Zen 5 & Strix Analysis: AMD AI is Everywhere, Intel is NOWHERE!

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[@drumtro11]

Don't worry about people who say dumb @#$%. There are always going to be people that are over the top.

[@FroggyTWrite]

that girlfriend plug was priceless

[@666Necropsy]

slurping it really hard. great job

[@senhorkorracha]

Oh Tom, if I wanted to be surprised by these presentations I wouldn't be subscribed to you...

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Cheers mate! That's a good compliment. :)

[@RobBCactive]

Yes, it was a game of spot the news, the surprise was a 16c/32t 5900xt AM4 CPU

[@danieloberhofer9035]

​@@MooresLawIsDeadThe best compliments are always those that are spot on!

[@domenicpolsoni8370]

@@RobBCactive Absolutely. I'm actually thinking about dropping this into my rig.

[@e2rqey]

unfortunately there are some people who watch this channel who don't listen to what Tom actually says, but instead hear what they want to hear.

[@christophermullins7163]

EVERYONE posted an amd keynote analysis but.. i came here first.

[@RodrigoLobosChile]

#MeToo 😁

[@bfish9700]

I don't understand the hate from people on leaks. They're leaks.

[@TechOtaku86]

I agree, people who get offended by leaks and rumors are lowkey retarded, who tf takes leaks at face value, do leakers need to say "take this with a grain of salt" every time they leak something when it should be already commonsense. ISTG, i'm loosing braincells trying to even comprehend these people.

[@ericbagley3613]

Most of them are Redditors. Hope that helps.

[@mnomadvfx]

Tomato tohmahtoh. One persons leaks is another persons rumors and straight up manufactured content. There's nothing to stop MLID or RGT just saying whatever they feel like to pad their channel content and calling it a 'leaker' to give it some basic shred of legitimacy.

[@DeiLux]

They are just envy that Tom gets all the juicy info and can be the first and accurate on his leaks. It's all about their greedy hearts.

[@georgwarhead2801]

@@mnomadvfx im just curious why you are here then and you cleary dont understand what leaks are, they can be legit, but they also can be straight up missinformations from the companys themself since even the competition wants to know what the other ones are doing and try to figure out a strategy. " just saying whatever they feel like to pad their channel content and calling it a 'leaker' and now amd presents a ryzen 9 AI 300 chip and 800series chipsets...hmmm i dont cant remember where i heard this names before...ahh it was from a LEAKED INFORMATION

[@Raivo_K]

MLID haters on social media: MLID gets everything wrong and makes things up. MLID: Prediction within one percent of final average IPC. Me: Not bad for someone who supposedly gets everything wrong and makes things up.

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Yes, I guessed Golden Cove, Cypress Cove, Redwood Cove, Bergamo, and Strix Halo... (Seriously look those up...all me...)

[@Raivo_K]

@@MooresLawIsDead Yes. And unlike some people im glad you remind viewers of your previous videos. Some say that leakers/analysts should not boast or flex when they get things right. I say they not only have to, but are obligated to do so. Because if they dont then no one else will do it for them. Honestly i dont envy you. If you get things right and remind people then you're called arrogant and whatnot. If you get things wrong then some people act as if you have never gotten anything right and never will. Predicting what is essentially the future is never easy nor error free.

[@ericbagley3613]

My favorites are the psyche 101 students. "Tom is taking credit for something he got correct, he's clearly a narcissist. "

[@asdf_asdf948]

To be fair...the MLiD of today is not the MLiD of 5 years ago. There was a time when that was a good criticism, and it's a good thing to see the channel has improved substantially.

[@Drumaier]

Wait a sec, are you saying MLID has haters? I mean there is actually zero reason to hate on this guy or his content.

[@cem_kaya]

AVX 512 performance improvements sound nice. Still 9950x3d might be worth waiting for.

[@AmaterasuOjo]

Also waiting for the 9950X3D ❤

[@mnomadvfx]

Unless it has BOTH dies with V cache I'd pass. I get why they do it, but it makes it unsuitable for any real scalable MT task because of the cache mismatch.

[@cem_kaya]

​@@mnomadvfx what do you mean by unsuitable ? It can be suboptimal but i do not know of any workload where it would be unsuitable ?

[@anthony6044]

since joining your channel sometime ago I have nothing but respect for your leaks

[@MooresLawIsDead]

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[@hasnihossainsami8375]

16% isn't too bad of an uplift. Squeezing more % out of a new arch is getting increasingly difficult, especially with rising silicon prices and slowing down of shrinkage. The slight clockspeed bump is also appreciated. All in all a very good next-gen offering but as was said in the video, at the right price. I'd be okay if they kept the same prices as Ryzen 7000 series.

[@harshivpatel6238]

16% is Pure IPC improvement right? that slight frequency bump & node improvement should yield another 5-8% improvement at least ?

[@beachslap7359]

16% ipc gain on practically the same node with (presumably) the same power consumption is an impressive engeneering feat. That said, I think them confirming 2027+ AM5 support is a bigger deal.

[@auritro3903]

@@harshivpatel6238 There isn't a frequency bump, and a very slight node increase for the flagship. There are other factors contributing to the large performance increase.

[@harshivpatel6238]

@@auritro3903 & what are those?

[@halrichard1969]

Plus the fact that they did it on the same die size speaks volumes to their engineering prowess.

[@ZenithX2000]

Don't worry Tom, most of us love you and the team

[@ForzaE2]

Waiting for 9800 X3D 😞

[@MagiofAsura]

For real, if nothing comes out about x3d before 9000 release, I'm just gonna get in at 7800x3d and upgrade 2026/2027 with best in slot x3d for my mobo.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

3D is overrated

[@roundandedgeless.1218]

@@MelroyvandenBerg just depends on the personal use case, rather obviously. There's certainly a sweetspot in budget where it makes sense.

[@Hexenkind1]

AMD will drop X3D after Arrow Lake. Without a doubt. Maybe very SOON after that.

[@Aquineas]

Hopefully. But if I were them and wanted to be diabolical, I would not just announce it, but have it shipping when Arrow Lake ships.

[@stevenandrews8225]

The next day

[@ofon2000]

@@Aquineas even worse...have a temporary best ever sale for 2 weeks around the release of arrow lake lol

[@12P14D22C]

Zen 5 cheaper then Intel, X3D a few percent faster then Arrow Lake at same price and its a won gen.

[@miyagiryota9238]

Before that

[@PaulSpades]

5 years of chiplets, yesteryear's manufacturing node, same core counts, mostly the same clock speeds, TDP almost brought back to sane levels. These desktop parts better be affordable. The APUs look great, though. Everybody is going to be able to run a good voice interface on their computer, I don't think people understand how big of a deal these NPUs are.

[@bwcbiz]

I think the biggest surprise for me was that there was no mention of GPUs at all. In retrospect it makes sense to cut it out of the presentation given the time they spent on Zen 5, Strix and AI (and following the 3 point rule for presentations ? ), but it does raise questions about the Radeon timeline. As far as pricing: I doubt that AMD will pre-announce X3D in any form. They want the early adopters to keep paying that bleeding edge premium.

[@TheZerosd]

Why should they mention GPU when they said GPU is on hold and won't come out this year

[@tringuyen7519]

MI325X was a huge surprise. It’s a MI300X with 288G of HBM3E! This tells me that RDNA4 has the hardware to support GDDR7 & AMD can make the switch to GDDR7 at will.

[@kazedcat]

​@@tringuyen7519All AMD engineers are working on AI so no they have no time to do gddr7

[@gr328]

Those lower TDPs are an interesting direction for AMD to go in...

[@earthtaurus5515]

and it's the best direction as it allows for alot of headroom for boosting performance *and* it's better for consumers utility bills thus by extension better for the planet as lower energy consumption for more processing capabilities.

[@gr328]

@@earthtaurus5515 Yes!

[@LupusAries]

​@@earthtaurus5515And for actually using it in summer in countries where AC is uncommon.

[@MaxIronsThird]

7600X at 100°C was definitely a weird choice by AMD, i'm glad they're back to 65W and won't need to get super hot to hit the advertised clock frequency.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@MaxIronsThird 7000 series and AM4 cpus are designed differently when comes to reported thermal temps. 7000 series boost to max temp moment CPU is gaming or started all core load. It doesn't mean CPU is actually hitting those temps instantly. Once ambient temps get extremely high and you can feel heat coming out of your PC rear exhaust fans for example then yes it's at those temps lol. You should get HWINFO portable and use it, it's free for personal use. It help you see how much wattage the CPU is actually using. I have my 7950X thermal limited to 85 degrees c and voltage ceiling of 1.3 volts. The only times the CPU exceeds 90 degrees c (with a cooler master h500m) is gaming or all core workloads is when the room is really warm i.e. in the summer with hardly any breeze.

[@moundercesar3102]

thanks to you i am not disapointed it's not >40% ipc increase

[@garrettkajmowicz]

You can be disappointed it isn't a 40% increase while not having expected it to be so. I want bigger IPC increases for better performance and efficiency, but they aren't realistic.

[@Winnetou17]

To be frank, you wouldn't've needed Tom & MLID for that. 40% IPC is just unheard of from a single generation that comes in the normal cadence (timing and manufacturing node). Excavator to Zen doesn't count - it was basically a refresh vs something new and from 28nm to 14nm, aka 2 generations ahead. Here we're on the same generation (from TSMC N5+N6 to N4). 40% IPC increase either means probably DOUBLE, if not more, the number of transistors or a breakthrough in the design/architecture. And neither were announced, so that 40% didn't had any leg to stand on.

[@moundercesar3102]

@@Winnetou17 i was not nearly expectingto be the case, i think anyone who is following the cpu upgrades over the years wouldn't be fooled, it's just to emphasis at how abusrdly other leakers can be even by having good track records

[@mnomadvfx]

@@Winnetou17 "40% IPC is just unheard of from a single generation that comes in the normal cadence" ARM's A9 -> A15 brought a 60% IPC jump at the high end (most ideal cache/memory config). Unfortunately it also exploded the power budget over A9 in the process, A15 was simply not viable as a mobile core. The A9 team's A12/17 followup managed a similar IPC with about 40% less power - if only it had launched first the last gasp of the v7-A generation would have been much longer with far more design wins.

[@Winnetou17]

@@mnomadvfx That's kind of what I wanted to say with the "normal cadence". That is, 1-2 years apart, not 4-5 years like it was the case with A9 to A15 (2007 to 2011/2012). And I should've mentioned that to be ... like recently. I'm too lazy to check, but I wouldn't be surprised if 486 compared to 386 or 386 compared to 286 to be not 40% better IPC, but something like 100%. When you're in the early days, big gains can be easy to find / implement. Once the process matures these are harder to come by. Also, the IPC claims that we are debating is about average IPC, not specific-case-IPC. In that case, you can argue that Zen5 has 40% better IPC in AVX512 workloads (I think it's even greater than that). I didn't find something comprehensive about the those ARM chips that you mention. It's also a bit difficult to say, since they were made on multiple nodes, especially the A9 was on TSMC 65 nm to TSMC 28 nm. That's quite the gap. I wouldn't be surprised to see those 60% increase or up to 40% better IPC (this is a quote from wikipedia) to be over select A9 chips, not the best / fastest / latest ones. Let me know if you have a good article/video with a good benchmark, I haven't searched that much. Still, didn't knew (well, I still don't know) the ARM chips history that well. What a clusterF of specs, details, chips and launches. Also, A15 coming before A12, both being the successor of A9.

[@SchwertKruemel]

I was hoping they were releasing the x3d models at the same time this generation. Kinda disappointed about that

[@MooresLawIsDead]

9950X launch is still 8 weeks away...

[@musicianJKEE]

x3d will be q4 this year.

[@marcinkarpiuk7797]

​@@musicianJKEEaround gen15 release i guess 😁

[@LukewarmEnthusiast]

It makes more sense to wait and announce X3D to rain on Intel's Arrow Lake announcements. Plus I think it's neat to have a performance uplift every 6 months instead of every 12 months. This keeps AMD in the news cycle and I'm sure investors appreciate that.

[@Akkbar21]

That’s naive. Amd isn’t your friend. They wanna sell these before people buy he x3d

[@sephondranzer]

Not sure whether to call this early or late, but this’ll go great with coffee. Thanks Tom.

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Coffee Lake - I hope. Or don't hope? Idk anymore...

[@archelonprime]

I'm having coffee with my breakfast as I watch this video.

[@greasebob]

@@MooresLawIsDead Covfefe Lake.

[@fVNzO]

Tom reading videocardz comments section is a rookie mistake. You should not touch that unmoderated swamp. It's like going to r/RealAMD expecting some unbiased recommendations.

[@MaxIronsThird]

nah, he's talking about leakers on twitter

[@Noisy_Cricket]

AMD is starting to hit it's stride now. You can see that the launch cadence is starting to increase, and they're starting to be able to reliably differentiate themselves from Intel (especially) and Nvidia.

[@Patrick73787]

Differentiating by copying Intel naming schemes?? LOL.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Was that what we say in the success of RDNA 3?

[@Gen0cidePTB]

Lot of Intel fanboys here I see.

[@Gen0cidePTB]

​@@ChiquitaSpeaksIf you know the true reason that RDNA3 failed you'd applaud AMD for their grace in not blowing it up, but I'll give you a hint: Apple's GPU is based on RDNA3.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

@@Gen0cidePTB My guy I would genuinely like to know where to look to hear it or for you to let me hear the explanation. But then I see your previous comment talking about fanboys of computer chip companies… And I could never. Don’t make me lose hope, Imagine being a fanboy of such a thing 🤦‍♂️. …I believe you can still tell me of something worthwhile 😢

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

The part with the Microsoft guy was. Lisa, again , was basically like "Hey, about that surface pro deal, how much AI does it take?"

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Yup. Especially with that quip about "you're going to use all these TOPs, right? They take up a lot of die space!" Following that up by immediately calling the HP CEO a "good friend" and giving him a hug doubled down on that. 😂

[@tringuyen7519]

@@benjaminoechsli1941Strix Point laptops will beat Snapdragon laptops including the Surface laptop. & Strix doesn’t need emulation!!!

[@Nobe_Oddy]

he'll make the same LAME joke with Intel too lol pathetic

[@singular9]

16% geomen uplift is better than intel doing the 1% refreshes for 3 generaitons. The fact that 12th gen, 13th gen, and 14th gen, only had gains because of MASSIVE power increases and insane risky overclocking and adding MORE E CORES, is kind of a joke. AMD isn't taking intel seriously what so ever.

[@slothnium]

The one exception is AMD's naming scheme.

[@auritro3903]

Not 12th gen, only 13th and 14th gen. 12th Gen often had massively higher performance with lower power draw than Rocket Lake, especially in Games. 13th Gen was also marginally better than 12th gen in efficiency, but only by a small amount, which isn't noticeable due to the increase in Cores, causing a higher power draw. And 14th Gen was literally just a renamed 13th gen. It can be said so about 14th gen and in some cases 13th gen, but the statement "12th gen only had gains because of massive power increases" is completely false.

[@pr0xZen]

Afaik 12, 13 and 14 is all alder lake and more alder lake (getting nasty skylake wibes), so it would be odd if performance increases between gens were much to talk about. At least at the high end. Imo where there _has_ been quite ok performance gains, is in the mid- to upper-mid range. But the top end just didn't have much more to give, it was already streched near the breaking point with the 12900k. So anything beyond that _had_ to come with severe increase in power consumption, and as we've been seeing lately - decrease in lifespan eating deep into reasonable platform life expectancy. As I understand it, this is also why we got even more e-cores on those. The P-cores were already stretched - arguably *_past_* the breaking point, on all but the slightest sliver of bins. So any additional performance _had_ to come from more e-cores, sketchy bios "enhancements" enabled by default, and software/microcode optimizations, despite the power and thermal cost of adding those extra cores to the same slab of frying silicon. We've had 3x 13900k chips severely deteriorate on us after less than 8 months (first 2 started hardware crashing after 2 months), despite these systems having no dGPUs, using motherboards with very solid VRMs, disabling motherboard overclocking enhancements and relaxing RAM tuning, using solid 360mm AIOs and strong case airflow setups. One of these I actually had to underclock, completely disable XMP on and aggressively downvolt a few weeks ago, just to keep it from suffering almost daily WHEA hardware crashes. These are running quite heavy, week-long multithreaded workloads, but that shouldn't be crumbling $6-700 CPUs after just a few months. Especially not when reining in those motherboard "enhancement" features, actually enforcing turbo times - both in configuration and cooling babying these chips from day one.

[@userblame632]

the thing with 12-14th gen having similar performance was that intel tried to commit to an architecture without changing motherboards (i forgot what thats technically called) just like AM4, grats for them to stick to their promise but honestly they shouldve stuck to the new motherboard per generation to keep up with x3d.

[@LupusAries]

Especially if the X3Ds are similarly better tan the 7000X3Ds and you are on a 5800X3D. I just hope the 5900X3D and 5950X3D have V-Cache on both chiplets.

[@random-zr5km]

Hi Tom, thx for your input on the keynote! It helps a lot to remember some important points and keep an overview of things. As for commenting on those channels that attack you: What I'm doing is watching your content and sharing links to friends who ask me about those topics. What I'm not doing is going to haters channels and fueling their disappointments about themselves and their lack of quality content. Bro, the best way to face them is to ignore them!!

[@catsspat]

I'm thinking, AMD should do whatever it can to get people onto AM5 platform *before* Arrow Lake comes out. That way, unless Arrow Lake is just ridiculous better, people won't care about it. It doesn't even need to be with Zen5 pricing. They could drop Zen4 prices, or subsidize AM5 motherborads.

[@sjneow]

This!!! The 600 series AM5 should be much cheaper than whatever Intel gonna have

[@tringuyen7519]

Only gamers who have more money than brains will buy Arrow Lake mobo. Panther Lake will be on a different socket! Another Intel mobo that’s valid for just 1 generation of CPU!

[@MrPtheMan]

Lets wait let's for Intel's keynote before saying AI is off.

[@tonydwietwarze]

The 9900x looks awesome :) 12 powerful cores , a lot of cache , reasonable 120 TDP , if the price is right , it will be the Go to CPU :) I will finally change my dual Xeon setup for this :) ❤❤❤❤❤

[@steveclock6051]

Currently rocking the 7900 non x. Beast of a cpu at... 65w? That 9900x will be a killer

[@Venom_Byte]

@@steveclock6051 I've been on my 9700K for 6 years now. The 9900X is looking very saucy to me. If intel can't secure a lead with arrow lake, I guess I'm going to have to go team red. I might even wait for the 9900X3D variant early next year.

[@steveclock6051]

@@Venom_Byte solid. The 7900 is plenty fast for my 4k 100hz gaming needs. I'm sure the non x3d variant will be plenty. I'll wait til the 10950x3d for my upgrade. Also performance per watt I don't have any inkling at all that Intel will be competitive

[@Yoshimatsu414]

I do like that they committed to product releases past 2027 for AM5. I expected that though regardless of what they said before. I mean it just makes sense, look at how successful AM4 is.

[@MaxIronsThird]

those could just be Zen5 X3D or XT cutdown/binned variants, like we're getting with Zen3 on AM4. Or that actually means Zen6 was delayed to 2027.

[@andersjjensen]

There were talks about fast tracking DDR6 because DDR4 was so long lived, but apparently someone came to their senses seeing the increases in wafer prices every generation. But under the conditions at the time AMD did the right thing and said "including 2026". It's always a LOT easier to extend than it is to walk back a promise.

[@andersjjensen]

@@MaxIronsThird To me it means that Zen 6 is DDR5 and that Zen 6X3D might slip to 2027, or alternatively that Zen 7 is now firmly locked in as being DDR5 too.

[@Yoshimatsu414]

@@andersjjensen You know that has me thinking....It would probably make things more confusing but I remember MLID bring up AM5+ some episodes ago. I was thinking maybe they'd have that socket out at the same time with DDR6 support for some CPUs but those same CPUs (Zen 7 or whatever) would still work on regular AM5 (at least for a little bit) because they'll still have DDR5 controllers as well. I think they did an AM3+ in the past, I forgot what was added for that but not impossible 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@andersjjensen]

@@Yoshimatsu414 As Tom clarified in that precise episode: The author of the tweet meant "AM5 and beyond" and had forgotten that AM3+ was a thing, so it was all just a misconception. I doubt AMD will incur the expense of having both a DDR5 and a DDR6 memory controller on their I/O die. If anything they'll make the same base architecture available on two different sockets, with each their I/O die and each their memory type.

[@sensibleplayer]

Stay away from videocardz comment section, a ton of people speculate some bullshit in there while at the same time calling mlid a crook. haha

[@jake1110]

There's a handful of sites like that. It's so bizarre how people treat each other based on their opinion of chip makers. I'm a fanboy of none of these companies, literally owning both Intel and AMD systems currently. I buy based on specific requirements for me.

[@Simhero]

Been in the section earlier, regretted it immediately

[@Nateyo]

The only thing that surprised me is 9700X having a 65W TDP. It's pretty encouraging that they get such good performance increases while lowering power consumption. If I ever get a zen 5 cpu you know im using that PBO2 tho

[@doublecrossedswine112]

I miss Jim from AdoredTV but even if he was back, you'd still be the best at this. Hope the constant BS from haters doesn't run you off like it did Jim.

[@FuukPronouns]

Holy cow I forgot about that guy. He disappeared then?

[@andersjjensen]

Yeah, I miss the glory days of AdoredTV too. "E'ight goys, hou's eet goin?" always made my day.

[@2000jalebi]

I liked AdoredTV for how he taught how about Chips worked so that a layman could understand. MLID expects you to already know stuff, which is fine, but was fun to always learn stuff.

[@mukaddemakbulut4146]

@Tom, you have been right and on spot on so many things. Many thanks to you and your team for the information you are providing.

[@krishnajithkj]

What I feel is 50 TOPS is just a number AMD came up with just for marketing above the 40-45 TOPS of Snapdragon X Elite and Lunar Lake. What actually matters is how well can these NPUs convert these claimed TOPS to real world performance. The way each NPU handles AI tasks is completely different, hence it's not fair to compare TOPS each brand advertises.

[@shearerforgold]

That probably is related to the 3rd gen comments. Its likely amd and qualcomm are better at utilisation than intels first gen one. It looks like the microsoft 40 tops requirement was just to say m4 couldnt handle it lol but it could be a 40 tops benchmarked requirement which is why the qualcomm is 45 tops. Another possibility is the 50 tops of the amd was just enough to pass the benchmark of 40tops in use, i would think they can clock it a bit higher to get more out but of course at the expense of power.

[@ericbagley3613]

Maybe, but Amd is usually conservative with their marketing benchmarks, rdna3 7900xt, 7900xtx excluded of course. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Ai 300 is just a little better than SDX and a lot better than Intel.

[@lubossoltes321]

@@mastroitek just wait for it, all the reviewers are now looking at the best ways to benchmark those NPUs ... it will be interesting ... I bet 3Dmark is working on a bench as well ...

[@LucidStrike]

Considering that of the 3 companies you mentioned AMD has easily the most powerful AI hardware period, it doesn't really make sense to doubt their performance here.

[@tringuyen7519]

@@LucidStrikeAgreed. AMD’s 50 TOPS NPU can process both INT8 & FP16 equally. Snapdragon’s 45 TOPS NPU can only process INT8 & will get beaten by AMD in benchmarks!

[@jihadrouani5525]

Just 3 months ago I bought a Phoenix laptop that was 5 months old at the time, it was cheaper than Hawk Point, and now we have Strix Point... Kinda painful watching it get outdated this fast lol

[@tringuyen7519]

Get use to it. Strix Point Halo laptops will launch in 6 months. & Nvidia’s ARM CPU laptops will launch summer of 2025.

[@kalidesu]

I just want to know when AMD going to release Full ROCm/PyTorch for Windows. That would be cool Ai news for the rest of us, DirectML is only half as fast CUDA/ROCm.

[@MaxIronsThird]

probably with RDNA4

[@SirMo]

Lisa was asked this in the Computex QA session. She said they've been concentrating on datacenter GPUs, but that they will be supporting all the new products as well with ROCm. They want ROCm to run on all the products.

[@ahmedabdolghani8879]

Moore’s law experience with product show casings just being him rereading his leaks is pure aura

[@johnm91326]

Does Strix even compete with Lunar Lake? Strix is 28w default, LNL is 17w default (including memory). AMD didnt even mention efficiency or battery life in thier presentation.

[@jorgevaladas788]

A big worrying point for Intel is that they will have a gap in their offerings that will be taken over by Strix. Lunar Lake will likely do very well on lower power devices but we will have to wait until next year for Arrow Lake on mobile and by that time most OEMs may have been shipping Strix for a while. The AI gimmick is also not looking good for Intel but we'll see how things go until then. I think if Intel gets on competitive nodes on both low power mobile, high power mobile and desktop things may start looking better for them.

[@johnm91326]

@@jorgevaladas788 Strix does have a good head start, if AMD can ship in volume (always a problem for AMD, even when they claim design wins). On the other hand, AMD has no lunar lake counter for the foreseeable future. Not an ideal situation for either company. As long as arrowlake gets copilot branding (which it might if Intel can count GPU TOPs), I doubt there's any AI problem for Intel. Nobody will choose a laptop based on 'TOPs' as this point in time.

[@jouniosmala9921]

Zen5 is interesting. It increases the ceiling of per core performance a lot, but average IPC has always been way below the potential throughput of every CPU. But I must admit that I have a clear bias towards let's tune software to utilize the new hardware maximally which isn't what most software actually is, especially when hardware is new.

[@Dariusdd]

The only thing that surprised me was the TDP on the 12, 8 and 6 core parts. They are defined lower than the previous gen. Have they gone back on the behaviour of the previous gen, where it was capped by temperature? I use my 7700X with PBO to cap its power consumption to ~92W since it's not worth leaving it unlocked for less than 10% performance improvements in synthetic benchmarks.

[@tanthokg]

ikr, I have a 7900x, and even though it's not that hot, 120w tdp of 9900x is a very nice improvement

[@John.Philip.Tan876]

Awesome. Rear view mirror intensifies.

[@omgwtfxdlol]

AI AI AI AI AI, still not enough AI.

[@Yuri-xx2gi]

Aiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiai Is that enough?

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@Yuri-xx2githey will eventually stop selling it once it's integrated into your wallet and toaster but AI in itself is here to stay. AI AI AI AI AI

[@iTzNicholas]

Aye Eye

[@bobo-cc1xw]

"Still not enough" does not have ai in it you could do more. Gpt ai llm

[@nathanlarson6535]

That's what I'm saying. These companies are marketing AI so badly but I don't know anybody even remotely interested in Copilot or an "AI laptop". In fact, I think many people strongly dislike what Microsoft is trying to do with Copilot (especially regarding the "Recall" feature) and are actively avoiding it. If tillions of dollars are being dumped into this AI boom over the last few years, surely these corporations must see AI as a goldmine, right? But where is the consumer demand? Do that many people really want a Windows laptop with even more spyware just so they can... do what exactly? It doesn't seem useful, just redundant and gimmicky at best. Maybe I'm just ignorant or uninformed but I really don't get it.

[@abowden556]

Man, I hope this shit comes to framework one day, that'd be awesome.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Framework has already started using AMD chips, I'm sure they'd be happy to use them. Iirc, they don't use Hawk Point (yet), so no drop-in upgrade, but they're growing!

[@SNESChalmers147]

@@benjaminoechsli1941they do use Phoenix and Hawk Point was a drop in for Phoenix. Since Strix is too, it will be trivial for Framework

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

@@SNESChalmers147 Two drop-ins in a row? No wonder partners are tumbling over each other to get on AMD's stage, lol.

[@greasebob]

Osborne effect. They wont announce future SKUs prior to launch of Zen 5. That would be shooting themselves in the foot. Best they can do is aggressively price Zen 5 and sell as many as they can as fast as they can-- then, depending on what Intel does, have X3D and possibly a Zen 5+5C 24 core SKU.

[@RobBCactive]

I remember those luggables!

[@bigneto95]

As someone with a 5500, these new AM4 relases are tempting

[@potatorigs2155]

just get a 5700x3d or 5800x3d

[@robotsix6268]

5600x here. Just wait. New GPU will get you more perf for your money.

[@bigneto95]

@@potatorigs2155 yeah, but i'm curious on how these 2 are gonna compare to them

[@Violet-ui]

@@bigneto95 They are literally just very very slightly overclocked non-X3D CPUs. Just ignore them

[@potatorigs2155]

@@robotsix6268 5600x you loose around 25% of possible performance from 5500 to 5700x3d is a wiser move . Gpu will be overprices the import tarif is going up and Ai will raise the prices

[@mariolis]

As a linux user , I just wish AMD stopped focusing exclusively on "Windows 11 AI PCs" And I also wish they launched desktop Zen 5 APUs with the XDNA 2 NPU alongside their laptop strix point ones I actually like AI, i want to make use of those fancy new NPUs ,but i want to do it on LINUX and on a DESKTOP

[@dj4aces]

sI think that's a very optimistic and rosy view of Intel. Yeah, there's always a possibility they can re-take the gaming crown, but the bigger question is... do people really think it'll matter? And will it really be by such a large margin? 15% doesn't sound like much, but that's huge.

[@cem_kaya]

i understand why there is no npu on the 9950x. But i wanted to see one. Maybe they will add one in zen 6 ?

[@RobBCactive]

They're for mobile power constrained environment, on desktop a GPU offers far more TOPS

[@cem_kaya]

@@RobBCactive i dont have 128-256 GB of Vram though. 50-60 tops with no memory shuffling would be much faster then 100-200ttops with 24 GB vram. i use really large llms on my pc.

[@rickymyers7813]

Enjoyed this video especially the end where I agree with some folks just to volatile these days. Keep the good info coming. Only disappointment was no 9950X3D or more core variant announcement but could see them waiting For Intel first to hit with one more thing as you mentioned.

[@marcc.490]

Fuck them haters. Keep doing the good work MLID. I will keep watching periodically.

[@Akkbar21]

Why does he keep giving them oxygen? Is it because drama drives engagement? Let his record speak for itself.

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@Akkbar21drama drives the loser's engagement.. not toms.

[@riven4121]

@@christophermullins7163 It drives his because people will watch his videos out of spite.

[@Akkbar21]

@@christophermullins7163 then he should stop, which was my entire point.

[@Akkbar21]

@@riven4121 and comment like we are now. I think he should stop. Just act like you know you’re a well established channel with a record of accurate reporting and move on. Don’t lower yourself to people who have no factual standing or record of accuracy. Seems we’re in agreement. Thx for the reply.

[@john3201]

9:26 - Worth noting the Strix system in this comparison was set with a 54w cTDP… Assuming the X Elite was at 23w, that’s still a huge win for Qualcomm.

[@sitordan]

Keep doing what you do best: informing us regular Joes about upcoming tech.

[@Kyle-mp3xo]

It's funny listening to you talk about "egos." The irony is not lost.

[@ericbagley3613]

Wah

[@AOTanoos22]

So why isn't AMD putting any NPU's in their ryzen Desktop chips ?

[@andersjjensen]

They assume anyone who wants an AI capable desktop machine will have a dedicated GPU. NPUs make a ton of sense in laptops because they can do neural network traversal at a fraction of the power budget, but 50 TOPS is laughably bad considering an RX 6600 manages 71.44 TOPS (in napkin math). My XTX with a very slight overclock does 500 TOPS (again, in napkin math).

[@AOTanoos22]

@@andersjjensen oh okay that makes sense, still there are lots of people without dedicated GPUs, think of office PCs that use integrated graphics. So i still think they should include it for Desktop, maybe in the future.

[@andersjjensen]

@@AOTanoos22 AMD has previously released laptop chips in desktop sockets, so yeah, that's probably going to happen relatively soon. And since Strix Point contains 4 Zen 5 cores, 8 Zen 5c cores, 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs and a 50 TOPS NPU in it's highest configuration, that will be a very versatile CPU for anyone without a dedicated GPU.

[@tj_2701]

Tom, you may be right that OEMs could've had a hand in the AI 300 naming. Remember it's OEMs that are forcing CPU makers to give rebrands a new name even if it is the same exact product and not a refresh.

[@RasmusDyhrFrederiksen]

Intel & Rearview mirror.....

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

Intel have had an AI Accelerator in devices for longer than AMD. For example the Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio 2 has the Intel Gen3 Movidius 3700VC VPU AI Accelerator. Intel Lunar Lake's Compute Tile is manufactured on TSMC N3B. This gives Intel an advantage in that there are IPC improvements for the Performance Core (Lion Cove) and the Efficiency Core (Skymont has double digit gains) taking advantage of the increased transistor density as well as increased power efficiency provided. The Xe2 Battlemage iGPU is also on TSMC N3B and it will be interesting to see how it will compete with AMD 800M series RDNA 3.5 based iGPUs. Xe2 iGPU offers 50 TOPS performance on AI workloads. Lunar Lake offers 100 TOPS total performance available for AI workloads. During multitasking one app can take advantage of the iGPU and access 50 TOPS while a different app can access the 45 TOPS from the NPU. So Strix Point is late July, Lunar Lake is October. In my opinion we wil see mature software support for Intel AI hardware.

[@Gen0cidePTB]

That's not accurate, as an iGPU is a very good AI processor. Better than a Movidius which was used for ML but too slow for AI. That was there for power savings not performance. As for your assertion that mature AI won't come to Strix, that's laughable if you pay attention to the actual facts at hand. ILLM and OneAPI support is far far behind RoCM adoption, which is already in most inference engines. Battlemage will require an update to that to support which means Lunar Lake will too, but Strix is using RDNA 3 so the same drivers that cover the 7XXX today will cover Strix. Also have you even looked at the TOPS performance of Strix? The GPU can do INT4 so you can double that number for inferencing small models, and it will have access to 256GB of shared RAM so it can store 30b+ models and inference on them. I don't see Lunar Lake with it's soldered on die RAM coming close to that capacity.

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

@@Gen0cidePTB lol

[@PrinPaska]

Good content, however there is a wrong comment (at least confusing) on the second performance chart (around 0:54 mark): the slide shows "leadership" above intel, not uplift over Zen 4.

[@jasonc5781]

Ngl i was wayyy more excited for strix point & halo this time. Im really looking forward to seeing 3050/4050 level performance on a steamdeck type device.

[@azemaviator]

I think a talking point that is over looked is, the TOPs comparisons vs others were INT 8, if the Block FP16 is something a competitor does not have and it does do what AMD said it does... I don't think anything without it will have a chance if the software supports Block FP16.

[@MaxIronsThird]

Does Arow Lake use N3(like the M3) or N3E(like the M4), bc from the performance we've seen with these Apple chips, is that N3 is not a particularly big jump and might as well be called N4+, only 5% performance increase or 10% less power consumption. N3E is the real 3nm node from TSMC, maybe they had problems with it but had to rush bc of Apple and ended up delivering a half baked node last year. ARL on N3 doesn't have a chance of competing with Zen5 imo, specially bc of the price of the node and the Foveros connected tiles, but even with N3E being just as expensive, it is much better, almost like a full node jump, that way if AMD doesn't lower the price of the X SKUs compared to Zen4, ARL might be faster in both games and productivity workloads at the same price, with AMD not having a competitor to the i3/U3, unless you would count the 7500F or 7600 to fill that gap, not sure AMD can sell a 7500F for under $120 though. The V-Cache version will definitely be faster in most games though.

[@102728]

1:00 - the numbers shown are for performance relative to the 14900k, not direct gen over gen uplift. Not very impactful, but for accuracy's sake c:

[@samal90]

was hoping for a tease at Strix Halo, but it will probably be at CES in January, or be announced with RDNA 4 reveal.

[@Loundsify]

Lisa Su just takes AMD to the next level. Who thought they'd even take 30% server market share 5 years ago.

[@interceptor001]

Comparing the Ryzen 9 to the standard M3 is kind of a bad sign. Why not against the M3 Pro/Max or against the M4?

[@djchristian82]

Mobile Zen 5 will not beat Apple M4 in single thread on Geekbench 6. I wished they did but they won’t and Apple also have quite a big lead in performance per watt.

[@jake1110]

I'll be needing to replace a thin and light laptop probably early next year. I was hoping Lunar Lake comes out strong for performance/battery life and that a manufacturer would also add a large battery to pair with it. I'm definitely open to a Zen 5 based device, but it seems to take FOREVER for AMD chips to end up in thin and light devices. Even worse is that the options always end up more limited, which drives me crazy. Hopefully this time things will start to change.

[@halrichard1969]

Tom, I dont consider your channel a "Leaks" channel. This is where I come for my regular dose of News as your leaks are really now just advanced News. I am on your Patreon. I wish you all the success you deserve,

[@ericbagley3613]

Honestly, I get annoyed when people call what Tom does as "leaks" or "rumors". It's called journalism, and I'm using the antiquated form of that word. I have no idea why people think that running the same benchmarks as hundreds of other channels is the only legitimate function of an enthusiast tech press.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

Need to also throw in my agreement to these comments! For a long time now i've basically considered Tom's content, as a competent & useful journalistic News channel! Whether for helpful future-purchase planning, or just fascinating "tech tabloid" entertainment (that is rather accurate), Tom delivers!

[@lexwaldez]

Agreed. It's more of a "guide" to leaks.

[@Ryhillchibulls]

Gahdam That boy spit

[@caelum1156]

Alright, I got some background noise for work!

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Hopefully it's good "noise" haha

[@alanzhai8042]

We all know AMD feed you.

[@thesupremeginge]

Copilot apps are not a gimmick. It's not even fully out yet and I've been using it in actual work for a few years. I would say it saves me time, but in reality, it just lets me get more done. NPU support in Adobe & Resolve is also extremely not a gimmick either.

[@vladlazlo]

I have no idea why trolls always lie about his precise leaks. I've been watching this channel for ages and I haven't really seen any of his leaks being way off the mark. It's usually spot on within +/-3% error range.

[@RobBCactive]

I have gone back over old shows and the corroboration and accuracy improves. Speculative ideas tend not to be realised, sometimes people ignore the distinction. Another problem is reporting info like on Arc or Meteor Lake which has proven to be unrealistic. The trolls tend to be fanbois who are butt hurt about differences of opinion or in denial of facts.

[@pweddy1]

A roadmap that shows the releases of BOTH AMD and Intel in one place might be useful. I think the latest roadmap I have seen for AMD is out of date.

[@mig-31firefox91]

I always love tuning in to your channel to get the latest in future pc hardware/software, you and your team are amazing.

[@getinthespace7715]

No surprises. Seems like Zen 6 might be a huge jump if they push up to 32 core CCX chiplets. That could be fun.

[@M1710]

I have been using the intel 12900k since when it was first released and has been a great processor so far. Now with years of no upgrades, the Zen 5 will fit the bill perfectly.

[@Somethingaboutthat]

What's the theoretical speed bump with the 9k series versus the 5k series? As someone on AM4 who thinks it's still a very good platform, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on?

[@brightbluesmurf]

Will they bring an NPU version of this CPU cause that was what l was hoping for.

[@cicio7777]

9950x3d could VERY well be released in Nov 2024 about 5 months from now. When 7950x was announced it was 5 months later that the 7950x3d was released

[@flink1231]

Maybe they can do x3d plus zen5c. 8 zen5 cores with extra cache plus 16 zen5c ccd? Not sure who is the user for this, but that could possibly win gaming and multi threading.

[@TheDoomerBlox]

Pat Gelsinger has always been talking about AMD, its unquestioned leadership and how the AI is everywhere.

[@marcosalvarez5712]

I always like the videos you put out on Playstation 5, Playstation 5, Pro, and later the Playstation 6, and Sony needs to announce a Playstation showcase that talks about their first party games and finally show the Playstation 5 pro.

[@PsGetSid_]

way do you not talke about Nivida RTX 5090?way so much hype?

[@danieltrump7081]

Lenovo and Hp only had 1 laptop that was going to be ready this year when they were on stage. They aren't taking AMD products seriously. Only Asus was. I don't think strix will be as successful as it could otherwise be.

[@obvinpro]

To be fair, Recall is not a gimmick. I'm using it on day one. I use my systems securely, and if a bad actor is to get hold of my laptop or phone physically or remote wise, it doesnt matter if I have recall on or not, they'll have access to lots of my personal information. so all the uproar is NONSENSE

[@RobBCactive]

What happens if you download a file which exploits a bug, then sends off your Recall file off to Russia?

[@obvinpro]

@@RobBCactive What would Russia do with my Recall files that they can't find on the internet?

[@RobBCactive]

@@obvinpro well you say you use your systems securely so you never have personal or confidential information on your screen that I can share with you that you would regret a malicious actor pinning down to your computer. If you did use it for such, banking info or purchases then you claim would be false.

[@Akkbar21]

What is the use of this NPU for anyone in windows? Any workflow, because I genuinely don’t know.

[@ericbagley3613]

Copilot and whatever apps are built for copilot. Not sure if anyone should care or not, but if it turns out to be a bust, can't blame amd or Qualcomm for not giving the right tools.

[@Akkbar21]

@@ericbagley3613 fair enough. That’s about what I thought of after I posted this. It all remains to be seen. Appreciate the reply. 🫡

[@Fezzy976]

I have a feeling the 9000 X3D chips will have improved cache and more of it as well to gain the advantage over Arrowlake.

[@ScenesByOmnic]

Will refresh mobo's made closer to a 9800X3D launch offer features worth waiting for? I don't mind buying a 78700X3D now and swapping later, but wondering if there are features that are going to make me want to also upgrade the mobo as well.

[@heyarno]

I think Intel needs to push new motherboards to make use of their older process nodes that are used for the chipsets.

[@bes12000]

Since I have a 7950X3D I think ill wait until the X3D version of the 9000 series.

[@zoonbk]

Gotta be honest, I'm a bit disappointed by the gaming performance. Hope x3D is planned for launch this year.

[@EvanVlcek]

Strix does NOT have 12 big cores, it has 4 "big" (Zen 5) cores and 8 "little" (Zen 5c) cores. You can say all you want about features and IPC of the little 5c cores matching the big cores (which is great), but at the end of the day these run at significantly slower frequencies. It will certainly outperform Lunar Lake with 4 big + 4 little cores in MT, but I'm interested in what ST, power efficiency, and gaming performance looks like, not to mention how the iGPUs stack up. What are the core count expectations for Arrow Lake mobile? Also, saying AMD is on their 3rd gen for AI NPU is misleading... Hawk Point was just a clock boost. Also, Intel has shown more SW compatibility with their AI solution, which is a perfectly valid data point when discussing the AI situation, but keep droning about how great AMD AI is and how terrible Intel AI is.

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

I don't give two F's about the AI crap. What I DO care about is the performance of the iGPUs in those Strix APUs especially when they come to their Desktop APUs. If they have the rumored power that can truly compete with a RTX 4070/4060 then it will truly be a game changer. Sure you'll always have enthusiast that demand monster CPUs/GPUs, but in this economy the majority of PC users want the most bang for the buck with as few components needed to buy to make that happen (and not require a 1000W+ PSU).

[@user-yl5pg3kx1q]

Do the new 9000 series processors come with NPU or is it only reserved for mobile series?

[@erlienfrommars]

I'm personally excited for the Strix Point models, even the 10-core model is seriously impressive, all knowing that they're all full Zen5 cores despite their cluster, and a more powerful iGPU is even better, I'm looking forward to seeing HX 370 (I refuse to use the eyyy ayyy buzzword) on those miniPCs, should be a sweet chipset for little gaming capable rigs.

[@TheTaurus104]

I also assume that the better efficiency of the 9900X, 9700X and 9600X will also be a selling point over Arrow Lake. I doubt Arrow Lake will NOT be significantly more efficient than Raptor Lake. So they are far behind a 9000X3D Lineup.

[@kaithong8482]

Im surprised by no GPU announcements, probably the flavour of the event is AI Im just very excited with strix point and hopefully those chips can replace gaming laptops with dgpus soon

[@arenzricodexd4409]

AMD already announced the entire line up for RDNA 3. there is nothing much to talk about GPU.

[@ericbagley3613]

​@@arenzricodexd4409Rdna 4 should be releasing this year.

[@AnimeWill]

Love your channel, bro. Think I've watched 20 videos today.

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Cheers!

[@blast_processing6577]

Honestly, I'm looking forward to when the Strix Halo APU is a generation behind. It ought to be cheap enough but still good enough then for me to transition away from console gaming to PC gaming, probably paired with Steam OS or Chimera OS.

[@Fordance100]

This is actually wrong. Intel has much better AI inference support with Openvino. It's much harder to get anything to work with AMD.

[@g-forcepcrepair4347]

Thanks for all the great news and the heads-up info that u gave us in advance 😀

[@Mystico1600]

Do you expect 9800x3d to be the better gaming CPU or are you hearing that they have fixed the scheduling issues for the new generation?

[@pham3383]

the 7800x3d is a blast in that price that intel still could not recover from 13 through 14th gen

[@Broni34life]

Im honestly just excited to see the v-cache variants and what kinda performance it will give

[@andersjjensen]

Zen 3X3D was a bit bigger uplift over Zen 3 than Zen 4X3D was over Zen 4. I assume that was because Zen 3 was really starting to hit the wall with DDR4 bandwidth and latency. So my careful guess is that Zen 5X3D will be a little better uplift, but not much, than Zen 4X3D was. Especially for people who keep their DDR5-6000 memory kit despite Zen 5 supporting DDR5-8000.