Ziss Brine Shrimp Hatchery Set Up: How to Raise Live Baby Brine Shrimp for Your Fish!

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@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Time Stamps 0:00 - Brine Shrimp Hatchery Set-up 7:45 - Making Brine Shrimp Solution 12:00 - Benefits of Brine Shrimp 13:17 - Cost of Components 14:04 - Removing Brine Shrimp and Feeding Here is what we used for this set-up: Ziss Brine Shrimp Hatchery: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... Brine Shrimp Eggs: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... Black Airline Tube: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... Mini Nano Air Pump: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... Air Line Valve: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... Fritz Salt: www.aquariumcoop.com/collecti... * Note: The product reviewed in this video was supplied free of charge from Aquarium Co-Op. We thank Aquarium Co-Op for their support in helping make this video possible. If you want more information on brine shrimp check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5K2f3R6qLl1Z5o Here is a good video on how to keep baby fish alive: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3cc4uvrpl0nq8 Also, our new shirts can be found at: www.primetimeaquatics.com/merch For the latest in the fish room check us out on Instagram primetime_aquatics For more cool behind the scenes stuff consider becoming a member! kzbin.info/door/YVN... If you want to see all the cool stuff Joanna does with other types of scapes check out her channel! kzbin.info/door/PEZ...
@YolandaLaracuente
@YolandaLaracuente 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to buy one of this. You You have the link? Thank you.
@soggyfries4347
@soggyfries4347 4 жыл бұрын
These were hard to get a hold of for awhile, good to see Cory getting these in. Definitely on my wanted list. Thanks for the great overview, as always!
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
It is good to have them available!
@geodesicmonkey
@geodesicmonkey 4 жыл бұрын
The video thumbnail made me think we were in for a nice “PrimeTime Margarita!”
@markhunter2244
@markhunter2244 4 жыл бұрын
Never tried hatching baby brine shrimp before, definitely going to give this a try 🤓
@yourgonajah1172
@yourgonajah1172 3 жыл бұрын
Would be great to make a video on raising baby brine shrimp to adults 👍🏼🤔
@WA-ir3fw
@WA-ir3fw 3 жыл бұрын
Just got this a few days ago and i, dialing it in because i get a LOT of shrimp! Mine already came with the extra airline valve. This thing is the bomb! I had so many i threw a bunch in a bucket of green salt water i have outside. Let them grow to adults to feed my larger fish. Highly recommend this. The Brine shrimp hatchery disc is good but doesn't make enough for my needs
@61mab
@61mab 3 жыл бұрын
I liked the correction from baking powder to 'Baking Soda' for soft water areas, out of the tap chlorine is okay to help egg shell opening is nice thing. Just got mine from Aquariumcoop and eggs, watching a lot of vids (Cory has some hack vids and tips) filled with water and salt overnight sans eggs so far, need a few more degrees heat to ensure full hatching potential. Don't have very many tanks/mouths to feed so I'll have to do the math and scale down the measurements by half or less. Nice video, my box had no instructions maybe that's par for the course but there are a plethora of info on Y.T. et al, so I'm well informed, Did a few of my own hacks while I was at it with one way air line etc. Thanks
@RenegadeLK
@RenegadeLK 3 жыл бұрын
Mine arrived today and this was super helpful in setting it up since it didn't included instructions on how to.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
So good to hear!
@Lizardlafemme
@Lizardlafemme Жыл бұрын
I just bought one. It’s long overdo. I love i I was making in pop bottles like an alchemist for the 15th century. But they fell a bit. I use a pinch of epsom salt but a pinch. My fish are happy happy. I have 6 tanks. MyGreen Severum inhales like plankton salts too
@thefishwitch2137
@thefishwitch2137 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the tutorial,you may have just talked me into raising brine shrimp for my fry tanks
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
It's worth a try! :-)
@crow-vz5lx
@crow-vz5lx 3 жыл бұрын
It's fun. I did my first last night. I didn't harvest that many. But after watching his other brine shrimp video, I was educated to that fact that my water is soft, and to add a pinch of baking soda. So I did that tonight, 2 Tbs of sea salt and just under half a TBS of eggs. We'll see after work tomorrow😀
@richardwaldhouse8067
@richardwaldhouse8067 4 жыл бұрын
A nother awesome video! Thanks!
@karinberg5676
@karinberg5676 3 жыл бұрын
Super! Thank you for a great informative video! I just bought this and wasn't a 100% sure how to use it. Now I do. ☺️❤️
@wendihamlett105
@wendihamlett105 4 жыл бұрын
Just got this. Thanks for the great tutorial!
@arachnophilegrrl
@arachnophilegrrl 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I finally got one of these and had no idea what that last valve was for!
@aquariumtreasures1054
@aquariumtreasures1054 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great product.🐟🌿👍😊
@patjesscole2709
@patjesscole2709 4 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration really makes me think about doing Brian shrimp 👍
@ElectricBoogaloo007
@ElectricBoogaloo007 3 жыл бұрын
Is Brian your boyfriend?
@dastarddizaster
@dastarddizaster 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason I bought 2 of these from Co-OP And I sit them in my 75 gal that is at 83°
@casey1204
@casey1204 8 ай бұрын
I like that shirt a LOT!
@quinmallory
@quinmallory 3 жыл бұрын
Just got it in the mail today from aquarium coop with a good sized can of brine shrimp eggs. gonna make sure I know all the ins and out before I hatch the first batch. Cant wait for the growth explosion my fry always grow slow.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome - enjoy!
@Ghall208
@Ghall208 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that smaller valve is to use on the airline going in.
@jwoodard621
@jwoodard621 2 жыл бұрын
Love your video how do you raise them and how do you set up please thankyou uk
@HeRo-qd6tk
@HeRo-qd6tk 4 жыл бұрын
Looks interesting. I have had trouble and i suspect the temp was not high enough...
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Adding a light next to the hatchery really helps.
@crypto1953
@crypto1953 3 жыл бұрын
Well, tbh, I bought your product about a month ago and I prefer the old school method. Just better results overall. Prove me wrong.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't my product (just something I have used and did a review on). I have used this and the DIY ones as well. :-)
@besthobbit
@besthobbit 2 жыл бұрын
I have no need for baby brine shrimp, but I want one of these and to start hatching them.
@andrewpuhr
@andrewpuhr Жыл бұрын
I am also in the chicagoland area. I know the co-op instructions specified 2 tbs of salt and you did about 3.5 tbs. I tried 2 and didn't have the best hatch so wondering if I should up to 3.5 for the next batch? Has that worked better in your experience?
@cutty852000
@cutty852000 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do species profile on cichlasoma dimerus
@johngallea5288
@johngallea5288 Ай бұрын
What size heater is good to use thank you
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics Ай бұрын
For this you really don’t need a heater. Just a light bulb alone can bring it up into the upper 70s?
@TheVoyagers.
@TheVoyagers. 7 ай бұрын
How do you go about heating it?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 7 ай бұрын
Our fish room is heated, but a standard light bulb close to the hatchery is usually plenty of heat.
@farmert9679
@farmert9679 4 жыл бұрын
I like your tutorials. Short and to the point. I will have to look up your homemade brine shrimp hatchery. I did make one myself. In my basement with whatever light comes in and using 3 year old eggs that I have stored in my freezer. Temperature was about. 70 degrees. Took about 5 days and they did hatch. I put in though a tablespoonful of eggs though in the 2 liter container. It was hard to separate the eggs from the fry. Any ideas on how to do that?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
The live baby brine will usually sit right above the unhatched eggs after letting everything settle.
@Coyo-Tea
@Coyo-Tea 2 жыл бұрын
What about the cysts though ?
@ejfishes7610
@ejfishes7610 4 жыл бұрын
Great review Jason, once you open the brine egg container do you put it in the freezer?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, my larger open containers stay in the freezer and I have a smaller one that lasts about three days that I leave filled in the fishroom.
@Lumi1992
@Lumi1992 10 ай бұрын
If you dont have a large fish room to feed, about how long can you feed from this hatchery?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 10 ай бұрын
You can put the unfed hatched baby brine in the fridge for about a day.
@EpicConspiracy
@EpicConspiracy 2 жыл бұрын
I just setup a Multy shelldweller tank in a 75 gallon. If i feed baby brine twice a day do I need to toss in flakes or small Pellets also?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 2 жыл бұрын
I usually give them both
@farmert9679
@farmert9679 4 жыл бұрын
Any ideas or tutorials you have to raise the shrimp to adult size?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it but I might in the future!
@johnwood738
@johnwood738 4 жыл бұрын
Watched the Coops video on this, my biggest question is do my super reds eat brine shrimp? Never really heard anyone say they are feeding them it.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Not that I have ever seen. They are grazers and the live baby brine shrimp would probably go to waste.
@sirrobbysterling9493
@sirrobbysterling9493 2 жыл бұрын
I can't seem to find the li k for the shrimp hatcher......help please
@paranorman1646
@paranorman1646 2 жыл бұрын
do you leave the bottom valve wide open????
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 2 жыл бұрын
For air? Yes
@paranorman1646
@paranorman1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@PrimeTimeAquatics for when you drain the brine shrimp like do you leave it wide open and then use the attachment valve to drain the shrimp
@BornAgainFarmGirl
@BornAgainFarmGirl Жыл бұрын
5:55 Blessed to have my first Aquarium themed video idea for my KZbin channel @TracyLovesDesign 🔨🧰🧨👷🏻‍♀😂!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@rallywagon261
@rallywagon261 4 жыл бұрын
This looks nice. Might get one of these to feed my Julies and Boesemani with. I do have a couple of questions though. How long do the eggs stay viable? At the moment I only have 2 tanks and probably 7 fish that would eat these. On that same note, how long will the shrimp last in their container?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
We can store the eggs for months in the freezer!
@janicelange8987
@janicelange8987 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to take if you have too much leftover baby brine and freeze for later use?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
It will usually die off pretty quick. You might be able to put it in the fridge though.
@charles7368
@charles7368 2 жыл бұрын
How long can you keep the brine shrimp once hatched?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 2 жыл бұрын
Keeping them in the fridge can slow their growth and extend feeding for a day or so. Otherwise they should be fed about 18-24 hours after putting the eggs in the hatchery.
@alicehaydamach5276
@alicehaydamach5276 2 жыл бұрын
Can I feed this to my grown neons and a small male beta fish?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@danHunsberger
@danHunsberger 3 ай бұрын
what size airline for the ziss????
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 ай бұрын
For the air supply I just used standard air line.
@danHunsberger
@danHunsberger 3 ай бұрын
thanks dude
@lisadewyngaert9028
@lisadewyngaert9028 Жыл бұрын
will young pea puffers eat this? I am having a heck of a time iwth mine lol.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics Жыл бұрын
Ours did!
@Pedro116092
@Pedro116092 4 жыл бұрын
QUESTION How long will the USB air pump run for? I am in Australia in the cyclone-prone part of the country and power outs is a given and I have 40 tanks and 5 ponds all with sponge filters in them and I will need to run them while I wait for the elec supplier fixes the issue. Love the channel
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
The pump is not battery-powered so it will only last as long as you have an energy source.
@fishiemon64
@fishiemon64 4 жыл бұрын
I owe one , I always get unhatched eggs in with my baby brine shrimp and can't seem too separate it is the eggs bad for the fry????
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Mine seem to leave the unhatched alone. What you will often see is two layers towards the bottom - a bottom layer where the unhatched eggs may be and just above that a layer with hatched brine that are moving. Try to pull from that layer if you are having that problem.
@augiehong3927
@augiehong3927 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always. You do a great job of using voice inflections and props to make the content engaging. Toughest thing for me and this product is the cost (vs nearly free if you DIY it) and size (this really seems for people with multiple fry tanks). Great job!
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@hieutran7815
@hieutran7815 3 жыл бұрын
Where to order your kind of brine shrimp ?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
It depends on how much you need. Small amounts can be ordered from Amazon. A nice medium supply from Aquarium Coop. If you are looking for larger quantities Brine Shrimp Direct is good.
@woodyfriendron
@woodyfriendron 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 240 litre Tank, 2Lt is way to big, do they make a smaller size?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen a smaller size. Check out the DIY video in the description - you can make them smaller. :-)
@novastarss
@novastarss 3 жыл бұрын
Where was this 8 months ago!
@catfishcave379
@catfishcave379 4 жыл бұрын
What size heater would you recommend - 10w? I think the old fashioned way of the incandescent bulb might work best... or a heating pad. I wonder if anyone makes one with a built in heat strip? Off to the internet! Your shell dwellers looked they wanted jumbo tiger shrimp!
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
I think the light would work best too. It will supply the heat and the light to help them hatch.
@ferlosaquatics4522
@ferlosaquatics4522 4 жыл бұрын
About how long will the brine shrimp live in that hatchery??
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
I don't push it much past 24 hours at 82 degrees. When I have fed at 36 hours there is a lot more dead shrimp.
@ferlosaquatics4522
@ferlosaquatics4522 4 жыл бұрын
Prime Time Aquatics good to know sir.. thank you!!
@jacquesbartlett5898
@jacquesbartlett5898 4 жыл бұрын
Brine shrimp really does wonders for fry.... But...... The cost (in South Africa ) of the brine shrimp eggs is expensive!!!!!
@noelbrucker135
@noelbrucker135 4 жыл бұрын
Great video - nice to see this thing in action. BTW I think you meant baking soda? You said baking powder first :)
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
Ya, that's what I meant. :-)
@monaangela4667
@monaangela4667 4 жыл бұрын
👍👌👍😍
@savannamm
@savannamm 4 жыл бұрын
I only have like 13 fry so I just use frozen bbs 😂 I'm not purposely breeding though
@RainiervanSlingerlandt
@RainiervanSlingerlandt 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I am concerned about is the unhatched eggs, what I know (and this is internet knowledge not real life experience). Is that the baby fish may eat the unhatched eggs clock up there bowels and die from that. But is that concern realistic, is that something I should be concerned about?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
Based on the way I extract the LBB I don't seem to have too many unhatched eggs in enter the water?
@RainiervanSlingerlandt
@RainiervanSlingerlandt 3 жыл бұрын
@@PrimeTimeAquatics Thanks for the reply, I bought the hatchery and think I'll get me some new brine shrimp eggs as well. Mine are about a year old and I didn't keep them in the fridge :-)
@swatch12345
@swatch12345 4 жыл бұрын
Now do the Brine Shrimp Direct one and compare them :)
@RainiervanSlingerlandt
@RainiervanSlingerlandt 3 жыл бұрын
I have the 'disc' as well. Have to say it is the easiest way to hatch brine shrimp. But it won't give me a consistent daily feed for my fish. With a heater and an air pump I am hoping to get better results with this hatchery. But haven't tried it yet.
@swatch12345
@swatch12345 3 жыл бұрын
@@RainiervanSlingerlandt I haven't used the disc style one but I've heard good things. I use the larger cone-shaped hatchery and have had great success.
@christopherwells372
@christopherwells372 Жыл бұрын
baking soda not powder...
@dollchristopher
@dollchristopher 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone else noticed that the box says "shimp"? At least it doesn't also say "bine".
@charlesriver6628
@charlesriver6628 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching multiple videos on your promotional product, and I just ordered one from you! One hobbyist claims that the base valve piece has an attachment for plastic tubing, which you show as well here! The problem is... he claims that standard plastic tubing does not not fit, it is too small! I hope this is not true after spending $81.00 plus! If I need your black air tubing for this I don;t want to have to spend more than what I need to for this black tubing! I understand you have minimum dollar requirements, but $81.00 is a lot of dough! What are my options now???
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
I actually don't sell these - they come from Aquarium Co-Op. You could certainly reach out to them and see what they say?
@rickjones9788
@rickjones9788 5 ай бұрын
You don't want baking powder ! You mean BAKING SODA . Theres a big difference .
@beverlyhines949
@beverlyhines949 4 жыл бұрын
I know this has nothing to do with this particular video but I need help with my alkalinity I've done a 25% water change and it's still high can someone please help all my other readings are good
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 4 жыл бұрын
I don't chase those parameters. I keep fish that do well in them.
@Buciiio
@Buciiio 3 жыл бұрын
Wish they made a smaller one. Like 1L or one that can be put in the tank so the tank can heat it.
@jmboulware
@jmboulware 3 жыл бұрын
The handle allows you to hang it on the side of the tank, and you don't need to use the entire volume.
@Buciiio
@Buciiio 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmboulware yes. But not when u have an acrylic tank. My acrylic tanks have a lip around the top. The lip is too wide for the handle to go over it.
@jmboulware
@jmboulware 3 жыл бұрын
@@Buciiio yes sir I wasn't thinking acrylic but you're exactly right
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460 3 жыл бұрын
Not happy, mine just came in and missing alot of the extras, Guess I need to email them
@jesselox3470
@jesselox3470 4 жыл бұрын
But what if you raised some to its full alien looking selves? 😁
@barb1906
@barb1906 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like well over $100+ dollars to hatch out shrimp wow. Too bad cause it looks like a nice hatchery.
@maurinedoyle9964
@maurinedoyle9964 3 жыл бұрын
How much are you spending on food - I figured in a year I will have recouped my cost
@tamiwild1965
@tamiwild1965 3 жыл бұрын
for me the health of my fish and babies way outweigh the cost concerns. I raise angelfsih and the brine has been a life saver (literally for the fry).. and these are very well made i have a feeling mine will last for years. it pays for itself. but i'm one of those that spare no expense when it comes to my fish.
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460 3 жыл бұрын
Jason, unfortunately I am returning the one I purchased, now I just got a email finally back from them that is not covered in the video unfortunately is the email says they sell all the products you showed here seperatly. I was doing brine shrimp with a dyi homemade system but was wanting more obviously so I will open a claim with PayPal and ship this one back. What a shame as I was thinking about a second one but now I do not want any. Just my money back. It's just not right they can't send the basic adapters to their own product if nothing more but I thought I would update you for other customers not aware. I respected your review until I found the truth. Behind this system unfortunately.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
I see what you are saying now - in the description I have links for each one of the products so I thought it would be obvious they are not all sold as a kit.
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460 3 жыл бұрын
@@PrimeTimeAquatics ... Yes I am just going with my dyi homemade system and return this. I just thought it would come with the basics, not the full thing for near $50 so therefore I do not feel this is worth it and it's a shame really but it is what it is. The design is nice though. The pump, tubing is not needed obviously, most aqurium keepers have that laying around. But buying this system is like buying a new car or truck without the tires or motor. Lol.
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
I have a DIY video as well that may be helpful :-)
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460
@supportyourtroopsathletes6460 3 жыл бұрын
@@PrimeTimeAquatics ... Yes I used that video and works well. I was just seeking a commercial unit or two. Your videos are very helpful and thank you kindly for all you do in the hobby. Now we are dealing with outsider tempatures again and that is making things harder once more for me personally as I breed both my rare albino and snow turtles and fish in a outside fish room and my solar wiring for heat and Filtration has a issue since I expanded a bit there also. Everything is so frustrating with this all.
@mrva99
@mrva99 3 жыл бұрын
Great video….. because there were no instructions……. I didn’t realize you could extend the discharge line out from under the valve for easier use. That was one of my few dislikes about this hatchery other than the fact there are NO instructions for us dummies!
@xSpaceInvader
@xSpaceInvader Жыл бұрын
Couldn't you have skipped the second shutoff? Seems redundant. The hatchery comes with one already.
@Dovietail
@Dovietail 3 жыл бұрын
You said baking powder. I think you mean baking soda. They are VERY different!
@ab4374
@ab4374 Жыл бұрын
Please don't hang this on the side of your tank you guys. I bought one yesterday, hung it on the side of a tank that was probably a bit small (60L) and it was fine until I went to bed. Got up 7 hours later to find the tank drained, killing about 50 month old goldfish fry. It's a LOT of weight to hang on the side of the tank, and if I hadn't been so busy & had thought about it more, I'd have waited and made a rail to hang it from. Hope someone can learn from my loss.
@WA-ir3fw
@WA-ir3fw 3 жыл бұрын
tell me you're sponsored without telling me you're sponsored,, tired this set up,, Its weak and troublesome! i went with the brine shrimp direct kit, check it out and you will get that. I use it for my dwarf seahorses and my molly guppy tank,
@daddysdachamp596
@daddysdachamp596 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question. So I only have 1 tank with 2 apistos that I want to feed baby brine to. What do you recommend should I do this just for them. I have other fish and other tanks but don't need baby brine shrimp for them. I do want them to breed. Should I do this but way less water and eggs?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics 3 жыл бұрын
You can certainly do that. If the other fish are smaller they will enjoy it too though.
@reneesnugent3358
@reneesnugent3358 Жыл бұрын
So. Is the regular brine shrimp ok for fry angel fish?
@PrimeTimeAquatics
@PrimeTimeAquatics Жыл бұрын
Adult brine would be too big. Baby brine should be just fine.
@reneesnugent3358
@reneesnugent3358 Жыл бұрын
@PrimeTimeAquatics I bought the brine shrimp from aquarium coop. So they are too large?
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