Zodiac - Paul Stine crime scene - HD

[@peterfrank3365]

Mark Ruffalo really fits the role of a detective in a neo-noir.

[@egb50000]

Ruffalo is a fine and defined actor. He definitely doesn’t get enough credit for roles he’s played.

[@double-og4570]

He was also a detective in Collateral

[@Cum007]

@@double-og4570 and a psychiatrist playing a detective to trip up his partner in Shutter Island (2010) He was good in collateral I didn't like Cruise's performance

[@jackmoscow9290]

Bro he needs to play Columbo!

[@nilevalleyafrican9451]

Classic never dies

[@FuNWithAChemicaLBomb]

Every cut of this scene has CGI superimposed in editing. For a movie released in 2007, this is very impressive.

[@greenandtan4575]

Weekdays so didh up

[@el34glo59]

For any time it's impressive

[@peteocean2848]

Great movie makes me speculate

[@LumpyAdams]

CGI done right.

[@WarioWareProductions]

What do you mean?

[@Fan_Made_Videos]

I love the investigative process between the two detectives as they try to recreate the scene with various motivation scenarios. It's also more creative unlike the deluge of CSI TV shows that actually recreate the scene within the scene so as to not allow the audience to imagine the investigators' thoughts. The music is also a very effective and is reminiscent of Charles Ives' "The Unanswered Question" composition which is highly regarded piece of music that has influenced film composers from Bernard Hermann, John Williams, and Jerry Goldsmith to Hans Zimmer, James Horner, and David Shire (Zodiac)

[@Fan_Made_Videos]

If it's the style you really like then you should check out other crime thriller movies from David Fincher, who directed Zodiac, like Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (US/English version), his current series on Netflix "Mindhunter". Old school movies like All The Presidents Men and The Candidate (both with Robert Redford) also capture the tone of the country in the 60s and 70s much like Zodiac does.

[@calebcarcagno7547]

@Anon Inconnu Very late to reply to this comment, I know. But for good cop shows like you described, watch The Wire, Homicide: Life on the Street, and True Detective.

[@jimmymeridian5174]

I love how they speak so practical about what they first assume to be a simple botched robbery. They don't understand why a robber would hang around the corpse of a person they just murdered, they don't understand why a robber would shoot a cabby for 8 dollars. Because they're dealing with someone far more difficult to pin down. It's like Paul Avery line, "You can't think of this case in normal police terms."

[@robamiri9665]

"he looked normal" lines like this constantly get over looked

[@Jeje-nd9mk]

The soundtrack is awesome....like everything in this movie!

[@GothicKin]

Almost sci-fi mystery at times, gives that feeling of something out of reach

[@tnreprasentog7769]

Whoever did the Cinematography is this movie did a phenomenal job.. a lot of movies don't nail night time as well as this movie does it looks like a dark rainy night in 70s California

[@beatlejuice7755]

"The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover." -- Zodiac

[@EmmaSaints]

He was about to get busted so many times. If things had gone just slightly more inconveniently for him, the Zodiac would've been finished.

[@goodstuff8156]

“This is the Zodiac speaking”

[@acrustykrab]

Can you IMAGINE!!

[@iamtimfoley]

1:35 David Shire's score sounds so much like Bernard Herrmann's Hitchcock scores from the 50s and 60s. Brilliant. Just one of so many great things about this amazing movie.

[@ryohn5468]

I have visited the site before and it has a very strong energy around it.

[@AuschwitzMyPants]

I love how the director David Fincher put motorcycles in this scene driving around and making a bunch of noise. After the murder of the taxi driver Paul Stine, the Zodiac sent the San Francisco Chronicle a letter containing a piece of the bloody shirt of Paul Stine. In the letter, the Zodiac wrote "The SF police could of caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcicles seeing who could make the most noise. The cop drivers should have just parked their cars + sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover". In this scene, the loud noises made by the police motorcycles is exactly what happened that night. In all likelihood, the Zodiac hid in the bushes and had front row seats to the police investigating the taxi murder.

[@DingDangg]

Crazy the zodiac was lurking and hiding within a few blocks while the investigation was still ongoing. Creepy AF!

[@unr3alGaming]

I'm not convinced he was still right near the crime scene by that point. He was likely in the area, though. As they said in the dialogue here, dogs were on the way, so it would have benefited him to leave ASAP. One of the first officers on scene, Armond Pelissetti, followed what may have been the Zodiac's escape path on foot, and it seemed likely to him that he jumped over the fence/bushes into the Presidio Park and disappeared into the park which was not lit and was in certain parts somewhat thick with trees and brush, which would have taken the police ages to comb through in an attempt to find the trail of somebody running. Both him and Donald Fouke, another officer nearby who reportedly passed by somebody vaguely matching the description of the suspect who immediately ducked into a stair case leading up to a house on Jackson street, described the area as being extremely well lit, making it difficult to hide. My guess is that either the suspect beat feet out of there and quickly hopped over the fence/bushes into the Presidio Park and left before police even showed up, or he ducked into the aforementioned entry way on Jackson Street when the police cruiser passed by, then he found a way to the Presidio and disappeared into the night despite the police being right nearby. It's a real shame if you look at all of the events and consider what small spans of time took place between police presence and the crimes themselves, or what huge oversights took place that contaminated crime scenes or left huge omissions from police reports that may have helped identify a suspect sooner. As retired Benicia police officer Pierre Bidou suggested in one of the Zodiac documentaries from the DVD; it's quite likely that they would have caught this person if they had today's technology and investigative techniques/training available back then.

[@OscarLopez-gw3jx]

incredible detail

[@boogyman489]

Kids are the WORST witnesses ever!

[@apexjones2576]

boogyman489 it wasn’t the kids fault the cops said it was a black guy lmfao

[@adape0884frank]

My family relatives lives in SanFrancisco @ the time and they told me thatbthe witnesses were a set of 20 year old kids.

[@daliilars3350]

No shit.

[@nutyyyy]

@@apexjones2576 Its not clear whether they said he was black or if it was just a miscommunication. Its also not totally clear if the man spotted by police was the Zodiac. Though it likely was.

[@benderbendingrofriguez3300]

imagine you''re a 12 year old that just witnessed a murder ,how would you react dumb ass ?

[@MegaCrocosaurus92]

Ruffalo and Edwards are an unexpectedly amazing pair up for detectives!

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

I love this CGI. It's like Mark and Anthony were dropped right into the scene of Paul's horrific death rather then a shitty reenactment of it.

[@tomascarvajal3183]

0:57 and this is why Zodiac was never caught

[@sir243_simr]

Very underrated film.....good movie

[@adamhonestyanddecency5054]

ss ri Yes. Scarier than any horror movie.

[@CSC52698]

It's one of my all-time favourite films.

[@Bestrapperalive_]

this is where the almost caught him.... imagine if the cops were smart enough to remember what he looked like

[@beatlejuice7755]

"The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover." -- Zodiac

[@Bestrapperalive_]

@@beatlejuice7755 he rlly said that?

[@beatlejuice7755]

@@Bestrapperalive_ Yes, that's what makes the scene so great. You can hear the motorcycles throughout the scene and you get an understanding of their priorities.

[@peterfrank3365]

And there are still folks with the mind that CGI are the enemy to cinema.

[@Boxscot49]

Uh no

[@darmus8928]

CGI is not the enemy. The tendency to rely on CGI is.

[@gpapa31]

This scene here is a perfect example of what CGI can do when used right. The decision to use it and at what amount derives from the question: will it be noticeable? Most shots that use an overwhelming amount of CGI tend to look cheap and make the scene fake and look like a video game. The perfect shots usually come when the CGI complements the practical effects (e.g: all Nolan movies, first Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, some Villeneuve movies, some Fincher movies etc).

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

Exactly. A majority of marvel cgi is pure trash to look at today.

[@nutyyyy]

Sure but if the people were CGI'd that would look pretty ridiculous. This is exactly what CGI is really good for.

[@TheAmirata]

Weird how this was the last confirmed Zodiac killing. Why? Did he decide to stop? It’s also noteworthy because it’s where the first composite sketch was made. It’s as if the Zodiac stopped because he thought they were getting close, or he couldn’t afford cops making a second composite sketch.

[@GovernorRiffRaff]

Zodiac was a bumbling idiot who realized how close he was to being caught that night. After shooting a gun inside of a car I’m sure the noise was disorientating, not to mention the muzzle flash would have been blinding.

[@acrustykrab]

Yeah even the Zodiac must have realized how close he was to getting caught. Police saw him in their peripheral vision while approaching the scene. He barely escaped that time he must have been on an adrenaline high

[@alexandermoss1302]

Watching this again recently, and the homages/references to Jaws are hard to miss, and supremely effective. Zodiac was the shark, San Francisco was the small town in Massachusetts… Amazing.

[@garethwest9069]

Normal in 1970 and "normal" now are two completely different things. "Officer, I'm not a biologist ..."

[@TheSamplebridge]

2:34. The guy standing by the pole is supposedly the zodiac killer.

[@rhysroberts515]

I doubt the Zodiac would've stood that close to the investigation. In fact the supposed Zodiac walked off and two police officers saw him, but were told to look for a black man. They could've almost caught him there and then.

[@TheSamplebridge]

@@rhysroberts515 i doubt that too. But they showed it in a cool way.

[@rhysroberts515]

@@TheSamplebridge Oh for sure! Such a fantastic film

[@Mark18Martin]

i don't think so personally. the Zodiac killer / Lee is tall and stocky...the dude by the pole looked tall but more of a slim build..

[@DingDangg]

He was supposedly hiding in a bush at the near by park

[@ikejugend]

Hulk + Colombo = Hulombo

[@footballgeorgiebest]

Columbo would of caught Zodiac as he would drop his guard while listening to stories about Mrs Columbo’s cooking.

[@jimmy2k4o]

One more thing.....don’t make me angry Lol I had too.

[@nothing.lasts.forever]

@@jimmy2k4o 😁

[@elimitchell9716]

the motion in this video makes Zodiac look like Collateral

[@davebar2017]

Our family was where cab 912 was in 1971 to take pics. A teen boy from that home yelled at us not to photograph the house , leaving a 65 malibu whips in blocks us its Toschi and Armstrong dad was cuffed when he gave his name ...Lee Mom almost got a pic of it

[@DMalltheway]

I rode my bicycle on this corner last week and the CGI is pretty spot on even tho it would’ve been better to shoot it at the actual location

[@documentsdrop7821]

I think they wanna keep it 60s

[@GothicKin]

The cgi is there to recreate the exact landscape of SF in the 60s, I think many scenes are in the actual exact location with CGI used to remove/add details based on historical accuracy

[@DMalltheway]

@@GothicKin Not the Vallejo attack at the beginning, that was CGI.

[@ActivistBatonVI]

Man, they were so close to getting Zodiac here, they could've got him with his pants down but due to the negligence of other officers, Zodiac got away and added salt to the wound by bringing it up in his next letter.

[@iforgotthenamemate]

and imagine that a lot of CGI was used here just to enhance the picture

[@TyRanT_SoLDieR]

I think there was a reason why the Zodiac killer chose that outfit that night. Someone once told me that you can’t see blood on those certain color clothing. That color jacket and pants.

[@fritzidler9871]

Why Paul Stine? Zodiac said, he was collecting slaves for his afterlife. And missed killing two of the men. Before Paul's murder, Zodiac had three women, and only one man. Zodiac was trying to make up the difference. So if that pattern was to make sense, Zodiac needed to kill another lone male. Did that ever happen?

[@avanindrad5988]

Fritz Idler nothing like that was confirmed, as far as i know

[@timmaloney9976]

I don't think so, no. He went after women I think after this one. He might have given up after this and thought women were easier prey.

[@muckaxe]

He killed Stine so he could use pieces of his bloody shirt to prove that he was killer while taunting the police and public. The notoriety is the only thing he really cared about. He tried to take credit for murders he didn’t commit, and he kept sending letters long after he stopped killing. He derived his sense of power and control not so much from the killings themselves but from the terror and infamy that resulted from the killings. He thought he was smarter and better than everyone else. That’s why he changed his MO and wore disguises; he didn’t really get off on the ritual the way that other serial killers do.

[@jackhamilton9604]

Fritz Idler a night club owner called Ralph Spinelli claimed that Arthur Leigh Allen confessed to be The Zodiac in order to get a security job, and to prove it he would kill a cab driver. If Allen truly was the Zodiac that could be the reason why he killed Paul

[@nutyyyy]

No but he almost got caught here and probably had some hearing loss from shooting a man in the back of the head with a 9mm in a closed car. That's going to be incredibly loud and it wouldn't shock me if he had some hearing loss after this. He doesn't seem to have killed again.

[@ArianiMauve999]

Cowardly and Horrible crime done to Mr Paul Stine!

[@caltom1427]

I’ve been to that location. Eerie in broad dayLight.

[@Dendelin007]

wow, so man from earth even vitniced one of zodiac's kilings.. or his children did.. whoa

[@WackZest]

Pepe Silvia, everyday this guys mail is getting sent back to me

[@kvol1668]

Just realized for the first time that Mark Ruffalo puts that flashlight back in his pocket at 1:32 and then it's back in his hand a second later. I've watched this hundreds of times. XD

[@decentviewer5417]

what? no

[@evelynwells-rk1ed]

New person of interest in the zodiac killer is a man named joe stine.

[@easyenetwork2023]

First thing I would have asked is why was the wrong description given to begin with?

[@ymirs4400]

It’s common to confuse “dark figure” with “dark skinned” when playing telephone with descriptions, other than that, it’s the 1960’s so probably racism played a role

[@tommyl3207]

Or maybe most of the violent crimes police officers were confronted with were committed by black perpetrators? @@ymirs4400

[@davebar2017]

In june 1971 our family went to Disneyland & a cousin at a ozark weekly wanted dad to take panoramic pics of all the zodiac crime scenes. At wash & cherry , 2 other cars taking pics we #3. Then a 65 malibu speed in blocking us dad tried to back out ,until the 2 guys popped out with police tags ....it was dave toschi ( I remember the hair) and armstrong . they cuffed dad after telling his name Lee ....mom almost got a pic of it

[@markyboy214]

No way

[@TheAnonymous-d4l]

liar

[@williamr5462]

Amazing.

[@MegaAlcoholics]

David Fincher’s… Columbo.

[@lennarthagen3638]

What episode of csi is this

[@RedDawgTN]

Maurice Boscorelli

[@michalleby]

OMG thank you so much I was trying to figure out who it was and why he was familiar!!

[@RedDawgTN]

+Michalle Ben Joseph You're welcome. I wish somebody would release the other "Third Watch" dvds, already! That was and still is a great show.

[@Jeje-nd9mk]

"Mmmm... normal"lol

[@calebteo408]

shit idk why i laughed so much at your comment lol

[@NoahBehlmaier]

Who thinks the zodiac killer still alive ?

[@skoomamuch356]

3:46 Prof. John Oldman AKA Jesus

[@russellalford9262]

Miss them

[@andresramirez4469]

The reason he was never caught is because they thought they were looking for a black man

[@RabidWildCreature]

law and order shit. literally exactly how they all start

[@endliberalism382]

ted cruz brought me here

[@adamhonestyanddecency5054]

End Liberalism How's that?

[@bigkingspeakerdwestemperor5068]

@@adamhonestyanddecency5054 Ted Cruz was the Zodiac killer before he went into politics.

[@adamhonestyanddecency5054]

Space Hitler No. You’re thinking of Drew Carey.

[@russellalford9262]

$35 doll AR

[@borkboxtv8167]

So they wanted it to be a black man?!?

[@Starchdread]

My favorite scene in the movie.

[@Jake-jh7bg]

Kjell qvale was Zodiac. He lives two blocks away