More like a recruiting bum

Ok, you're gonna make me rehash this. I'm starting a new reply so everyone can read these notes. First off, we are tied for 4th in a 10 year span for ACC wins and that was with Louisville. Not 3rd as mentioned. One more win than VT and 2 more than UNC. HOWEVER, since this was a 12 year grade and I think you look at a mans' entire tenure, State falls to 8th. EIGHTH! That is 2 behind Louisville, who didn't even play in the ACC in 2013(DD first year) and only 1 win above GT. Although DD went 0-8 in acc that first year anyways, our first winless ACC season since 1959. Second, you say he has raised the ceiling and the floor, has he? His 12 yr acc record is 47-51. his 10 yr is 44-38. So the 10 year equates to about a 4.5 wins in acc and you say we now should win 8-9 every year. So padding with 3-4 cupcakes is reason for bumping to a B? Even those cupcake wins are suspect as we saw this year. Even those he can't win significantly. I don't really bet over/unders but I do follow them and I would wager serious money he hasn't covered more than 25% of the overs in all his games. Statistically that shouldn't happen over 150+ games. He can't put his foot on the gas as Kenton said. Third, I agree he does more with less, when it comes to player development, but he does less with more when you look at results on the field. For as many players we have put in the NFL, what has he done with them. 6-6 against Wake, 1-3 against Duke, 3-3 against ECU. I think most everyone here would agree we should be better than all three of those teams in general with the talent we usually have. 2021 should have been our best year and he blew that with bad coaching. The utter shambles at Miss St. Letting Miami Van Dyke march up and down at will playing what looked like prevent the 2nd half. And the creme-de-la-creme loss at Wake were we racked up a gazillion game killing penalties. All the teams above us have replaced their coaches except Dabo of course. I love listening to you both everyday but I think you got a hold of some wacky weed when you decided to give him a B. He's great at taking 2-3 star players and coaching them up, but his game plans are horrendous. Other than the 2021 Clemson win and 2017 FSU win, where are the big time wins? Possibly the 2017 win over Lamar Jackson. He's 7-26 against top 25. Granted the 2021 win over UNC, 2-TD by EE in the last 1:30 was by far the most exciting. I think the comment that Kenton has been making says it all, when you expect the least you get the best and when you expect greatness we are only let down. That is no way to run a program. I see us at 5-7 next year and sadly the Tarheels got rid of their biggest stumbling block(Mack) and get us this year. Hopefully then Boo pulls the trigger. A "C" at best. No better until he at least gets a 10-win season. There are only three teams that haven't gotten 10 wins since DD got here, State, BC and UVA(not including the three new teams, although SMU did this year as well). And only four that haven't made a championship game appearance; State, BC, Syracuse and UVA. SMU made it year one, seriously? Is this the company we want to be keeping?? C, say it with me Grayson, C.😆 I took the liberty of compiling the stats on a google sheet and posted it here for anyone who wants to see. Hopefully it works. The funny thing looking at these on one sheet is looking at FSU. In the 12-yr they are 8th place but the 10-yr they are 2nd, simply because those 2 in between years they went 8-0 each year. Although that still includes 2024 when they were 1-7. Talk about boom or bust! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v966gt6S9OVbvCFhackDIGSsiqjAv1_U/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=101773440943898043606&rtpof=true&sd=true

We should have no problem with motivation after losing to ECU in the bowl game

Can we play the hypothetical what if game? IF coach Keatts is let go next year, and it was up to you to make the hire. Who would be your top 4 phone calls to offer interviews? Just a hypothetical discussion. Go Pack.

B??? Im not even going to rehash DD stats cause you two know them all as well. I would expect that from the broadcast crew who are PAID by NC State. Are you two part of the Deep (NC) State?? Your credibility took a hit today.

Doeren is as solid of a coach as there is. You idiots are just going have to accept it

Thanks for the Lady Pack segment, gentleman! Betting Grayson got heart-palpitation-nervous about almost having to eat that entire shoe!

You guys are way too generous with your grades! I wish you were my professors at State! C is average and that is what we are.... average. Losing records in the conference, bowl games and games vs top 25 teams. We should finish each season in the top 25. That's a reasonable expectation. But I feel now with NIL and much deeper pockets elsewhere, we will become a developmental team for wealthier programs. Dave had his chance and he just couldn't do it. Seems we've kept the wrong coach and let the right ones leave....Drink, Diaz, cignetti to name a few. Mediocre at best with infrequent flashes of potential greatness.

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Coaches grade us a C ....A what are they smoking....hes a A as a program guy...winner....meh no.

I'm giving Doeren the benefit of the doubt.

If the pups are good enough let them hunt.

Good morning guys! 👋

Congrats to #6 Men's Wrestling for picking up the huge road win at UNC last night. I am hoping for the boys to make a Final Four run this year. We looked really stacked. Go Wolfpack!

Thanks for answering my Fan Friday question. I agree with you. When expectations are low or there are no expectations, Dave's squads usually have a big year. But I will wait until the spring game, as Kenton recommended, to get your evaluation of the team at that time.

Hey Grayson, tell Kenton to point me in the direction of the nearest vomitorium because those 12th year head coaching grades were sickening. LOL. If Dabo Swinney and Dave Doeren both rate an "A" plus or minus, I want CF Budge teaching my project manager courses, because that's a guaranteed easy "A." LOL. Dude, they are not playing on the same field when it comes to coaching achievements. One has ACC and National titles. One has neither, can't get a 10-win season to save his life, and consistently hovers around 7 wins per season.

Happily in shock that Dave Doeren's recruiting class is turning out to be one of his best despite the fact that we just came off a down year. I feared the wheels coming off the bus after the debacle to ECU. To the contrary, I think that with a few more bigtime pieces from the transfer portal later this spring, we could actually become a top 30 class when final rankings are laid out???

I see CJ developing and doing better. I see him connecting with Noah Rogers, Hollywood Smothers and everyone else. It is more about having dynamic coaching to match the talent level.

Spike Sowels has a chance to play as a true freshman. The offensive line was autrocious at best last year. Grading Doeren at a B-. No ACC title game in 12 years because of Clemson and Florida State and an overall losing ACC resord. UNC has a couple of appearances in the title game because they were in the JV division of the conference. They are no better, just get all the pub.

Call me crazy but I truly believe that next year could be special. Combine this recruiting class that filled a lot of gaps with our receiving core and CJ... I really think NC State has the possibility to make next year be what this year could have been. I'm so excited to see guys like Isaac, Colby, Groves, Dixon, Sensabaugh etc... If this team is coached the way they should be we could end up in the rankings by week 3 or 4.

stars don't mean spit when you don't have the coaching

The connection between CJ and the pass catchers is easily the thing that I am most excited about regarding next year’s team. The growth in their talent both individually and as a group, and bond and connection should be really fun to see. If the OL gives CJ the help he needs, they could be dangerous.

The only reasoning I can think about that “grading” is that maybe he automatically gave all of those coaches an A just for making it to 12 years and then separated them at that level? Idk, just a thought. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I honestly believe Spike , has, the talent and athletic ability to be a factor, immediately!!

Coach DD, respectfully is B, respectfully!!!!

Playing on the offensive line as a freshmen i know personally its not easy to do, but i also know my son. He is going to do everything he can to compete and play. Thats all you can ask for. Everything is earned, nothing is given.

Let’s don’t break on LR!

Great job guys ! As always, go to H Carolina

What are things looking like with the Ohio TE?

Concerning NC State's Women's Basketball all I have to say is, the strength of the WOLF is in the pack, and the strength of the PACK is in the wolf. WOLFPACK! Let go, ladies! All the way! Seriously, to see the growth of the interior players from three months ago to now, I am blown away. With Collier, Awou, and Tryggar now scoring and rebounding with consistency, it makes things even easier for our six or seven (can't remember) 5-star guards.

Concerning NC State Men's basketball all I have to say is, who let Badluck Sleprock into the Lenovo Center? LOL😃

Would it be possible for the ACC to swoop up a lot of big name teams and combine say the Big East and maybe one other conference and create a mega conference and change the name? Its only a matter of time before we have mega conferences, look at the Big 10 which is now the Big 18. I envision and predict that once we have our mega conferences they will be geographically based which increases the value of a rivalary. Take Texas for example leaving to go to the SEC, what once was a big time rivalary game between Texas and Oklahoma now just feels like another game between two good schools. Do you think it would be possible for the ACC to jump the gun and create this mega conference with some other Division 1 conferences and teams to create this East Coast giant conference?

Why does it seem that only ACC basketball coaches are quitting due to the portal and NIL

You are not correct about the Big12 being the only one who would want NC State. As choices become slimmer for the mega conferences, the qualifications go down. If you are talking about the last round of re-alignment you are correct, but the next two rounds you are incorrect.

PLEASE RE-ALIGN US. 28 free throws to 7 vs. Duke is just a re-ocurring theme anytime we play a blue team. Get us out of the ACC

Regarding Keatts and post-F4, go look at history. What happened to NC State basketball in '84? Not only did the NCAA expand the tournament, but NC State was home when it started. This was followed by an '85 Elite-8 run.

NC State is at a crossroads. Rumors continue to fly about new academic programs and expanded research. The growth is expected to continue. They have the land, location, and visibility. A decision on the next chancellor could supercharge that trajectory or blunt it. We need one that wants to invest in the "front porch" of the university. Get the right one, we might see NC State an AAU institution with football and MBB breaking through with high level consistency to match many of our other sports.

Love Keatts, but I honestly don't believe he will ever get the backing to make that jump consistently. I actually think he's done pretty well, considering the roster hits he takes every year that make his teams look like they are configured to compete in the Big South. I think if he got backing like DD got in football last off-season, I really think State could be in the top part of the league.

Great job guys, admit it, we are a women's basketball school, they are fun to watch and they win

What about the COVID season noter dame would not have a season

I’m pretty sure the Women’s Basketball team are our only hope for some postseason action. And that kills me to say. Like with football, I expected some drop-off with men’s basketball this year, but I never imagined it would be this bad. I thought we had enough guys from last year returning that they would give the new guys continuity and leadership, and Ben is the only one who looks like he’s made any improvement. MOC’s gotten worse, Jayden Taylor is stagnant, poor Breon can’t get on the court for some unknown reason, and DPJ is good but only in flashes. Then we have B2H who looks like he forgot almost everything he knew about basketball somewhere on his trip from Louisville to Raleigh. Our best player is a 6’4 guard who, understandably, can’t rebound worth a damn, and EVERYONE sucks at free throws. (Seriously, I’ve never seen this many college guards all be this bad at free throws.) It’s one giant clusterf***. Honestly, 9-11 seems like an overachievement thus far. Okay, rant over. 😅

Expectations bring pressure but also can heighten effort to live up to it. Nobody likes not living up to what's expected of you.

Personally, I’m glad that the schedule is back loaded. Gives us a chance to figure it out early and hopefully have our offense clicking by midseason. Weapons should be good and our OL always picks it up late, IMO.

From a strictly football standpoint having ND in the ACC strenthens the conference and could guarantee the ACC 2 CFP teams season after season.

The ACC needs Clemson and FSU.

Good evening guys! 👋