You can try keeping them in a larger pen for alone time so they can move around and make choices. Choose a time they are calmer to begin with. Also go drop a treat when the dog lays down in the house or in the or pen throughout the day before trying on leash.

I think it depends. I mean if you have a child and they have 3 meals a day, the time between the meals youre not using -p. And for it to be -p a behavior would have to reduce to call it that term. For me it’s all about expectations being broken that make it feel punishing or negative experience the learner. Like what if your child got a special treat between meals when they came in from school reliably then one day the parent just pretended to ignore them. This expectation being broken even though the child was full from lunch. I don’t think they’re that many people using food deprivation. But I am sure in this world there still are. I really hope not but that is how positive training began with zoo animals and aquariums starving animals so they had no choice but to do things for food. I feed my dogs half their daily food in the morning. Then train 1 hour later with treats so they aren’t hungry during training. But I think that bad timing and raising criteria too quickly can be just as damaging… creating dogs who literally look like they are suffering during the training. People are so focused on getting “the behavior” they want and not focused on the dog and what the dog wants and needs to be physically and emotionally healthy. After time the dogs end up having a stressed out emotional response to even being in a training situation or hearing the cues. I can’t understand why people can’t see the dogs behavior ?

Hehe! Yay for the garden. I was lazy with my last puppy and the shoe thing happened with me too- it could have all been avoided but it was a good lesson for me hehe in patience

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Some dogs just have a tendency to get excited compared to others so for some dogs like my previous terrier tug it was a life time of going back a step to work on calmness

It’s really hard to find a breeder who is honest about temperament and history of the lines, the best bet is spending time with the relatives of the dog being bred seeing what they are like in person asking if you can talk to people who owned prior puppies related to the puppies you are interested in. Make sure they are doing Health tests checking hips and elbows on X-rays and making sure there is no epilepsy in the lines. Epilepsy is common in border collies. I personally look for border collies with relatives who are not showing anxiety fear reactivity resource guarding and aggression which can be common especially in dogs bred for sport and winning prizes over temperament

@kikopup thank you for the informative response. It's important to do that thorough research but a little daunting. Good starting places. The problem is idk anyone who has a border collie near me. Gonna check the local training clubs and see. What are your thoughts about ppl on gooddog?

How wonderful! Congrats on your efforts paying off wonderfully!

This is my friends puppy from 3 years ago. Roma is a rough collie the type from the movie lassie

Yes. Funny that dogs can have the same issues that people have when having to share etc.

It’s a good example you can really see there’s not even a thought about the other dogs as competitors like what can happen if left to their own devices.

Yeah. My dog wish I had to teach her to back away create distance otherwise she would want to go strait to fight. Now probably the worst she would do is snap at a strange loose dog but before it was a lot of management adding dogs to my house especially tiny dogs. If I had all wish’s, sharp anxious quick to act females oh my goodness

Awe that’s so awesome. And there’s nothing wrong with a dog saying no to another dog, but if it kept happening all the time- it’s time to step in and teach the one dog not to ignore the other dogs needs or teach a dog bulling or guarding not to worry and share etc

@kikopup It felt more like my male was saying, "Hey, that's not how things work around here." Like he was being my Sherrif. Once I would teach the new dogs "manners," all disputes went away, so I definitely think it was my fault for creating a space that didn't have clarity on what's expected.

Yes. I think some dogs are naturals at matching their play partner like my dogs bliss and others they need help to learn- you can just recall as you see something you think is worrisome begin then take a break and try again. There are some dogs that play with other dogs like the other dog is a toy rather than reading them and taking turns, without guidance.

@kikopup okay, yeah, that makes sense to me. The toy analogy is interesting too, I'll keep an eye out for that.

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I suggest instead of trying to figure out what the dogs, motivations and feelings are like human jealousy or what not I would think in terms of the dog is feeling uncomfortable and dislikes how it’s being approached. Your dog might approach people in a very calm, caring manner, looking away, arcing around stopping and letting the other dog approach to them, but no doubt these dogs have had the experience of some owner, letting their loose dog charge their dog, at first their dog, probably threw out a lot of warning signs. Please leave me alone, but the dog kept running at them so after this happens multiple times dogs try harder to say no and they are not listened to by the other dogs. People think their dog running over to a little dog is a friendly dog, but it’s extremely rude and scary. It’s the same as if you were walking down an alley and some man just ran straight at you and then started touching you or touching your partner. To be a help to people with dogs that do not trust other dogs running at them, you can stop from a distance of 30 or 20 feet hold your dog and let the other person‘s dog approach yours instead of vice versa, where they are the sitting duck being rushed up on. That way the dog has a choice about the interaction and can choose to approach or not. For me it has to do with a lack of choice feeling trapped and not trusting the strange dogs intentions. If a dog comes at me running or trotting offering no signs of friendliness by blocking looking away, stopping and inviting, I pick my little dogs up and prevent them having a negative experience with a dog who is a bully. I will let them interact with dogs who read them and slow down and invite them in conversation or play. By doing this- preventing them as much as I can from having an experience with a dog who wants a one sided relationship and is not reading or listening to them my little dogs trust I’ll help them and don’t react and are friendly and play with social dogs. If you watch a little dog bark at a dog approaching and the dog doesn’t immediately stop slow down arc and create distance and let the little dogs approach them they are not listening to the dog at all and just thinking about what THEY want to do. Some dogs can also have genetic tendency to guard and they feel more uncomfortable with a person or dog coming and messing with their owner or their own body, and they need to be respected and the training approach to be slower than just hoping they habituate to dogs and people doing things to them that makes them uncomfortable. I have a protocol for resource guarding here - dogmantics.com/resource-guarding-protocol/

​@@kikopuphi Emily. I want to say that I cannot believe how much thought and how much energy you took to write the reply you did to me. I feel kind of bad about that because I wasn't I guess explaining what I was trying to say very well and all I meant by it was that when I meet people they have all these notions about how their dog is aggressive or will bite my dog but just looking at the dog I can see the dog has none of that aggression at all it's the owner that just kind of talk themselves into feeling that their dog because when he plays he makes a growling noise they say he's aggressive. An example I can give my help the other day in a big baseball field there was a guy with his girlfriend and they just got a new dog from the pound and their other dog was with them well this is a park where everyone lets their dog off leash nobody owns any part of the park it's a public place so my dog ran into the field. The guy yelled at me and said get your effing dog out of here this is a new dog and he's very aggressive and he'll probably end up really harming your animal.and I said well don't worry about that I don't see any signs of your dog right now having any uncomfortable feelings or anything so I'm okay with it and he said well you know what I'm not. I said okay well his dog started running with my dog I told my dog to get out of the field and it started trotting away and his dog started running after my dog in a very playful way and they started running together wrestling together and just having a really grand old time. But the guy said come here to his dog he put a leash on his dog and said I don't want my dog playing with your dog and he's not playing he's aggressive I was shocked about how this guy could call his dog aggressive when they both were just having so much fun together that was really my only point Emily that I don't train anymore I'm totally disabled chronically ill on really dealing with very bad complex PTSD I wasn't trying to make a training point or anything I was really trying to make a more social point about how people will tell you what their dogs all about when you can clearly see that they made them that way.I've also seen people when their dogs are aggressive go up to their dog and say it's okay baby you're okay don't don't worry so the dog got rewarded for being aggressive and trying to bite my dog. That's another thing I see probably more than anything really bad behavior to my dog and then they'll take their dog and cuddle it and make it you know all baby baby it's okay I mean to me that's rewarding really harmful behavior but anyways the main thing is thank you so much you put so much heart into your reply to me and I felt really bad because I wasn't trying to look at it like how to do it right you know how to do it right . I enjoyed the video because it shows that you can have a multi dog home and there's a right way and there's not such a right way and that's that but I'm sorry if I did not explain myself well thank you for everything again it was very very thorough and very loving to write that reply to me.

You can use the diet. For my tiny dogs I feed them vital essentials freeze dried dog food that is complete in nutrition and cut it into tiny pieces to use as treats. You can also get small dog kibble etc

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Thanks! So glad you found it helpful!

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Yeah they are amazing!

Yeah I can be frustrating. Sometimes naming the gaits- slow walk for me is “slow” and trot is “speed up” then you practice between the two but a dog with long legs in a fast walk can sometimes be quite fast hehe

Sometimes when using a crate it can create a puppy that doesnt settle when loose in the house. I suggest keeping puppies in pens during alone time so they learn to play and nap. you can sit next to the pen if they are worried about being alone at first. dogmantics.com/product/kikopups-guide-to-puppy-training/ my puppy training video for sale on my website goes into detail about the benefits of having a puppy loose in one room and teaching them what to do rather than too much pen or crate time. This free video talks about - puppies and dogs who dont relax when loose - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJy4YZduq8pqmsU

@@kikopup thank you for the thoughtful response! She gets the vast majority of her free time in a large playpen (it's most of our family room and connects to our sofa with us). We pop in and out but mostly there's a human nearby and supervising when she's there. Naps are in a plastic crate in a dark bedroom and are always enforced by us after an hour or two of awake time. She laid down independently in a relaxed state in the playpen area for the first time yesterday at 12 weeks old! We're trying to transition to a wire crate in the family room so we can feel better about leaving her alone, and she goes in and out of it happily, but mostly to play and not to settle. We practice "down" and "wait" and opening/closing the door there, but haven't worked up to walking away yet.