Ecc83

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@lpa74 2 күн бұрын

just sounds like you lowered the volume for the new tubes

@lpa74 2 күн бұрын

i cant hear a difference maybe i need headphones..im not sure i am very surprised at the comments all saying how much better the vintage sound

@is3commander 22 күн бұрын

Thank you for the comparison, great video!

@gsyl655 29 күн бұрын

I liked the vintage better on the solo tracks, but when the the other instruments were added I felt the JJ's had more clarity and air in the mix. It reminds me of the subtle differences between a Neve board and an API board. Neve having the more warm, huge sound...while the API has unmatched clarity and punchiness. As more tracks are layered, those sonic signatures tend to compound....so warm & huge is more prone to muddiness, while clarity & punchiness are more prone to becoming warmer and tighter. So I'd take the Philips tube for playing solo guitar and then use the JJ for playing in a band or multi-track recording.

@ecc8344 22 күн бұрын

Whatever works for you :)

@mvdorantes Ай бұрын

this video makes a lot of sense why music from back in the day just has alot more life

@LilArt2k6 Ай бұрын

What year is the mullard? Im looking to purchase a mullard for this sound!!! Also, any tips when looking for this tube?

@Madmart54 Ай бұрын

May be its personal taste but I preferred the 6N2P by far-cleaner,open, detailed,exciting,foot tapping. The ECC83 sounded just the opposite. Very muted and dull lacking excitement, smeary as though someone grabbed the treble tone control and turned it down.

@bluevd12 Ай бұрын

What amp? is this secret?

@ecc8344 Ай бұрын

Bogner Alchemist into 1x12 Greenback cab

@bluevd12 Ай бұрын

@@ecc8344 ok cool

@MultiSpur 2 ай бұрын

I have a Mazda tube that says Made in England BVA, which confused me because when I search online I see that Mazda is made in France. Ah, so now I can assume I have a Brimar. Thanks for the info

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Mazda rebranded lot of tubes beside making their own, i think the "silver/chrome plates" is the only true 12ax7 made by Mazda, France. What you have is Brimar, great tube anyways, similar to Mullard but bit more bright sounding.

@garygallagher7341 2 ай бұрын

2 years back I bought a Philips 12ax7 labelled tube with delta 7l and a barely visible mc5 on the bottle. However, it has a ring getter and not a D. This confused me as I later read that all the long plates had D getters - yet your second tube has a ring! In other words - I'm happy to see I wasn't tricked!

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Hi there. There are many variations of getters among long plate tubes, horse shoe, side post getter, ring getter.. etc. depends on the series and manufacturer, there are many tube fascinado websites out there where you can check out which exact series was your tube :)

@stikfeetthemana6081 2 ай бұрын

Do you have any experience with the square getter tubes? I've been interested in seeing the differences.

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Hi there. I dont think the getter shape influences the sound as much as the overall materials and chemical compounds that were use to make tube all together. I believe that getters were more of "experimental" component which were manufacturers playing around to per say create more efficient tube function by absorbing gas molecules.

@andyhayes7828 2 ай бұрын

The new tubes were a tad granier in the mids which I liked, and the old had a tad more depth and top end presence.

@soumyajitdeb3943 2 ай бұрын

The gain on the JJ seems slightly lower than the gain on the miniwatt.

@briandonovan9560 2 ай бұрын

Yes, PHILIPS product from 1959 Amperex Holland and Siemens Halske Munich are some of my favorites...

@ceylonmooney 2 ай бұрын

the asking prices for real lorenz stuttgart are stupid expensive. i luv those valvos.

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Were there any ECC83 types made by Lorenz? I know Lorenz made some tubes but im not sure about audio tubes

@ceylonmooney 2 ай бұрын

@@ecc8344 yes of course. very famous among tube audiophiles....ecc88, E88CC, PCC88, EC81-83, etc. they didnt make many compared to the other german manufacturers, and they have a reputation of being outstanding audio tubes.

@petersullivan3551 2 ай бұрын

The first track with the clean electric guitars shows the differences the best - nice test !

@linaivanuta5943 2 ай бұрын

Awesome video!!! Can't wait to try it in my preamp 🤪

@MrJLobster 2 ай бұрын

Thanks man! You described the differences exactly how I heard it. Got a lot of german old and nos tubes myself. The ECC808 are basically new and will loosen up a little bit after a reasonable burn in or using time. They may become very similar to the regular ECC83 valvos regardless of their construction. The glass of the 808 seems to be thicker also - mabe to achieve higher vacuum and longer lifetime out of these expensiver examples. These where also used in laboratory measuring instruments. At least that was where I pulled them out back in the days when Höchst Industries gone down and scraped their old equipment.

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment and giving some cool info :)

@kevins3453 2 ай бұрын

The Valvo ECC83 sounded great... more dimensional. Nice video.

@dicastro394 2 ай бұрын

The valvo sounds more low mids to me. Nice comparison.

@ecc8344 2 ай бұрын

Both tubes are manufactured by Valvo. Ecc808 being rebranded to ITT Lorenz..but was also indeed made in the Hamburg plant :) thank you!

@dicastro394 2 ай бұрын

@@ecc8344 Cool, got It. Same manufacture, but another variantion of ecc83.

@ddzanovski 3 ай бұрын

Nice as per usual! What amp do you use? Is it the same amp for both the clean and gain tones? Regards

@ecc8344 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! Yes ,same amp (Bogner Alchemist) with clean and crunch channel 👍

@Shrebina-kq4cs 3 ай бұрын

No, the Mullards Don't have "slightly more detail and definition". It's the other way around.

@TheMarkingegno 3 ай бұрын

Short plate tube sounds almost always thinner and more sterile than medium and long plate tube version. Compare always tubes with pretty equal height of plate never a long vs short plate!

@ecc8344 3 ай бұрын

The reason why i made comparison is to point out those very differences you just mentioned. Not everyone knows that, therefore you have an example here.

@EpicWinz 3 ай бұрын

Although I think the Philips tubes were winners here, I do like the JJ long plate tubes a lot. The long plate modern tubes are certainly decent sounding. In this test, the JJ had a tighter more defined bass response and good frequency extension. Plenty good enough for most cases, but you are right when you say the vintage tubes sound more '3D'. The 3 dimensional midrange of the Philips was very noticeable and awesome sounding, but at the cost of a less well defined bass response. I'm currently choosing tubes for some Pultec style EQ's for mastering and may well go for either the JJ ECC803S or Sovtek 12AX7LPS purely for their linearity and neutrality. Still, gotta love the old tubes though ❤

@MINUX75 4 ай бұрын

the Tube Sound Comparison is not fair. the ECC83 is direct and the 6N2P is handicaped by several contacts more due to adaptators. Anyway, the 6N2P does the work fine.

@milanmihajlovic8569 4 ай бұрын

I have both and I prefer Tungsram.

@cobar5342 4 ай бұрын

Both are lovely. Thank you

@cobar5342 4 ай бұрын

I like the 6N2P too and the price remains very favourable Thank you for a very good video

@EpicWinz 4 ай бұрын

The JJ sounds smaller and etches the sound in an unpleasant way. I remember trying the JJ 12AU7 in my tube channel strip. It was unusable. NOS FTW!

@EpicWinz 4 ай бұрын

Tungsrams sound richer and more harmonically complex - to my ears anyway 😂

@EpicWinz 4 ай бұрын

Subscribed BTW ❤

@EpicWinz 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I needed to hear what someone thought about the RFT ECC83. Now I know what my options lean towards. Thanks

@ernestporee3697 4 ай бұрын

Interesting ? Never used JJ tubes , I have a selection of vintage tubes that I swap but for new tubes EH is workable . In my Mc240 I can hear whatever changes tubes make. Telefunken is always nice.

@kevins3453 4 ай бұрын

Just recently got more serious about rolling quality, vintage preamp tubes in and out of my guitar amp and just want to say that I have been enjoying the content of your videos. Good stuff! 👍 So far, I'm really liking the Tungsram ECC83, after using a late 50's Baldwin-branded Raytheon Black Plate for the past few months. Both are VERY nice compared to the contemporary tube makes. Next up will be a GE-branded Mullard I63 Blackburn, like the tube you've shown here in this video.

@ecc8344 4 ай бұрын

Awesome man! Enjoy the tube rolling, its sooo much fun. And the reason i've made this channel is to deliver videos i wanted to see myself when I started to tube roll back then. So here you can have some info and comparison clips to see what you can go for :) enjoy!

@ミャン-v5v 4 ай бұрын

うん0が出そう

@turkeeg7644 4 ай бұрын

thank you for your videos ...I have learned much from your vids.

@ferreiraxz 5 ай бұрын

Top ecc83

@sevenhxrecords677 5 ай бұрын

Is the jj sounds good in tube mic?

@ecc8344 4 ай бұрын

Im not sure about that, probably vintage tube would work better :)

@omegahyperes96 5 ай бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ECC83 has a more lush high end??

@ruidedavid4539 6 ай бұрын

Very good explanation! TKS.

@cammontreuil7509 6 ай бұрын

Are they direct replacement ?

@ecc8344 6 ай бұрын

No. Different pinout and only running on 6.3v ..so if you want to use them you first need to verify if you amp heater indeed runs on 6.3. . And you either need to get this adapters that im using or re-wire your tube sockets. When it comes to tube yes.. its pretty much ECC83 with exception that this one has 98% gain when ECC83 has 100%. The gain difference is so small you woudnt even notice :)

@arimarinos4464 6 ай бұрын

Perhaps also do a review of the Special Quality 6Н2П-EB(6N2P-EV) and 6Н2П-EB-OC(6N2P-EV-OC). The latter being the "space-grade" version Edit : I just also watched your 6N6P-EV comparison - Thank you for comparison !

@ecc8344 6 ай бұрын

Hey! I never heard of those OC? Probably very rare :) do you have any?

@arimarinos4464 6 ай бұрын

@@ecc8344 I do ,but I am in South Africa , shipping is expensive minimum $30 for smallest DHL package to Europe or the US , other countries are more

@arimarinos4464 6 ай бұрын

I would sell these @$25/tube

@yaniv-nos-tubes 6 ай бұрын

hi. i tried the genalex b759 and it's good for a modern tube very balanced on my 1974x but nothing compares to vintage tubes.

@CoquillageCrustace 6 ай бұрын

Wow great demo. I like the better separation between instruments with the Voshods, they are a quieter but it doesn't matter really. Please could you tell me where you found your adaptators ?

@ecc8344 6 ай бұрын

Hi there! Thank you! :) i've found them on the eBay .you should find it if you type in ; 6n2 to 12ax7" . Cheers, enjoy :)

@mikebyrne3682 6 ай бұрын

6N2P by far, more dynamic

@Azimut_85 6 ай бұрын

To understand the prices for radio tubes in Ukraine, you can buy 6n2p - 1 $ 6n2p -ev - 5$ ecc83 - 18-25$ Price-quality is in the lead 6n2p-ev.

@soapboxearth2 6 ай бұрын

6n2p are great tubes. I have lots of them and I have lots of valuable mullards etc. There are differences but not ones that reflect the price differences.. I build my guitar amps with a switchable circuit so that they can accommodate either. You'll want to ground pin 9 on the 6n2p. It's a sheild that runs between the triodes. And your heaters are pins 5 and 4. Otherwise they're wired like a ecc83

@Azimut_85 6 ай бұрын

6n2p lamps have many disadvantages. This is a dispersion of characteristics, this is internal noise, this is self-excitation. I have a large number of them, I like to experiment. Want better quality? 6n2p-ev, 6n2p-v, 6n2p-i. Any of these lamps will be 50% better in all respects.

@ecc8344 6 ай бұрын

Yes I even have EV's and they sound great :)

@jassenjj 6 ай бұрын

6Н2П has a very pronounced "airy" sound, very melodic and pleasant. ECC83 has a strong punch, the dynamics sound deeper with your amp. I would prefer the 6Н2П.

@linaivanuta5943 6 ай бұрын

6Н2П for the win💡💥

@Miss_Pixie 6 ай бұрын

Ei sound better to me, and didn’t noticed any microphonics

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