Mark or Elizabeth, have you read "Hidden Life of Trees" by Peter Wohllenben? I have it in Kindle, read a few chapters a cpl years ago and now rereading d/t Undergrove.
@honeylady1084 күн бұрын
It's official--I love Undergrove!
@einher7812 күн бұрын
if u say that crows and killdeer/franklin seagull are the best, i think that you are not selecting good the A birds wether u play the lay eggs and play birds strategy. if u do so, u should choose birds of prey to be played in grass, and "when played" birds in the rest of the hábitats.
@einher7812 күн бұрын
the BEST starting hand is the plover and the crow played un the plains. sure victory
@nicoleacosta554519 күн бұрын
I have been playing Wingspan for about 8 months now and this is my favorite of all games now other than Everdell Legends. You both are crazy informative and your tier videos are crazy good! Love your insights. Thank you for these vlogs.
@user-cy4qu6ti8wАй бұрын
I like making a ridiculous amount of eggs to win, its pretty easy to do too.
@bedsidetabletopАй бұрын
Great refresher tutorial, thanks for making this!
@jmchap8442Ай бұрын
I've been playing the regular board with european. What would you say is a solid average score to shoot for? I've gone up to about 98-100 a few times, but most of the time i hover around 75-80
@yagsyags5694Ай бұрын
I didn't take the time to watch the whole vid, just checked the tier list at the end. For the most part, I agree with your rankings, except for two of them. Breeding Manager should be down in the bottom tier. Not even a question in my mind. It's an awful card. The other one I disagree with will be an unpopular opinion, but I think Oologist is over-rated. Most people consider it top tier, so I know I'm in the minority here. It's a good card, but it's not the guaranteed 6 points that most people assume. Sometimes, you have a game where you go for bigger birds that cost more to get out, so it's hard to hit 9 birds, and maybe not in the grassland where you'll get lots of eggs at once, so laying that many might be tough. Other times, spreading out your eggs in the final round might be counter to the final round goal, which wants all your eggs in a certain type of nest, or in a certain row, so going for the bonus card will help your opponent(s) beat you in the round goal. So I'd put Oologist in B tier, but maybe with an asterisk. Call it B+.
@carstenmuller81372 ай бұрын
This is a legendary game ;-)
@carstenmuller81372 ай бұрын
Good list: But how you you rank such a bad card: "Northern Shoveler" in C - Its a clear F ... Expensive costs and an effect without benefit for you because the other players draw also cards ....
@carstenmuller81372 ай бұрын
I am surprised that you gave Canvasback a B. Thats a really bad card because all players draw a card , so its not an advantag. And 2 Foods is not extremely cheap .
@carstenmuller81372 ай бұрын
Could you say that the pink birds are in a 2 Player game really bad and in a 5 players game a must have and overpowered ? So that is a bit dificult to rank these.
@carstenmuller81372 ай бұрын
Where can I finde the tier list und whats a good score. I scored 68 in my second play , no idea if its great.
@t.s.1802 ай бұрын
Just re-watched this one as I've been playing a lot more multi-player vs. one-on-one. There are birds that really aren't great on 1v1 that are significantly better as the number of players grow, particularly some of the pink and teal powers. It would be interesting to look at how Oceania has affected the usefulness of base and EE birds.
@HeavyTF2real3 ай бұрын
Just curious, do you plan to do new tier lists for the NA and EU birds on Oceania boards? I feel like they’d actually shift around a decent amount, there are some birds I rarely if ever use in NA/EU that I actually get tons of use from in OE (vultures, basegame dice predators, etc.) and others that while they were good or excellent already got even better (partridge, green heron, tuck-and-lays)
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Good ideas! Will keep that in mind.
@MostVictoryPoints3 ай бұрын
Wow, what an ending! Well played
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@lanfalentikoncilija73243 ай бұрын
28:45 wouldn't it be better to gain food, since you know that you will need rodent + woodpecker would give you the eggs to win the round Playing eggs is just 1 egg more, but -2 food, which is basically one action 39:45 same situation here, you need rodents and you are gonna use lay egg acrion in the last round anyway to get the grub, so wouldn't picking up food make more sense?
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
pileated woodpecker is net one point and barred owl hunting is not guarantee. Grassland net 3 pts is very tempting. Gaining food could have helped with tempo in those situations like you said.
@josephperry37003 ай бұрын
very very clear instructions. The fact I could see the board is a big bonus. Explaining examples of play were fantastic and concise. Tutorial: 5/5!
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the positive review!
@maxmorehead15693 ай бұрын
Finch in the grassland was better. Either way you trading 3 points for EOR for 3 points from nectar, except if he has a wetlands double bird he could win the EOR even if you play the finch in the wetlands.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
good points
@jerryamescua3 ай бұрын
You could have played the swansons hawk in grassland. Spent two nectar. Then discarded nectar for egg, swap out something in hand for chipping sparrow and waste no nectar
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I like that!
@danny2345553 ай бұрын
To answer the thumbnail, I think Spangled Drongo and Pileated Woodpecker still top the Wood Duck as single cards I'd rather have in the a starting hand, but getting a wood duck pileated combo is the dream. You got almost the same effect here with the chipping sparrow. Great game.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Sounds like a hot take!
@HeavyTF2real3 ай бұрын
I agree pileated over wood Duck just because eggs are so hard to come by, plus it goes very well with wood Duck itself. I’d say Pileated > Wood Duck > Chipping > Drongo. Drongo is excellent, and always a bird I want to get down early, but I think it’s still behind most egg-laying Forest birds for me
@davidmaust14153 ай бұрын
Instead of using rat to pay for eagle, you could've played another bird, then spent nectar to lay eggs
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Good one
@KnackNester3 ай бұрын
More and more, I'm seeing Keruru is a trap card. Here's my theory: If you have Keruru and you're up against a forest engine, then they most likely collect more nectar than you if their engine is stronger. If they are building in another row, then it can be very easy for your opponent to play around it. There is a very small sweet spot for Keruru where your opponent has a strong forest engine and you have 2-3 forest birds meaning you have decent food access without it, and can take the extra nectar when your opponent takes food. Its super niche in my humble opinion. Thoughts?
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Interesting… honestly I haven’t played Keruru too much to get a good feel. I think you are onto something here… probably not a go to forest bird, but I won’t mind starting with it(?)
@tonymok5353 ай бұрын
honestly, I never consider Keruru as a forest option unless I really don't get a forest bird...
@KnackNester3 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache even starting with Keruru feels mid. It's fine, but I'd rather have a "cache a wheat" bird. Those are kind of my bar for starting forest birds
@FalafelWaffle813 ай бұрын
Could you put the window with your face in the bottom left corner? In the bottom right, we can't see one of the tray birds, or the worm or seed count.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Yes, I realized that after the recording. Will keep that in mind next time.
@davidmaust14154 ай бұрын
You probably regret not spending egg for extra card especially when harrier missed on Galan
@brookemclaughlin7434 ай бұрын
I love watching the games from each player’s perspective. It gives you a lot of insight into why certain decisions were made. Thanks for posting!
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Lunariant4 ай бұрын
Is your full tier list available as a screenshot somewhere? Thanks for making this btw, it was a fun watch!
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
DM me on discord
@RoderickEgbertJan_vAmbtsbergen4 ай бұрын
1:24 why do you pick your bonus card so quickly without talking about the other option? Large bird specialist would have gotten you 2 more points in the end
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
The one that gives you 2 pts per bird is typically considered a better return. I always started with gnatcatcher so I just need to play another bird that qualifies to score 4 pts.
@bradenswanson26534 ай бұрын
Great game!
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@adrenalinejunkie47884 ай бұрын
Love your work, gentlemen!
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@adrenalinejunkie47884 ай бұрын
Thanks for another most interesting and useful video. I really enjoy the relaxed, engaging styles of both you two gentlemen.
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Appreciate your kind words!
@ledmotiv174 ай бұрын
Black crowned night heron deserves a highest ranking imo. It's been crucial in some of my wins that have let me partly skip investing in the forest
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
It’s a great big point bird with some decent use in certain situation.
@theblissfit4 ай бұрын
Why not play swan off of finch?
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
That was a mistake for sure!
@KnackNester4 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache I think he was planning to play kea last, but didn't realize he wouldn't have the food for it because of the cardinal misunderstanding. His plan made sense with that in mind.
@KnackNester4 ай бұрын
20:00 Hey friend, northern cardinal only gives them a cherry, not you and they did activate it when they took food. That being said, I agree that may have not been the best bird for that situation. As always, thanks for posting your content :)
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
For some reason, I always thought cardinal gives cherry to all players when my opponent plays it.
@riveness4 ай бұрын
Just had a common raven on start and one cheap card draw power in wetland. So went grass and wet. Ended up with another grass that took food for tuck. That 3 card start engine on its own got me 60 points. The rest got me to 120+ (e g. And a few typical lay eggs birds, bonus card birds, high pounts, foid cash). Never took forest turn.
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Nice!
@VeniVinnieVici4 ай бұрын
Why no gull before bushtit here? You don't use bushtit power turn 2 but could've used gull.
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Very good point. I think that would have been a better play. Looking back, definitely notice lots of questionable play in this game haha
@Carutsu4 ай бұрын
Asian Emeral can also be a 10 point bomb
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Yes!
@davidlyngbye61024 ай бұрын
Hello do you prefer the oceanea expansion over the original game? Also can you splash the oceanea expansion into the base game without using the oceanea board ?
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
I still enjoy Oceania quite a lot! The digital version doesn’t allow Oceania with base board.
@CapDanAddams4 ай бұрын
I just watched this veritasium video about the number 37 and this was the next video i went to and the number of views on this video was 37 and now its 38, but i felt like this was quite the coincidence haha
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Coincidences be like that haha
@xiongyizhang88584 ай бұрын
I would maybe have picked partridge over coucal for the starting hand
@jeremyrardin8594 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! Eggs are so hard to come by with the new board.
@jeremyrardin8594 ай бұрын
Three is of the same food is expensive, though. He was probably hoping for passive eggs to save the turn. Generating 5 eggs a turn with only 1 bird played would have been strong.
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
Was really counting on the coucal but unfortunately didn’t work out quite as well for me. I agree patridge has some potential here.
@jfuite4 ай бұрын
It's Ruddy Duck, not "Rudy Duck".
@tuckNcache4 ай бұрын
I have since learned
@davidmaust14155 ай бұрын
The double eagles probably felt like a dagger
@tuckNcache5 ай бұрын
Don’t think they were the game decider but yes… 😵💫
@FBInstant5 ай бұрын
I was hoping that you play the hornbill after the welcome swallow, it can be a counter to his imperial eagle and level up the citizen scientist bonus cards.
@tuckNcache5 ай бұрын
Yea, I couldn’t quite work out the scenario with hornbill at that time. I think there’s some potential there.
@FBInstant5 ай бұрын
@tuckNcache You would need 2 turns to lay 5 eggs on welcome swallow, 1 or 2 turns to get food, one turn to play hornbill using eggs not on the welcome swallow. But then you could have tucked 10 cards under the hornbill, a 10-point play.
@joegaster345 ай бұрын
For the last hand, I think I would have picked up Towhee, Blackbird, and Bobwhite, with cherry and worm because you can play Towhee, lay eggs and get the seed, then play Blackbird. The difference between the two starts is that one has a Bobwhite, which can be easily played later on thanks to the Towhee for a good grassland engine later in the game.
@tuckNcache5 ай бұрын
I think with additional food source bobwhite could be viable.
@ritusa095 ай бұрын
The second a in Galah is drawn out, not the first. Like Galaaah, not Gaala. Unfortunately the game pronounces it wrong too.
@tuckNcache5 ай бұрын
Noted. I might have to look it up
@riveness5 ай бұрын
Only grubs is very hard. Food web is low b for me. Decent list. Ty.
@hanslamal56325 ай бұрын
Will this ever come to android/ios?
@leviedriansantos89245 ай бұрын
It's nice to know you are also playing this! I have the physical board game copy of this game and I can't wait to play this on my Nintendo Switch!