Thank you, welcome to the channel! 🖤

@@JayneGoth thank youxxx

Hell yeah 🔥 hallo daar, mede Nederlander 🤣

@@JayneGoth Hallo😂😂 ik hoop dat alles prima gaat, i like your content tho many people dont understand the subculture and i m tired of explaining people haha

I’m from the Netherlands! And I’m Pisces :)

Well spoken! 🖤

Thank you! Also, thanks for the recommendations! :)

Thank you! <3

Anyone can dress goth! If you love the fashion, then go for it. You can dress goth and not be an actual goth, if that is how you want to express yourself. My friend, who listens to rock but not goth music, also dresses goth occasionally. There might be people who mistake you for a goth because of it, or there might be goths who try and gatekeep the style. But I think it's okay for a punk to dress goth. The goth fashion is so beautiful and unique, and I think it's a big compliment to the goths if someone wants to look that way. It's your lifestyle and your music style (and obviously your own preferences) that say what subculture you belong most to. The fashion is just something extra. Dress how you want, no one can decide for you how you should express yourself, except for you. Hope this helps! ♥

​@@JayneGoth tysm!! <33

you can dress how you want! if you like punk though you could try listening to some deathrock, it's a subgenre of goth with a lot of punk elements. I recommend mystic priestess, tears for the dying, march violets, and alien sex fiend <3

There is, actually! Just as you would call Frankenstein a piece of "Gothic literature", the fashion and aesthetic is called "Gothic", rather than just "Goth". Gothic is a descriptor and the aesthetic, whild Goth is the musical genre. If you dress in that specific manner, rather than labeling yourself "Goth", you'd say "Gothic". I'm a baby bat myself, so I'm not entirely sure if I'm 100% correct (do tell me if I'm wrong), though, before I got into the scene, I'd often describe myself as "Gothic", as I found myself fond of the literature, architecture, general aesthetic, and tended to gravitate towards that style, rather than "Goth", as I didn't listen to that musical genre. As for your first point, I would say if you listen to Goth, even if it's just one artist, keep yourself aware of the other goth artists and the culture around the genre, you can be allowed to wear the title; so long as you know your place in the community, and understand your not nearly as well versed as others. I personally didn't use the label up until recently, as I felt to call myself a goth while merely listening to a single artist felt a bit wrong, though, that's preference. After all, Goth is just that, a label, a descriptor for a genre of music, just as Gothic is a descriptor in a more general sense, and so, it shouldn't be a suffocating thing that defines and controls someone. I feel comfortable to say I'm a Goth (as mentioned, a newcomer), now, though, I'm sure others wouldn't, and that's okay. I don't know if this makes any sense lol, but I hope this helps clarify at least a little on what I know and believe (and, again, if I'm wrong, correct me please!).

@@Spooky-Something well i have these discussions now and then and it never "makes sense", there are too many opinions, which annoys me, but it is interesting! i've seen everything from "goth is a mindset" to "only listen to new wave and post punk and dress trad goth or you aint goth". i dont think calling the aesthetic "gothic" would be correct since it's very closely related to goth (or emulating it) . gothic literature and architecture are 150+ years old and comes from a different etymological lineage (i think?????.) anyways, i appreciate the reply, i think "know your place in the community" sounds like a good rule of thumb, actually. i dont know why goth culture interests me so much, i have too many musical tastes to just concentrate on goth.

I’m Dutch, from the Netherlands! :)

Of course there are goths who suffer from mental health issues. My point was that it’s not the definition of goth, and that not every goth is mentally ill. I’m sorry that you’re going through that, I wish you well ❤️

Wow, it’s so cool that you’ve been goth for such a long time, since the start even. I’m always glad to hear the OG goths say that everyone is welcome! 🖤

Wow! Thank you, great recommendations 🖤

Sounds like you're part of the problem. Sounds like you need to be GateKept as well. Only posers Gatekeep people. The posers are the ones who identify as something else to violate children as a different gender. That community turned my Birthday into one of the worst holidays ever. nobody calls them a posers. Loose your ego and start calling the right people. Look in the mirror and you will see a posers staring back at you.

This is very relatable to me. I was never allowed to dress super goth as a kid, and therefore it was kind of hard to “show” that I was a real goth. No one saw me as an alt kid because I never wore the typical goth clothes. I always tried to wear only the black clothes that I owned, which was seen as goth by the non-goths, but it was not seen as goth enough to the actual goths. It’s ridiculous

💯A subculture which provides a safe space for different groups of people is typically going to push back against anything that is conservative as those beliefs are not aligned with where the scene is at today. People talk about older people who were around who have such beliefs. It's like yeah, they're a product of their time and upbringing so that's not a reflection of the younger, fresh, blood in the scene today. Political landscape is different these days as opposed to the late 70s hell even the 90s. More people have a voice and more people are exposed to the lives of others so they see a person's humanity. Also people learning critical thinking skills. I'm 38 and I'm glad to see the youth being more outspoken.🖤

Haha! Thank you! 🖤💪

@@JayneGoth you’re my best friend

Gatekeepers have a deep internal sadness, judgy people need to work on themselves and stop criticising. You feel Goth, you are Goth!! 🖤