Zombie Lake - Good Bad Flicks

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@ptittannique5621
@ptittannique5621 2 жыл бұрын
This is a cult classic of French exploitation! Apparently, they had to film it with a defective camera that filmed at irregular speeds, so the actors had to play either a little fast or a little slow to compensate. Also, they hired local actors with very heavy local accents, making some lines of dialogue completely unintelligible to most French speakers (during the mob scene, an actor sounds like he exclaims the meaningless word "Promizoulin!", which became a cult line to French-speaking aficionados of the genre). Actor Howard Vernon, a Jess Franco regular, apparently later said that they might as well have skipped shooting this with film, and just straight-up use toilet paper in the camera instead. Now if *that's* not a resounding endorsement, I don't know what is! Great video as always, Cecil--I'm very happy you covered this one!
@Vasterien
@Vasterien 2 жыл бұрын
Promizoulin, on les aura !
@ptittannique5621
@ptittannique5621 2 жыл бұрын
@@Vasterien Proumizoulin, camarade ! On va leur botter le squeele !
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extra info! :)
@XploitationRR
@XploitationRR 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever my friends at university got annoyed at me, they'd call me Zombie Lake because they asked me to bring over a movie and I brought this. They weren't too pleased with my choice :)
@docsamson198
@docsamson198 2 жыл бұрын
The opening scene with so much abundant, graphic nudity was more riveting than the beginning of The Dark Knight. Thanks, Cecil.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@cannibalchainsaw
@cannibalchainsaw 2 жыл бұрын
The Orson Welles bit totally cracked me up.
@deansalmon1773
@deansalmon1773 2 жыл бұрын
The alien gargoyle is in a church in Scotland. It’s a listed building and they actually passed the gargoyle off in planning so it is actually meant to be there
@AkuTenshiiZero
@AkuTenshiiZero 2 жыл бұрын
I love how when the zombie is endlessly gnawing on that woman's neck, there is VERY CLEARLY no wounds whatsoever. Like he even pulls back and the camera has a full view of her very stained but otherwise unblemished neck.
@hotel283
@hotel283 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, once you start with 'lesbian vampires' you've got half a script right there. Efficient film making.
@vtr0104
@vtr0104 2 жыл бұрын
My only complaint about Zombie Lake was that there were absolutely 0 lesbian vampires in it. 1/5 stars :|
@Eisenwulf666
@Eisenwulf666 2 жыл бұрын
i think that's a vision we can all respect, frankly. Need to watch more movies by him...for research purposes.
@ruffusgoodman4137
@ruffusgoodman4137 2 жыл бұрын
And this theme also connects to sex! And undead! And nudity! This director was simply leaning to his usual working tools
@charlesbronson4282
@charlesbronson4282 Ай бұрын
Lesbian vampires is where it's at!!!
@jimhaverlock9784
@jimhaverlock9784 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that they had one idea for this movie and filmed it twice is fantastic
@jimhaverlock9784
@jimhaverlock9784 2 жыл бұрын
Nude girl goes swimming, is eaten by Nazi zombie. Nude girls go swimming, or eaten by Nazi zombies.
@willywonka7812
@willywonka7812 2 жыл бұрын
Arun Brown, on my life!
@Scarlet-Dragon
@Scarlet-Dragon 2 жыл бұрын
Kmsl
@guyvizard549
@guyvizard549 2 жыл бұрын
"...the music gets happy so the girls get naked." God, I miss the 80s.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
It was a magical time
@shallendor
@shallendor 2 жыл бұрын
The 80's were the best time to be a teen!
@bZman
@bZman 2 жыл бұрын
Get the Delorean boys we gotta go back!
@guyvizard549
@guyvizard549 2 жыл бұрын
@@bZman Where we're going, we don't need... clothes.
@Kurze1988
@Kurze1988 2 ай бұрын
​@@guyvizard549awesome
@Vile_Entity_3545
@Vile_Entity_3545 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t beat the comedic narration. Good bad flicks is the best.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DrQuagmire1
@DrQuagmire1 2 жыл бұрын
@GoodBadFlicks: "Somebody had Taco Bell"........ HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
@christophefoltzer2744
@christophefoltzer2744 2 жыл бұрын
Proud to see our most important director in horror genre on Good Bad Flicks. Even if it's for Zombie Lake.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of surprised its taken so long to get to a Rollin film
@wimvanderstraeten6521
@wimvanderstraeten6521 2 жыл бұрын
Given the apparent age of the soldier's daughter the movie should be set during the Fifties, yet all the characters are obviously wearing contemporary clothes.
@cameltrophy3
@cameltrophy3 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my God. You did Zombie Lake. I went to a small college prep high school. We lived on campus, and our professors did too. They were in charge of us. On weekends they would always show a double feature movie in the auditorium. If the professor who had duty that weekend did not want to stay up and show the second movie, they would always put on Zombie Lake thinking no one would stay to watch. BUT we all came to love this terrible movie and would always stay until the end just to mess with the tired professor. There is T&A, but it is such a terrible movie it didn't matter. I think about a very simple time in life when I think about Zombie Lake.
@clintmcbride7830
@clintmcbride7830 2 жыл бұрын
"now they'll never get that smell out of the fish" has made my day. Thank you Cecil.
@drummerdaver
@drummerdaver 2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how the daughter was born 10 years ago, but when the zombie father came back she hadn’t aged a day
@sogawa7
@sogawa7 2 жыл бұрын
Jean Rollin's work is very loose, but perhaps because he's a professional photographer, the composition is elaborate and full of girlish tastes, so I watch it to the end. Though I fall asleep several times.
@thanosandnobill3789
@thanosandnobill3789 2 жыл бұрын
The quality consistency of your videos is top notch my friend. You are easily one of my favorite youtubers for more than 7 years!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@maxhill9254
@maxhill9254 2 жыл бұрын
+1
@wopjohn
@wopjohn 2 жыл бұрын
The girl was born during WW2 and is 10. Making it in 1950s. Yet the cheerleader bus is from the 60s or 70s
@davidrenton
@davidrenton Жыл бұрын
they where a mostly naked French Ladies Basketball team around 1955, checks out.
@jacobwebb2623
@jacobwebb2623 2 жыл бұрын
This was one of the most confusing zombie movies I have ever seen, great review!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Mjolnir877
@Mjolnir877 2 жыл бұрын
Never a bad time for an Old Country Buffet joke.
@EricLinstone
@EricLinstone Жыл бұрын
The Xenomorph gargoyle. Awesome. 🤣
@RapidRevolver420
@RapidRevolver420 2 жыл бұрын
Now they'll never get that smell out of the fish 🤣
@robertjohnson9187
@robertjohnson9187 2 жыл бұрын
They really missed an opportunity by not having the daughter and her zombie dad playing at a park
@anotheratheist
@anotheratheist 2 жыл бұрын
3:31 Cecil‘s right. The mayor‘s pay must be great if he can afford a personal statue of the Xenomorph from Alien by H.R. Giger himself.
@ikmor
@ikmor 2 жыл бұрын
Went to comment on this. 😄
@MandleRoss
@MandleRoss 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha, although I think, in real life, that Xenomorph gargoyle was put on a church somewhere by a bunch of prankster stonemasons while renovating the exterior. The church staff had a sense of humor and kept it. That's the story I read anyway.
@NathanTarantlawriter
@NathanTarantlawriter 6 ай бұрын
Nice touch with the music from Romer's Dawn of the Dead! That made me smile! So jaunty, perfect for zombie shoppers and diners!
@thogren
@thogren 2 жыл бұрын
You make such a bad movie so entertaining! Thank you for your dedication and work!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@judsongaiden9878
@judsongaiden9878 2 жыл бұрын
Ackchyually, the Wehrmacht weren't part of the Nazi Party. Case in point, Hugo Stiglitz (the character, not the actor). Still, they did wear the insignia. 8:35 Well, that's an interesting twist. Ironic when you consider how often people use the term "zombie apocalypse" (which is a misnomer). 8:39 That's not what "Apocalypse" means, especially when it's capitalized. In the original Greek, it means "Revelation." The original definitions of words should always override their common (mis)usage. See also "Armageddon" which specifically means "war at Megiddo" (which means the movie 'Armageddon' has less than nothing to do with Armageddon).
@stillhuntre55
@stillhuntre55 2 жыл бұрын
I first heard of this movie when the Dark Corners Reviews channel gave it their customary hilarious "review", so when I saw you had done it, I HAD to see the fun continue!
@big3ye378
@big3ye378 6 ай бұрын
The zombie with a heart of gold :) ... almost teared up
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 6 ай бұрын
Not something you see every day!
@ObiClon
@ObiClon 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna have to look this movie up
@RavenHouseMystery
@RavenHouseMystery 2 жыл бұрын
Great job on the review, Cecil. This must be the only film to feature a sympathetic character who is both a Nazi and a zombie. I've actually seen Oasis Of The Zombies (I remember the title), but it was so long ago, I can't remember much. I am a big fan of "Shock Waves" (1977), which also features underwater Nazi zombies.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@russalex6058
@russalex6058 4 ай бұрын
One of Rollin's best The Grapes of Death is a zombie film.
@saint23saint
@saint23saint 2 жыл бұрын
This movie features a time traveling women’s sports team from the 80’s! A classic because how bazaar it is!
@GoTakeADrive
@GoTakeADrive 2 жыл бұрын
Tasty Hoots only 1 minute into the film? Sign me up!
@nooctip
@nooctip 2 жыл бұрын
"Your town is being attacked by Nazi zombies. Why didn't you call for help?" "No one would believe us." "Please this is a Franco film. Yours is the third town attacked this week."
@weslittlereptilefamily3418
@weslittlereptilefamily3418 2 жыл бұрын
These regular uploads make me so happy, Cecil
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
I aim to please :)
@andyenglish4303
@andyenglish4303 7 ай бұрын
"Hero Nazi" is a phrase I did not expect to hear
@fletchkeilman2205
@fletchkeilman2205 2 жыл бұрын
I will say this. Growing up, and seeing the wizard video box art for these films in the horror section, I was scared s*******. The artwork is so much better than the actual films. In fact, I think I just wanted to see those films simply because I was fascinated with the box art. I eventually saw condensed versions of these two films in wizard videos zombie-thon compilation. Believe it came out about 1984 or 1985, and it had quite a few 5 to 10 minutes segments of the living Dead films. Essentially, each one was just all the really good parts of each film, whether it be the nudity or the gore.
@Estorium
@Estorium 2 жыл бұрын
Good timing on this video Cecil. I was just taking a break from playing the RE2 remake, and this video pops up. Watching an awesome video on a cheap-ass zombie movie, while taking a break from a zombie game. Thanks!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@fletchkeilman2205
@fletchkeilman2205 2 жыл бұрын
keep in mind that this WAS going to be a Jess Franco film at first. I'd be happy to see you review Rollin's Grapes Of Death
@JoeDredd2012
@JoeDredd2012 2 жыл бұрын
0:45 😂😂😂😂😂 2:22 DAMN!! Not even any of the George Romeo zombie flicks go that long Cecil EWW!! Another funny installment Cecil👍👍
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@zombiTrout
@zombiTrout 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I learned by watching this film was that WW2 ended in the early 70’s.
@SuperTiaanBro
@SuperTiaanBro 2 жыл бұрын
Old, low budget French, Spanish, or Italian horror films are so good, even if they’re terrible.
@davidrenton
@davidrenton Жыл бұрын
same i love Rollins work and and the eurotrash 70's,80's horror's such as the various Zombi and Demons movies
@captainboyband8442
@captainboyband8442 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god! This is one of my favorite crappy zombie movies! I even bought the DVD that works sometimes in a few DVD players. I'm just starting this vid so I can only hope you mention the pantsless zombie coming out of the lake! priceless!
@russbennett5470
@russbennett5470 2 жыл бұрын
“Clown car full of cheerleaders”. ……yeah that’s getting added to the bucket list of depravity
@pontiusporcius8430
@pontiusporcius8430 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome german opera reference there with the magic bullet.
@DaBoff858
@DaBoff858 2 жыл бұрын
3:31 hmm looks like a Xenomorph to me lol Love the video man... cant wait to see you do The Gate or Highway to He Double Hockey sticks
@kuges8146
@kuges8146 2 жыл бұрын
And reminded of the movie "Shock Waves" that was shown on one of the Saturday double features in the 80's!
@billrules8716
@billrules8716 2 жыл бұрын
Instant "like" for the Transformers joke! That had me dying!!! lol
@Haplo699g
@Haplo699g 2 жыл бұрын
No joke specifically about the Xenomorph coming out of the mayor's place??? I don't know whether to be proud or disappointed! LOL
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
I put that in there, its from a castle in Scotland. I guess I made it TOO believable
@Haplo699g
@Haplo699g 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoodBadFlicks Good job! Fooled the heck out of me! LOL
@dreamersdisease2481
@dreamersdisease2481 2 жыл бұрын
Greatest movie review channel. Cecil rules Pennsylvania.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! PA represent!
@Kenjitsuka
@Kenjitsuka 2 жыл бұрын
Transformers: even mayors love quoting them!
@Highice007
@Highice007 2 жыл бұрын
OMG! Stardewv Valley shoutout! Respect!
@horgh_japan
@horgh_japan 2 жыл бұрын
Les Raisins de la Mort remains Rollin's best work in my opinion, yet it has no real lesbian vampires. It does have the OTHER infamous Rolling trope - nude Brigitte Lahaie. Also, Rollin ended up doing adult movies in the 80's under various pseudonyms to make money after offers for regular ones started slowing down. Some friends of mine saw him at Montreal's Fantasia Festival a few years before his death and he didn't appreciate the questions about directing adult movies.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates 2 жыл бұрын
5:30 she lost the will to live? 5:44 the mayor really says “Yes, you could call it the damned lake of the damned.”
@societydwellingifd766
@societydwellingifd766 Жыл бұрын
*_what about the guy that took the blonde soldiers boots but he had boots on again as a zombie?!?_*
@Rockandroll2000
@Rockandroll2000 Жыл бұрын
3:32 is that a xenomorph?!
@ianrangers
@ianrangers 2 жыл бұрын
Video Nasty here in the U.K. under the section 3 list 😂
@Rando1975
@Rando1975 Жыл бұрын
Which is bizarre, since the "gore" is laughable.
@BusStopProductions.
@BusStopProductions. 2 жыл бұрын
I, remember seeing The Clam Box V.H.S. of this film in the local Video Store
@GérannGerberChannel
@GérannGerberChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Please do Judge Dredd - 1995 and Johnny Mnemonic - 1995!!
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost 2 жыл бұрын
"Some time later...War." hahaha
@Vile_Entity_3545
@Vile_Entity_3545 2 жыл бұрын
A bit like Shockwaves starring Peter Cushing with the strange goggled eyed zombies coming out of the water.
@alecsnider3225
@alecsnider3225 2 жыл бұрын
Awww... I want a house with a stone xenomorph.
@isoldmysoulforanime7163
@isoldmysoulforanime7163 2 жыл бұрын
Favorite time of year to watch this channel!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@JuliusCaminus
@JuliusCaminus 2 жыл бұрын
At 3:31, apparently that totally-not-a-xenomorph gargoyle was added to a Scottish abbey in the '90s during some restoration work where several of the gargoyles were replaced. I guess the filmmakers got some b-roll there and either recognised it and wanted in on the joke or just thought it looked weird and wanted it in their picture.
@guyvizard549
@guyvizard549 2 жыл бұрын
Was that a xenomorph gargoyle? Pretty awesome.
@Mjolnir877
@Mjolnir877 2 жыл бұрын
It's on Paisley Abbey in Scotland. It was put in place in 1991 to replace one of the original ones that was too damaged to repair.
@otaking3582
@otaking3582 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently the owner had hired someone to make some "contemporary new designs" since there weren't any drawings for reference. One of the sketches proposed was of a Xenomorph, and the designer was surprised when it was actually okayed.
@rushbhloke2579
@rushbhloke2579 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, could you do one for Mad God? Thanks.
@ve2vfd
@ve2vfd 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow... "Le lac des morts vivants"! I haven't seen that movie in ages. It used to play now and then on late night TV here (and being french Canadian TV, it aired with boobs and all). Crappy but fun movie.
@alexforce9
@alexforce9 2 жыл бұрын
So I stopped the video to go check the nudity of the first scene, after the "video she can show her gynecologist". And honestly it was wholesome lol. She was totally comfortable being naked, and pretty decent swimmer too. It was adorable.
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
There are several versions out there, I wonder which one you saw. The one I have she is obviously comfortable but you can see...um...way up there.
@alexforce9
@alexforce9 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoodBadFlicks Maybe it was directors cut or something 😆
@metalacop
@metalacop 2 жыл бұрын
Try Shock Waves, now there is some actually scary Nazi Zombies.
@danielbretall2236
@danielbretall2236 2 жыл бұрын
This was supposed to be Tchaikovskys follow up to Swan Lake, but unfortunately he died before finishing writing it... and Roger Corman took over.
@scottmcfadyen293
@scottmcfadyen293 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a series of films i can across by accident - Rape Zombie The Lust Of The Dead parts 1-5. Completely nuts !
@everfreebrumby8385
@everfreebrumby8385 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of 1977 ‘Shock Waves’.
@DevilMaskMedia
@DevilMaskMedia 2 жыл бұрын
SHOCK WAVES is waaaaaaaaaaay better.
@everfreebrumby8385
@everfreebrumby8385 2 жыл бұрын
@@DevilMaskMedia way better. You can’t beat Peter Cushing.
@wstine79
@wstine79 2 жыл бұрын
I found out about this movie when clips of it were shown in "Meatballs 2."
@neyaralbator1834
@neyaralbator1834 2 жыл бұрын
Cudos for the subtitles. They are good. 3:31 wait an alien statue among the gargoyles?
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Subs > Dubs. Also yes, that is a Xenomorph from a castle in Scotland.
@dbsommers1
@dbsommers1 2 жыл бұрын
Stumbled on this one night. Felt the same way.
@ChaosTicket
@ChaosTicket 2 жыл бұрын
Ever hear of a film called Shock Waves? Ive never seen it but its a film of Nazi Zombie Sea-Commandos watched over by Peter Cushing.
@MandleRoss
@MandleRoss 2 жыл бұрын
6:40 I thought for a second there that we cut to a scene of Mel Brooks in his office in Blazing Saddles.
@pdzombie1906
@pdzombie1906 Жыл бұрын
So ironic Rollin was ashamed of directing nazi zombies before he found his niche on lesbian vampires... Thanx, Cecil!
@paulaburrows8660
@paulaburrows8660 2 жыл бұрын
I always remember seeing this on the shelf in my local video shop when I was a nipper.
@vegetta00
@vegetta00 2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting you to talk about the behind the scenes production a bit more.
@Scatscar1985
@Scatscar1985 2 жыл бұрын
Jean Rollin's "Lesbian Vampire Killers" would be very different!
@tskmaster3837
@tskmaster3837 2 жыл бұрын
I know I saw Shock Waves, a different Nazomb film but one that came out just prior to Dawn of the Dead so it was riding a different zombie- the one started by Night then? Shock Waves- Nazi zombies from the ocean, Zombie Lake- Nazi zombies from a lake, Oasis of the Zombies- Nazi zombies in the desert, Dead Snow- Nazi zombies in the winter... I'm not sensing a pattern, I'm thinking that people knew what came before and decided to something different while doing the same thing, Nazi Zombies. Overlord, oh fml...
@jazcc
@jazcc 2 жыл бұрын
I think I saw the actor who played mayor in Dagon. I think he’s the hotel check in guy. Ah this was a French and Spanish so yeah it has to be the same actor.
@jokerz7936
@jokerz7936 2 жыл бұрын
When did WW2 happen in this world? Because the "Present Day" didn't look like the 50's.
@otaking3582
@otaking3582 2 жыл бұрын
A lake with a zombie in it? Is it located in New Jersey, and has anyone spotted any hockey masks nearby?
@QuickAlbumReviews
@QuickAlbumReviews 2 жыл бұрын
That "what an idiot" comment got me good.
@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545
@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545 2 жыл бұрын
While I have yet to see this film yet, I did see Oasis Of The Zaniness. I kinda liked it.
@lisakeitel3957
@lisakeitel3957 Жыл бұрын
I have seen a lot of your videos and non are about those vampire movies you mention at the end.
@avantgardeschizophrenic1293
@avantgardeschizophrenic1293 2 жыл бұрын
This is my first experience with seeing boobs, I was 13 and this had been added to Netflix, truly a wild ass flick
@nonilazuli6150
@nonilazuli6150 Жыл бұрын
LMFAO I though I was the only one who had this movie when it was on netflix as their first time seeing nudity
@tommy123333
@tommy123333 2 жыл бұрын
It's great that most of the films covered on this channel are available on KZbin for free. Just like this one!
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Huzzah!
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 2 жыл бұрын
@3:32 Hey, that's my cousin, Vinny! - A Xenomorph, 2022
@davidrenton
@davidrenton Жыл бұрын
during the 80's UK TV had a lot of French films , as a teenager i become quite versed in them and their unique take on the female form of course i was always interested in the dialogue, story, wot not.
@Justin_0241
@Justin_0241 2 жыл бұрын
TBH i want good bad flicks to review a few war films someday but giving them a little humor
@matthewconstantine5015
@matthewconstantine5015 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, Jean Rollin. The no-budget, French, (sometimes) soft-core Terrence Malick. "Plot? Character development? No. We need meandering shots and nonsensical (often pretentious) dialog. Oh, and naked vampire ladies. Yes. Lots of naked vampire ladies. OK. They don't HAVE to be vampires."
@bromodragone8405
@bromodragone8405 Ай бұрын
Actually, the Decepticons *did* try to turn people into zombies this one time.
@channelname1019
@channelname1019 2 жыл бұрын
I tip my hat to you for making it through this one, I love Rollin and Franco but this film was so dull and slow that it was exhausting. Still probably better than "Oasis" though. Not sure how cut up the (I think poundland UK) DVD that I have was, and has been a long time since I watched it but yeah, bit of a grind to get through.
@john_blues
@john_blues 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen other movie reviewers censor nudity. Usually with a floating graphic or something. Are they blocking your videos if you do it?
@GoodBadFlicks
@GoodBadFlicks 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. They are getting age gated.
@chrisberatis2612
@chrisberatis2612 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think it’s possible if you can do an exploring video on Slumber Party Massacre 2?
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