ZORO VS MIHAWK 👒 One Piece Ep 23 & 24 REACTION & REVIEW

[@BlackSnowX]

I liked the portrayal of Nami's betrayal here. She had some adventures with the boys for a while and when she saw Arlong face she was reminded of the cage she is in so she dipped to fulfill what she needs to fulfill for her own goal. Simple as that. She doesnt need some big dramatic reveal for that to happen. It's subtle enough to make u invested and questioning why she did it but also unprepared which makes the reveal even more powerful.

[@sarafontanini7051]

here it's more, she was given a while to get used to travelling with luffy and the gang, to get attached, and given a chance to forget about her problems for a little bit, only for the postr to remind her "Oh, right, I can't jsut have adventures with Luffy...I have things to do..." and so she has to force herself to leave. the boldcast also aren't exactly seeing the full picture here, they don't know how hard this actually is for her at this point in time, they think she's doing this without any hesitation or care, and that she NEEDS the physical presence of Arlong to remind her of her goal. ANother good thing about how it's done here is it create mystery. first time watchers would have no idea why sshe did this, why Arlong matters to her, and why its such a big deal all around.

[@matfon2127]

I liked the betrayal of Nami's portrayal too.

[@markussmedhus9717]

@@NewsofPE Are you kidding? Big dramatic reveals is Anime 101. There's no room for subtlety, which is weird given their love to add filler and pad out scenes.

[@dill1877]

facts

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

LA Nami is an obvious character because they know se already know Nami was crafted as a mystery

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

I couldn't disagree more about Nami leaving. If you hadn't watched the live action it'd be a big surprise, with a mystery as to why she left and who was on the poster. Saying a mystery isn't as good as a build up to a big moment isn't fair if you already know what's going to happen. Not to mention Arlong showing up in the live action made Nami's entire job pointless why go out and steal treasure for Arlong if he's just gonna show up and do the job himself which also made him look weak by treating Luffy like a big deal.

[@TheApatheticMike]

Exactly. And the biggest difference between the LA and the Ani/manga is the story telling. The Ani/manga adds suspense in the form of mystery, like "wow what is Nami up to, why did she steal the boat." Whereas the LA handholds you like a theme park pulling you along to the next story asking "whats next." And like you said, spoiling the mystery of what Nami is doing from the LA is like being invited to your own surprise party, its not interesting, not bad storytelling.

[@altimit6629]

In LA Arlong asked Nami to steal the map because she could sneak into the marines base without being noticed. That Arlong could not do by himself (disguise doesn't work for fishmen that well ;) ). But then they lost Nami when the snail drown. So they started to act on their own.

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

​@@altimit6629 Ok that's a fair point but he literally has a Marine on his payroll why wouldn't he just have him take it. Not to mention the "map for the grandline" literally just ends up being a map showing how to enter that Arlong should already know about because he came from the grandline.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

@@gaara_of_the_desert1118Because Nami was the only human he could actually use due to Coco Village hanging over her head. Nezumi and Arlong weren’t allies. They were using each other - Arlong bribing Nezumi to avoid capture and Nezumi making easy money through the bribes. That’s why he had Nami do it. He was counting on her not betraying him because if she did, she would lose her home and the people she loved.

[@markussmedhus9717]

Nami wasn't even looking for a map in the manga. That was an anime invention.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

You're conflating the development of Nami's character in the anime to the one in the live action. They're written completely differently Nami choosing to leave this way makes sense for this portrayal of her.

[@sarafontanini7051]

plus they'll see a bit more of how she actually feels later XP

[@HaohmaruHL]

That's why I hate that the LA exists. It ruins the experience of the original story. Hope the LA never existed in the first place

[@markussmedhus9717]

@@HaohmaruHL Anime fans continue to be as obnoxious as ever. They wouldn't know Zeff ate his own leg. The manga can't be touched.

[@HaohmaruHL]

@@markussmedhus9717 anime is like 99% accurate toy he manga. While the LA is like 9% accurate with all the exaggerated characters being watered down to regular people in cosplay. No one even acts like the character they cosplay. There's zero chemistry between the characters and the events are all messed up. LA is jsut garbage.

[@markussmedhus9717]

@@HaohmaruHL Garbage sanctioned by Oda himself. In the anime the characters assault each other verbally and physically all the time. They don't act like that in the LA because normies don't find sociopathy endearing. Look, I got you so mad you forgot your grammar. Stereotypical "fan" right there.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I personally like how they handle Nami's betrayal here more, because it creates a question as to WHY she betrayed them. In the live action, those cards are mostly laid out here, but here in the anime, all we know right now is that she stabbed the crew in the back and ran off, and answering why she did it is more interesting at this moment than already knowing she's doing it to protect them. Plus, the reveal that Nami was working for Arlong the whole time, and some drama that comes with it, makes the arc it impacts the most better, rather than the way the LA did it and making it part of the arc that leads into Arlong Park.

[@wavemoon]

Something big that the anime does is having Sanji watch the fight. Zoro being willing to die for his dream is very frustrating to Sanji because he has already given up on his dream. Also I think in the LA Zoro doesn’t call luffy the King of the pirates which is a big deal since it‘s the first time one of his crewmates calls him that.

[@_Lumiere_]

This is the moment that Zoro proves that he is all-in. Both to Luffy and to himself.

[@DavidLyles]

I know that this is a Zoro episode but if you pay attention to Sanji and what he says you’ll realize that it was also a Sanji moment. Telling Zoro that he’s an idiot for his dream. That Luffy and Zoro won’t accomplish their dreams. Then when he sees Mihawk and Zoro battle he questions why he would go to such lengths when he could just give up on his goal to live another day. I love this moment. Sanji gained a lot of respect for Zoro; and even hope for his own dream of the All Blue, which he had seemingly given up on.

[@_Lumiere_]

Yeah, that's an aspect that was kinda missing in the live action.

[@AkahigeNoAmo]

it's such a missed opportunity of the LA to not have Sanji present in any form, even just looking out a window of Baratie spectating.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

@@AkahigeNoAmoThough at least we did get Sanji and Zeff being the ones to treat him and not Johnny, Yosaku and Usopp. Luffy told them what happened and Sanji was immediately ready to help, Zeff giving in only because of Sanji.

[@markussmedhus9717]

Bit weird to be inspired by what was basically a suicide attempt. There are opponents less amiable than Mihawk.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

@@markussmedhus9717 It’s because they’re people willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of their dreams. It shows their resolve. They know their actions are foolish and reckless, but they are the only ones allowed to call themselves fools for it. For Luffy and Zoro, death is a huge risk factor in becoming King of the Pirates and World’s Greatest Swordsman, and they accepted that long ago.

[@Thailux]

Nah nah, pay attention. The three swords in Santoryou style, OniGiri attack, don't go all in the same point, like you made fun of... Mihawk waited for the conjunction of the three swords to stop the attack. Respect.

[@sarafontanini7051]

Zoro, realising mihawk's too strong: is the distance between us THAT far!? : O Carrson: i think he knew he wouldn't win,he never had that realisation

[@jacobcoates7987]

my favorite part of zoro and mihawks dialogue is that as soon as he sees zoro wont back down he switches from calling him "weak one" to "strong one"

[@ylva9153]

Zoro calling Luffy ”Pirate King” is one of two lines/monologues (I’ll mention the other later) that I was really really missing in the LA. And this one is so iconic. I think most OP fans watching the LA went “wait what? Where’s the line?” At this moment in the LA. Zoro has always wanted to be the strongest swordsman in the world, but Kuina’s death made it more than just an ambition - it also made it a promise. The fact that Zoro remembers Luffy going “the world’s greatest swordsman, that’s great! Since your new boss is gonna be King of the Pirates, anything else would make me look bad!” Is really interesting. It seems like very quickly, Zoro’s goal to become the strongest swordsman became not just a promise to Kuina and himself, but a promise to Luffy as well. Because Luffy didn’t question Zoro’s (or his own) ambition for a second. Here, after being brutally shown what “the peak” really looks like and how far away it still is, the fact that Zoro openly doubles down on his ambition AND his belief in Luffy’s ambition is extra powerful to me.

[@leemiles1121]

I think the problem you guys had in the anime version of Nami's story is you knew she was about to leave

[@STGAoe]

Zoro actually didn’t fully understand how strong Mihawk was until that fight. Thats why he basically has a meltdown screaming “The World’s Strongest can’t be this far away” as he only JUST realized exactly how far the gap was between him and Mihawk was. It wasn’t just him upholding his vows, he legitimately believed he had a chance until Mihawk humbled him

[@luiscortes4565]

I disagree. I think Zoro suspected Mihawk to be stronger than him. That's why Mihawk said something like "You should be able to tell that I am stronger". The thing Zoro didn't know was how mush stronger Mihawk was than him. Zoro expected to be closer in strength to Mihawk.

[@saranyasaha7274]

@@luiscortes4565 That's exactly what he said dude.......Read before commenting.

[@bryangarcia5207]

​@saranyasaha7274 this is the one piece community. It's filled with people incapable of reading that someone is the strongest swordsman and makes up terms to avoid making someone not a swordsman

[@speedyweasel681]

@@bryangarcia5207 Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. just like how Luffy is stronger than Zoro

[@NoOne-ky1er]

The canon stuff about Nami makes you hate her initially. You don't figure out if she has other motivation till she saves strawhats in Arlong park.. You don't get any hint if there could be any other intention with Nami.

[@aline7816]

Well, I’ve never hated her tbh. I was like Luffy, trusting her until the end

[@cartoonishidealism582]

I kinda disagree? I never felt like they were at any point GENUINELY trying to convince us that Nami was a genuine traitor. Like, they were clearly already showing how upset Nami was about seeing Arlong's wanted poster. She clearly didn't like him from moment one. And even before she first walked into Arlong Park and the show established that she was part of Arlong's crew, they showed her giving some random kid her own money to save his life from Arlong. They really weren't trying to sell her as a genuine traitor at any point

[@TheQuancy]

The speech Mihawk gave to zoro is what I missed in the Live Action. The whole "Try and surpass me" and "I will hold onto this seat as the strongest". It really shows the potential Mihawk sees in Zoro

[@whade62000]

What I missed was him calling Luffy "Pirate King". Really hammers the oath the two give to each other.

[@hashshashiin.forsī]

@@whade62000 yup 😭

[@luiscortes4565]

Agreed. The speech really recontextualizes Mihawk's expectations of Zoro. In the anime, Mihawk expects Zoro to face him as an equal in the future. In the live action, Mihawk finds Zoro a slightly amusing kid.

[@Suto_Ko]

I agree. Mihawk's speech to Zoro is one of the most iconic moments in the One Piece manga and anime. It is a moment that shows Mihawk's respect for Zoro's strength and potential, and it is also a moment that inspires Zoro to become even stronger. It is a shame that this speech was cut from the live-action adaptation. I think it is an important scene that helps to develop Zoro's character and his relationship with Mihawk. It also helps to establish Mihawk as one of the most powerful and respected characters in the One Piece world.

[@hafizrusdan5979]

Agree 🎉😢

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

On the matter of powerscaling, I've watched many long running shounen and One Piece, despite being the longest one, is also the one I feel manages to handle it best. Somehow when I watch this fight after being up to date with the manga, I still feel Mihawk isn't underplayed in it. Knowing now what he's capable of makes it even more apparent how much he's holding back and why he is. One Piece may not be 100% consistent when you backtrack (plenty of theories out there on the matter), but I'm always in awe with how well Oda can manage his powerscaling given the length of the series. 😁

[@sarafontanini7051]

it also doesn't feel quite as, like, extreme as naruto's and makes sense in-universe

[@The_AniMan]

I second this. Keeping this spoiler free for our reaction duo, of course there need to be some "retcons" as the series has extended, but much like Nen in HxH I think the different power facets in this world are pretty balanced, those with powers have clashes where winners are determined by those who either have a better grasp on their abilities or have unique ways to exploit them in the fight. Unlike a base level of power that just escalates as the story continues (as in DB), you start to see that either side could potentially win at any time based on their intellect/strategy and this lends tension to all fights, especially considering Luffy loses somewhat frequently as he gains experience. Further still, the additional power sources detailed in the later stages are just like the discovery of new Nen combinations, the possibilities existed the whole time but were never perceptible until they're figured out (like some of Luffy's techniques) or taught.

[@_Lumiere_]

I also feel like the powerscaling is so absurd that it just works sometimes.

[@307nishchay8]

Yeah powerscaling in one piece is done well but it's because it's ambiguous that audience can only imagine. We as audience only know in theory about where some major one piece characters stand in power levels until oda shows us in the manga. And up till now...NGL...oda is kinda nailing it with power levels. Some characters appear so seldom that you know they are legendary but you still don't know where to put that particular legendary character amongst the other legendary characters in power level.

[@KmsMohd]

​@@307nishchay8 Yes, I agree. This ambiguous thing is very fitting and works with how the story is told in One Piece. Ambiguous power will not work in other Shonens that rely on combat-fighting scenes to keep audience hooked. In One Piece, we got great set-up to the story and great world-building to keep us hooked; hence, we could care less about the explanation of certain powers. By keeping the explanation ambiguous for how certain powers work, Oda can focus more on the story than combat. Compared to other shounen, combat fighting in one piece is not that good. But let's be honest, we are all following one piece because of the story and world-building, not because of the fight.

[@Wuzzy-qp9kn]

Nami's betrayal is not better in the live action at all. They kept hinting at her betrayal but here it comes iut of nowhere and you're genuinely shocked and confused.

[@shavp]

To me, it's such a silly comparison because in the end, neither version is better or worse than the other they are just different I think Nami's betrayal in the live action definitely fits that version of the character because there is no way I would ever believe that she would leave Luffy simply because she saw a arlong wanted poster. On the other hand, in the anime Her being scared simply at the sight of seeing Arlong wanted poster also works well for that version of the character since anime Nami seems far more emotionally vulnerable throughout the show

[@helck1153]

Both versions have a different goal and work their medium. In anime, the betrayal is confusing. In live action, it's the suspense leading up to it. In the end, I saw people shocked that she worked for Arlong in LA reaction as well and curious about her backstory. It's also nice for the mamha fans because you expect her to leave from baratie but even we get to experience suprises

[@AP-RSI]

The live action simply sucks!

[@markussmedhus9717]

@@AP-RSI I saw the animated fight between Zoro and Mihawk. Left much to be desired. Really wish anime didn't skimp on frames because it looks mad stilty.

[@pugmasterben]

@@markussmedhus9717 It's old and they didn't have a super high budget like they do now

[@dankwaifu2093]

I feel like some of their thoughts about the anime's plot or characterization seeming odd is due to them having transferred their experiences from the Netflix show to this one. It'll be interesting to see how they react to season 2 of the Netflix series, once they have the opposite bias.

[@digitaladventurer2142]

No Luffy didn't stop them from joining because he wanted to fight too he just knew this was a personal fight for Zoro and interbeing is something Zoro wouldn't want no matter what.

[@PlusquamPerfekt256]

Mihawk clearly held back in the fight. You saw what he did to this gigantic ship. So no problem with the powercaling in the future.

[@frenchie5823]

Mihawk's voice actor changed later on and now he sounds the way u imagined him to be

[@hashshashiin.forsī]

Yea because the old one was deceased

[@michl8379]

I really recommend that you try to forget the live action for a bit, because it seems to be affecting your experience of the anime. There are a lot of judgements you cannot make until you've finished the anime version of Arlong Park Arc.

[@inquisitive6786]

Now imagine how awesome this woulda been had you not been spoiled from the live action

[@isaknordlund7627]

There's a bit of a mistranslation in this episode, Zoro called Mihawk "the worlds strongest man" it's supposed to be "worlds strongest SWORDSman"

[@asd1a854w]

Zoro lost the fight but he won the respect of Mihawk.

[@custardbrainy1653]

We have Luffy making a vow and promising that he will surpass Shanks and have a better crew than the red-hair pirates And now Zoro, who vows to be the world strongest swordman and surpass Mihawk 🙏

[@cloudkitsune17]

One Piece doesn't really use power-scaling like other shounen anime. There is *one* arc that attempt to use it similar to say, Dragon Ball Z, but it gets dropped pretty soon after. It's more focused on experience, skills, emotional will-power, and personal strength. I will also say, Sanji's comment regarding Zoro wasn't a rivalry moment. XD It was more just a passing comment... with some self-disregard to his own dreams. A lot of people miss it, but Sanji shouting about it being easy to give up on ones ambition is more of a line he's telling *himself* then Zoro. Sanji is... a complicated, and subtle, character. XD

[@MrRubix01]

Japanese speakers have said that Mihawk talks in an elgant almost regal manner in Japanese. I feel like the LA captured that same vibe but just in English which to our ears just sounds different. But taking what Japanese speakers say at face value i think they are evoking the correct feeling for Mihawks English voice

[@i_am_smelly-cat]

They are the only reactors i have seen who laugh at serious moments😢

[@davidmoyes4086]

Oda didn’t set a clear standard regarding mihawks power here for a powerscaling problem to occur. All we know is that he’s one of the strongest in the entire show, so any strong characters that show up as we go forward just kinda show how strong Mihawk could possibly be since he never actually showed his power beyond just playing around with the don krieg pirates

[@FiskerTon95]

Your assumption that Oda showed us early on the standard of power the greatest swordsman has is erroneous since Mihawk himself stated that he will not output 100% of his power to fight someone as weak as Zoro. So, in reality, you have no idea what Mihawk was actually capable of at that moment.

[@edgarlarios4718]

She's right. This portrayal of Mihawk and Shank's "Get lost!" are One Piece's end game. All skills grow horizontally, not higher. That's the beauty of One Piece. The scale for the end was set at the beginning.

[@cataclysm2943]

nope...mihawk didnt break a sweat here...this fight just lets us know how weaker zoro is compared to one of the verses strongest...it doesnt anywhere shows us mihawks peak.

[@thyageshnathan598]

The way these iconic moments come back later on in the show, will hit like a meteor from the heavens

[@blackknight6757]

I see what you did there

[@matthewferguson6524]

@@blackknight6757 Nothing Happened.

[@5henhe]

NOTHING HAPPENED!

[@GalekC]

Westwood

[@11thLegendaryWarrior]

On the Power-scaling front, specifically with regards to the strongest characters in the series, I feel like Oda does it particularly well. In the sense that if someone is introduced as being a top tier like Mihawk is here, you can bet that they've remained a top tier the entire time. Oda very much doesn't seem to be a fan of setting someone up as a top tier, only to establish someone even stronger once they're beaten. It's helpful that Oda never really has them fight all out (at least not on-screen), so he never establishes any kind of concrete ceiling so that they can be as strong as they need to be when the time comes for them to actually throw down.

[@davidmoyes4086]

The new mihawk voice actor sounds as u would imagine him to sound lol

[@kamvantutuka1523]

One Piece is both progenitor and subvertor of tropes, Some things will genuinely surprise you. Like Mihawk said, the crew is strong in the weakest of seas..."Frog in the well, know how big the world is." The OP world is expansive, and so whatever scaling or journey to the top you have in mind, it probably won't turn out exactly that way

[@UnIucker]

The way they showed mihawk here allows for cool looking/impressive attacks or levels of power from other people without diminishing him. He made an impressive attack with a flick of his sword, and then put 0 effort into fighting zoro and had no weakness shown. You don't see a ceiling, they just show you that its much higher than the main characters thought

[@LorenaDoCouto]

43:18 I mean mihawk wasn't at his full power here, cuz didn't need to get serious in this fight and is easy for him to cut some ships, so you can't actually measure his power from this fight

[@ajop2235]

Regarding powerscaling, don't worry it won't get boring. With how free the idea of devil fruit power is there's really infinite potential. Actually that's the part I look forward the most in OP.

[@inquisitive6786]

Another example of how the live action has ruined your experience. Regarding Nami: You are spoiled by the live action. Nami’s betrayal here is completely different and honestly better cause remember, we dont know ANYTHING about her yet. You are watching Nami right now and judge her based on her story but without the live action, at this point in time in canon, we dont know anything about her. To the viewer/reader, she just stole the ship and left everyone.

[@altimit6629]

Without the LA they won't be watching OP at all. Fair price I think.

[@inquisitive6786]

@@altimit6629 That woulda been their loss not mine lol

[@markussmedhus9717]

Why is it a good thing that you don't know ANYTHING about a character after like 10+ episodes? Especially when the anime made a point to introduce her earlier than in the manga?

[@inquisitive6786]

@@markussmedhus9717 Because she’s played off as a traitor and that’s how shit works? Plus it makes her backstory even more surprising and hit harder since you arent tipped off about her 5 times every episode like in the live action?

[@markussmedhus9717]

@@inquisitive6786 Hit harder? More like gives you whiplash. Also, Coco village didn't deserve to be saved. Buncha people knew about the child labor and didn't even try to contribute.

[@bkgraphs1810]

The thing is Naruto and other shonens are typical about fighting and choreography. One Piece is more about symbolism, iconic moments and emotions. That's why Luffy does't care about other pirates, bad guys, villains, killing others etc. He also clearly knows who is he, a pirate - not some kind of hero and good guy fulfilled with morality lessons.

[@HaohmaruHL]

Naruto is fluff without substance

[@emiliocorvalan3322]

What I always took from this fight is that it really feels like it is about Zoro's personal ambition, part of his goal is to keep his promise to Kuina, that is why he has the Wado, to carry on Kuina's will but then what do the other swords represent? Well Zoro's will and as we see at the end of the fight. They break but the Wado is fine even if he wants to give up or die he can't because the sword, her will ,and their promise wont let him. So what does he do then? He points the sword to the sky and makes a new promise to never lose again to both Luffy and himself. To me it feels like this is the moment where Zoro fully inherited Kuina's will. Now for the trivia: One Piece at a time: Mihawk's boat is named "Hitsugibune" it means just "coffin boat" and you have seen it already in the first episode of the live action you can see it at sea before gold roger's death

[@trivialqed]

as someone who doesnt watch react content i have to say u're really great. ur reviews of each episode arent just airtime to make the vid longer. u actually go back through scenes of the episode to discuss while other reactors just give their final thoughts and quickly end the vid, u guys actually give a proper discussion hope u enjoy the OP journey! I'm on ep 250 and every arc has succeeded all my expectations till now. Dont think i've ever cried more watching an anime lmao

[@GalekC]

He hasn't started the manga or anime yet, but Teeaboo (& Semblance of Sanity) is the same way - now even seeing if he can draw out, by hand, something related to the series he consumes

[@jeffreymeehan3567]

I honestly thought that Mihawk was giving off largely the same energy in both the anime and LA. To me, he came across as someone who was at the top, knew he was at the top, and was above all trying to stave off boredom since nothing he was coming across was providing him a challenge. He takes out Krieg's armada because he is literally just killing time doing it. You can also feel the almost incredulous disdain for Zoro and his duel proclamation, yet still accepts because it might be marginally entertaining. And, when Zoro proves that he has the ambition and determination to break through his limits to become something, Mihawk sees him as more of an investment: as someone who might one day actually give him a challenge and be worth an actual fight. Sure, LA Mihawk telegraphs his snark and "couldn't be bothered" attitude a bit more, but I think that's partly because we get a bit more of him interacting with others than just Krieg and Zoro. Plus the LA had the fortune of having future scenes with Mihawk to help round out his character and personality a little bit more. Because I don't think it's a spoiler to say that we DO see more of Mihawk in the future.

[@cryhwks]

Also the LA has the benefit of having these characters already molded and refined all the way. In this point of the story, Oda didn't know everything about these characters yet, he even still thought that the series would only last like 5 years.

[@RazorStormInc]

I can't wait for the new batch of One Piece reactors to reach episodes 1,050 - 1,074. Edit: To clarify, when Zoro calls Mihawk the world's strongest man, he actually means strongest swordsman. Mihawk is not the absolute strongest. Not by a fair margin. Also, spoilers in the thread; so beware.

[@VipinKumar-bo8ny]

1015 too

[@RazorStormInc]

@@VipinKumar-bo8ny 734 and 870 as well. But mainly, the finale fights for Sanji; Zoro and Luffy in Wano are perfect for the "how it started and how it's going" contrast.

[@VipinKumar-bo8ny]

@@RazorStormInc yes,but the wait will be long prob 3 yrs from now for them to reach ther

[@RazorStormInc]

@@Suto_Ko Are you a troll or a bot?🤔

[@RazorStormInc]

@@VipinKumar-bo8ny Yeah, look how long it took Heatah and Hustla to reach episode 870.

[@sodikin5056]

I love one piece the moment luffy stop yusaku and jony to not interfered with zoro duel even he on nerve too, but he still respect the duel and continue watching even mihawk said he respect luffy because of that and after that moment small detail like that i attached for this long journey, let me begin journey again with you guys to rewatch this again, i love it

[@zunairjamil6623]

One Piece powerscaling doesn't work like other series. It is very very different and vague and it's very hard to powerscale in One Piece. And this fight doesn't exactly show how strong Mihawk is. And you will realize OP is not about powerscaling there are so many more important topics that get the major focus of the story.

[@ZarathosDaimaoh]

Yeah it is a testament to the show/manga , that the only obvious powerscaling issue involves Shanks and the Sea beast . And even then , it's easy to get/gloss over , unlike the dumbest stuff in shows like DBZ in Buu Saga , or Naruto

[@zunairjamil6623]

@@ZarathosDaimaoh and the Shanks scene was just to create an impact that he lost his arm for new generation. Oda made that decision because his editor asked hum to, otherwise Shanks wasn't supposed to lose his arm.

[@lawxluffyduo]

Zoro's "got any problems with that, King of the Pirates?" now, look how he's willing to do anything for Luffy ❤

[@Kayver2C]

30:18 Although Zoro's confrontation serves to develop Zoro, it also serves as an example for Sanji of someone who also fights for his dreams even though it seems so impossible.

[@maryisdoingvideos]

LET'S FUCKING GO MIHAWK!!!!! I agree that this is helpful as a power scaling for Zoro. He wants to be the greatest swordsman, and now he knows what being the "greatest" looks like. I understand the worries with this type of power scaling, it'll be interesting to see your reaction to it as the story progresses

[@Medic_Medulla]

Something of note about the live action you can see Hawkeyes ship it's actually the first ship we zoomed out from setting sail from the bay following Rogers execution.

[@saminsanity4766]

Katanas are very delicate so you cant really use one of them to defend. therefore zoro uses both of them on offense

[@Kirito_KR10]

@@NewsofPEwtf lost art my

[@KarNeoLeX]

@@NewsofPE technically science lets you skip all the tedious steps of Katana making... the benefit of folding the iron 400x isnt there with the science we know today 10x is the max afterwards you are just doing useless folds (as far as i know)

[@Sleepwalker507]

Wtf, who told you katana was very durable?? lost art? In medieval time, the legendary damascus swords, made of rare wootz steel, and it's definetely lost art.

[@desolateleng9943]

@@KarNeoLeX All the answers here have a bit of truth to them, but basically the deal is that Japanese steel was very low quality, so the folding was to remove all the impurities that better steel just doesn't have as much of a problem with. HOWEVER, a japanese sword (katana is one type) is made with a softer core steel, granting it durability, while the edge steel is extremely hard and sharp, which creates a sword that can both cut extremely well as well as provide a great defence as long as you're not parrying with the actual edge. There are other swords that have been made with this technique, and the damascus steel mentioned had a huge advantage from being so good from the start and needing much less work to reach the same excellence. It's also true that the Japanese swords made after the Edo period (ended at 1868), and especially the ones being issued en masse during the 20th century wars aren't as good as they're not made with the original technique. The art isn't lost, but there aren't many actually pracicing it nowadays. Also, using better steel absolutely removes the need to fold that many times.

[@KarNeoLeX]

@@desolateleng9943 so i was half right. Nice!

[@fivedudes]

Fun fact you can see Mihawks coffin shaped dingy in the first episode of the LA at 3:31 ish when the narrator says the Great Pirate Era its on the center right of the screen. Zoro is that cocky in his skill, his loss is a Ego check he became a bit like Kuina was when they first met and it was a bit of a feeling of progress in fulfillment of his promise and the only thing that was keeping him going, but losing and making a new promise to luffy, a promise that puts others before himself helps keep his ego in check and motivation to grow stronger for others like he used too with Kuina. There is a bit more to Nami's betrayal, the scene's arnt done before arlong park and they add alot more context to whats going on in her mind. But I like it more in the anime its sudden, u can see her her trauma flare up and looks at the poster as a reminder of whats at stake and felt in a rush to resolve things since she had been away stealing for a while as also mentioned in the LA by arlong.

[@zakaria-c7s]

Mihawk is 41 and ZORO is 19 y/o here if it helps

[@richardadu6799]

Mihawk is 43 zoro is 21

[@mohammedasaad8652]

@@richardadu6799 after 2Y yes not now

[@Guy811]

What you touched on about the power scaling is why I love One Piece. Cutting a ship that size effortlessly is still impressive at the current chapter. Obviously stuff is crazier but Mihawk definitely doesn’t get Kakachi’d.

[@adityans8608]

Exactly everything is different in live action every character felt different in live action.

[@NumenoreanNazgul]

At the rock, Zeff had a choice: keep his leg so he can remain a pirate, or keep his arms so he can remain a cook. Mihawk has Christian (specifically Dracula) symbology and Zoro has Buddhist (specifically Ashura) symbology. Their path of swordsmanship is like a creed to them.

[@yolurozo9761]

I love mihawk both in anime and LA but the fight was better in the anime🔥🔥

[@christi6236]

"The only one who can call me stupid is me" - that's a deeeeep thought for those who set their own goals and try to achieve them. Some wisdom from Zoro.

[@metarex000]

4:20 Yeah Grand Line is like Dark Continent. And it gets more dangerous the deeper you go in.

[@moneilwisby61]

Mihawk clearly isn't using his full power here, so the power creep isn't as much of a problem as it seems.

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

I respect the fear for power-scaling - I have been burned enough by the shounen genre that I'd assume One Piece would have to fall into the same trap. But I can reassure you it doesn't. Part of it is by having a clear power-structure in mind. (I can count on 1 hand the swordsman in this world capable of cleaving a boat in two with one swing like that.) But mainly it's because Oda rewards creativity, not power, in a fight. Is Zoro in ep 10 stronger than Buggy? Maybe. Could he (at that point) win a solo fight with the clown? Unlikely. Luffy beat Buggy not because he looked deep inside himself and found the inner strength to summon a new, higher, energy. But because he watched the fight, noticed a flaw in Buggy's ability, and capitalized. I'm not saying there will never be power-ups. But, in general, strength in the show is measured by how well you use the abilities available to you. And with how crazy Oda's mind is, there are plenty of abilities to choose from.

[@re_striker3431]

Powerscaling gets really weird from ep 500 to current stuff tho

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

@@re_striker3431 I disagree? Powers get more weird, for sure, which is saying something in a show like One Piece. But the scaling is still pretty steady? Like, Mihawk doesn't suddenly feel like some small fry at ep 500? Slicing a boat in half with a single swing, from a distance, isn't something that can be done by just anyone? (If anything it's a pretty good metric for telling people who know about how power works in One Piece what level of strength you've reached.) Keeping it vague for spoilers, but the show rarely gives concrete power rankings - the 7 Warlords all have vastly different strengths and are put on the same level due to politics - but the few times we've seen such is the Emperors and the Admirals, and they've been pretty consistent in proving to be as strong as we were led to believe?

[@re_striker3431]

@yuukinoyuki9064 hmmm there is a visual inconsistency with the power system imo. Sometimes we don't know if a person is using a special ability because it is not clear to see

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

@@re_striker3431 That's fair, I wouldn't call that powerscaling, though. If you're talking about what I'm thinking of I think Oda left it "invisible" to a degree to make it apply retroactively. (Like being able to say that clearly Mihawk is employing said power.) But it does make for a guessing game in some fights.

[@herrjemeneh368]

I think the thing you can't realise watching this the first time is that Zoro vs Mihawk wasn't a Level 3 or 4 vs a Level 50 but more like a Level 3 or 4 fighting against a Level 500. The further the story goes on the further you will move both their skill levels away from each other because you'll realise how huge the difference actually was.

[@matthewferguson6524]

As the series progresses, you will see 2 HUGE power increases. The first is the difference between the 4 'directional' seas and the Grand Line. Then there is New World to Grand Line. Mihawk vs the ship is lowkey New World. Mihawk holding back on Zoro is high end Grand Line. These differences in difficulty play huge roles in the story later. Right now we are in line for the coaster. Buckle up once we hit Logue Town because we are in the car and goint up the first incline.

[@coldcoma]

The whole thing you're saying about how Zoro might blow past the power ceiling displayed by mihawk here.. feels like you missed half the point of this scene. Yes it somewhat powerscales Mihawk in that it gives us a vague idea that yeah he's incredible, but all we saw was him fighting with a tiny knife, and cutting a ship in half. Nothing about this scene tells us that this is actually the limit of Mihawk's abilities. So when we seen him do even crazier stuff later, you can't call bullshit and say thats just powercreep. No, we specificially saw him handicap himself here and still win by a mile. Thats the point. One Piece wont do Dragon Ball Super bullshit. Don't expect it before you give it a chance.

[@vixevinweria8400]

You've seen less than a fraction of what Mihawk is capable of. Aside from the ocean and the sky that boat was the biggest thing here and Mihawk cut it without any effort.

[@laereht4896]

My read on why Zoro decides to fight Mihawk is that it's a huge world they live in. The Grand line is purportedly unbearable for most. In Zoro's mind this is his only chance to prove himself and he's stronger than he's ever been. To Zoro, this was his last shot even if it means his death

[@sarafontanini7051]

also zoro's so arrogant at this point he really thought he was ready after fighting a handful of pirates in the weakest sea

[@hamo8208]

@@sarafontanini7051 I disagree. Zoro was never portrayed as arrogant in the manga, and even though he was in a cold sweat when he saw Mihawk's swordsmanship, he challenged him to a duel so that he would not miss this opportunity. I think there was just a greater difference in strength than Zoro thought. I think Zoro and Luffy have the character to challenge the strong without fear, and they are always willing to win because they are challenging.

[@stethespaniard2]

Zoro doesn’t attack the same point. Mihawk is just that skilled he knew the point where he could stop all three blades with just that knife. You just miss so much

[@307nishchay8]

It's their first time watching. I also missed many things in my first read but on my second and third manga re read I found so much stuff that I had missed.

[@markussmedhus9717]

"Mihawk is just that skilled he knew the point where he could stop all three blades with just that knife" That's somehow dumber.

[@stethespaniard2]

@@markussmedhus9717 how? He most likely has incredible observation haki

[@desolateleng9943]

You'd haver to be completely insane to challenge Mihawk after seeing that? Yes. Yes, you would. XD I think that what was meant by Mihawk "seeing through" Onigiri, was that he knew exactly where to strike to stop it when all three swords were at the same point. Because Zoro doesn't actually land the strike at the same point with all his swords, he makes three different cuts. The reason for Nami, and the also Zoro and Usopp leaving early from a structural point of view here is probably because the rest of this arc is about Sanji and his background and motivations. But also, the Arlong arc is pretty different in the live action, so this prepares the ground for a few important character interactions in that arc as well.

[@leoortiz1810]

The way you talk about power scaling you’ll like how it is in one piece mihawk still top tier in the whole series

[@edwardwhitebeardnewkatt2726]

24:21 If you watch One Piece Live Action again, you will find Mihawk's ship in the 1st episode after Roger's execution scene

[@traceyandrob13]

Milhawk boat was in the live action but it's at the start when zoom in and out after Gold Rodger execution. The slice was done on the beach in the Live Action.

[@thiagopaulo9243]

About mihawk stoping zoro's attack I think that zoro wasn't going with all three swords at one point but mihawk stopped them in a moment where they were at the same point, there is a difference

[@HaohmaruHL]

You can also check out the same mihawk vs zoro scene but with new remade animation too

[@ibg_music7525]

The fact that Nami felt free enough to forget about Arlong for a while, while being with them and then being reminded by the poster makes sense to me, but I do like what they did in the LA as well.

[@sleepysera]

One Piece handles power scaling really well imo. We are pretty much getting told explicitly here that Mihawk is holding back because he sees potential in Zoro, so even if he does something crazier down the line, it's not unreasonable since we know this here isn't him being serious, he literally says he just came to pass the time and defeats Zoro without breaking a sweat with that tiny little dagger. One Piece is full of little things like that, which make a lot of things more believable :)

[@sarafontanini7051]

not to mention even by the time of the morgan arc we are told the grand line is crazy and full of crazy powerful people

[@jamesstutz6907]

Love your reactions but I have noticed that 2 of your videos have been blocked can the fabulous duo do anything to unblock them. I have noticed the recap doesn't match the previous episode. The candles are just for decoration and they make Mihawk more scary.

[@ZachParks21]

The live action was good. However, compared to the anime/manga, it literally does nothing better. Doesn't matter if he isn't at that level. The point of Zoro and Mihawk is to show you an actual OP character to give you a heads up of what is to come later and to show you that no matter what, Zoro will achieve is dream through his strong will and determination. Nami in the adaption just looked sasy, and angry for most of the whole show. Zoro was pretty monotone trying to be cool. Not that they were bad, but none of the characters are the same. Just so you know.

[@markussmedhus9717]

Zoro will achieve his dream only becauze Mihawk for some reason "sensed" potential in him or some other tired trope, and decided to spare him. Otherwise he would've cut right through him like a boat. Less to do with willpower and more to do with chance.

[@huyquoctran2088]

When i saw one piece. Mihawk cutting a giant ship in half i was like that was the peak power zoro was looking for then now the current one piece in the 1000+ cutting meteor and mountains in half is a normal thing 😮. The power scale from these early episodes to now is vastly different😂. Even in the 1000+ episodes. Zoro. Is still not at mihawk level. Thats how op he is

[@marvelbliss]

For the moment, I wouldn't worry too much about the whole power scaling thing. We're still in the earliest stages of the story and Oda has still yet to bring out his world building A-game, so let's just sit back, relax, and see where this ride will take us, shall we? 😉

[@Dartonus]

Fun fact: if you go back to the first episode of the Live Action and pay close attention to the ships parked in the harbor at Roger's execution, you can see that Mihawk's little raft is there.

[@KevinVideo]

The nice thing about the power scaling issue is that it's so well known that Oda has taken the time to address it. He still wants to have fun with the series, and power scaling actually makes that difficult. He's definitely doing his part to mitigate that to a degree that it's still believable. The Zoro fight with Mihawk is around the time I became a fan of the series. We're much more invested knowing that our sea is the weakest, as evidenced at how quickly Mihawk took down an entire armada.

[@Rexicity]

The scale will increase ut keep in mind Mihawk acknowledged his power and ferocity then used his skill to defeat him. Skill comes from experience which Zoro hasn't had enough of just yet.

[@RutabegaNG]

I understand comparing the anime to the LA, and I know you're well past this point, but it's important to remember which came first, and which is closer to the source material. Despite the changes and the filler (first real filler isn't until episode 54), the anime is closer to the manga than the LA. With all the things the LA did well, understanding the characters wasn't one of them.

[@sethmamintod2373]

10:05 that line where Zeff asks if they did anything to Mihawk like waking him from his nap was referenced in the live action where Mihawk answered Don Krieg the reason he was killing their crew was because Don Krieg woke Mihawk from his nap, subtle reference but it's there.

[@goatsc]

mihawk,s boat apears in live action the little tiny one in te intro before and after the execution looks like a dingy but no, its hes coffin

[@Omar00L]

There is an error in the translation...you need to know that they said that mihawk is the strongest swordsman not the strongest man...its 2 different things...just to clarify.

[@madeinsound08]

I like how you notice how great some cuts were in early One Piece, cause most tend to say it looked bad at the beginning but honestly it was pretty decent.

[@noside346]

Video audio of one piece getting lower, please make it a tad higher for us viewer can appreciate the video too and we know whats going on, on the scene(i watch OP btw by its great watching again via reactions) watching your reaction vids since ep 1 soo please make it a little bit louder . thank you

[@Johnnykamlon]

Luffy and Zoro are not that far apart strength wise.

[@Dxco31]

i think in live action zoro didn't use 3 sword that much because a director creative decision. because in anime zoro can talk with a sword in his mouth and still looks cool, but it will be looks silly in live action if zoro talking with a sword in his mouth

[@paradonkeyz]

In manga, Mihawk was designed to speak politely and use old-fashioned words, which makes him look old. And with being a legend, The anime creators thought that Mihawk might have aged. Because at the beginning Mihawk's age was not clearly revealed. Still don't know the relationship with anyone. It may cause the creator to misunderstand. At first it was designed to be an old person. Later the dubbing was adjusted to be more appropriate. I'm not sure, this is from my observation. sry for my google translate.

[@eddieoneil117]

This is gonna be a very long fight ngl but the end is nice :)

[@Monkeytheluffy56]

This is where Zoro's journey to the strongest in the world starts, can't wait for you guys to watch 1062.his goal is not much far away now .

[@doodknight01]

I mean on powerscaling... as others have said... the scale isn't really set in this episode. This is like a lumberjack fighting a 2 year old but endulging the fight for the child. Nobody sees how strong you are when doing it, just that you are so drastically more powerful then the kid

[@AP-RSI]

The silhouette of Mihawk's ship looks like a grave with a cross on it! But I still have the feeling that you haven't really understood the meaning of many decisions in One Piece (manga/anime). You're so blinded by the bad live action that you'll probably never understand One Piece. I hope they get so far in the anime that they no longer have any comparison to live action. Only then will they realize the depth of One Piece, I hope!

[@MasterofRoku]

The Live action isn't bad. But because of budget and time, they can only fit so much and some things have to be cut. They'll still understand One Piece. Just give them some time.

[@AP-RSI]

@@MasterofRoku I don't even want to know what the live action will look like (and how much they'll change in the story to make it fit their budget...) once Chopper is there with his various forms, or Franky, or Brook! WTF? What will it look like then? Luffy's Gear 4! LOL I give Live Action 3 seasons, then they'll be history again! I don't like the live action, I don't like the changes in live action, and I don't like a lot of the characters! Never will like it either! - But I'm not giving up hope that they'll be able to enjoy One Piece a lot more once they're past the live action!

[@3Bkun]

Love the discussion in betweens...Keep it up...😉👊

[@mgsneo]

8:53 all the name in one piece follows Japanese naming system/ order, Last name first then first name after, like Monkey(last) D Luffy(first), so in this case Mihawk is the first name, dracule is the last name...

[@sarafontanini7051]

all I can say about the powerscaling is (at the risk of spoiling like expectations or ssuch)...it's not quite as extreme as naruto's and ESPECALLY DBZ's power creep (thus far, no one piece villain is threatening to blow up the planet, especially because,well, they kinda live there) and while there IS some escalation in powers but it makes sense (since at this point we're in the weakest sea where devil fruits are so uncommon people think they're a myth) and even currently MIhawk's implied to still be pretty stronk

[@celiaalvesdeoliveira1353]

Nesse momento da história é como se o Zoro fosse o boxeador mais famoso de uma cidade enfrentando o campeão mundial de boxe. Não tem a menor chance de vencer. Mas com treino e mais experiência tem potencial pra melhorar.