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[@Zatar]

A lot of comments have talked about Warblade of the Hakkari being better than Brutality Blade in the off-hand. They are much closer than I made it seem. According to the most popular spreadsheet, The Hakkari Warblade is .1% better in full t2. They are nearly identical in damage.

[@Luks0107]

in a few words which is better?

[@Zatar]

"The Hakkari Warblade is .1% better"

[@derda9075]

ty bro. can u link that spreadsheet please?

[@shantie8947]

Also worth noting that this makes them BiS for human rogues who do not want maladath in offhand. This frees up Brutaliy Blade for your human warriors as well.

[@Goobermint]

i use thunderfury.

[@MilkBoy270]

Great video dude! I hope you keep making these for naxx and aq :) One thing, the shoulder and trinket together are bis for both dagger and swords in pve. There is a pin on the classic rogue discord about it.

[@Goobermint]

HELLO zatar :) glad you are so keen on renatakies and put it in the thumbnail. its the best pvp trinket in the game :)

[@Sarthetv]

Good Vid brotha, but you you missed Warblade OH being better than BB, and ACTUALLY if you are a HUMAN it's better than Maladath

[@Sarthetv]

rip just seeing all the other comments lol

[@philstedman]

Hakkari war blade is better than brutality blade for OH imo.

[@Cfp-sx2vs]

Let's say that I'm over the soft hit cap, I think I have 11% with ony neck , isnt Eye of Hakkar better at the point because of the huge boost to ap?

[@nicolajjessen9677]

I'm preeeetty sure warblade is a tad better than brut blade in OH, thats what my sheets show anyway. Oh, and great video, I love these ones.

[@MOMOPEWPEW]

warblade of the hakkari is BIS for human rogues and overall better than bb

[@nicolajjessen9677]

Yea that's what my sheets say as well.

[@byteme0000]

That is true, momo, but just the wee tiniest bit better… like +1.23 dps, which is insignificant. Honestly, it isn’t worth spending a /roll on the Warblade OH **unless** you don’t yet have the BB in your OH. Of course, if you’re a min/max kind of person and/or have OCD-which I understand completely-then of course go for it!

[@DLLW93]

does renataki charm activate thistle tea CD and vice versa? What i mean is can you use the charm, backstab then use thistle tea for another 100 energy?

[@Headie91]

They dont share cd, thats what makes this trinket so op. U can use both.

[@MS-pw6jx]

Thanks for the vid man, was looking for this info.

[@dusancvetic5254]

For Human rogues only: In fully buffed raid environment with no 8/8 BF set and Vis'kag in MH, WBoH is on average 4dps better than BB. With 8/8 BF the average difference is 10dps. Also, you have to take into consideration that the better main hand weapon you have better scaling with Hoj and Sword specialization. (i.e. CTS gains extra 3-4 DPS compared to Vis'kag) This is bloodmoon spreadsheet data.

[@yeee321]

heard HoJ messes up sword specialization proc and its better dps to run Royal seal and BHB

[@danielbaudino5276]

I noticed the belt you showed was not the Mindcap Mantle, instead it was the quest reward belt. Is the Mindcap Mantle a better choice than T1 or T2 belt (without set bonus)? Stats are basically the same as T2 belt but with 1% hit instead of 1% crit. Which is preferred?

[@Zatar]

I think you are confusing the token that looks like a belt that is turned in to get the madcap mantle for an actual belt. Madcap mantle is a shoulder piece and it is best in slot for daggers when you have the renataki trinket equipped (and you are not rank 10 in PvP).

[@danielbaudino5276]

@@Zatar Oops you're totally right I was confused by the "girdle" stuff. Thanks!

[@rudeashell]

warblade of the hakkari is now offhand bis, no?

[@Zatar]

Yes I pinned a comment. It's .1% better than brutality blade according to the most popular spreadsheet

[@silverback5814]

@@Zatar so if i have cts and mal would hakkari be better than mal ive got visgag and bb who ever reads this just like the comment instead of a comment for a yes as i dont read comments im human rogue got told i should go for cts and hakkari instead of mal since im already 310

[@Samu3I]

hey! a noob question :(, yesterday I won CTS in BWL, but I had viskag in my MH and mirah song as offhand, I put CTS as main, and viskag as Ofhand, is this ok? and should i have the offhand warblade instead of my viskag ?, and if I would have to replace it with the warblade, can you explain why? Thanks: D P.S = I also have maladath, but everyone says it doesn't work for me because I'm a "human rogue", and the skillcap on weapon is 10 ... so I'd love for you to help me with this :(

[@Zatar]

You should use CTS in your main hand and Maladath in your offhand for now. You won't benefit from the sword skill, but your weapon speed will be faster causing you to get more instant poison and sword spec procs. Since you don't benefit from the weapon skill, you should look to get the off-hand war blade or a brutality blade for your off hand, because they have stats that will increase your damage.

[@scunnered5745]

Going into the later phases of Classic, will daggers or swords be more fun with the coming content? I don't know the loot from AQ and Nax at all and was wondering what you would advise based on your knowledge of the loot to come.

[@jebus7x7]

Come Aq and backstab book youll have more fun swapping to seal fate, its alot more interactive and once you get the 2.5 set youll see #s pop. By naxx time you can swap between sf swords/dags both are fairly close dps wise but ofcourse consider your other gear comp.. like mc.. if you get good daggers before swords stay sf dags

[@bmikechannel]

I have a question for u guys, Im a mace spec rogue with Ebon Hand in both hands, I wanna ask you, the both swords Warblade of the Hakkari are better then Ebon Hand? (in terms of dps)

[@juz882010]

not if u use elixir of shadow power and use shadow oil on your weapons u will top

[@wangyuadam2315]

what about seal of the gurubashi berserker(share loot, a ring with 13sta and 40ap), is it better than julio when i have more 10% hit without one of ring. How do u determine the value of hit chance and attack power and crit chance after u reach soft hit cap?

[@Zatar]

The ring is worse than pre-raid B is in raid. You can use stat weights or Rogue spreadsheets to figure out the value of stats.

[@Kswiss1103]

Great video and straight to the point. Awesome info. Subbed.

[@danielbaudino5276]

Really enjoying your content! I'm confused tho...how are Blooddrenched Footpads better than T1 or T2 (without set bonus)? Is this only if hit cap isn't being achieved? Isn't hit cap 8-9% and easily achievable? Someone un-confuse me, thanks!

[@Zatar]

Hit after 6% still increases your auto attack damage

[@stevendocker6331]

In my current gear, the blooddrenched give an extra 5.35dps over NS, more than likely because of the 24% hit hard cap on white damage despite slightly lower base stats.

[@yeee321]

hit is always prioritized for damage over everything else because hard cap is 24%

[@stevendocker6331]

@@yeee321 well that is just not true...

[@yeee321]

@@stevendocker6331 go on shadowpanther.net, all of the highest MAEP gear has more hit on it

[@xbriskx]

Hmm you sure the OH Hakkari sword is worse than BB if CTS is in MH?

[@folcospoleti2951]

Great video man (as usual tbh), just a q: u think seal fate won’t be available until AQ cause the low crit chance or is it playable now? Ty and gz

[@folcospoleti2951]

Redman Law 99 Good point man... any particular talent tree to suggest? I’m not seeing so many ppl with this build, asked because I remember that back in the days lot of ppl was using it both in PvE and PvP. And what about sword seal fate? Ty ;)

[@Wonnnebju]

Great summary. Keep the series going.

[@yevai]

how many tier pieces should you aim for as dagger rogue to break shadowcraft set bonus? I got PB & CHT first, and now its time to start getting tier pieces.

[@A5i4NXBOX]

It's tough to say because 4 PC shadowcraft is still competitive with T1 depending on the pieces. I wouldn't break 6 pc till you get 2 set pieces, then wouldnt break 4 pc till you have 4 set pieces

[@A5i4NXBOX]

Oh the only time where it would be worth to break 6 pc is with ACLG if you are daggers, or if you get Shadow Flame Boots

[@yevai]

@@A5i4NXBOX I have ACLG, it doesnt break SC. I have t2 helm in bank, but I think its not enough to break set, yeah maybe when I get nef boots

[@A5i4NXBOX]

@@yevai Weapon skill with ACLG will do more for you than shadowcraft procs. I would definitely break 6 pc and just rock 4 pc if you have t2 hat

[@yevai]

@@A5i4NXBOX ACLG doesnt break Shadowcraft, you can use both. question is if only t2 helm is enough to make up for shadowcraft procs, which I dont thing so, especially not in longer fights like nef where you get like 4-5 procs easily

[@derda9075]

Which one is the better offhand for a human rogue in full T2/bwl gear? Brutality Blade or Warblade of the hakkari? and why?

[@Milkoo1337]

If you have full t2 and full BWL, i assume you have viskag and temepered sword aswell? Wich would be better than bb and hakari

[@Milkoo1337]

But hakkari would be better. Check stats you should understand if youve got that gear

[@Cfp-sx2vs]

Warblade of the Hakkari is the Best OH you can get through all of classic as a human, no other OH will boost your ap as much as warblade and it makes your main hand hit so much harder that its not even debatable, also the speed allows for more poison procs

[@bigbaxta1223]

what are your thoughts on the blooddrenched mask?

[@Zatar]

It is better than pre-raid bis, but worse than tier one and foror's

[@byteme0000]

For **human** rogues, the offhand Warblade is BIS.

[@ngithens]

No mention of distracting dagger in the dagger talk - it's a better offhand than Gutgore ripper by a country mile and beats Dragonfang without ACLG

[@k2k4]

I got my second ring (band of jin) last night. I did a comparison of this and my desired rings (band of accuria and master dragon Slayer's ring) and the difference is only like 12 ap and 1% hit. I'm satisfied with this until I can get those other rings.

[@juz882010]

what about the helm with 2% hit

[@Zatar]

It's worse than t, t2, and the eye patch, but better than mask of unforgiven

[@ryanvance1767]

Anyone want to explain how 29 AP is > 32 AP when comparing BiS shoulders for daggers?

[@Zatar]

40 attack power set bonus

[@ryanvance1767]

Zatar T2 has less AP than the Zg shoulders. How are the T2 shoulder still Bis for daggers?

[@Zatar]

Could you clarify which two items you are comparing? The only place where t2 shoulders show up is for combat swords because of the 8 set bonus. The rank 10 head and shoulders are bis for daggers because of the set bonus. Tier 1 are are ever so slightly better than the zg shoulders because 6 agility is better than 9 strength..

[@ryanvance1767]

I missed typed I meant to type T1.

[@Zatar]

Did my response answer your question?

[@Soapie710]

have you gotten BoA and nef ring yet?

[@Zatar]

Yes, why?

[@Samnader2]

u the goat zat

[@andreasdeluma521]

Hero Medallion is great for ambush and backstab damage bonus, you didnt even mention that - in a rogue video...

[@nubl3718]

Useful thanks

[@thevlaka]

thistle tea > zg trinket

[@henriklassen3435]

Stop showing items for less than 5 sec!!!

[@Milkoo1337]

Just pause xD

[@henriklassen3435]

@@Milkoo1337 oh I did =)