Hey man, I just found your channel tonight & posted on another video. I know I am late but I am sorry about your friend's passing. I lost a close friend in August of last year & sometimes it really gets to me.

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Great piece Especially the Cruze story Thanks much

Honestly, the only time I felt pure sadness during the time I was reading the Horus Heresy novels was when Corvus, not wanting to put it on any of his other son, walks into each corrupted warp astartes' room & while they mumbled out for him & cried... he killed them by hugging them/choking them so they wouldn't have to suffer no more. Reading that book legit turned me into a die hard Ravenguard player.

On Deathrow: I don't see Alpharius struggling against a space marine...

Head of the Hydra is one of my favorite books as well and honestly, I really hope they didn't waste the amazingly cunning character that the OG Alpharius who invented the Custodian Blood Games & Malcador helped teach by killing him off & leaving the 20th with Omegon. I hope & believe they swapped identities when Omegon was found & only at the end of the book when Alpharius (going by Omegon) heard of Omegon (going by Alpharius) being killed by Dorn & immediatly he was being called by Horus to answer... he knew he couldn't use the Omegon identity anymore.. that layer of obscuration was removed when Omegon died... He has to own up & answer the call as his true born self. Alpharius.

Primarch Sigmar is in a pocket dimension & Primarch Alexus Jonus was sent back in time 28,000 years in the past & now has a show in which he speaks about stuff he experienced in 30k.

I very much see the return of the emperor soon, I think there was some stuff about the star child recently. I think the book described the child as young but with thousands of years full of knowledge, but take that with a grain of salt as I maybe heard it from some odd end video, but most likely something big in the setting is definitely about to happen (took em long enough)

but then doesnt it just prove curzes point that future is inevitable and his death will be meaningless?

The yellow King 's army is still 3-4 years away at least , in my opinion. I think GW simply did a huge mistake with the SG. They didn't expect for them to turn out like they did and then it was too late to start from scratch again.... Yellow King's Angels will be a thing in late 11 th edition if not the 12th....Many years of lost SG sales....

Said it before and will say it again: The losses of Magnus and Sanginius were the two greatest tragedies of the Heresy. By a huge, HUGE margin! Every other loss (as always, excluding the Emperor himself) whether primarch, knowledge, legion, ANYTHING, is so insignificant next to these two individuals and the impact their lives could or would have had on the imperium post-heresy as to be completely forgotten or ignored!

Yeah the ending with Horus and the emperor that was horrible

I still think Majorkills Samurai Primearch with Lightning powers should be canon. An honorable warrior with a respectful rivalry with Lemun Russ. The other fan made Primearch was a psychotic Hunter, Spider-man's Kraven. I know it's a big part of the lore to hide them, but i really want the first to be canon.

Well, say whatever you want, from the story perspective I believe the chink in the armor is better. Does not matter if it is a coping mechanism or in lore propaganda or not, it simply is better because not only it makes the death more meaningful it also helps the theme of fate, things being woven into each other and that is just a better story. I think such cause and effect elements are almost always better in stories, especially in stories such as this.

"Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." - Last words of Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves

The lore on the new dreadnought has been revised they no longer burn out the marine.

Great vid, I love that the old lore propaganda of Sangy’s sacrifice still lives on in lore and in our world. Again it shows that faith is a good weapon even if it’s rooted in lies!

As much as I hate the loyalist lore circle jerk love my boy Sanguinius.

Wow all the Sanguinius haters really rallied to this video. That's crazy. You can love more than 1 Primarch y'all lmao

This isn’t the chaos gods oh the power is but this is all Horus . The pettiness the sneering resentment the raging insecurity in this we see that despite Horus professed love for Sanguinus that to was a lie mired in jealousy. I believe it started way back when Sanguinus was under Horus wing on the vengeful spirit the charm the courage the compassion the grace Horus noticed how even his own sons l loved and admired him hell even Abbadon was besotted by him . This where I believe it started and what made it worse the most savage cut was that Horus knew in his heart that Sanguinus loved and respected him .He knew that his hidden hatred of sanguinus was a coping mechanism for his own self hatred and that was unforgivable. Sanguinus had even taken his hate from him ..I don’t think this was chaos corruption I think this that Sanguinus humiliated and broken was the price that Horus demanded of the chaos gods Even then Sanguinus couldn’t even give him that .By forcing him to kill Sanguinus he denied Horus the grand gesture of forgiveness for all Sanguinus perceived crimes against him. Bloody hell did I just try and psychoanalyse made up space gods sorry I must still be drunk lol

Sanguinius died for us all!

6:39 It was today I learned Jack Black did a background cameo on the artwork for Unremembered Empire.

I’m watching the Emperor kill Horus after this. This makes my blood rage

Here’s why they retconnned it - either they did it to make his death not matter so his sons get the black rage from that worthless psychic death - if he died Nobly then maybe it lessens their rage or his rage and they are more like….well it was worth it in the end and he thought his death was worth it so no giant psychic shockwaves or anger.

Your friend sounds really fun wooooow :/

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Old warhammer is warhammer, it’s the thing that got GW to this point and it is better. New Warhammer is simply wearing a skin suit. I was looking forward to the end and the death however it was disappointing considering it was covering one of the most climactic moments within warhammer.

Personally, I think Sanguinius was stupid, and selfish. He was a pretty boy, who was really a vicious, genocidal maniac, like his creator, hiding behind a veneer of respectability and charisma. He marched off to be killed by Horus, when there was nothing forcing him to do so. He made no attempt to change things, and was seemingly too stupid to know that the future is fluid, and he could only see a certain amount of them, like his creator. If he saw his death, he should've also seen what his short-sighted, useless martyrdom would do to his legion, cursing them, forever. They can thank him for the Black Rage, just as they can thank the Corpse Emperor for the Red Thirst. Konrad Curze was just as dumb, literally sitting there and letting a nobody kill him, just to prove a point. Doc Brown from Back to the Future was smarter than Sanguinius. When he saw himself gunned down in the future, he bought a ballistic vest. Also, as far as I know, Sanguinius' essence was not destroyed; it's imprisoned onboard the Vengeful Sprit, trapped by the Warp.

The way I see it Sanguinius whooped regular Horus, and only lost when he was fighting 4 Chaos Gods through him. This “new lore” just solidifies the Angel as the ultimate GOAT of all the Emperor’s Sons. It took the greatest evil powers of the entire 40k universe simultaneously juicing a brother Primarch to finally put Sanguinius down…it literally took a being who was 4x stronger than the Emperor himself to beat him.

Anyone who legit hates Sanguinius can't be trusted

Which audio book did you listen to this from?

Nar, don't agree, less is more. But I still really liked your video, thank you.

"Perhaps *Magnus* was physically stronger" Excuse you? Que?! the NERD?! physically stronger than the dude who looks like takes dips on the sun for shit and gigles?

Man I NEED a copy of the black books...why are they out of print? Its no fair

Anyone who has read the Horus Heresy knows that the new stuff is ten thousand times darker than the old stuff. It makes classic 40k look like a screwball comedy. Ten thousand times darker, forty thousand times grimmer. It isn’t even worth comparing. Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau and I talked it over and we are in agreement.

So Horus Reached through the warp to grab Sanguinius's ankle? or did i miss understand that bit?

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Though there might be a chance Sanginius may return when the shards are all formed, I'm more curious about how they will bring back Horus, but what are your thoughts on Horus possible return? I know there are people that don't want him to return, but there are discussions that his return may be great and necessary because it would be an awesome redemption arc. While literally everyone and everything is against him, he would try his soul-crushing best to make things right and return to his father. I think it would be great that if he returns, he would have the same small, weak, skrawny body that he had in his youth.

40k used to be just a setting for a wargame. It then got turned into a “media property”. What works for one won’t necessarily work for the other. I feel like it’s a better “IP” now but a worse wargame setting due to being less wide open and more nailed down.

My head canon regarding Sanguinius' death has always been that he did in fact make some chink in Horus' armor, though mostly psychologically. I was always hoping in his last moments that Sanguinius would possibly fall to something preceeding the Black Rage in utter, human, desperation. He had exhibited these conditions multiple times prior during the Horus Heresy (e.g. Ruinstorm). After Horus still very easily kills him, Horus begins to question his own motives and that of the Emperor (i.e. "What did my father do to create us?") - a metaphysical crack in his own armor forming. Thus would his battle against Big E be more about him questioning the Chaos gods and the nature of his own existence too. Horus may even have redeemed himself in his last moments as well. I was disappointed that something like the above was not explored and personally found the more straightforward fight between Horus and Sangy to not answer my own personal questions. I think a lot of folks feel the same, as you mentioned. Great video as always :)

As a 25+ year Blood Angel fan, I can tell you there is no better irony and writing than what we got here. It clearly shows the Angel, massively wounded and exhausted, absolutely wrecked Non-Juice Horus. Destroys his armor and goes for killing blow. Then Horus’s ultimate trickery surfaces and just like how the Emperor “healed” and repaired those around him when he shed the Dark King aura, Horus’ life bar essentially fills back up for round 2. Except that now he is godlike and surpasses even the Emperor in power. Sanguinius had no chance and still showed Horus just how good he still was. The imperial propaganda part makes perfect sense and makes me laugh a little. How fitting.

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Dante talks to Sanguinius's soul in Devastation of Bal. I doubt GW is going bring him back unless they're really desperate but his soul is still in the warp it's most likely fragmented due to dying in place that has a high concentration of chaos. If anything Horus and Sanguinius are in similar circumstances, their souls fragmented so it's hard to fully bring them back. But I'd say it's probably easier to bring Sangy back due to less of his being tied to chaos

30 plus years and I still wasn't ready for that fight.

Sanguinis literally cemented his "HIM" status when he defeated a titan, gave the most epic speech ever, held the enternity gate, killed Angron multiple times in their engagement, ripped out his butcher nails, and then demanded he be teleported to the vengeful spirit. Even chaos Horus was like " Yeah this guy easily is the strongest. Gotta get rid of him Asap" Sanguinis and the blood angels are the goats and I dont even main them