"The forced clunk on Warrior needs to stop" - Mini Podcast w/

[@halloweentimemachine]

Warrior is the only class playing poe2. The other class are playing Poe 1.5 and the monsters are still in Poe.

[@gsczo]

This is why I'm loving to play warrior, it feels engaging, I just need more reliable defenses.

[@purplelurple8029]

1 map 1 try.

[@FictionVolition]

This is 100% how i feel. You can almost make like a line graph that goes from act 1 to maps showing POE2 slowly becoming POE1 the further you get into the game.

[@67awesomekid]

crossbows are in same spot

[@bassboionthebeat7994]

noob take

[@Final_State]

LMAO "warrior has to consult their lawyer before attacking." I'm dead.

[@oORoOFLOo]

My years of listening to french friends speaking frenglish have paid off.

[@catra195]

15:10 I rewound 10x and neither me nor closed captioning knows what Warrior is supposed to be better than. "Shushshpshhush be"

[@Maclain55]

@@catra195 He just stuttered a bit and said "it's better than it's su-su-supposed to be"

[@RathVantas]

The rant about the hulking form with blood of the giants using stampede and bouncing off a spider or a cat was gold lmao

[@Tracerbullet328]

Stun duration is a joke. Some enemies don’t even get stunned too - like the Balbala map boss on Fortress. They also need to reduce the fixed attack times on all slams

[@cranknnutz]

Stun does feel very underpowered especially for Warrior/Mace. The enemy goes flying back. You have to walk back up to it. Charge up your slow ass attack. Then hope to hell it lands. After that you wait a year to be able to stun the enemy again. I feel like I can stun just as easy on some other classes and be able to get many more hits in.

[@Olvrin]

Or you stun the enemy and the very nanosecond the enemy gets unstunned, they one-shot you with basic attack xD

[@Rastei]

@@cranknnutz thats the best, you stun the boss and he jump 2 meters back stuned you have to actually stop what you are gonna do and actually WALK near to the enemy to continue damage... Feels like the game dont want you to do anything beside spam warcries or totems...

[@willprotector]

I like the slower style of the Warrior, but it needs to hit harder and more explosively to make up for the lack of speed. It should act and hit like tank. A lot more area effect of slamming mace attacks.

[@slippers8000]

Feel like the damage was seldom the issue but more that you'd get nuked too fast. Or how theres like 3 sea witches on screen and now you cant commit to any delay attacks since you're getting spammed with their insta death drown ball.

[@ShaddyzZz]

Sometimes you cant even get a slam off because its so slow, and you die before the slam goes off. It's a problem. Currently running Stampede which stacks with MS and not attack speed, so it's better. But you have to either not use a armor base chest, or not use a armor based sheild, or both. They slow you down too much for Stampede to feel good.

[@Kasgaatvaaknaarbuiten]

Slowness will never work. The rest of the game is built around fast classes.

[@frederickgibbons6918]

I respec my titan into explosive shot, it's like the slam skills with all the area but ranged and instant. Why take 3 seconds to die while trying to sunder when you could not do that?

[@Dereliction2]

If it absolutely wrecked with damage after the slow speed, it could even feel great. Warrior accomplishes pretty much none of the themes it's supposed to offer.

[@tiagostein4057]

Warrior can be clunk.. but there should be a payment for that.. Warrior should be MORE TANKY, not less, and have MORE dps than spell slingers and bow users.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Or just off screen the whole map with spark, or most any ranged skills. Warrior has that 1 ranged skill, magma balls or w/e. Only on 3 link, I have no passives or weapon for it, does crap dmg. Still feels nicer and chiller to use sometimes than my other skills that do way more damage.

[@allan293-f8c]

Correct, they need to change the gem levels also for leveling. For example it will help a lot to have sunder on level 12 or even the ancestral warrior earlier in campaign. Or something to be more like here what Ziz is doing. Look how fast and easy is to deal damage with spark. Warrior is bad.

[@via_negativa6183]

Yes the defenses are the problem

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

Yeah the only payoff for Mace/Shield skills feels like the high gem level scaling on totems, magma barrier and hammer of the gods...and those are still jank as hell to actually utilize, and other than magma barrier cost obscene amounts of mana at high levels, even if they kill pretty much everything if you get them off. Magma barrier can 1 shot entire packs with wildfire at +10-14 gem levels, but it takes forever to do so cause ignite prolif has 2 WHOLE SECONDS delay for some reason, really expecting them to buff that to at MOST 1 second...also a lot of bosses and even some white mobs don't really use any manual block-able hits...which seems kinda dumb, especially when some enemy "slams" are borderline indistinguishable from "strikes". I've been really enjoying 1 shotting bosses as Gemling Legionaire giants blood raise shield + weapon swap to dual 2h, but the build either completely obliterates content, or is completely obliterated by it, there is no in between and the main determiner is literally just "does this enemy have a blockable that doesn't just miss me all the time cause blockables are, for some reason, harder to get hit by than unblockables you have to dodge"....

[@brofst]

exactly, it should be TANKIER and more dps in exchange for being melee

[@BoomTag]

What carn said is what I've been thinking about for a while. The animations of abilities seem in line with the new bosses and style, but the monsters feel like they're from PoE 1 or have the modifiers from it. It's so crooked. The amount of times I got killed using an actual 'escape skill' with escape shot or toxic growth locked me in too long. I can see what GGG are trying to go for but I'm seeing 2 big seperates here and they don't go well together.

[@lokai765]

"are you enjoying the game though?" "...YEAH its uhh... like a dota type of thing" im sad about how much i relate to that response... but the even more sad thing is that PoE1 is what made me realize i could have fun without hating my life in a moba lol. full circle i guess

[@joshphillips1993]

The slow animations on melee feel sooooo bad. if it was just a long cooldown on the skill but it was a short animation to use it it would probably not feel so bad. its insane how many times i died inside an attack animation

[@YoutubeDictatorship2024]

Please no. That sounds like Diablo 4 and that gsme almost made me quit arpgs all together

[@slippers8000]

Honestly just feel that the issue isnt the slow attack animation but the time it takes to die is too fast. Disagree on the CD take btw, worst part about some builds in Last Epoch were the ones where you'd use a 3-5 skill combo all with different cds.

[@wolvie90]

It fucking baffles me how Spark can be in this game. "Ok so we want to make the game more methodical and revolve around multiple skills interacting with eachother, which PoE1 skills should be port over?" "How about the most braindead, self-sufficient clearspeed spell in the game?" "Genius"

[@joellb2918]

the clunk in the skills as set up / payoff is okay, if the rest of them game was set up for it. The mobs are way faster then the player and so the ''slowed'' skills feel terrible because you cant actually set them up. As they said, warrior is a poe 2 class playing against poe 1 mobs.

[@KyokujiFGC]

The problem is that other classes don't have the clunk and do the same/more damage and have better clear.

[@Cardinalsqr]

Warrior really needs to be faster. All the skills are insanely clunky. They need to be more fluid and be able to chain into each other better and not all have massive attack speed penalties. 60% of base attack speed feels like such trash.

[@djmaher9993]

I think the "clunk" has a place with correct implementation. That being said, I'm in the camp of slowing the game down. The gameplay in the background is not what I want POE2 to be.

[@dakai4992]

And slow methodical combat that doesn't rely on ground effects and one shots. I'd love that. Maybe PoE3. :/

[@slippers8000]

Maybe if even fast mobs had attack windups would help. So you dont lock yourself into your cool as slams just to have some tiny guy close the distance in half a sec and one shot you.

[@TylerrTazer]

@@slippers8000 I'm not even running melee, but siege cascade and the faster mobs I have to use my body to get them to stop long enough (with 100% proj speed) to get hit by the skill... I can only imagine what warriors do when they take like 95 years to hit once

[@tehTyrant]

I don't die a lot as a melee monk, but when I do, its on death explosion, random white mob one-shot or volatile plants (pls ffs, volatile plants is sooooooooooo fucking annoying)

[@illfate757]

I was just saying this, It feels like warrior is balanced around having Giants Blood. It feels like there is zero reason to use a 1 hander because everything is so jank/clunky. I leveled 2 warriors one with minions and 1 with Ice Strike.

[@bobbobb5759]

Warrior and Titan are actually strong ascendancies - its just the Mace skills which are awful really. And for their windup, mace skills should hit like 4-5x harder than any other classes skill, like a monk with a 0.18 attack time.... lmao

[@vuton7670]

that's what i'm thinking, we still have Axe and Sword, if they are better then wtf were they thinking about Slam build?

[@JordaanM]

In terms of strong ascendancy nodes, Titan has Hulking Form, that's it. Most of the entry nodes, eg "Slightly more inventory", "Slightly more health", and "disable boneshatter", are just awful.

[@randomhero6365]

The best warrior ability hammer of gods is ranged.. slow abilities would work better if every single mob didn't have a dash any move at the speed of light. Even with 35% move speed mobs still move faster than you

[@MartinezW]

i just gave up on my warrior, i mostly agree with eveything what Carn said. The best builds for warrior right now are not melee (mace)

[@championchrisplays3611]

It seems like their design for warrior is way too cautious. IMO they have been more concerned with how to stop warriors from having fun or feeling powerful than designing the class to be enjoyable. I'm new to poe with 2, but I've played thousands of hours in every balders gate and Diablo. This is by far the worse experience I've ever had in an arpg with warrior. Around t10 maps warrior was miserable. I switched to a caster and it's so much easier and more enjoyable the differences felt like 2 different games. I'll be honest if GGG doesn't significantly fix warrior idk if I'll want to play my favorite class in poe2 again.

[@raven_knight_076]

Should've been around in poe1 when melee required 2 buff totems to be re-summoned every few seconds just to get usable dps lol

[@Rastei]

@@raven_knight_076 the banner in poe2 is so useless lol...

[@championchrisplays3611]

So are the devs just incapable of making a good feeling warrior? Is it a deliberate decision or incompetence?

[@implodingllama2092]

@@championchrisplays3611 it can be summed up with them trying something new to make warrior have it’s own unique feel, and it went badly that’s all. It should be addressed in coming patches

[@slippers8000]

Imo it has more to do with the monster design than the warrior design. Had a blast with slams until i started getting 2 shot by every monster with a ranged attack.

[@Paledog1966]

Stampede just needs to be pushing back enemies at all times

[@Scoobert54]

Doing breach with stampede for clear feels awful without this. Legit so annoying.

[@MichaelMcDonald20]

The delerium monsters are a good example of what stampede should look like. When they spawn.

[@PorterPickUp]

Geezus just watching him one button the entire map while casually carrying on a conversation with his sorceress is ridiculous.

[@vuton7670]

it's not that hard, bro. Try doing it as a warrior/slam build

[@26183]

​@@vuton7670that's the point lol.

[@dan1eli]

Could not agree more with Carn on the state of warriors. The damage is there and nothing else. Slow movement, slow attack, no defenses and clunky skills. Stampede should push mobs away with the exception of Unique monsters.

[@OisinClissmann]

I think it was Ziggy D who said that Stampede did push mobs away during Alpha but they saw his build and made it not push away anymore after that.

[@vuton7670]

@@OisinClissmannI swear, the group working on POE2 are on drugs.

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Feels clunky because you can't take the heat during those animations. Fix the melee phsysical defenses (armor/life) and it will fix a lot of problems. The mace skills being slow, but devastating is not the issue. It's just a different gameplay and one that quite a few people enjoy, so we shouldn't try to take it away.

[@ToasterFoxx]

I have absolutely no problem with the slower playstyle, in fact I'm enjoying it. BUT, if I have to charge an attack for 2 seconds, please for the love of god, give me the ability to built a defense around that, so I'm not going to get oneshotted while completely rooted in place.

[@SomeguyFG]

The part where he goes off about being a stampeding titan that gets stopped by a single spider had me laughing hard, haha, it's so true!!

[@vazzeee]

The idea behind the mana thing on melee is that the warrior can hit the ground as he said. But to release the power of the gem that shatters the earth costs the mana not the hitting the ground.

[@tmrocks9204]

First character was warrior tell lvl 84 for 1.5 weeks of what a grind it felt like. Switched to monk and life changing.

[@Gelonyrum]

Just make Stamina instead of Mana and scale it from Strength, ez solution. Can be done in the same way as replacing witch's mana with some fire pool thing.

[@Shiem_]

The insane attribute requirements of giants blood is also bottlenecking all the good hammers in trade because they need to have the reduced attribute requirement affix to even be used

[@jorge15266]

It used to be 2 times instead of 3 before EA launched. Sad.

[@papis7676]

@@jorge15266 It is good as it is, otherwise everyone goes Giant's Blood. You either commit to it or not and shouldnt be any easy way.

[@hahahafunniness]

Got one up if you wanna buy it from me xD

[@Axterix13]

@@papis7676 Agreed. Giant's Blood needs to have that serious drawback, else why would you ever choose to not take it? A guy with a single 2h hammer should not be completely disadvantaged, and the guys with a 1h hammer and shield should have some advantages as well. Of course, currently, the defensive situation makes shield mandatory, and the 1h hammers are garbage, lagging way too far behind their 2h counterparts. GGG balance at its best.

[@cranknnutz]

@@papis7676 what warrior isn't using Giant's Blood? it feels mandatory to me. 1h weapon damage is terrible and you can't survive well enough without a shield in high tier maps.

[@VoyKarma]

I think warrior type ascendancy's should get some kind of inherit damage reduction to compensate for the clunk

[@via_negativa6183]

I actualy like the feel of the warrior it just needs some buffs you can cancel any attack at any moment with block or resounding shield and you can cancel that, you don't have to roll around like a spaz constantly, the problem is not the clunk it's the damage and the defences, how defence currently is dominated by energy shield is absurd

[@JohanCardel]

The mana issue is real. After leveling my Ancestral totem to level 37 I need to almost build my entire thing around recovery only to pay for skill cost. Definately not ideal, and no real way to reduce mana cost outside of 1 inspiration support. Nice interview, we all need Carn! :)

[@cypherpunk6417]

I'd definitely like to see a more granular breakdown to determine precisely where the sweet spot is.

[@Chiefmasamune]

It feels like one person at GGG playtested Warrior to about tier 5 maps and decided it was good enough. The QoL issues aren't a big deal when enemies don't hit that hard, but as soon as enemies pose a bit of a threat, it all falls apart.

[@ShortySeconds2Mars]

I just added armor on my monk, i'm pretty sure armor effects all hits, like how evasion doesnt make a difference between attacks and spells now, but... evasion states it only evades strikes, so slams and aoe spells basically always hit, but with just a little armor 20-25% which is pretty easy to get, feels like heavy diminishing returns after that, make a huge difference.

[@umcaraai1991]

you don t understand how armor works at all. go watch a video about armor, armor '' 20/25%'' is not 20 25 at all for big hits. you just don t feel it as hard because honestly monk is just not more op than spark atm

[@ShortySeconds2Mars]

@umcaraai1991 in poe1 sure, in poe2 not sure. I literally wrote down i can survive hits i couldnt with just 20-25% armor, i have 50%+ and im not really taking damage anymore.

[@Simon.Lindberg]

@@ShortySeconds2MarsHad 92% Eva and 74% Armour on my Monk. Still got slammed by all sorts of BS in T15-16. Defences needs a huge rework to even make sense.

[@sathdk79]

Bad maps will be fixed to some extent once Acts 4, 5, and 6 come out. There will be more maps in the pool.

[@leroyrobenson]

My first toon to maps was a self-cooked earthquake titan. Absolutely frustrating to just go make a deadeye and have 1/10th the trouble getting through things. Wild game design choices.

[@championchrisplays3611]

@leroyrobenson I'm so impressed by the designers and devs with this game. They may be incapable of making a good warrior class though.

[@mechaophidian]

I started out as merc with an xbow, found a unique mace and went mace + grenade swap. I pushed to 91 in the early weeks and was fucking hating the game. Full res cap armor cap and block cap and I was dying more then my spark friends. I rolled a sorc and it was like I was playing a different game.

[@XunanLiu-g5y]

like D&D, "i want to use stampede and rush over that spider" "sure, make your 20d roll" "i got 1..." "well critical failure, you try to rush over but got blocked by the tiny spider"

[@jorge15266]

95 warrior here now doing a Gemling. I feel this dude's pain.

[@ThiagoGraunke]

Great chat even though as a non native english speaker it is hard to understand Carn sometimes :)

[@virdixxii8341]

you are not the problem lol

[@oORoOFLOo]

The french are though to understand

[@recoil1592]

Funnily enough neither of them are native English speakers

[@Verto4321]

He has a charm lol

[@odotawaissaku3755]

I’m a native and I even live in the southern US where we are influenced by French, and Im still having trouble understanding lol. It seems like he barely moves his mouth when he speaks, so the sounds all mesh together

[@valiensfortus6400]

I like playing Warrior, it's cool to see impact when you attack, its mostly fun to press your mace buttons, but the game is bending over and backwards in order to not let you do so.

[@rathenn6959]

This was really interedting to listen to. Even during a3 campaign as warrior i agree with a bunch of what was said. Really hoping they fix armour and warrior/mace a bit.

[@The_Spiritlord]

On titan, the 50% increased bonus from small passives node is real nice if you plan well

[@erick_ac]

The worst part about mana costs with MELEE skills is that mana is an inherent INT stat, you literally get more mana by spec int nodes. Specially when attrib requirements are so high (and even tripled for some weapons), why would a fully melee warrior want to spec into that? If anything, Melee needs their own "energy" system where STR would give you the resources to "cast" your attacks. STR should give a character the power to swing big weapons MORE times.

[@KyokujiFGC]

Damage with two handed weapons actually doesn't work with some totem skills. The only things that work universally with most of the totem skills is attack speed, melee damage, global physical and area damage. My totems cost like 1100 life to cast at the moment, and I need to cast 4. That means I'm constantly almost killing myself just to get them off. The silliest thing about stampede is that the druid bear stampede pushes everything out of the way, lol.

[@andresalonso1143]

A slower, powerfully hitting warrior cannot exist in a game where most skills pop enemies instantly anyway, even for DEX and INT classes. There's no trade-off. Which is a shame, because I like the concept, but it only works if the speed balances out overall. Also, as an additional note, Devastate Armor Explosion still works. I am doing the Stampede-Boneshatter combo and it still works fine... it just doesn't clear off your screen by hyper-chaining like it used to, which makes sense. Builds should not be able to clear something you can't even see, be it Boneshatter or Spark or whatever. It's dumb.

[@tiagostein4057]

it can exist... but must be like sauron at the start of LoTR. one swing and a dozen elves flying

[@shmoe360]

On the melee costing mana thing, I think it's ridiculous that you have to constantly upgrade your weapon hoping you get a good roll leveling while you have the resources, try to find enough accuracy to actually hit enemies with the damn thing, and also manage mana pool size and recovery while trying to find ways to stay alive against the almost unavoidable mountain of chip damage you have to take to finally land a hit against the damn enemies. I've played attack and spell builds and its honestly crazy to me that casters can just pop in a +1 level 40% inc spell damage wand with random other mods and never change their weapon till maps and attack builds still have to expend resources on accuracy on top of all the other bs Honestly I don't know why they insist on a feels bad mechanic like accuracy for the player, they already turned off the distinction for evading spells/attacks, but I would totally be fine if they decided to axe the exponential mana cost on melee gem levels and keep accuracy so there's at least one pseudo resource you have to work on as a melee guy. Carn is totally right in how odd it is that guy with big hammer needs to use arcane power to hit a guy in the face really hard. Edit: lol he even went into the accuracy thing afterwards, totally agree

[@raghidabdulkhalek1597]

Also warbringer's imploding impacts (lets armor go negative) does not give a damage increase at all for some reason....

[@Johnstricklin1]

Ziz - So what are your thoughts on the current state of armor? Guest - HABLABALAKIDUAABSHXKDOSMANSJXKSKAJAHSNS. ZUG ZUG

[@xXxPhil03xXx]

He speaks cursive like xqc 😂

[@mategido]

@@xXxPhil03xXx italic cursive if I may add

[@dakai4992]

with a hint of comic sans

[@Vashthalas]

Kind of in the same boat, currently in a love/hate relationship with the game. I'm not nearly as high level as carn or ziz, but I put in a couple hundred hours in on warrior. There are many factors that contribute to an overall frustrating experience right now. I'm interested to see what will be addressed first and in what way.

[@andriusdi]

What Carn said here in podcast about warrior, I 100% agree, all of these things I instantly noticed while playing warrior, it's in a very bad shape. While I play I say to myself well this sucks, I hope they fix it as soon as possible, so I'm carried by hope that after holidays GGG makes some changes so gameplay feels a lot better.

[@cladwithzeal537]

Yeah I was stacking the 100%, 50%, 25% increased armor on shield to try and get more damage on shield charge but my armor value never changed on my shield…

[@ashero2092]

Monk feels good, because he's not melee. He conveniently bypasses every single melee mechanic and pretty much just a caster for hipsters.

[@ChilledUnskilled]

lol, I'll never look at my monk the same way again. Gonna need to get him a beard and an oat-milk latte

[@Johnnybsknees]

Warrior with totems, energy shiepd and molten blast can be caster for chuds

[@droid5785]

As a monk, most of my attacks bring me to enemies. Not always great when 15 lightning circles are expanding underneath an elite with 5% life left haha But yeah it's easy mode compared to my duos sunder+hotg My 33 totem warrior feels amazing I can't wait to start mapping and hate my life

[@Gumblethebear]

The slow attacks are not that hard to figure out. Make the attacks instant, give them a cooldown. We have CDR in the tree near the warrior. Give us a reason to use it. Sunder that casts instantly and didn't eat all your mana would be GREAT for clearing. A ton of mace skills would suddenly become viable if they just made them instant and threw a cooldown on them.

[@Drager00]

Enjoyed Carn's commentary, and honestly I think a lot of his points are issues for game as a whole and not just warrior. The defenses weirdly don't feel good even ES and evasion don't particularly feel great.

[@filipfenix]

every single POE2 developer working on the game should exclusively play mele for anything to change. Every single one of them.

[@banqsterz8160]

6:28 YES thank you. I'm running a HexBlast DemonForm build so I can't Build CI. I have 6k ES and still get 1shot randomly. I felt crazy with all the people saying ES is busted but it is only busted on 3 specific builds: Infernalist Minion builds, Spark CI MOM and Monk Invoker CI. I genuinely think Chaos damage is still overtuned, especially on white mobs where there is gonna be a whole pack of them waiting around a corner for you. I got flammed in global chat for saying this but I genuinely think they should make both the mobs and us tankier. The mobs should be tankier so we can play like they wanted us to, doing combos and multiple abilities. We should be tankier so we can actually do those combos without getting instakilled by a pack of mobs. I don't really care how they go about making us tankier (lowering the enemy damage or giving us more ways to get defense). I just hope they don't go the POE1 route where the game play is you 1 shot enemies or they will 1 shot you.

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

Yeah the only payoff for Mace/Shield skills feels like the high gem level scaling on totems, magma barrier and hammer of the gods...and those are still jank as hell to actually utilize, and other than magma barrier cost obscene amounts of mana at high levels, even if they kill pretty much everything if you get them off. Magma barrier can 1 shot entire packs with wildfire at +10-14 gem levels, but it takes forever to do so cause ignite prolif has 2 WHOLE SECONDS delay for some reason, really expecting them to buff that to at MOST 1 second...also a lot of bosses and even some white mobs don't really use any manual block-able hits...which seems kinda dumb, especially when some enemy "slams" are borderline indistinguishable from "strikes". I've been really enjoying 1 shotting bosses as Gemling Legionaire giants blood raise shield + weapon swap to dual 2h, but the build either completely obliterates content, or is completely obliterated by it, there is no in between and the main determiner is literally just "does this enemy have a blockable that doesn't just miss me all the time cause blockables are, for some reason, harder to get hit by than unblockables you have to dodge"....

[@Kensuke0987]

is it Warrior clunk? or Mace clunk? I think a little bit of clunk is alright (

[@Johnnybsknees]

I love warrior so much and I'm mostly new to poe so I hope it gets to a good level. I feel like they expect you to use the active block and have time between actions so it makes some sense for the skill design but there needs to be more compensation for the downsides. Like give an aura that increases defense while using these additional mandatory attack speed slowing slams. And replace the Nodes that decrease attack speed and replace them with someting that removes these at speed penalties idk. And buff life and armor i guess unless you want to nerf all these es users who think their science will save them

[@bcboy_]

playing spark while talking to a melee player is just BM

[@Knightik1]

Maybe carn missed that they increased the base mana regen from poe 1?, after watching alkaizer explain it, i just got some gear with base mana and now my warrior feels fine, ofc it can be hard to get that gear with the stats you wand AND mana in SSF.

[@bigsuff4397]

I hope that its just the mace skills that are the problem and things get better with swords and axes

[@mategido]

When you stop to think that maces are the only weapon type that don’t get an auto-attack upgrade from a skill….

[@faiz697]

It's almost like they hate warrior

[@Warsign01]

Skills going into cool down when interrupted by dodge roll is just dumb.

[@droid5785]

15:01 holy shit is he talking about Aftershocks doing MORE damage than the hits themselves? My friend is warrior and his Sunder AND HotG seem to just randomly do wayyyyy more damage. Crit? Aftershock? Damage range? Ability setup? He does most the same every time...

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

Again, ANIMATION LOCK in an ARPG is mindbogglingly stupid. Especially in an ARPG trying to emulate a Soulslike. You need to be able to react to threats. Tying some obnoxious clunky animation to a damage skill is just clueless.

[@1FatBubbatm]

I love Farm Cast!!! I wanted to play Sword and Board. So I went warrior Mace and Board. It sucked so hard. I made cold sorc and now I'm having fun.

[@K1m9857]

Stun charm doesnt exist Stampede is for the aftershock after the slam Maybe they can give the shield charge property that allows you to go through ads Armor should not allow you to face tank everything

[@EmJayproductions1]

I ran a merc with 83% evasion WITH acro and like 50% armor and I still died so much. Accurate monsters or just one big hit still obliterates you

[@slippers8000]

Think the forced clunk in Warrior is a great idea even though some skills feel a bit too slow to come out. Thought every weapon would have in some form forced clunk. Like quarterstaff have the "third hit" mechanic. Then you play it and that third hit doesnt really matter. Why arent the bow skills charge skills that scales the damage/aoe? Or sorcerer just waving their hand.

[@johnnyb3486]

Maybe i am out of pocket here, but listening to them talk i find it kind of wierd that they think underperforming builds should do better on bosses to effectively oneshot them same as other builds rather than to re-balance bosses so that they cannot be oneshotted at all, if i understand correctly what they are saying. Oneshotting bosses, not having to really engage with them at all feels super bad and a complete opposite of what it feels like GGG wants to do with bosses. The bosses themselves are really good, and in the early game when you don't absolutely curve stomp them it feels really good to fight them. I hope they lean more in to this and re-balance boss fights in particular to not be oneshottable.

[@tinfoilpapercut3547]

Try quarterstaff on Titan, amazing. I wish maces were too.

[@Furycrab]

Guessing he just means cultist hammer + armour explosion, at which point if that gets nerfed we lose most breach clear or have to resort to skills that feel like shit. If they make totems scale with pdps of the weapon, then the SSF or event early league experience will turn to shit. I do think some of it needs to change with a major patch or league launch, but if you just take those things away without buffs... You delete the class, and people stop testing. Almost level 95 SSF warbringer here.

[@Warsign01]

Good luck finding a high damage, +melee, low strength cultist hammer.

[@Dziodan]

I like how i click -1 -1 -5 attack speed then travel 4 nodes to click +3 +3

[@dayanson6920]

No monk isnt in a good place. Bell and the electric/ice attack are really good and that can be used by any class. Theres literally no reason to use any other ability. Thats kinda the same for most skills in the game. For casting theres like 2 good and rest are just time sinks.

[@Olvrin]

I really hope they'll fix a loooooot of issues... I know its still early access, a lot of stuff is missing and blablabla, but they really need to work hard... the more stuff and issues I see the more I feel like rather playing LE

[@TheShamefurDispray]

melee basically just has the same range/area most of the time as ranged (spark excepted which hits the whole screen and more multiple times over) but armor sucks and there's basically negative attack speed in warrior area. Monk "melee" is as easy as it gets in poe2 and sword/dagger/flail/axe are just as likely to be fine as not; these problems are all just related to mace nodes, warrior area, armor, and on-death BS, and have nothing to do with "melee"

[@tromend]

I still believe ES and Armour should be reworked. Armour not applying to ALL Attacks, regardless of damage type, makes literally no sense. It was fine in PoE1 because well, we got used to it I guess, but Armour should just apply to hits of all damage types (Though spells not being mitigated I agree with), of course at a reduced efficacy against elemental/chaos hits, but still apply it should. This makes armour stacking be a viable way of damage mitigation, you still need other ways to not die, but making a beeg beefy guy that just face tanks anything because YES, it's the warrior fantasy, but that fantasy dies the moment you see a monster that deals pure chaos/Elemental dmg. Plus, make armour just be better against Phys DMG. It is just abyssmal, specially in a game with "Armour break" as a concept. Guess what, armour break would be fine if, before it being broken, You essentially couldn't die to physical damage hits. I know, Mindblowing. ES, on the other hand, if they WANT it to be considered a "Defense" Needs to be able to mitigate SOMETHING, It's a Shield FFS, My pitch Spell damage, so ES mitigates Spell (magic damage essentially) Hits and AoE dmg, this effectively gives ES a "Natural Elemental damage Reduction" of sorts while still keeping it weak to, you know, getting melee'd by 6 guys perma-stunning you. This way you are strong against spell casting, but your defenses are no more than "big number big" against Attack Damage. They would have to add "Spell" and "Attack" tags to most mob abilities, but you know what? Worth it. Evasion? They're fine, Their defenses are MS and "DON'T GET HIT, MF" If anything, Give the Evasion some way to get ES or HP without having to sacrifice a metric shit ton of points. IF you bend my arm and tell me to also rework that to keep it "fair" then Add Mitigation to AoE to Evasion. You take "x% Less damage from AoE" based on your Evasion percentage. This just makes it have a little but more survivability without taking away the concept of them "Being squishy but hard to damage in the first place." They squirm away, jump over the damage, duck out of the way of a slam, yadda yadda. You know the drill.

[@c-tothefourth4879]

"(Though spells not being mitigated I agree with)" The game doesn't distinguish between spells and attacks.

[@tromend]

@@c-tothefourth4879 Yes, Yes it does. It does for You primarily. Spells and Attacks are two VERY distinct things in the code for Players, why can't it be the same for Mobs?

[@odotawaissaku3755]

@@tromendIn PoE 1, mobs did have spells and attacks, but the devs removed that in PoE2

[@tromend]

@@odotawaissaku3755 Yes, So re-add it. And tweak Defenses around them.

[@c-tothefourth4879]

@@tromend Because they just removed the distinction of mob attacks/spells lmao. No need to re-add it.

[@mcjester1523]

if they just rename mana on melee classes to something relevant like idk stamina. it wont solve the issue. so realism wise it should just be like youre a high level warrior adept with melee weapon use it should get easier and easier to use the skills because you are the pro. yes we neeed mechanics to keep it in check but make it like idk giants blood also gives you a mana cost reduction when using the skills because you are HIM. blood of the gods running through your veins.

[@esideras]

"It's a DotA-type of thing" xD Exactly!

[@FatetalityXI]

Carn!! Monk exists, we do not fall for spells cuck shenanigans. 😌

[@ulxtmx5018]

I'll just say that PoE 2 is already the better game, but Barbarian in D4 is some of the most fun and good feeling melee I've played in an APRG for that archtype - yes sometimes it was wildly busted but it was glorious while I played it.

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

Funnily it was never that busted. D4 community can’t stand barb being strong. Giga-sorc & giga-druid builds were stronger than barbs on any season where barb was “the strongest class”

[@masta4k]

Carn doesn't know if the spider are not titan too 😂

[@GrandpaJay1]

Warrior is so good guys, you just don't play Mace except for Hammer of gods on weapon swap for single target, problem solved xD

[@Hoxra]

i play titan and use bloodmagic with 3.9k life Hammer of the gods lvl 27 i don't know why everybody is playing totem or stampede , i hate those spells

[@smileyanator]

really like the farm talk but with the lower barrier to entry of the conversation is coming with significant audio issues. Call me a noob but i'm not picking up what the keywords being said is 90% of the time so it ends up just sounding like. X is too good, Y is too bad but what X and Y is I couldn't tell you.

[@JokerFishClownShoe]

I'm starting to hate myself over how bad I am at the game.

[@josuevazquez6639]

Just play at your own pace and don’t compare yourself to the streamers. I have like 1500 hours in poe1 and started late on the poe2 early access and I’m barely halfway through cruel, but I’ve been enjoying it at my pace and using all my currency to make better weapons as I go. I’ve found like 10 exalted so far and I know you can just trade but I’ve been having fun creating my own weapons as I play. Not the most efficient way to play but for me it has been really fun.

[@vaquri]

PoE 2 is definitely the hardest arpg out right now. Build crafting is difficult and you have to spot dodge attacks. Don't feel bad for struggling in a difficult game

[@JokerFishClownShoe]

@@josuevazquez6639 Thank you, you're right.

[@JokerFishClownShoe]

@@vaquri Yeah you're right, thank you. I appreciate that.

[@owlmostdead9492]

I told you armour is beyond useless, the further you go the worse it gets

[@steamh4mmer264]

Hope ggg watches this

[@bearrington2024]

I still dont understand this "The game is amazing but every mechanic is just terrible" Like it feels so fake, like people simply want to like the game or are playing it because they make money to. Like Cardnarak spent an hour describing why the game is bad (he even uses things like "trash" and "unplayable") and feels like someone forcing himself to do something he does not want to do

[@moffspinkin]

using Mana (scaled from INT) for melee attacks makes perfect sense - because you are using taumathurgical gems for them not human strangth alone

[@UIMcocodog]

People sayin this is just a war problem are copeing. 80% of this is core mechanics. Monk is good because its imba atm. But It still has all the jank and feels shitty to play......

[@iraney7428]

you got an ad selling real money for POE2 currency on your youtube channel not really a fan of that.

[@andriusdi]

It's random and it's done by youtube, not Ziz. Try searching something Poe2 related on youtube, you will get 1 RMT add every 3rd video :)

[@Strandinator243]

i want more farm talks

[@peterruskov]

Is Zizaran dumb? Melee is from what distance you use your skills, not what the skill does. You can use bows or spells and still be "melee"

[@canopeea]

i bet sword and axe will be a lot faster than mace copium

[@jonpro9637]

Hey did you know Diablo 4 has reached its ultimate form? 😉