You wouldnt be able to release the Guide Mode in you were free hanging. Why didnt you use the foot Loop for that?
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
The foot loop will work for that no-problem. I find that if the terrain is featured or low-angle it is often easier to transition into ascent or descent without using the foot loop. If the terrain does not require it I generally do not step in the loop to ascend either (I will put my feet on features on the wall and "climb" while I take slack in through the device). Personal preference on this, but most guides I work with will do the same if the foot loop is not required.
@bmint2 күн бұрын
Did you make a video showing how to get these unwrap?? 10 times over.. I personally never use these wraps and when my ground guy does this.. I don’t judge..
@fuzzybee37888 күн бұрын
So many cams and so little passive pro. Unless you're climbing in Indian Creek I don't see the point in spending so much money on a first rack. I place passive pro maybe 75% of the time, and would be perfectly happy with a good anchor made of passive protection. (Caveat: I am British)
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Thanks for the comment @fuzzybee3788! Likely there is a bit of a cultural and generational preference on this one. When I first started trad climbing I had a fair amount of passive pro as well- mostly because the cost was much lower and I bought it used from a friend. It did work fine for me on lower-angle cracks, but it was slow and difficult to place on steeper terrain (as a beginner especially) and resulted in some pretty questionable placements and some pretty terrifying leads. Certainly that happens with cams as well, but generally I find they are faster to place and they are easier for beginners to get good placements that will hold in a fall even if they aren't perfect (especially here in the States where we have lots of parallel cracks in our popular trad destinations). For beginner climbers, in particular, accidents are common, and many want to reduce the probability of having an accident even if it costs a chunk more for their first rack. But not everyone has that kind of money to spend! I know I didn't. No right or wrong on this one!
@htliu46528 күн бұрын
Thanks for the super informative video on rope management!
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
@htliu4652 thanks for the positive feedback!
@sergeantcrow9 күн бұрын
Excellent... Thank you.. 😀
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Thanks for your support as always @seareantcrow!
@VicenteBella-l1f9 күн бұрын
Great video! Which sleeping bag are you using? What's the compressor sack capacity?
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Hi there @VicenteBella-l1f ! Thanks for watching. That is a mountain hardwear Phantom -18C/0F sleeping bag. The compression sack is a Sea To Summit Evac Compression Dry Bag UL. I think it's a 13L. Hope that helps!
@rangertommy11 күн бұрын
At the 2:46 mark, I'd suggest clipping the 'biners into the bolts underneath the chains, rather than on top of them.
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
@rangertommy, thanks for the suggestion. In many cases I prefer to clip the bolt hangers over the top of the chains as long as this does not result in any leverage on the carabiners. The reason I often opt for this is because it makes the anchor very easy to clean. When the carabiners are clipped under the chains it can be difficult to remove them after you have threaded your lower or rappel. One time I will clip under is if anchors are flat on a slab at the top of a route, and the carabiners might be levered inside the bolt hangers resulting in possible damage to the carabiners. This is a special case, and is not present in this scenario.
@rangertommyКүн бұрын
@@skillsforclimbing Great explanation of the exceptions!
@sergeantcrow12 күн бұрын
Excellent !
@danieldominiak64721 күн бұрын
Thanks
@aviduke22 күн бұрын
I never knew atc guide could be used like this. Great information
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
@aviduke thanks for the positive comments!
@JaiycoveryАй бұрын
Which water bladers do you use, do you maybe have a link from them or brand name?
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
@jaiycovery I like Hydrapak products. Some of the bottles shown in this video are no longer produced, but they have similar products available.
@voyageroftimeАй бұрын
next time try to actually show footage of the loop you did lol
@nb6011Ай бұрын
Im not sure I understand the advantage of using this technique. If the end of the rope you have to pull to undo the knot has to be as long as the end of the rope you're repelling on then why wouldn't you just pass the rope around the rock then repel on both ends of rope then pull the rope from around the rock when at the bottom? Seems unnecessarily dangerous unless there's a specific situation to use this than I'm missing. Is it just speed? Not having to uncoil all of the rope maybe?
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
@nb6011 great question! In some cases it is not possible to pull the rope back down to you after wrapping it around a large featured boulder like this one since the rope falls into a constriction near the base of the boulder (where it is in contact with the ground or other rocks) and becomes trapped. The harder you pull, the worse it gets. And sometimes the friction of pulling 30m around a rock like this is very high, making it remarkably difficult to retrieve your rope. In other cases there is loose rock present and pulling 30 meters of rope through it can result in rockfall that can injure you and your partner. Rockfall is certainly possible with the technique shown in the video as well, but you are only pulling a few feet of rope from around the feature, and often the bite of rope that comes free "jumps" over low angle terrain when the rope is pulled which reduces the liklihood of causing rockfall. This technique is used primarily in remote alpine settings or canyons and is seldom used in well traveled rock climbing areas.
@ricklees5953Ай бұрын
Thanks for making these videos! They are through and clear, and you've even taken the time to give extremely thoughtful responses in the comments. I'm sure the time you put into these is significant, but it produced something really, really helpful!
@TondadrdАй бұрын
Watching this in disbelieve "Why the hell would you do that! No advantages! You can die stupidly!" until 5:58, where it is finally explained. Not worth it for me.
@ajtheengineer4121Ай бұрын
3:45 - 4:20 I didn’t quite understand the example around why doesn’t the parallel technique isn’t safe for traverses? Specifically, I don’t understand how a climber could rake the other climber if they fall. If I am leading a traverse, wouldn’t I want to place pieces along the traverse so that climbers won’t swing as much? And if I place pieces along a traverse and instruct both followers do a staggered start, and that there should be at least one piece between the first follower and the second follower (on a wandering/traversy pitch), would parallel be as safe as caterpillar?
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
That's a great question @ajtheengineer4121! If a pitch has short sections of traversing (like 30ft or so) I will often use the exact technique you mentioned (sometimes called "parapillar"). I will use parallel technique and instruct one follower to wait on the other side of a piece of protection while the other follower completes the traverse. On pitches with significant traverses (or if the entire pitch is a traverse) I will use the technique shown. This is because of a few problems that have to do with the chaos of what ropes (and followers) will do on a traversing pitch. Ropes in parallel often twist around one-another. This can be from poor rope management, or from followers twisting the ropes as they clip past protection. But it is just as likely to be a result of one rope being a bit more slack than the other, so it spins around the more taught rope. Imagine you and I are following a pitch. You are half-way through the traverse, and I am going through a crux on a vertical section before reaching the traverse. If I fall, and my rope is wrapped around yours, I will pull you off the pitch. Even if this doesn't happen, it is common for the last follower's rope to get in the way of the climbing of the first follower. Imagine if my rope was near your feet while you are doing a precarious traverse, and my rope is going slack then taught as the belayer takes-in slack. This is why parallel technique is usually avoided on significant traverses unless the time it would take to use caterpillar could impact safety (for example if you are on a route with many traversing pitches and you are trying to outrun weather).
@brouklisgooglis66892 ай бұрын
Can it be used also with climbing rope???
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Yep. This is a climbing rope in the video.
@brouklisgooglis668912 сағат бұрын
@skillsforclimbing thank you
@TenonsTenors2 ай бұрын
Great vid! What's the knot you're using in the middle of your tether? It's not an alpine butterfly...is it a flying bowline?
@TenonsTenors2 ай бұрын
Forget it! Just realized you told us at the beginning what it was. Thanks!
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Just an overhand on a bite!
@globaleyes8402 ай бұрын
Great video..! I am ready to summit K2 now.😎
@vex90602 ай бұрын
The brake stand of the munter is more suitable to be on the other side of the gate, preventing friction with the screw lock. Thanks for the video.
@reneeschke3 ай бұрын
I want to point out that the 7 loops are absolutely NOT considered redundant. Not at all. When you start practicing this technique, you (hopefully...) quickly realize that your life essentially hangs on the very last loop. As soon as this last loop is released, the "redundant loops" are so tiny and almost pulled out already themselves, that they most likely won't hold your weight for very long. Especially when you give them a tug. I would still tie 5 to 7 loops to identfiy flaws in your pattern and keeping the entire thing "nice and tidy" But please do not call that redundancy
@drytool3 ай бұрын
Smooth and simple. Thank you.
@nickmccardel90323 ай бұрын
This video is very helpful still trying to learn how to properly layer for mountaineering and this video covers everything in detail. Thank you
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Thanks for the positive comment!
@lennmusicman3 ай бұрын
What is the benefit of this technique as opposed to just ging down two strands of the rope? Like a standard rappel, but not through a ring, but around a big rock? Becuase you need the 'pull' rope to be as long as your rappel anyway.
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
That's a good question @lennmusicman. This technique is used when the object you are rappelling from has considerable friction that may hinder your ability to retrieve your rope, or when there is a constriction in or near the rappel anchor that might trap a rope when you pull it. In the example shown, a large boulder with a rough, uneven surface is used as a rap anchor. In this situation when you reach the bottom of the cliff it is often exceedingly difficult or impossible to pull your rope back around the boulder and down to you. Additionally, because you must pull half the length of your rope around the boulder (instead of only a few feet of a bite as with the technique shown) it greatly increases the chance that your rope becomes stuck in the constriction between the boulder and the surface it is resting on or between the boulder and an adjacent piece of terrain. In some cases, such as when you need the rope for another rappel and the cliff you have rapped is not featured enough for you to climb back up, getting your rope stuck above you can be very serious. Another time this technique is commonly used is when moving through complex alpine terrain, where there might be many short rappels along a descent and time is of greater importance due to the amount of terrain that must be covered. In these situations the Macrame/equivocation hitch provides a fast method to set-up a rappel without the need for either climber to untie from the rope or thread from the end. In situations where there is a clean rappel surface, such as a smooth barked tree, constrictions are not present, and time is not of great importance, then threading the rope around the object or using this technique will both work. It is good to be mindful of the ethics of the climbing area, since when using a standard rappel method around a bare tree the retrieval of the rope can damage the tree over time (30 or 35 meters of nylon dragging). Not much of an issue for one or two rappels, but if it is done frequently by many parties it might have a more significant impact.
@c.l.s.99543 ай бұрын
Useful and clearly explained, thank you
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the positive feedback!
@butcher9773 ай бұрын
How do you get ropes up there in the first place?
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
There are several ways to get the rope up, but most common is to choose cliffs that have walking access to the top. The second most common is to climb an adjacent route that is easier, and then walk or traverse to the anchors of the route you'd like to top-rope solo.
@TheRealAlanStephens3 ай бұрын
Very well done. Have seen many videos about ice axe and yours has been the most informative and thorough. Also valuable in helping me choose the right ax and the right length. 1st time I have heard of when it is not a good idea of having a longer axe. Sound advice.
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the positive words!
@jasonbennett21943 ай бұрын
5:20 Hi! LOVE this video. Can you help explain the counterweight? How does a 5 lb bag keep the rope secure in a fall? I figure I was going to see you establish an anchor at the bottom of the route! Curious to try this out on a tree but would love advice/explanation
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Hi there @jasonbennett2194. The technique I am showing here is top-rope soloing, so the rope is secured to an anchor at the top of the climb so that the rope cannot move (I usually use a clove hitch or a bowline because they are easy to undo after they have been under load). Unlike top-rope climbing with a partner, the rope does not go up through an anchor and back down to the ground. Also, unlike lead rope soloing, the anchor is at the top of the climb and not at the base of the pitch. I hope this helps!
@jasonbennett21943 ай бұрын
@@skillsforclimbing DUH! That was a quick google on my end apologies but you explain it very well! Thank you! :)
@robertosullivan90273 ай бұрын
Amazingly small set of nuts. I would bring more nuts and some tri cams. And where are the hexes? Nothing beats a bomber hex or nut. More passive gear could cut back on the cams and give more options throughout the pitch and at the anchor.
@versusgravity2 ай бұрын
I'm also a fan of a bomber hex (Rockcentrics), and love my Tricams too. Those who don't like them, don't understand them. lol
@ck99734 ай бұрын
This looks dangerous AF
@umedina984 ай бұрын
Do you offer the course in December of this year?
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Hi @umedina98! Unfortunately I'm not offering the course this year. I'll be guiding on Cholatse through November and will need to head home shortly thereafter. Thanks so much for checking!
@umedina983 ай бұрын
Thanks for your reply! Amazing channel 🙌🏻
@celestincheze91424 ай бұрын
6:26 in fact the top piece always see the same weight except during a dynamic fall. The piece is always holding a rope that hold two people
@ssaw30084 ай бұрын
Question.. doesn't the carabiner on the rap rope ger cross loaded??
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Great question @ssaw3008. Cross loading refers to a force being applied to a carabiner in two opposite directions, on opposite sides of the carabiner, in the narrow profile. For example if you are belaying and your belay carabiner turns side-ways while you are lowering your climber, then there will be a load on the gate pulling in one direction (from the belay loop), and a load on the spine of the carabiner in the other direction (from the belay device pulling on the spine). In this system there is only a force in one direction, which is on the spine side of the carabiner as the rope pulls the spine of the carabiner into the rings. Additionally, this force is remarkably small, since in a rappel it would be unusual to generate 2 kN of force due to the low load and the stretch of the rope. A note on cross-loading carabiners- the most common cases of cross-loading carabiners I see is when ascending a rope in aid climbing or rescue (the carabiner attached to the ascender or prusik rotates) or when rappelling and the carabiner that captures the rope rotates. In both of these cases the load on the carabiner is small- generally less than 2kN. Carabiners rated for rock climbing are rated in a cross loaded position to at least 7kN. That may not sound like much, but 7 to 8kN is generally considered lethal when applied to the human body (it can start to tear you in half). In other words, if you have forces in a rock climbing system that might cause a cross-loaded carabiner to fail, then you have got much more to worry about than the carabiner. If you are a professional rigger, and you are working with static ropes, steel cable, and loads that are much heavier than one or two human bodies, then cross loading is a very real concern. Often cross-loading is confused with pinching, levering, or nose-clipping of a carabiner in an immobile portion of a system (such as a carabiner getting levered inside a climbing bolt occupied with a fat quick link or a broad locking carabiner). This can be and has been the cause of carabiner failures, and should certainly be avoided.
@rllancapi4 ай бұрын
Hello! Do you have the microtraction already installed on the rope? Or do you install it when you begin the self-rescue from the crevasse? Greetings from Chile!!!
@skillsforclimbingКүн бұрын
Thanks for the question @rllancapi! For this technique to work the microtraction needs to be already installed on the rope, with the teeth disengaged. I hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
@paulmorrey42984 ай бұрын
Thanks
@JeremyMcLain4 ай бұрын
Great video! I don't quite understand something though. At the beginning of the video you said that the lead fell from 50m up and you had a 60m rope. Let's say the lead was above the last piece 2m when they fell, fell 4m, and is now 2m below the top piece. that puts them 46m off the deck. You can lower them 10 meters with your remaining rope so that puts the lead 36m off the ground. To get them to the ground you must climb up at least 36m. You can only build your anchor there or higher. How do you double rope rappel 36m on a 60m rope? You can of course do a single rope rappel and add 12m of cordelette (if you have it) to the other side as a tag line or you could make two rappels out of it if you have enough gear, but I didn't see you do that. Of course this isn't a problem if they fall from lower or you can lower your partner to 30m or less. If they fell from much higher than that (say from 55 down to 52 then lowered to 47), I don't see how this technique is possible if you need to retrieve the rope for the next rappel, unless its multiple rappels or using a really long tag line. Please correct me if I'm missing something because this really was a great video.
@skillsforclimbing4 ай бұрын
This is an excellent observation! Thanks for the question! Ok, so let's assume the pitch is straight up-and-down (no traversing), and the rappel line will be no straighter than the climbing line. Let's also assume that the fall happened on a piece of gear that was more than 45m off the ground. Finally, let's assume that the base of the route is flat, without terrain to either side that is higher than other terrain (no hills, boulders, higher ledge systems, etc). In this scenario then you will need to use one of the solutions you mentioned (build a secondary anchor, use a make-shift pull-cord, fix the rope and rap, down lead, etc). 45m would be the magic number because this means you would have 15 meters of rope left over at the base of the pitch to lower the injured climber. At this point the injured climber would be exactly 30m off the deck when the rope comes tight to your harness, and you would counter-balance-climb 30 meters to get them on the ground. After constructing an anchor you would be able to rappel down with a 60m rope (just barely). If the pitch has traverses, the gear in the pitch causes the rope to weave a bit, if the base of the route is uneven and the injured climber can rest on higher ground, or if you can rappel and land on higher ground yourself then you may be able to save yourself construction of a second anchor, use of a pull-cord, or down climbing, but not always. Thankfully such a specific scenario is rare, and solutions are usually relatively simple. Thanks for watching and providing your thoughts!
@fairviewtv4 ай бұрын
Audio upgrade highly recommended
@jackillerkillaecaca5 ай бұрын
Mhhh this is great but it does remove a little tension from the load side when the munter flips, is there any way to lock out a munter with a clove while keeping tension?
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Nope! You can just adjust the clove a bit as needed.
@ishaqzz38985 ай бұрын
Can this be done with Figure 8 descender ?
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Nope. You need a guide-style plaquette device for this one.
@nikcezar24455 ай бұрын
Peak content
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Thanks @nikcezar2445!
@andyr46115 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video very informative. My Italian mum learned the duck step in the alps 70 years ago and showed it to me.
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Amazing to have a piece of history in your family!
@andyr46115 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing that very usefull technique. One question if I may? Would it be dangerous to use the technique shown while wearing micro spikes? Thanks.
@skillsforclimbing3 ай бұрын
Great question. First, this technique is dangerous as it is. There is a chance of injuring your ankles, elbows, etc. It is designed to be used in order to keep you from the even greater danger of sliding uncontrollably down a steep slope. If the snow is soft then microspikes will probably not increase your chance of injury while using this technique. If you are wearing microspikes because the snow is hard, and you use this technique, then there is a reasonable chance you will be injured. However, if you don't stop yourself in some way such as this, then there is an even greater chance that you will be injured to a greater extent in the subsequent slide. So for practice I would seek-out soft snow slopes with no avalanche danger, no overhead hazard, no hazards along the run-out, and would practice without microspikes. In real application I would do whatever I had to to stop a slip from becoming an uncontrollable fall. I hope this helps!
@mjh427775 ай бұрын
Would it be quicker if each climber used a PA?
@skillsforclimbing5 ай бұрын
Hi @mjh42777! That's a great question. Personal anchors and other leash systems have some advantages and disadvantages when it comes to attaching to anchors. An advantage of leashes is that it is very clear who is attached to the anchor and who is not (the rope is all the same color with multiple legs coming off the clove hitches, so it takes some getting used to). Also, leashes don't require you to tie a clove hitch, so it is one less knot that you can mess-up (munter hitches/Italian hitches often result when a clove hitch is tied incorrectly, which can have large consequences if it is not recognized before the follower is taken off belay). Because of these significant safety drawbacks, I often recommend that those who are newer to multipitch climbing stick with using Personal Anchor Systems and other leashes until they have their multipitch systems dialed. Then they can focus on mastering the technique of using the rope for anchoring while on the ground before taking it up on the cliff. The advantages of using the rope to attach to anchors is in the comfort that it offers. This really adds-up over the course of a long multipitch, or if you have three people at a belay anchor as when climbing as a party of three. The reason it offers so much more comfort is because a clove-hitch allows you to introduce or take-up just about as much slack as you want. So if there is a good ledge six feet below the anchor, you can have one or both of your followers hang-out on that ledge while still anchored on the bolts/trad anchor above (you might be able to do something similar with a Personal Anchor, but it would require adding long slings to the anchor to provide the extension, which you may not have available if you need the slings for the next pitch or next anchor). If the lead climber anchors at the belay using the rope with a clove, they can have a seat beneath the anchor while belaying in order to rest their legs, even if the best seated position is well below the anchor. Once the leader leaves the belay to lead the next pitch, one of the followers can step into the stance the leader was using, and with a quick adjustment of the clove hitch they are comfortably anchored in the new position- even if that new position is ten feet away from where they were standing previously. Use of tethers (such as personal anchors) and the rope for anchoring both can result in rope management snafus. Mitigating these requires developing an understanding of how the followers will enter the belay station (from the left or right), how the lead rope(s) need to overlap the tethers/rope attachments of followers, and how the leader will depart the belay station while leading the next pitch (going left or right). For those who are still learning multipitch belay station management, and for experienced multipitch climbers who make the occasional mistake, a tether can be a useful tool for anchoring all team members while you work-out such a problem, which might be easiest to solve by untying team members after they have been anchored by their PAs (a common occurrence in big wall climbing). Additionally, tethers are almost always used on technical descents such as rappels, where it is efficient to rappel to the next rap anchor and clip directly into a pre-constructed quad that you have clipped to both bolts/rings. In other words, I think both PAs and the rope are great tools for multipitch anchoring, and I use them both in my personal climbing and when guiding. Mastering the use of both of these tools offers the advantages of comfort and security combined. Let me know if that answered your question!
@mjh427775 ай бұрын
@@skillsforclimbing thanks for the thorough response!
@christineholmberg74315 ай бұрын
The neck lanyard should be breakable in case of a fall. I know of a local climber who was strangled to death by his neck/chest strap. I'm not sure if he was lead or top rope soloing.
@puregreekweed7 күн бұрын
thats why i always carry my petzl spatha
@mattradcliffe92795 ай бұрын
Great video. I didn’t recognize the mountaineers wall until half way in. See you at Index sometime.
@fitdoc5655 ай бұрын
Clearest and best explanation and demonstration of the equivocation hitch. Thanks as always!
@skillsforclimbing5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the supportive comment!
@paulmorrey42985 ай бұрын
Thanks
@hanshansli22386 ай бұрын
Cool, thanks
@jacqueslamontagne68906 ай бұрын
Question: why not just two half hitches instead of the mule? Easier to learn, harder to get wrong, faster to do, easier to undo.
@skillsforclimbing5 ай бұрын
This is a great question @jacqueslamintagne6890! In some countries a "slippery half-hitch" is used as the initial block that prevents the munter hitch from lowering. The slippery-half-hitch (or slippery-hitch for short) is similar to a mule-hitch, in that it can be pulled out and released under load. Like you mention, it is much easier to tie than a mule-hitch. The slippery hitch is then followed by a series of half-hitches to prevent the hitch from being accidentally pulled-out. In most cases this system works perfectly well- especially in the context of recreational climbing where the loads on anchors tend to be small (just the weight of one climber). However, there are a few specific scenarios when a slippery half-hitch might become difficult to release. If there is very little friction of the load strand running over rock, and you have a constant large force pulling on the locked-off munter, then the loop that the slippery-hitch is passed through can become very, very snug. This makes it exceptionally difficult to release the hitch while under load. This is sometimes the case when docking heavy haul-bags at anchors on multi-day big-walls, and it can also happen in rescue scenarios when you have a climber hanging in space after falling off a traverse above a roof for example. I have used both techniques for locking-off crevasse rescue systems (where a climber was lowered into a crevasse on a munter initially) and I found both lock-offs worked fine. The use of multiple half-hitches instead of a single overhand-on-a-bite to lock-off the remaining tail/loop is largely one of preference I think. Both work great. Perhaps the half-hitch series requires more rope and is a greater tripping hazard, but I can't think of any strong argument for or against either method.
@kevinmilner54906 ай бұрын
Will this work for double rope rappels, or will the knot that ties the two ropes together somehow interfere?