Yes very well.

@ thank you 🙏🏻

@ also do you think the orca would be a good addition to my quiver for deep pow days since I already have the lib rig or something else

Just trying to decide if I’m all set with this as my everything board or if it’s worth getting a designated pow board

Agreed. I've tried both camber profiles in other boards and that's a very different on snow feel. I'll see if Step or Jordan (new reviewer) can get on the new one. I think they both have ridden the older model so they should be able to compare.

If it fits your specs and riding style go for it. If it doesn't you will be $200 further away from a board that works for you.

I've tried the 156 Outsiders in the past and that felt soft too. It always felt like a 4 out of 10 instead of a 6 out of 10. I also always felt the Indoor Survival felt a little stiffer than its 5 out of 10 flex rating, and so did Davey on the wide, but I also noticed that the 2025 Indoor Survival got softer in 2025, and I didn't get to try that model. I generally don't go by the brand's ratings as I find them inconsistent and often inaccurate. Regardless, I'm removing that sentence because it is confusing and might not be accurate vs. the 2025 Indoor Survival. Thanks for bringing this up.

Yeah there are no easy answers. I would need to know more about you to actually help because it really depends on how you ride, where you plan to ride, the equipment you plan to pair it with and a lot of other factors. If you want much better advice than you would get here, hit me through the paid advice section to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/

Indoor is way softer. I have both. I'm also confused :D

@@ineedtodothingsandstuff9022 he’s 20 pounds over the weight limit for the 154 so he’s over flexing this one. Based on his weight he should be on the 158 but he seems to size exclusively based on boot size.

@@bagis9066did you Demo others Boards? I wanna get the outsiders for all Mountain Freestyle Mixed with carving. I love Ryan knaptons style for example. All the Boards with a bit of rocker at the tips Sound so Bad to me for carving. The effective edge length of the Outsiders is Like 5 cm longer then a Traditionel camber because of the Flat Spots. That Sounds Great for carving and I could downsize to 156 to Cover the Freestyle aspect. Thoughs, alternatives?😅

@Pareto99 if you want more of a Ryan Knapton style you should not do either the Indoor Survival or Outsiders. You should look to stiffer boards like the 2025 NS Proto Ultra, Ride Benchwarmer, Stone Graham, Signal Disruptor and other aggressive twins that are almost full camber or full camber.

@@thegoodridesnow thx for the reply. Yes he rides stiff and Full camber but im searching for the best beginner/ learning baord for this style. I rode a custom x for 10 years but did 95% Flat carving with it. Now I gotta learn the ollie/nollie, butters, spins. Wouldnt you agree that the Flat spots from the outsiders are more catchfree then Full camber?

Not any time soon but planning to get on it this season if it's not changing for 2026

Two good boards but check 2:16

You are tall for your boot size and weight so that makes it challenging. I'd say 156 would be better for boot size and weight but it comes down to what you are used to. What make/model/size/year do you ride and how does it work for you.

Two very different boards. The only thing they have in common is the fast bases. For most, the Biru will ride shorter and wider and it's pretty much full camber with a stiffer flex. The Mantaray has a very small camber going to early rise and a softer flex. They appeal to two different styles of turning.

Yeah the 155 is a good fit.

Maybe a committed beginner who is going to ride 25+ days this season but there are more forgiving boards to learn on. I would need more info to properly help. So if you want to get into it more, hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/

Thanks and glad you are looking at thegoodride.com! There is soo much more there. Cheers!

Thanks! Dialed it back more on newer vids but hit me back if its still too loud.

Yes all around except for camber. I beleive that is centered on sidecut but not 100%. So if you have bindings that can slide forward .5" to be centered on sidecut, then it will feel almost like a true twin. I do this a lot with boards like this on groomer days and it feels great.

Thanks. Both are pretty good but I'd give edge hold to the Pentaquark by a little bit just because the edges are damper/resist chatter more. Both are amazing carvers. If you want a really set back, wide more surfy carver go Cafe Racer. If you want a more centered/easy to initiate a turn but still carves super hard too go Pentaquark. Two very different ways to do the same thing.

I say it's medium/stiff and not Medium. Watch the full review where I flex it more and you see how it bends. The demo I got might be different from the production but it also might be your perspective based on what you rode before, your specs and what size you rode.

@ agreed! Just tried over 15 boards this year already, generally attracted by stiffer boards and this one was top 2 stiffest (only some Dupraz were more stiff but didn’t like them). I love your reviews i would have just classified this one as « super stiff » :)

Thanks for the good words and yeah, 15 boards is a great start but check out boards like the Cafe Racer Plus, Jones Flagship Pro, Burton First Cut and Ride Commissioner if you want to ride or feel super stiff.

Seems to be the same

@ Thanks!

yes.

You think it would pair well with the lib rig 2024

Lioses wax quicly. Check full review and the timecode "Base Glide"

@thegoodridesnow just watched it, thanks!

Haven't looked at the catalog yet and yeah they haven't changed much.

I'll emphasize this is more freeride in the sense that it's not as set-back on board compared to 'pow' boards. This is a soft freeride board in my opinion, kind of a cruiser compared to my stiffer freeride/pow boards. I own this in a 163W and it's wider than my 164 jones hovercraft. Even the regular sizes are wider than typical. Important details...

@Rbs4876 Thanks for your take.

@joelmiranda1640 It really wouldn't. You will be much happier with the old surf rocker ME vs. this freeride board in pow. You should go to The Good Ride and read this article/watch the vid. thegoodride.com/snowboard-riding-styles-explained/ I put a lot of time into it, and it should help you a lot. You state the size but not your specs so no idea on weather the 152 will work for you and if you sized the 158 right. It won't float like the ME you have but it won't be bad at all except for better/deeper pow days. Then maybe take out the ME. You have a good 2 board quiver, but if you want a one-board quiver, you might like something like the newer Mind Expander, YES PYL Uninc, or Cardiff Powgoda if you want something with a very good float that also rides groomers. There is also a lot of incomplete info here that makes it hard to recommend a board. If you want to do this get into it more, hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/

@@thegoodridesnowoh dang, i had meant to include my stats: 5’10, 195lbs, 9.5 boot. The 152 dancehaul is super fun and i get plenty of float from the ME. Im north of you at Snoqualmie and do most of my riding there. 2-3x at Alpental and the rest of the year looting pow spots across the rest of Snoqualmie. Once a year getting to travel somewhere in the PNW. Ill go have a look at those links. Thanks for sharing.

Boot size? Most important when sizing a board.

8-8.5 depending on boots im wearing

153 would be a good compliment for hard snow and harder carving.

@@thegoodridesnow awesome thanks ..i thought the 156 would be in my range since im 185-90 in gear but if you think a 153 would work better then ill go look for that ..thanks again

Yeah it could work but if you have a 154 algo and like it the 153 Dynamo will be a better fit. It's much more aggressive/technical/feels like more board than the Algo. Especially for 8-8.5 boots. Remember to always size for your boots first, weight second and height a distant 3rd.

No problem. I put a link to the Patreon vid where I did share my thoughts/differences but I have several additional takes on Patreon as well. www.patreon.com/c/thegoodride.

Sorry but I haven't. Lost my contact at K2 last season (quit or something). Have a new contact and hope to this season.

@thegoodridesnow ah thank you anyway for the quick reply!

This would not be more relaxed. The Type Two is much more forgiving and has an easier flex on snow than the Dynamo. If you want a chill ride with good grip go with the Terrain Wrecker. The camber profile is similar to what you have now but it's a more chill, a little more directional ride vs. what you have now but with more grip. If you want mellow but with full camber the Gnu Antigravity could work too. If you want to get into it more, hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/

The 154 matches well with your specs.

Thanks for your take. Don't agree with the weight but I do agree on the bases.

Lib tech bases and magnetraction hold me back from riding one.

I have about 20 days on my dynamo this year… seems like a very underrated sleeper. Heavy boards are stable and precise off piste.

Agreed @en5954 and other than the base its quite a fun ride.

@@thegoodridesnow yeah I have been adding wax weekly to the sections of the board by the edges.

Many thanks!

Glad I worked late...again...

fucking auto captions...I spell corrected my captions though.

Union Ultras.

No. It's not easy to learn on. If you want in depth advice on what would be better for learning, hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/

It's close. I'd probably go 162 but what is your exact size on your boots. 10.5 or 11?

Spring Break Powder Racers Split or the other Solid? There are discs for each. One set if for split and one for solid.

Thanks. Two great boards and very different. The 2025 IS is just like our 2023 except it no longer is set back on sidecut. It's almost the same otherwise. So disregard what we say on the set back and treat it now as a park to mtn freestyle twin. thegoodride.com/snowboard-reviews/capita-indoor-survival-snowboard-review/ If that appeals to you and you have something else for pow or are fine with a mostly camber twin in powder. If you like a more directional ride with more set back float in powder thats more forgiving and stiffer go BSOD.

I had no lag with mine. Her's might have an issue. That being said I'm only riding these for testing. I greatly prefer my Union Force's over these for adjustability, that not locked into the high back feel and I'm ok with less response.

Go low roller. You want those wheels for cursing around the airport or even walking from the parking lot.

Thank you!

I'll ask Nitro this year when we demo rides but it will be a while if they have them for me to review.

Great to hear and glad it wasn't too catchy with all that camber.

No pretty different and the 157 would be fun if you still want to be aggressive, have more rocker/float and more maneuverability.

@ thanks man, I’ll wait till they go on sale in a couple months and grab one for next year!!

Hope it works well for you.

Thanks! Surfari.

Thanks. Pencil is snowsurf. Go here to filter by categories to see what is similar thegoodride.com/snowboard-reviews/?mens=1