bobo Won wrong channel :p
@bobowon5450
@bobowon5450 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily PANCAKE SAMA NOTICED ME!!!!!!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
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@bobowon5450
@bobowon5450 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily omg he is still noticing me!!!!! ♥_♥
@PocketPhox
@PocketPhox 7 жыл бұрын
P-p... Pancake... Sama...? ok.
@mistslam90
@mistslam90 7 жыл бұрын
since link turned into a bunny when he goes to the dark world would we take that to mean he is always super sexed up all the time?
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Travis Stindt hahahah bunnies equal sex?
@mistslam90
@mistslam90 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily they breed like crazy. Hinting they never stop sexing it up🤣
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
true thats why we shoot them in the netherlands they destroy everything :P
@Ginevrasn
@Ginevrasn 7 жыл бұрын
Quick and agile Link.
@woteveruk1
@woteveruk1 7 жыл бұрын
nah, he turns into a PINK bunny, so we should assume he he's just going to keep going, and going and going and going
@lomiification
@lomiification 6 жыл бұрын
it seems like the Zora just moved from hylia to labrynna, considering Jabu Jabu is there. Maybe the river Zora aren't Zora at all, but some other monster that took over the rivers when the Zora left?
@sneet8586
@sneet8586 7 жыл бұрын
You're right about the Gorons - with Biggoron on their side huge, massive effective swords would be forged and he'd just sit on Ganon and *poof*.
@LinkMEP
@LinkMEP 7 жыл бұрын
Anju is still alive in the future part of Ocarina of Time. She was involved in a trading quest with her brother.
@Antasma1
@Antasma1 7 жыл бұрын
I think he meant after
@MrJWTH
@MrJWTH 7 жыл бұрын
There is another possibility regarding the Zoras. In Oracle of Ages one of the Sea Zoras stated that they should not be mistaken for the savage River Zoras. While that took place in a different world it's possible that the Zoras from the decline timeline were a different group that killed the other group and took over.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Possibly. There are also evil sea zora in Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks. PH is in another reality. Spirit tracks is in another country.
@Werewolf914
@Werewolf914 7 жыл бұрын
They probably fled to the land in OoA and OoS and then once they left the River Zora took over their domain.
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
But they been in labrynna for over 100's of years. With a different Jabu Jabu. Oracle of Ages takes place AFTER Link to the past. Infact.. this part is where it gets more confusing to me. Link's awakening comes after Oracles as it makes Link want to train in case Ganon comes back again... with the triforce following him as 3 seagulls. Infact in the downfall time line.. the Triforce seems more alive then anything.. But eh. They could have fled or were turned or a combination of all.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Mr. JH hmm small chance there is no clue for this or hint then it must have happened literally out of nowhere
@WillStrop2008
@WillStrop2008 7 жыл бұрын
A Link to the Past is set a millennium after Ocarina of Time, as opposed to Twilight Princess being a century after Majora's Mask. So, as you alluded to, it is a much larger time gap. Also, if you reread that section of the Historia describing A Link to the Past and the events leading to it, you will find that the Pedestal in the Woods found in A Link to the Past is indeed the remnant of the Temple of Time. The New Lost Woods grew over the site of the former Castle Town, and the reason you don't see remnants of buildings (other than a small part of the Temple of Time, which might be preserved by some sort of magic) is because they have completely rotted away by then. By the way, although Kakariko Village has been moved as you rightly point out, the Village Graveyard in A Link to the Past is at the location of Ocarina of Time Kakariko Village. You even pick up a Piece of Heart (in A Link to the Past) from what is left of the Shadow Temple, a shallow cave with everything else being permanently sealed off. Maybe I'm missing something on this last point, but personally, I've always thought the Deadrock enemies in A Link to the Past *were* Gorons and that they suffered a similar fate to the Zoras, eventually becoming hostile.
@WideMouth
@WideMouth 7 жыл бұрын
I think that they just rebuilt Hyrule Castle south of Death Mountain after Ganondorf destroyed the first one. This would mean that the Kakariko Village in ALttP is the same one from OoT. The moat around the new Hyrule Castle most likely redirect the Zora river creating a new Lake Hylia while Hyrule Field from OoT dried up into a desert because of the lack of water from the Zora River. Between Ganon's imprisonment in the Dark World and the reconstruction of Hyrule Castle the Lost Woods spread up into where Castle Town used to be. When the Hylians rebuilt Hyrule Castle they chopped down the original Lost Woods, but the forest around Castle Town remained. The Master Sword rests in the ruins of the Temple of Time (the Hyrule Hystoria says that it does rest within the ruins of an ancient temple) deep within this new Lost Woods.
@metaltom2003
@metaltom2003 7 жыл бұрын
The way I see it, the Temple of Time was converted into the Sanctuary, which would keep its placement pretty similar to where it was in OoT. The pedestal room was converted into a secret passage and the Door of Time was changed to an altar with a hidden passage that leads to the new Hyrule Castle. The Master Sword was most likely moved to hide it in the new Lost Woods, in hopes that a new Hero would arise. But that's just a theory...
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+metaltom2003 not a bad synopsis :) makes sense
@RobbWes
@RobbWes 7 жыл бұрын
Oracle of ages have a separate peaceful zora race that live in the ocean. And one even says that river zora are rude brutes.
@dragonking322
@dragonking322 6 жыл бұрын
soo i'm like two years late to the party.. but did anyone else notice that ganon won so hard in the downfall timeline that it destroyed the third dimension? well at least until a link between worlds came out and ruined that with it's whole notion of depth!.. Who needs Depth in 2D zelda? not Me i say
@MrZangetsu468
@MrZangetsu468 5 жыл бұрын
The depth in ALBW wasn't necessary but it was actually well executed.
@henrygutierrez3243
@henrygutierrez3243 7 жыл бұрын
I have a theory that Hyrule is actually multiple locations. My reasoning comes from Adventure of Link where Hyrule is so vast, it cover whole continents with various palaces castles and towns. Is it so far to stretch that there are multuple Hyrule Castles?
@theminishcat76
@theminishcat76 7 жыл бұрын
9:15 I KNEW TIMMY'S DAD WAS GANON THE WHOLE TIME *insert lenny face here*
@RamenBrawler32
@RamenBrawler32 7 жыл бұрын
You know what? River zora's can be like "Anti-Zoras" which can explain why they look so different so Ganon's version so they both have the same weakness and strengths but stronger.
@nelsonmonterrosa1920
@nelsonmonterrosa1920 7 жыл бұрын
You are the best Dr. Wily, keep doing what you're doing! let's get to 1 million and beyond!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Nelson Monterrosa hahaha thanks also 1 million would be to much I wouldn't even want that :p
@nelsonmonterrosa1920
@nelsonmonterrosa1920 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily Well the quality of your work deserves a big prize, so as one of your fans I say thank you! Happy Zelda Month! (Its the last day😭😭😭)
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Nelson Monterrosa hahha thanks me and Kotlol (my editor) do our best :) I also hope you have a great zelda month :D
@nelsonmonterrosa1920
@nelsonmonterrosa1920 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily Keep at it guys, and thank you, you too!
@vyshnavvenkatesh4902
@vyshnavvenkatesh4902 6 жыл бұрын
This vid was made way before BotW was released,but in breath of the wild the master sword’s location is rezoned to the lost woods,and the temple of time still exists but it’s severely damaged and Ganon knows where the temple of time is so they probably moved it to hide it from him
@KaieSyrane
@KaieSyrane 7 жыл бұрын
So, I don't know if you ever considered this, but I tend to assume that after the decline of Hyrule in the downfall timeline, the bodies of water all over Hyrule weren't necessarily tended to or watched over. Under the reign of Ganondorf, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to believe that there was a lot of pollution in the rivers across Hyrule. I agree with and believe in the reasons you gave as to why the Zora act so different to Link, but could their drastic change in appearance be a result of polluted waters? I think it's plausible.
@zzvola
@zzvola 7 жыл бұрын
You should collaborate with peanutbuttergamer
@LinkMEP
@LinkMEP 7 жыл бұрын
The castle would not have been destroyed in Twilight Princess, it's in the child timeline.
@nonoctoro4933
@nonoctoro4933 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure ... For me, the Dark World is the Futur World of OOT, the sacred Realm. A parallel, a Mirror universe of Hyrule. Ganon win again Link, the Hero of Time, and get the True Triforce. He transformed into Ganon the Demon King and corrumpt the World into Dark World. Zelda, the sages and other Hylian flee to the past. Ganon never return to the Past, the sage close the Door of Time in the Temple of Time for sealing Ganon and the Triforce in the Sacred Realm. But ... many year later, convoyers know about the Triforce and Want it ! The Sealing War, convoyers take weapons and force the door of Time for go to the Sacred Realm ! But Ganon has corrupted this World into Dark World. And the convoyers transformed into Monster. The Door of Time was open and a army of Demon attack Hyrule, the Hyrule Knigth figth and many are dead during this battle ... The Sages Seal the Door of Time forever. The Temple of Time was destroy by the conflict, there only the Pedestal of Time with the Master Sword. Many year after, the Magic Lost Wood appared around for protect the Master Sword. But Ganon use a Alter-ego, Aganhim the Sorcerer to break the seal of Sage and ALTTP scenario. ... For Goron. Rosso is probably a Goron-Hylian mixed , the descedant of the Sage of fire Darumia. That means Goron and Hylian can have ... Sex relation ... and Child ? But ... Goron can be found Outside of Hyrule, in Labrynna and Holodrum. Goron in Skyward Sword left the Ordinn mountain after the Demise demonick attack. And rebuild a society only during Minish Cap after fondation of Hyrule, in the Goron Cave and return to mont Gonggle that confirmed by Carlov Goron figurine. Goron in ALTTP can just have to left Death Mountain and Hyrule maybe because a political conflict with Hylians and The Royal family or for Survive of Dark World Demons attack. For the Zora, in OOT, Zoras are weak and peaceful ... For survive, the obtain the capacity of shoot fire Balls and use magical water portal to go every where in Hyrule. River Zora and Zora came from a same ancestor, the are cousin. But the Royal Family of Zora lost their influence and many Zora become anarchist and bad. Like in ALBW. For kokiri ... perhaps they hid in the Forest ... in Korogu form ? This is How I see the Story ...
@MrZangetsu468
@MrZangetsu468 5 жыл бұрын
I like the theory about the Sacred Realm being Hyrule's destroyed future, but the issue is it was there since SS (implied to be the Silent Realm) which predates Ganondorf and Ganon by a mile. Cool theory though.
@diggychase
@diggychase 3 жыл бұрын
2:07 Perhaps the Deadrocks are the remaining Gorons who were brainwashed by Ganon?
@Negetive2digit
@Negetive2digit 7 жыл бұрын
There's an isolated village of sea Zora in Oracle of Ages so I wouldn't say that they didn't appear in that game. It just wasn't in Hyrule.
@mojo449
@mojo449 Жыл бұрын
I feel like dead rocks are the Gorrons. Pendant 1 is maybe where the bird humans resides.
@deckire
@deckire 7 жыл бұрын
You missed one, their are 3 games in that timeline that has the Master Sword, though it is unkown if you would count Link's Awakening (being the first Legend of Zelda to actually have the Master Sword in it)
@lynnboyes4066
@lynnboyes4066 5 жыл бұрын
You left out The Windwaker. The Master Sword is in that too. Or is that not in the downfall timeline?
@jpmessier11
@jpmessier11 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your content. I haven't beat Breath of the Wild yet (taking my sweet time), I'm just really glad there are other die hard Zelda fans out there.
@linkzellda
@linkzellda 6 жыл бұрын
The Downfall Timeline is a poor excuse for Nintendo to "fit" the other Zelda game pretty much proving that Nintendo doesn't care for inconsistency.
@HighPriestFuneral
@HighPriestFuneral 7 жыл бұрын
I will have to disagree on the Temple of Time. The Temple of Time being the Forest Pedestal isn't really backed up by the game itself, but the official artwork for ALBW shows a series of ruins around the Pedestal itself hinting that it was once a structure and not an anonymous pedestal. It's my belief that the Sealed Temple/Temple of Time/Sacred Grove/Forest Pedestal/Sunken Hyrule Castle are all one in the same and can be used as anchoring points to differentiate map changes that take place throughout the eras since only Link can draw the Master Sword (Skyward Sword goes farther and says only Link may wield it) it wouldn't make sense for it to continually move in such a fashion. I would say that the Sages would have tried to put the Master Sword back in its proper resting place to reseal one of the entrances into the Sacred Realm.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+HighPriestFuneral this might be true but in terms of location it doesn't work so that's why I don't see it happen that this is the same one as the one from the temple of time also it doesn't open the way to the sacred realm which it did do in ocarina of time
@potatoproductions47
@potatoproductions47 6 жыл бұрын
I think the zoras might of just evolved into river zoras because of their domain being frozen and destroyed so to make up they adapted to the rivers
@Ninjaananas
@Ninjaananas 7 жыл бұрын
Dam you Ganondorf! You blowed everything up!
@DaranDragon
@DaranDragon 7 жыл бұрын
Could we get a video that goes in depth on the geography and cartography shifts/changes throughout the time line (Lost Woods, ect ect ect) Ive tried looking at other sources on the subject and I still feel like there is more to be said on the subject.
@JadenMoon1475
@JadenMoon1475 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about Zelda 2, but you're wrong about Zelda 1: The "Magical Sword" obtained by Link having 12 Heart Containers, is essentially The Master Sword. Why they removed the 3 Trials of Virtue, or the Pendants of Wisdom, Power, & Courage? I'll never know
@colossalweeb
@colossalweeb 6 жыл бұрын
The downfall ganondorf is the saddest ganondorf. I mean child ganondorf doesn't have a character so it's hard to care for him. Adult timeline ganondorf dies after trying to restore the old hyrule kingdom. But downfall timeline ganondorf has lost all control and humanity he ever had after every botched resurrection started to turn him into a mindless beast.
@colossalweeb
@colossalweeb 6 жыл бұрын
That Japanese mech genre/RPG anime fan Jusino he's my favourite too. But downfall ganon is sad. I like his story. Child ganon has no redeeming qualities
@_dietjoke_
@_dietjoke_ 7 жыл бұрын
Man, now I wanna buy all of the cannon Zelda games and play them all in order of the time line.
@FreshAsianSwagg
@FreshAsianSwagg 6 жыл бұрын
All Zelda games in the timeline are canon, which is most. Not including the CDI and the crossbow minigame of course, but that should've already been common sense.
@cataramatreenage3980
@cataramatreenage3980 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the CDI games they are secretly after Breath Of The Wild
@MiyaTime
@MiyaTime 7 жыл бұрын
The real reason ALTTP doesnt fit in so many ways with this is because they didnt think that far ahead lol. There are so many inconsistencies and plot holes in the timeline because many of the games were not designed with the timeline as we know it in mind. We dont know when they actually started being conscious of some kind of continuity with zelda. For that reason some connections and explanations will forever be unsolvable.
@WillStrop2008
@WillStrop2008 7 жыл бұрын
Actually, as long as you accept that the New Lost Woods grew over the ruins of Castle Town (which the Historia heavily implies), the maps fit very well from Ocarina of Time to A Link to the Past. The location of the Master Sword is the same, relative to Death Mountain. It's just that the Temple of Time rotted away leaving only a stone monument deep in the forest. In the Desert of Mystery, which is the desert in A Link to the Past and not to be confused with Gerudo Desert (another name for the Desert Colossus area, together with the Haunted Wasteland), you find bushes albeit brown and dead: Vegetation that should never have grown in the desert in the first place in order to die there as mature plants. Would Ganon not have burned down Kokiri Forest knowing that it was the childhood home of the Martyred Hero (another name for the Hero of Time, specifically in the Downfall Timeline)? Hence the Desert of Mystery. If you look at the layout of the Desert Palace (which is Level 2 in A Link to the Past), it has some common features implying that it is in fact the Forest Temple, just a thousand years later and the surrounding area now desert rather than forest. It even has the room with 4 torches near the entrance, though the elevator to go down to Phantom Ganon has been replaced with a Beamos. I could go on, but you see the point.
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 4 жыл бұрын
What if we got to see Holodrum and Labyrrna in BotW2? And I’m sure that the murder of the Great Deku Tree caused the extinction of the Kokiri.
@russellmoser6930
@russellmoser6930 5 жыл бұрын
I think the old hyrule castle was just east of the lost woods, and the sanctuary is the Temple of Time
@azazelreeds
@azazelreeds 7 жыл бұрын
I thought the Master Sword was in the original Zelda game, but just wasn't required. I know you can get it in the Oracle games
@MoonJumpMania
@MoonJumpMania 7 жыл бұрын
Seems like there is a geographical resemblance between Ordon Village from TP and Kakariko village from A Link To The Past. Maybe it's the same village built after OOT but after the timeline split, it was named Ordon in the Childhood timeline and Kakariko in the Downfall timeline. Resemblances between TP and ALTTP: -Castle in the middle of hyrule -A town right underneath the Lost Woods in the south of hyrule
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. :)
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+MoonJumpMania could be but it would have been build for a different reason then since ganondorf didnt take over in the child era since link warned every one
@MoonJumpMania
@MoonJumpMania 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily What happens to Ganondorf in the child timeline after Link warns everyone?
@kotlolish
@kotlolish 7 жыл бұрын
Twilight Princess happens. The original sages capture ganondorf and try to convict him, but he got the triforce of power anyway. So they threw him into the Twilight Realm. He was weakened and biding his time till he found Zant.
@MoonJumpMania
@MoonJumpMania 7 жыл бұрын
kotlolish But what was he charged for if Link appeared and warned everyone before Ganondorf could do anything?
@linguisticallyoversight8685
@linguisticallyoversight8685 6 жыл бұрын
In the downfall timeline the gorons were eaten since there was no hero to save them think about it they were all locked up in the fire temple ready to be devoured by a dragon
@Antasma1
@Antasma1 7 жыл бұрын
Is it time to analyze the Game Awards trailer? The Rito probably returned
@Antasma1
@Antasma1 7 жыл бұрын
Also, the river zoras may be a different race entirely
@autumnmaru
@autumnmaru 2 жыл бұрын
Clearly link died as a child and the gorons were fed to volvagia and twinrova didn't die. The speed got corrupted and every major structure was destroyed.
@I_Am_Gassy
@I_Am_Gassy 7 жыл бұрын
Gannon never destroyed Hyrule Castle or Castle Town in the child timeline (Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess)
@actuallyash2438
@actuallyash2438 6 жыл бұрын
Gassy he’s not talking about that Timeline...
@drakevaliance3536
@drakevaliance3536 7 жыл бұрын
depending on what you believe is canon as to where Link dies in OoT for the downfall timeline. The gorons probably starved to death from not being able to enter Dodongo's Cavern.
@WillStrop2008
@WillStrop2008 7 жыл бұрын
Canonically, he dies in the final battle.
@drakevaliance3536
@drakevaliance3536 7 жыл бұрын
WillStrop2008 Just to be clear I am asking in all honesty, prefacing so i dont come off as an ass here. But where can i find this info? Hyrule historia, or one of the game manuals, maybe a Nintendo Dev interview?
@WillStrop2008
@WillStrop2008 7 жыл бұрын
Historia.
@drakevaliance3536
@drakevaliance3536 7 жыл бұрын
WillStrop2008 alright cool, thanks. I cant remember that line so ima go back and read it. I assume its around the start of the timeline explanation.
@danitheweirdhuman9889
@danitheweirdhuman9889 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always!
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Daniela Medková thanks Daniela your lovely
@danitheweirdhuman9889
@danitheweirdhuman9889 7 жыл бұрын
No problem :)
@KurffyOriginal
@KurffyOriginal 7 жыл бұрын
Their was a half goron half human in Link between worlds. (He becomes a sage)
@samuelgarza2466
@samuelgarza2466 6 жыл бұрын
Takahashi, a guy named Rosso. He was a miner near Death Mountain, in Link Between Worlds.
@thunderthunderstorms8828
@thunderthunderstorms8828 5 жыл бұрын
Wily I think you got your game mixed up anju lives in ternma termia (sorry can’t spell that) so of corse you don’t see her in the fallen time line
@joelraynor15
@joelraynor15 7 жыл бұрын
through certain link codes with the Oracle Games you can actually get the master sword.
@54667991
@54667991 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode Dr.Wily.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Ganon Dragmire thank you good sir :)
@grizzlybear2750
@grizzlybear2750 6 жыл бұрын
Do a video on what sword in the franchise is the best
@miguelhovell9397
@miguelhovell9397 7 жыл бұрын
Cool thanks Dr.Wily
@Protagulous
@Protagulous 7 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, I had to make some popcorn.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+The Protagonist hahahha was it good popcorn?
@Protagulous
@Protagulous 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily amazing
@illusion9685
@illusion9685 7 жыл бұрын
hey the master sword also appears in oracle of seasons and ages if you finish the two games together
@nightfallshort9232
@nightfallshort9232 4 жыл бұрын
1:58 But ALTTP was created before they came up with the Gorons.
@DevinAK49
@DevinAK49 7 жыл бұрын
those falling bolders are actually just Gorons haha.
@Ninjaananas
@Ninjaananas 7 жыл бұрын
DevinAK49 Goron corpses
@anitawiglit1806
@anitawiglit1806 6 жыл бұрын
*The truth is, the timeline was only made when fans wanted it, after TWO DECADES of Zelda Games, so sadly. . . trying to explain a lot of this, with theories is fun, but all the fans know the truth, the problems with continuity are hard to fix and Nintendo is trying their best, Gorons not being there are because they were not invented until 1998, they had to completely make up the River Zora stuff to explain the extreme difference in appearance, which is fun, but we all know the truth, but it's fun guessing!*
@jruler93
@jruler93 6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the Master Sword also appears in the Oracle games when you link them.
@yagottobelievensomething2683
@yagottobelievensomething2683 5 жыл бұрын
Would you believe me if I said Rivers Zora's and Zora's are two completely different tribes
@drahunter213
@drahunter213 5 жыл бұрын
6:29 The left of the video What game is that? Is their a front entrance in oot?
@WataruTakagii
@WataruTakagii 5 жыл бұрын
dude there were no gorons because Nintendo created them years after they developed a link to the past. It's not like they could have known that they will create them.
@KainSunrise
@KainSunrise 7 жыл бұрын
temple of time must located on the left upper corner. coz of the death mountain. or do u say they moved the mountain too? if u ask me, u have to turn the map in a linkt to the past. the forest is north hyrule. what do u think to the mountain problem?
@crossroads2361
@crossroads2361 5 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite timeline.
@jnwoodard8764
@jnwoodard8764 6 жыл бұрын
You sound like you should be hosting “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.”
@MrZayJames
@MrZayJames 7 жыл бұрын
Dope thumbnail
@yoelfux1137
@yoelfux1137 4 жыл бұрын
You know the real reason so many things are different in a link for the pass.... it's because the game was made the years earlier and the Developers just made the completely different game moan even thought about Ocarina of Time of that point... sorry about bursting the bubble of the Theory
@Nekotamer
@Nekotamer 7 жыл бұрын
the freaking zoras just evolve to fit whatever needs they have.
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+FailedPoliSaint yeah that might be but it does not explain why they turn into monsters that attack there allies all of a sudden
@Nekotamer
@Nekotamer 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily ranging from social, magical , and historical reasons ? no idea. we need more information regarding that.
@sonicthehedgehog6074
@sonicthehedgehog6074 7 жыл бұрын
at 7:49 you see a building with a pokeball
@ladylyndis2426
@ladylyndis2426 7 жыл бұрын
Wait I'm confused If Link died in the Ocarina of Time battle, what character do you play in all games in the Death Timeline?
@xdarkfusionn6614
@xdarkfusionn6614 7 жыл бұрын
These are the reincarnation of Link (Skyward Sword)
@pkdotts
@pkdotts 7 жыл бұрын
but shouldn't link look like dark link (or shadow link)(or maybe wolf link) in the dark world instead of a bunny
@mylunar
@mylunar 7 жыл бұрын
remember the white sword? It have a purple haddle, It might be the mater sword
@Jkslay686
@Jkslay686 4 жыл бұрын
ahh yes my favourite zelda sword the MATER SWORD
@evantrombly6932
@evantrombly6932 7 жыл бұрын
River Zora are hostile and sea zora are friendly
@zetsumeimaru
@zetsumeimaru 6 жыл бұрын
Except there are two kinds of Zora in the Oracle games.
@ChouhouinNeko
@ChouhouinNeko 7 жыл бұрын
actually the zoras in OoT and the other timelines are SEA Zora not river zora as stated also in the historia
@ChrisGousse
@ChrisGousse 7 жыл бұрын
Are you ready for the Game Awards, Wily? I'm so excited!
@dohickey7184
@dohickey7184 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Gousse would you say that your body is ready?
@dohickey7184
@dohickey7184 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Gousse would you say that your body is ready?
@ChrisGousse
@ChrisGousse 7 жыл бұрын
DoHickey No, my body is Reggie.
@dohickey7184
@dohickey7184 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Gousse the best kind
@ChrisGousse
@ChrisGousse 7 жыл бұрын
DoHickey ACCEPT THE REGGIE _lh3.googleusercontent.com/0YlfJS3caVzx5HDxhJGQXyDyL0CpRn0IPFaC9vC2fNPQHCokWJdn9cf53yhrlDNIcuDl2qA8rQ_
@najah58
@najah58 5 жыл бұрын
dr willy you see the master sword in orcale of ages and seseon
@ItsMe-om3zs
@ItsMe-om3zs 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+It's Me thank you :)
@Mysterious-Maski
@Mysterious-Maski 7 жыл бұрын
The Death Mountain is inhabitated by boulders... 😂
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Maski L you boulder racist #bouldersmatter
@Mysterious-Maski
@Mysterious-Maski 7 жыл бұрын
Dr.Wily Make that a thing #BouldersMatter ... Still boulders can't inhabit the Death Mountain. 😂
@t1freds288
@t1freds288 5 жыл бұрын
hay wasn't loz oot made after link to the past so this doesn't really make sense
@phantompopcorn3661
@phantompopcorn3661 7 жыл бұрын
hey wily unfortunetly i wont be on the stream on friday its a long story
@drwily
@drwily 7 жыл бұрын
+Phantom Popcorn :/ alright then I hope to see you next week and good luck with what ever is happening :)
@yuvalgilan9013
@yuvalgilan9013 4 жыл бұрын
6:24 HYLIANS!!!!!!!!!!
@fierce5560
@fierce5560 7 жыл бұрын
ANJU IS IN MAJORAS MASK, THOUGH.
@xdarkfusionn6614
@xdarkfusionn6614 7 жыл бұрын
HoggGamingYT -HGYT- But Majora's Mask is in an parallel universe...(sorry if parallel was wrong)
@drahunter213
@drahunter213 5 жыл бұрын
2:08 Maybe they just ate to much rocks then evolved into rocks....lol
@tylerhawley2610
@tylerhawley2610 7 жыл бұрын
There's a temple in the lost woods that could be the ruins. Just saying.
@christianzahn5879
@christianzahn5879 7 жыл бұрын
did you call it the masa sword?
@lilpop8700
@lilpop8700 7 жыл бұрын
Who else is thinking what timeline breath of the wild will be in, i think it will take place in the hero is defeated timeline
@lil_vault_boy
@lil_vault_boy 7 жыл бұрын
TheTaken Gamer At first I thought before Skyward sword or immediately after but it takes place in child timeline where they seal away ganon.Honestly to me that feels like the most fucked up time line.
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