Its like were in a giant game and we must worship the players

if you cant read the text just say so

You will never hear Peterson follow through with a convincing conclusion about the existance of God. Like too many "intellectuals" he's not actually very intelligent. But I'll grant that he's pretty good at masking his meaningless world view with clever sounding doubletalk.

Dr Allmon said absolutely nothing.

This is in fact true. Dr. Michael Heiser says this is true as well… the Bible doesn’t deny the existence of these other gods. We as Christians believe there is only one ultimate superior God that is Lord of lords and King of kings.

Criminally underrated podcast, and this is a particularly criminally underviewed episode. I enjoyed this episode a lot, Secular Rarity is effortlessly enjoyable to listen to. Thanks for sharing your conversation.

I find it so strange how Christianity is so openly mocked, hated, shamed at such a vitriol level when one of the reasons why Jesus Christ's message was so revolutionary was because He said all of humanity is made in the image of God, that everyone has inherit worth, dignity, and deserves universal love, no matter your race, gender, social status. He openly had theistic conversations with women, socialized with societal outcasts, advocated for the poor and needy. In the context of the culture at the time, this was so radical, crazy, and was perceived as an incredible counter culture movement. Its no wonder that many early Christians were women and slaves. Ok so why didn't Jesus just say slavery is bad, end it? Well what is more effective, spreading a message that completely undermined the institution of slavery since everyone is equal and made in the image of God? That planted the seeds that would eventually lead to every anti slavery movement in the world led by radical Christians? Or saying stop slavery when nearly everyone thought Jesus was some crazy guy with a few weird followers that said we are all equal? Why is there so much hate over the message of Christianity but complete silence and worse, defense of Islam? When if you read the Quran and Hadiths, you would understand why child marriage and child rape is so prevalent in the Muslim world, you would understand why women, Jews, and Christians are third class citizens in the Muslim world, you would understand why there is virtually no scientific or societal advancement in the Muslim world, why slavery is still practiced, why female mutilation is practiced, why women are literally viewed as less intelligent with no agency without a man. Read the Quran and Hadiths, specifically Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Know what taqiyyah and jizya is. But all of this doesn't matter because those who hate Christianity have an underlying hate for anything Western, anything Christian, anything White. It's this Far Left Marxist, godless, hopeless, depressed, angry ideology that is a cancer to the West.

Just like Matt won't debate Andrew lol

The best question asked that debate was, if all the people died or disappeared would there still be a God? And Peterson was completely stumped.

Christianity has been toxic since 1 A.D.

Leaving the message helps others that have been deceived

Genuine question: Why is slavery bad? What I mean is, what is our basis for thinking it’s bad in a naturalistic world? Or anything for that matter?

Peterson was destroyed that's way he won't debate you again

You would think a dude that studied the Hebrew Bible would have an ounce of knowledge about the ancient world.. We put people in jail for owing debts, we literally do what they did then.. these leftards have no problem with our modern equivalent of justice.. they have no problem with putting people in cages for owing money.. they have no problem with Palestine wiping out the nation of Israel, but can’t fathom the Israelites had reasons in their society for similar practices. I feel bad for atheists. No critical thinking skills.. Even the “educated” are uneducated on the topics they claim to be educated in. Ridiculously pathetic. Btw a year ago I saw an episode of the line where dr josh didn’t know the Hebrew word for “brother”.. probably not the best guy to cling to as an expert in Hebrew or the Old Testament. Just saying..

wow...peterson is a real idiot

Crime and Punishment bored me to tears. A blatantly unsubtle morality tale wrapped up in Eastern Orthodox sentimentality. Same with the Brothers Kamazarov. These right wing conservatives always flee either to CS Lewis or to Dostoevsky when they need to justify their prejudices, because they find in them their prejudices praised and worshipped like vindicated black idols on the pedestal of elevated literature. And no one dares to contradict them for fear of looking like a fool.

Jordan Peterson doesn’t like to have his ego popped. Like all narcissists, he is extraordinarily fragile. I stopped smoking cold turkey. My mystical experience was to treat everyone like crap for one month, then spend several months apologizing.

Look what Abraham and Sarah did to Hagar she was a child they bought in Egypt

I am and atheist and I quit smoking 26 years ago by just throwing my last pack of Marlboro Lights into the trash can outside a Burger King. And that was that. No supernatural experience or drugs of any kind. Just quit. Peterson is full of shit.

Yes just a beef as per usual with Kippy

Oya Kipper @DrKippDavis and ​​​ @DeepDrinks Listening to you dicussion of Strobel on Deep Drinks. A lot I did not know about it. Not sure if you know this but before he did the movie, he did a Documentary of the same name. Its on KZbin. I don't remember much as I watched it back in 2010, but its on youtube. My memory is that he asked a bunch of softball questions in his interviews

Peterson's argument with Crime and Punishment is so flawed. One example is that he forgets Raskolnikov killed the innocent sister as she showed up on the crime scene.

11:53 Matt, whose god you don’t believe in? You shit on Christianity and Islam, very diplomatically leaving out the root of the evil i.e. Jesus’ daddy in the Old Testament. What? Truth stops not to piss off religious Jews or something? You have much more in common with Peterson than you would like to admit such as intellectual arrogance and lying cowardice. I saw what truth means for religious people and atheists alike.

If Jordan Peterson’s wife had not experienced cancer remission, I suspect he might still be an atheist or agnostic. His beliefs and interpretations often seem to maneuver through intuition. That’s why he frequently ends up making word salad arguments when debating strong atheists like Sam, Matt, or Richard. It’s like a spaghetti twist with sweet and sour sauce-but no cheese.

JP: I would love to explain that, but it would take hours to do it. Or, thats my explanation, that is the best explanation I can give, take it or leave it, that's all you get. I can't do any better. I am done.

😂😂I quit smoking with orange juice and cream of tartar! Takes 10 days!

And the gods became angels. Bhal and the serpent 😂 it's lit

Matt is probably smarter than Jordan but he doesn't have formal degrees. JP realized this halfway thru probably and was out of his league.

Matt obliterated him. Made him look so so bad

I've been watching Jordan Peterson for a long time. I think Jordan came on the stage in this debate already with a predisposition to not respect Matt. I think a large part of the lack of respect comes from Matt not having a formal university education. Jordan felt like he was above Matt intellectually, and when things didn't go Jordan's way he melted down. Jordan acted in a similar way in his debate with Destiny, someone who also doesn't have a formal university education. It's a very shallow way of thinking, and its become a pattern with Jordan. He will come out with a predisposition based on the credentials of the other person. Jordan truly believes he is the great man.

Dillahunty is an angry troll. No wonder Peterson doesn’t want to debate.

Mr. Matt said he is a strange person, he is not strange by the accident he is hypocrit and muslims recognised from the beginning. He is unhonest person and you can see and feel it.

Easy to say “nonsense” without actually proving why it’s “nonsense”. Doesn’t matter if he was high or not, please bring some information to disprove his claims - where is that? By the way משיח (messiah) in Hebrew actually means someone anointed with oil.

My argument is: you dont do the work/research

The magic mushroom argument is very misrepresenting. The study on using them for smoking cessation showed it was weekly doses for a year, administered in cognitive therapy lessons, and mystical experiences weren't a prerequisite just a potential side effect.

The more I analyze the Bible the more it appears to me Paul just showed up out of nowhere and made his own fanfic letters to everyone… and everyone just believed he was somehow inspired/followed Jesus. Idk why he was taken that seriously haha

Athiest since my teens, stopped smoking without mystical intervention. C'mon Peterson, you have lost all credibility with this ststement.

Hilarious book of fiction

I like how you purposefully misread the text to support your own crack theory

Wow, school girl bathroom gossip. Embarrassing

Dr Hillman needs treatment for schizophrenia and substance abuse and Dr Davis is correct. Didn't even watch the vid. Ammon fanboys raging under the line --------------------------------------------------

I get so tired of the demonization of Pentecostals. Why can’t we just believe God still does supernatural things these days?? oh that’s right because we live in a rationalistic scientific secular humanist society. Every time God does a healing or does something supernatural We want to discount it as demonic or something or call it frauds. Though yes there are a lot of frauds and false teachers in Pentecostalism unfortunately because it’s easy for them to hide there. But God also still does these things today and I am proof. I live a life of healing and miracles, signs and wonders and a deep personal relationship to Christ and that’s how everyone should be. If people could experience God, in this way, our whole nation would be Christian. Our whole world would be Christian. But since people don’t see the real thing they run to witchcraft and all this other false religions. So it’s very sad honestly.

Wow... not even 30 sec in and you've convinced me you and your podcast are not worthy of my attention. You're instant attack on Mr. Hillman shows your true colors

"thats kind of like evidence" ... Howd this guy get a phd? Lmao.

Well that was incomprehensible irrelevant garbage

jp would be 10x more credible if he just answered "I'm not sure or i don't know"

Today I learned that 90's Mall Rat is still less credible than Tweaker Head Tattooed Nerd

Long winded Peterson