ZWIFT Mountain Bike Route and Steering: First Look // Ride-Through

[@kevinm1728]

The smile on his face isn't due to Zwift. What you're witnessing is a road biker realizing how much more fun and interesting mountain biking is... hang loose, homies.

[@gplama]

I needs me a gravel bike. I can't swim in the deep end first! :)

[@jamesengelsma3]

Next up from Wahoo: a trainer that throws you off the bike when you hit a root, called the Wahoo buckr

[@gplama]

Sounds more like a Rim Fukr! haha!

[@dwerner515]

Next product from Wahoo a fan that throws mud in your face. Looking forward to bring my XC bike to the virtual trails.

[@michaeltan511]

It’s called the Wahoo mudSlingR lol

[@DanArnets1492]

Zwift needs to release a full-blown replica of a bicycle with EVERYTHING incorporated: · Smart trainer · Steering sensor · Braking sensor

[@linusjansson5086]

Yeah and with hill climb simulation

[@Alfredo1987a]

Wouldnt it be easier to just go outside and ride?

[@Chuckolicious]

Alfredo1987a Unless I get on a plane to Sedona, not much this time of year for me.

[@ItsExetic]

@@Alfredo1987a It would be great for riders who have severe allergies these months

[@Bmxmusikian]

£8,995

[@Hardcaslte]

Man I can't wait for them to put in some proper distance XC paths just like this for practicing MTB riding. Sharp, sudden, short climbs with drops and hard pedaling with soft pedaling, etc. My road bike friends don't understand why MTB is so hard, this video shows why. No constant cadence, no consistent gradient, nothing is smooth and steady about it. It's such good training.

[@demacherius1]

Today was supposed to be a recovery Ride. But now I have to get that Mountainbike ! Love it

[@stuarthart4498]

@gplama can you do a quick video on your LazySusan set up/ how-to guide. - will be so doing this tonight when I get home...

[@davidstastny1085]

Wow!! That worked really well. Tried it with the Wahoo Climb and it was amazing. Steering needs a bit of power steering though with the Kickr Mat under it. Will have to put something under it to make the steering easier. That was fun!

[@Roadgolden]

do you think a bit of carpet might work under the climb? to help it pivot

[@davidstastny1085]

Aaron Milligan Yeah, think that would do the trick. It wasn’t terrible with the mat but could have been a tad easier to steer.

[@kennyshinn6547]

two pieces of cardboard?

[@JimHaysom]

Love the fact you gave some people Ride Ons when you mounted your phone on the companion app.

[@AlexanderChatzakis]

Hahaha exactly! Spread the love, even in a tutorial video!

[@WKG111]

Time to buy shares in 'Lazy Susan's'. 😁 Great video as always. 👍🏽

[@juniorbear9]

Great fun and works really well with an old Tacx black track steering system 😁👍

[@davidleonardpir]

Was running up and down that track yesterday. Asked me to stay on the road or go off right on a '?' Course with no picture. Decided to take the mystery course. Was the only one on it. Was a nice little tour of the mountain

[@oldsap]

neat hack for the front wheel steering

[@Chucky90tt1]

Gday, Thanks for the turn by turn commentary on the MTB steering option and trail. Cheers!

[@MrTvJefe]

Following your Kickr Bike videos and am close to pulling the trigger on buying one, but this makes me question that decision. Why buy the "ultimate training tool" if it's already not compatible with the newest feature of Zwift? You probably have the ear of Wahoo better than I -- are they saying anything about this?

[@MrRobit33]

I wasnt sure about this , but this video looks great . Well done Zwift .

[@daanbarr1632]

Whoever came up with this deserves a raise

[@270blevins]

This puts an end to all the cold and rainy days… can’t wait.

[@LioVujasin]

How long till we have some Zwiftduro races when riders have to do their best time on different stages 🤩 Would be so fun! 🤘🏽

[@corymiller4543]

Lama, if you do another video for the new steering feature/MTB course (I think you alluded to a Kickr Climb attempt in another video), one thing that might be interesting to those of us that haven't attempted yet is a camera setup over your bars, sync'd with the video of the onscreen course navigation, just to give us a better sense of how much you are turning your bars to ride the course. Just a thought.

[@MrBrwnchknbrwncow]

you get to keep the mountain bike as a regular ride!?!?! I'm hooked!!! Ready to virtually wear down knobs on the pave'!!!

[@austintaylor4790]

Looking forward to doing this after I am out of school

[@IanB17]

The gradient changes on the trail make this ideal for the Kickr Climb so really interested to see how it works with that. You don’t get much side to side movement on the bars with a Climb though so the actual steering itself might be a struggle. Chapeau to Zwift though, it looks awesome.

[@austintaylor4790]

It is so awesome great job to the team at zwift

[@mikesimms1]

I tried it earlier today with the front wheel just on the floor. it was a little awkward, so I picked up a lazy susan swivel base from Lowes while running errands this afternoon. Will have to try that out later today or maybe tomorrow.

[@scottishracer]

Next video: How to build the angled lazy susan for steering

[@DanielFonseca1]

13:09 So funny, Shane goes "Steering whilst out of the saddle" and you can see the phone screen (with some lag/delay) going "Hey Siri lost in the saddle" !!!

[@TedKidd]

AWESOME! MORE COURSES! ...AND EBIKE SETTINGS! (Out of the seat? lol, mountain bike climbs can be brutal)

[@Djwindas]

Just ordered my turbo trainer cant wait to get on this

[@juhatanskanen762]

Nice ride! And when comes the Elite Suito rewiew? It seems like that is what i´m buying to be my first smart trainer - weather is getting wet and cold in here ..! So all the best to Lama family from Finland !!

[@gplama]

Soon. There’s a few early release firmware I’m putting to the sword first.

[@juhatanskanen762]

Ok! Thanks Shane! Your reviews and search for the better is beneficial to the biking community!! I ´m waiting that Suito test . Let´s hope, that Elite can update whatever there is to update to. I ´ve seen the brief test by DcRainmaker so far ....

[@inferno4001]

The suito indeed looks like probably "the best of the rest" in direct drive indoor trainers! (gonna get this one and ditch my tacx vortex.!)

[@brakesmadly]

Going by the way you were moving about there are going to be Zwifters lying on the floor next to their trainers all over the world!

[@pnkpdlr3686]

Nice, will try this out this evening and already ordered 'Lazy Suzans'. :)

[@DJAsh-Lee]

Siiiick! *searches Ebay for Lazy Susan

[@ojtamno]

Shane in action, taking mountain bike route with road bike ;-) Nice, very, very nice :)

[@keithallen4313]

First go today and got the Mtb on my second go. Love the steering. I have made a swivel plate out of a car cam belt tensioner bearing with plates welded to it . One lower leg has a bolt the change the angle . 16 inch wood top plate with Tacx wheel holder mounted in the centre with one screw. Lucky it even seems to self centre fairly well. After setting the angle of the turn plate there seem no movement at the back of the bike on the trainer. I am planning to leave the turn plate on my setup full time as I like the extra movement on the bike even just riding on the unsteered Zwift.

[@andrewwylie9259]

Hoping the new wahoo bike allows some mechanism to turn the handlebars...maybe just slam it and don't tighten it?

[@stevefuller2260]

I loved the ride. I did it using my Kickrclimb. Only issue was the steering wouldn’t recenter. If you have a lazy Susan type cheese board then you are half way there for creating your front wheel swivel

[@peebee1357]

Looks ace x I’m giving it a go later x pity new kicker bike hasn’t a steer function however looks good . I’d love to try this on a group ride on the road 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jameslamb6020]

Thanks for the laugh. I love taking people on trails they have never seen and it’s a complete stitch up with epic vert.

[@chrisl.6158]

Wow. have to give this a try! Looks very exciting! 😀

[@mattcostall5321]

Your reaction is priceless to the never ending ascents, looks horrific fun

[@vincem5]

that looks friggin awesome! cant wait to try it out. btw welcome to MTB riding where pinches are steeper but shorter :)

[@mrvwbug4423]

Short punchy climbs, where 1x MTB drivetrains shine. I would almost strap my full sus to my Wahoo to do this course, but I don't have a rear lockout, the pedal bob would be horrible haha. As it is I currently run a hardtail MTB on my Wahoo for Zwift.

[@tthheekk]

How does it feel in terms of counter steering? ie at a certain speed, say above 10kph you actually turn slightly left with the bars and lean to the right to go right. It's interesting, and clever perhaps, that they have introduced this on mtb on a big climb where this sensation, or lack thereof, would be less obvious. I think they will struggle to emulate the realism when/if it's applied to the rest of the game. It's still a cool little feature either way, and good on them for trying!

[@gplama]

It's gamification, not real simulation for any kind of training benefit.

[@synergyelectric4074]

Send it!!! Thanks for sharing.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Seems like those hills on Repack Ridge were actually designed with 1x MTB drivetrains in mind. 50t cassette would definitely help on those 15% grades haha.

[@rcuadro]

So many RideOn that is looks like a giant Smurf if hammer fisting your head! Now to get a lazy Suzan to work with the Kick Climb!

[@johnora3857]

Update notes also say „Mission added for october“ and „achievements added for completing routes“ any infos about that?

[@zeekryder7735]

John O RA they corrected the garage note that wouldn’t turn off🤨

[@johnora3857]

@@zeekryder7735 :( i thought only i had the problem. appreciate the solution nevertheless...

[@zeekryder7735]

I couldn’t find the mission. I did 285 last week but only got 120 credit because I was on Richmond and only part on Yorkshire 😮😧

[@zeekryder7735]

Oh now I see for October 5 until Kona race. And now we need gravel wheels for the jungle circuit

[@rhettro7236]

Hey llama, what model ‘lazy susan’ do you have? I’ll have a look at Bunnings. I agree that it needs to be on an angle. Thanks for the vid 😎

[@gplama]

I can't recall the specific model. I made a video on it ages ago but never uploaded because nothing really used it.... I'll loop back to this and get the specifics as a lot of people have asked.

[@sdelk]

@@gplama Yassss please....your lazy susan now has purpose!!

[@briantodd2912]

Shane Miller - GPLama also looking for the lazy Susan model / love the vid

[@jamesharvey1875]

brian todd m.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/art/40176460/

[@onlyfoolriding8223]

This is fucking awesome. Imagine the MTB races!

[@itsdeebs5156]

litterally saw this pop up mid ride. been waiting for this to get released .... might be tomorrow thing now

[@nielst.3891]

Or place a plastic hard lid under the front wheel, that can help too. That’s what I’ve tried with the Wahoo Climb attached 👍

[@BeadsByAria]

WAHOO ENGINEERING PLEASE NOTE!!! Here is a great hack I will soon put on youtube. When I was trying to decide between Kickr Bike and wahoo trainer, I was planning to use Zwift, with a particular interest in riding their new MTB trail. However, I was worried about the fact that steering with smart phone running ZC (Zwift Companion) would only work with wahoo trainer. And as a MTBr I want to ride trails! (Repack ridge) But with an engineering and fabrication background I had a feeling there would be a no-harm Kickr bike hack I would come up with. And so I got the bike, and lo and behold there is! Create Moveable handle bars. I tested the concept by loosening the screws attaching stem to head set Post, applied some high viscosity lubricant, mounted the phone on handle bars with ZC running, and it works: handle bars move, and you can ride repack ridge and steer with Kickr Bike! I have since fabricated my own stem, headset assembly that does this more permanently-with no harm done to Kickr bike as I just swapped the parts. And, this “hack” works incredibly well. latency is not bad, and it really makes for great virtual mountain biking and a great workout. Also moving handle bars generally add to realism and decreases fatigue. So If Wahoo engineers are listening: Make an add on handle bar set with freely moving steering to pair with ZC with smart phone attached. Or better yet, use encoders in the head stem assembly and team up with Zwift for Kicker bike steering. In the meantime I’ll continue to use this mountain bike steering hack! It’s friggin awesome! Joe

[@sch79]

Remember to pump up your front tire. Using an simple beveled piece of cedar siding worked as a front wheel plate. And it was free.

[@gplama]

Don't flat-spot your tyre now! :)

[@barretxcr]

I’m super addicted! It’s all I want to do today! 🤣

[@ivancajka732]

I guess in races hiting the apex in corners and not hiting the wall plays a big role when they implement it

[@SUPMyRace]

Nice. Kinda makes the new smart bikes look less smart though. I imagine the Kickr bike would be entertaining on the course but I believe the bars won't move? But the price tag of the bike makes that a non-issue for me ;)

[@lindsaycripps1597]

Rode the mountain bike circuit last night. Using Neo 1 and Apple TV. Updated to IOS13 and Zwift. Finished the circuit Ok but found when leaving and going downhill a high level of resistance.Tried exiting and resuming but that didn't;t help. Saved closed Zwift and reopened and tried another ride. The resistance was still there for the first couple of pedal rotations then went away. Ok now. Ticket with Zwift but no reply yet.Any idea or similar experience? Never had this happen before.

[@fhdabd9638]

Wow !.. this really needs VR Glasses

[@markbick1306]

I’ve just bought an Elite Sterzo and really enjoyed this but… is there literally only this one route after all this time???

[@geetee4037]

Gonna be pedal strike crazy when all the Zwift roadies try MTBing for the first time! Cool update to the game.

[@gplama]

I think the skills will transfer. I was awesome at robbery and beating up randos after playing GTA. 🤷🏻‍♂️😉

[@geetee4037]

@@gplama haha, me too! Let's just hope nobody tries to pedal the whole way down a trail. Pretty impressive nonetheless and shows what's coming on Zwift.

[@cohoonatube]

Extremely helpful, thanks!

[@alfredristan3445]

WOW ! This is cool .

[@lehtjug]

Nice work from Zwift this mtb route. Now need to thing how to ride that with kickr climb.

[@sdelk]

trying to figure out how to get that angle onto a standard kitchen "lazy susan"

[@keithmicomonaco616]

Glue some foam to the bottom perhaps?

[@corymiller4543]

Shane, did you get a chance when you spun around for your 2nd lap to see if you could ride it backwards? That would be wicked sweet if they enable that. All those brutal "moon trail" climbs would be nutty if they were reversed into descents. I'm hooked enough after watching to have added to cart out of my wishlist and purchased, the Kinetic Turntable riser I had previously saved when I saw the first videos of this features a few weeks back at Eurobike. I did some quick research back then on "spinny" risers and I think on Zwift Insider someone (Eric perhaps) had mentioned the Kinetic Turntable, so went ahead and grabbed it. I'll give it a go without any initial additional modifications to angle it, and see how that goes and adjust accordingly if need be. Hopefully this becomes something that Zwift continues to expand on and the turntable/lazy susan accessory purchase is justified and doesn't just become a paper weight down the road. Great review as always Shane and thanks for getting this up so quickly!

[@gplama]

No u-turn on the 2nd lap when I tried, no crashes either when hitting rocks head on! haha

[@corymiller4543]

@@gplama That last bit is reassuring, especially after my 2nd to most recent IRL MTB ride where I got a little cocky after about 30 minutes of successful riding at one of the more popular ranch trails here in Central/South Texas and ended up endo-ing on a 2.5 ft drop, landing on my head and shoulders about a foot from a pretty prodigious rock that, had i hit, would not have made for a very rest of my day. Didn't sell the mtb after that experience, but let's just say i was quickly reminded of my mortality at that moment. Looking forward to no endo-ing and more single track from Zwift in the future. Will test out Repack tomorrow when that Kinetic turntable gets in from Amazon!

[@Brantastic07]

Will the kickr climb work on a lazy suzan/turn table or will be problems???

[@marctremblay7805]

I wonder how Tacx Road Feel is on the course. Could be pretty cool!

[@Chader9]

It works, like the other dirt/gravel sections (as reported by my wife from her ride last night).

[@neilmacpherson260]

When are wahoo planning adding an alongside treadmill so that most Uk Mtb riders can get off the bike on the ups & push their way up the climbs , then coast& steer down the descents?! (Said as a Uk based rider always amazed at how many folks walk on climbs)

[@jasongiordano907]

Another lap?? Good for you Lama!!

[@Mindblower008]

Great vid! As always

[@murrayhealey4426]

JetBlack will have our new TurnBlock out by Christmas. We will have a Smart Version following shortly after. The Turn Block will solves your problems @Shane Miller

[@hikerguy1]

This is pretty cool! If you have a 3d TV, you can use the 2d to 3d conversion feature for extra immersion.

[@simmer484]

Wonder how that would feel on Roovy

[@dupondavignon869]

12:23 : Distracted at first, I started to sweat severely when I saw the counter displaying 15'31" still at that point of the ride (vs the necessary finish time off 12'30" to get the MTB). Knowing that Lama was already drooling a bit to keep up with this pace.

[@bmccall30]

Shane! Patent that Lazy Susan design for indoor steering ASAP!

[@gplama]

I’d have to pay royalties to every Susan out there. It could get expensive... for me! Hahah!

[@bmccall30]

“Lama Steering Disk” sounds like a product to me.

[@mauricedejongh7969]

I guess you've prepared ahead? Jumped on today for training and saw the update, tried steering but front wheel on flat surface wasn't working well...

[@Kane12653]

Good video!

[@michwoz]

I like how your avatars sways right/left same as you when riding out of the saddle :)

[@stevemiller7532]

What level do you need to be to access the MTB route? I'm a new Zwifter who uses a MTB on my trainer and still pretty low level.

[@gplama]

I think it's for everyone.

[@shaneporteous1310]

they even get the bike head lamp bang on :)

[@franciscomoreno1421]

zwift recomend direct drive trainers how the Tacx Neo 2T and the Wahoo KICKR, other smart direct drive trainers can be used?, pasive direct drive how lemond trainer can be used with zwift offroad , with power meter pedals?, thanks.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Now I've got an excuse to buy that mountain bike. Sweet!

[@Sworksfsr]

Shane- looking for your thoughts. I'm a mountain biker and had a Kickr and Trainer road. I didn't find any routines that simulated mountain biking very well, and found indoor training boring. As Zwift adds more courses do you think its a good fit for a mountain biker in the winter? Which trainer would you pair it with? I'm hoping Zwift might make it more engaging.

[@gplama]

I’d look at the kind of short sharp efforts that MTB riding requires and make a few workouts around those efforts.

[@jonathanzappala]

I have a spare phone case with a garmin mount sticky on the back, so my phone mounts right on my garmin mount. The 2x4 I use as a wheel block is not as cool as your lazy Susan. This is cool.

[@krisbowditch827]

Hopefully include a cyclocross bike and races 💪💪💪😂👍👍

[@alisonblaken3886]

Need a test with kicker climb and lazy Susan

[@Chader9]

Already done by David Stastny a few comments prior.

[@ludoms100]

Looking foward for a dh version!

[@carlhansen1093]

Need a steering pad that goes under the kickr climb.

[@glenparker1730]

Hi Shane, great video, where did you get the pivot plate from, seems to work well!

[@gplama]

I’ve used a home made one in the past. The Elite Sterzo Smart is what you’re after for the best experience at the moment.

[@Bmxmusikian]

Haha really enjoyed watching that.... I wana try!

[@TheYetiAdventures]

I was dreaming about that for a long time. Next big thing would be to add XC WorldCup Courses to Zwift. After that invite Nino for a round and see how good you are on Zwift😆😆

[@thetheflyinghawaiian]

Whoa whoa whoa this already came out?!

[@sgalenchapmanjr7456]

I wonder what road feel would feel like with the Neo? You should give it a go that way...

[@gplama]

Yep, it has road feel with a Neo.

[@abossart241080]

@Shane, how will this work with kickr climb. I was thinking to buy one but maybe I should wait a bit?

[@lhotse1716]

Interesting. Do you think the phone needs to be mounted fairly close to the steerer tube, or would it still work being mounted further out front (which would create more of a waving motion rather than a rotational motion)? I would prefer to mount it out front to reduce the amount of sweat dropping on it, and being able to keep my towel on the bars.

[@gplama]

I have only tried on the stem.

[@TheGinger1]

Looks like Siri wanted to join in as well.

[@gplama]

Hahah! I didn’t notice that at the time.

[@corymiller4543]

Apparently Siri doesn't speaking Aussie....either that or "she" is super narcissistic and thinks Shane's oxygen-debted utterance of "steering" was a call to her for help....EPO handup perhaps? ;)

[@Michel-ds2uq]

Is the Garmin vector 3s a good powermeter? Or should i buy another one that money?

[@pontussoderman4758]

Currently at wahoo HQ someone is searching for a hacksaw and a hinge.....

[@6ft8incyclist]

Wonder it Wahoo Climb can work on the large enough lazy Susan.

[@Chader9]

Yes, it works fine, as reported by some riders in other forums.

[@SimoneChiaretta]

Funny to see that the MTB has 3 aero stars.. Aero MTB? :D

[@gplama]

GAINZ! ;)

[@vengermanu9375]

I wonder if they got the idea for steering from "The Rivet" software (posted July 3rd on DC Rainmaker's channel) although I suspect it was already in development by then

[@gplama]

Steering was in Zwift before it was even Zwift. This is a video from founder Jon Mayfield from 2011 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qV60ZYh7dsSAaqc

[@vengermanu9375]

@@gplama Looks good. Looking forward trying it tonight in Zwift assuming my (android) companion app is happy enough to talk to my Apple TV