These guys are so cool and have some of the best drip in the faction. I can't wait to actually find them as a stand-alone box so I don't have to shell out ~$150 for the Kill Team box!
@Saturnasmr1296Күн бұрын
Brother cooked with this one
@VotannVersus40KКүн бұрын
Apologies lads, I ran the math with scouts having a 3+ base save. They actually have a 4+ which means the Yaegirs do indeed kill a squad in melee with 2 tokens and warriors pride
@TJDieter2191Күн бұрын
It is possible I misheard or you did the math correctly regardless - but I think you said the scouts have a 3+ sage. They have 4+. Did you do the math assuming 3+ or 4+ save?
@VotannVersus40KКүн бұрын
Woops I ran the math using a 4+ base save. In that case they definitely kill the squad in melee. Thanks for calling that out!
@TJDieter2191Күн бұрын
@VotannVersus40K its good to know that paying for Warrior Pride means you're pretty likely to pop the CP pinata. I'm not sure that is always worth it, but having that option is good. What units to pick for the initial judgement tokens feels like such an important skill. I'm really curious if our rule will be similar once we get the codex.
@VotannVersus40KКүн бұрын
I really hope they either 1) shift the detachment ability as the main army rule (handing out tokens at the start of the game) or 2) rework the token system and adjust data card bs/ws across the army
@TJDieter2191Күн бұрын
@VotannVersus40K yeah the tokens feel half baked. Maybe if every unit essentially had Long List? Or the Kahl didn't need LOS and/or chose after movement? Glare after movement would be nice too. And why does it give +1 to hit and not +WS/BS? Or reroll hits with all of our sustained guns? Or just do something completely different like you said and have us hit on 3s and 2s.
@AmericanHeronКүн бұрын
I played a 5-game tournament this weekend, and my Yeagirs were really helpful. They almost never saw combat, but being able to sit on the "natural expansion", and do things like Sabotage, containment, recover assets. They're 100% worth it. I may pick up a second set and try they, but like Matt says, having just one will help your game immensely.
@JackRabbit002Күн бұрын
This was a very well fone video and cool run down man!
@Vtuberfan69Күн бұрын
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
@jordanstuckenschneider7101Күн бұрын
Hernkyn! Unholster our means of negotiation a new video has arrived still hot from the forges.
@Jkurtz15Күн бұрын
Would love a deployment video
@yeet0rbeyeetedКүн бұрын
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@daedalus5253Күн бұрын
A yaegir dying can be a big thing since the League loses his/her gene thingimachig (or whatever the name is). Does something similar apply to ironkin? Or are they more easily "replaced"?
@panoskalamakis1501Күн бұрын
According to the Kill Team book, an iron kin stranded alone forever will turn insane. It’s the closest thing an AI can call hell.
@Vtuberfan69Күн бұрын
Ironkin are considered just as important to the League or Kindred they belong as any normal Kin so if one is Lost the rescue missing goes swift especially if there is a danger of being found by the empire also the genes You refer are called cloneskin and they are stored on a League HQ so more than one Kin can have the same clone skin
@reginlief1Күн бұрын
“cloneskeins” are stored in the Votann, and used as templates for kin archetypes that are then slightly modified to create variance between them. A kin dying doesn’t result in any loss of genetic data. Instead, it’s a loss of experiential data. What Kin are encouraged to do is go out and witness/experience things no other kin has before, and then bring that data back to the Votann upon their recycling. When a kin dies, all that data is taken out of the heads and plugged into the Votann, so that they have more and more anecdotal data with which to render the best possible judgements and answers to queries. Even something as mundane as a labour-skein Kin of 52 years attempting to solve a scientific equation while dehydrated could be something the Votann don’t have data for yet. So kin dying where their bodies can’t be collected means that their experiences can’t be taken back to the Votann cores to contribute to the long line of ancestry. This is why being a Hernkyn of any kind is highly respected but also considered very dangerous.
@jessierine39812 күн бұрын
The only thing that brings me joy about this unit was my correct point prediction lmao. Lets hope they eventually get to split up or get some other level of utility Edit: i recind my utility comment. Didn't realize how much they could do just by existing.
@manuelromero34683 күн бұрын
Biggest team event IS GT Talavera, this year 100 teams of 6, 1/2/3 November.
@VotannVersus40K3 күн бұрын
Thanks for letting me know I’ll keep this one on the radar!
@SuperstitiousScientist5 күн бұрын
Any chance we will see a tere idw of this unit since Pariah Nexus had such an impact on Battleline units, as well as actions and assault veing divorced from their 10th edition union? I think that deserved another look Splitting them may not be a bad idea, but if you are having trouble with your units getting annihilated too quickly, taking a full squad of 10 has value, especially since the little guys are just tough enough that they usually soak a whole unit or two of shooting, unless they dedicate a really threatening unit to remove them. To kind of continue on, I feel like a unit of 10 with an attached kahl, medic, theyn, etc provides an annyoingly tough unit if they sit on an objective. Co sidering their OC2, they have to dedicate a not insignificant a.ount of fire to take them out. Im going to do some experimental games with a Grymnir + hearthkin to see if they make a more formidible objective holding unit. Considering the corvs replace any missing bolter shots displaced by heavy weapons, you are talking 10 T6 W1 sv4+ w/6+++ putting out 20 S4 AP0 D1 shots, and then adding in your choice of heavy weapon and Grymnir spychic shooting. They could really benefit from grenades and go to ground, especially when you have the comms (though never count on that coming back). I like them. And I will continue to try to figure out how I can wring out wvery last bit of goodness from them.
@dmwiggy76616 күн бұрын
I love the Sagitaur.
@yanomamo896 күн бұрын
I love Berserks 👍
@dvfendler7 күн бұрын
I get the urge to lead 5 units of warriors with the ironmaster inside a landfort. Using the extra bodies rather than cover to protect the Ironmaster. This will force the opponent to commit more to get rid of the static 3 heal on the landfort.
@erichhohenzollern27510 күн бұрын
Great video
@hobbithubby507612 күн бұрын
Which anti-infantry kill team weapon is he referring to at 3:00? The rotary cannon?
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Yep rotary, just meant the more infantry effective gun, no keyword!
@Patn3412 күн бұрын
I just found your channel as a newer Votann player. Loved this interview, you two should talk more often, you both did great! I'd like to join ur discord, is there a link?
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Thanks Pat that’s very kind of you! There should be a link down in the description of the video, if not, there’s one in the most recently released one 🙂 look forward to seeing you there!
@sebastiendesforges488212 күн бұрын
how can we run 4 sagitaur? we are not limited at 3 unit of each ?
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
You can run up to 6 dedicated transports and 6 battleline each respectively 🙂
@eyohboy45512 күн бұрын
Any lists without sagitaurs?
@ShinySid3Up12 күн бұрын
Joined the discord. Still building my 2K list and these videos are very helpful!
@yeet0rbeyeeted12 күн бұрын
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@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
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@jordanstuckenschneider710113 күн бұрын
I see teams lists and I like.
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Looking forward to covering your next win at dream hack 😉
@hypersloth813913 күн бұрын
For the second list, they have exactly enough transport space across the Sagitaurs and HLFs for all of their infantry. I think the split would be warriors in 3x of the Sagitaurs, one to sticky home, one beserks in a Sagitaur, the other two split one each in the HLFs, with one of the HLFs also bringing along the Ironmaster.
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Could very well be! I found it quite interesting as I’ve recently started exploring berserk’s in a land fort and it’s honestly quite nice being able to reliably contest with two scary pieces
@AaronRoss-rr8qt12 күн бұрын
This is something I want to try, I can't tell you how many times I've found my berserks adding no value because they're blown out of a sagitaur too far away @@VotannVersus40K
@Der_Iago13 күн бұрын
Maybe have another look at the Warmaster Votann lists for single player purposes. Cheers for the vid.
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Thanks I’ll have to look into this one! Can you point me towards it?
@Saturnasmr129613 күн бұрын
Absolutely cocked in for this one
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Rock (hard) and stone!
@Jkurtz1513 күн бұрын
Love the video. Also definitely join the discord. Lots of good discussion and great people there
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
Thanks pulp! Super proud of our growing community
@Kalemvir113 күн бұрын
He he, first comment. New vid! New list! Lets go!
@VotannVersus40K12 күн бұрын
🚨new vid 🚨!!
@reginlief114 күн бұрын
Question for the maths, why is a 4+ save on your chart not just an automatic fail for plasma guns? Aka 8.33 successful wounds?
@ThePaintmarine17 күн бұрын
Getting ready to take Votann to Nova GT... have yet to play them and after hearing this a bit nervous... I have no Beserks and 15 Hearthgurad, 6 Bikes, 4 Sags, 1 Herk, 1 Kahl, 2 Champs, 10 Yaegir, 6 Thyndr, and 20 Warriors. Did my best to build an Votann Swiss Army Plasma Knife. Feeling like I need more bikes and or some Beserks but dont have the time or money to get them ready in time.
@valaquenta22020 күн бұрын
What's better if you have the points in your opinion : 6 thunderkyn or one hekaton fortress?
@VotannVersus40K20 күн бұрын
Depends on the list but imo thunderkyn are not a competitive unit at this time. Unfortunate because they are beautiful
@valaquenta22020 күн бұрын
@@VotannVersus40K Really? Interesting, thank you.
@dvfendler21 күн бұрын
I think that if the land fort had its troop capacity increased to 14, we would see a lot more ironmasters. A 3-man thunderkyn plus an ironmanster would make a lot of sense in a landfort.
@nicogambuto22 күн бұрын
Hey there, I've been following you for a while as I play Votann as well. Great content. I saw the tournament's name Frere de Bataille and recognized it. Are you around the Ottawa/Gatineau area? Feel free to PM me if you prefer.
@TJDieter219126 күн бұрын
Hey, I just wanted to share a resource that might help you with all your math hammer. I didn't make this sheet, I just filled it out with votann statelines. It also gives a pretty interested stat - points spent per point killed. Basically the point efficiency of the output on the units. Hope this helps! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZMskFCgzhTTgok1bD_yGytkFsV4_wkUj1dGlKpEs224/edit?usp=drivesdk
@Saturnasmr129626 күн бұрын
The brother ironmaster what a unit
@AmericanHeron28 күн бұрын
Cool to see my jump-pack Hearthkin @ 4:45!
@VotannVersus40K28 күн бұрын
Well earned!
@Bobross3216028 күн бұрын
What does "Uppy, Downy" mean?
@seriousink28 күн бұрын
It's shorthand for rules that allow you to pick your models up off the table and put them back down later, usually using Deep Strike. Things like Hypercrypt Necrons, Grey Knights, Warp Talons, and winged daemon princes all have "uppy, downy" rules.
@Seijik470214 күн бұрын
Aka the bikes ability. Or Grey Knight teleport.
@MrNobody036929 күн бұрын
Idk why and it annoyed me but it only alerts me to like 1/5th of your videos.
@VotannVersus40K23 күн бұрын
Hmm that’s very strange thanks for letting me know. I put automatic alerts in our discord as well for backups
@BaronGunnz0129 күн бұрын
Thanks for another great video!! And I absolutely love these videos. Jake I believe it was from tabletop tactics gave you a shout out on one of their live streams a few days ago saying he wanted to be on the channel! Keep up the work for the fellow Kin!!!
@VotannVersus40K29 күн бұрын
Thanks Baron, I would love to have Jake on! I know that GT win is right around the corner!!
@xxalsinusxx203829 күн бұрын
I love the insight here! The Berserks having those tactical Plasma Axes is cool to see. I almost went with them, but in my local scene, 3W models are really prevalent so i chose hammers for the consistency there. If hordes get more popular I'll need to get some axe units for sure though.
@eyohboy45529 күн бұрын
One of each 2x5 seems like a bet
@VotannVersus40K29 күн бұрын
Yeah the 3d was always my go to but it’s pretty interesting to see axes hit on 2a when judged!
@VotannVersus40K29 күн бұрын
Yep looks like they are back on the menu!
@frontline98929 күн бұрын
Is there somewhere we can view the list?
@VotannVersus40K29 күн бұрын
List should be in the description near the channel membership link and in the discord 🙂
@KinMusicUK28 күн бұрын
@@VotannVersus40K I've tried the link and tried looking through the discord and just cannot find this list anywhere
@VotannVersus40K28 күн бұрын
It is in the video description directly under the become a member link, it is labeled as List: with a pastebin link to view it!
@magnetic_heart29 күн бұрын
Is there a visual of the bow tie deployment they were talking about w the Yaegirs? I’m trying to get better but still learning a lot of terms.
@xxalsinusxx203829 күн бұрын
It means you take 8 of the models and put them in a straight line 2" apart from each other and put the last 2 on the end to make triangles. This is because with 7 or more models in a unit you need to be within 2" of 2 models to be in unit coherence. They end up making a sort of bow tie shape in the end because of this.
@magnetic_heart29 күн бұрын
@@xxalsinusxx2038 ty! I figured it was something like that but I've been wrong before a lot!
@poeskeyАй бұрын
I am a Votann player and newish to 40k, nids were my first army hated them and picked up votann combat patrol box and I now have i think just under 3k points of models. I havent lost a match yet among my friends, even coming back from a 30 point deficit turn 1 after losing over half my army. I beat a 2k space marines army with less than 1k points of votann. They are super fun and really good, I cant wait to see what the codex brings us. Also when I built my bikes i accidently put the hover wheel, that links to the base, on backwards and had to hard glue them to the base. I also have 3 more bikes from my second combat patrol box that i refuse to build because i dislike them. I did magnetize my entire patrol box and kinda regretted it. I have it setup as wysiwyg as far as what you need to actually swap out.
@poeskeyАй бұрын
we play a lot of doubles as well. IDK if thats what team events are, I am assuming its more like how starcraft did team events, but we have a lot of fun doing that.
@VotannVersus40KАй бұрын
Love Votann as well, just a very nice humble army that plays clean game. Team events in this instance refers to 8 players with 8 respective armies playing 8 unique games per “round” at an event. The scores of each team member are then added together to get a total VP We discuss the format in a little more detail in the first quarter of the video if you want a bigger breakdown!
@OverlordZephyrosАй бұрын
I honestly hate this model for some reason, maybe its his looks but thats just me
@eyohboy455Ай бұрын
20 are autoinclude
@eyohboy455Ай бұрын
Conversion beamers ftw!
@eyohboy455Ай бұрын
Ion beamers dont require stratagem to boost their output and do and average of almost 8 dmg into a hekaton equivalent. Also they are a better overwatch into stuff like 8bound and also better dmg into t12 vehicles.