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@itsBayFreshALLday
@itsBayFreshALLday 15 минут бұрын
....the 5 shows I attended sounded perfect each night. the Music fills the room quite well.....
@RocknJazzer
@RocknJazzer 4 сағат бұрын
Reminds me of the Pink Floyd 50th anniversary Dark Side of The Moon 360 surround dome show saw in an IMAX dome last year, highly recommended for the visuals alone
@BluemanDrummer
@BluemanDrummer 4 сағат бұрын
Cool
@mvdkwast
@mvdkwast 9 сағат бұрын
This opens the gates for entire new musical genres ! So much potential ! Also, I need to remove the low-pass filters from all my gear now and record at 1Mhz !
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 6 сағат бұрын
Either that of just know and believe that humans only are able to perceive frequencies between 20 and 20K and once you get to 20.00001 K, nada Yep, our bodies have certain exact parameters we all follow precisely. Oh, there is another perspective that energy, regardless of frequency, if it is of a high enough level, will have an impact on living tissue. We can't see infrared light, but we feel it as heat.We can't see ultraviolet light but it will sunburn us. We cant see or hear X-rays or gamma radiation but can burn and poison us. Microwaves? But when it comes to sound. Nope, that is magic stuff, frequencies below 20hz can't be heard. Oh, but wait, we can feel them so what does than mean? Frequencies above 20k can't be heard, but wait, can we feel them s headaches? Is it possible? Naw, even though that would parallel everything we know about energy and that at higher intensities it will impact the body, sound is magic and unique, so naw, impossible. Demonstrable, logical, but impossible. And let's also set you up with a sunburn symphony light show!
@realmartinmai
@realmartinmai 12 сағат бұрын
you are the best!
@Brody-Dolyniuk
@Brody-Dolyniuk 15 сағат бұрын
That’s a pretty accurate assessment and similar to my experience. However, I was there on the opening night of U2 so completely different band energy. I was more eye-level with the stage off to the SL side, and just out in front of the eave so I wasn’t caught under the balcony. I too would agree that the audio system is more of am immersive movie experience than a rock concert, but it was in fact a good mix after the first song was dialed in . And even though the visuals are overwhelming, they managed to weave live camera feeds of the band, or perhaps some pre-recorded stuff, in with the graphics to make it a reminder that there was a (great) band in front of you.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
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@i700plus
@i700plus 16 сағат бұрын
My wife and I recently bought tickets to see Kenny Chesney in May at the Sphere. After seeing your video I think it will be worth it. Even if it isn't we are going to Coachella in April so we will have all the high quality sound we need at that Festival. Thanks Dave!
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
Definitely an amazing visual experience and as long as you are not expecting the sound of a rock show and embrace the comfort and visual side, it's a win!
@WeaselFace
@WeaselFace 17 сағат бұрын
Everyone i know who has interacted with the holophonic stuff went in wide eyed and eager like a kid on Christmas, ready to play with a brand new toy...but they all left with a kind of "oh yeah, its...its, good...like, really controlled....I'll stick to line arrays for now" I use a beam steered system in one of my main venues and I'm just always underwhelmed with the results. holophonic is certainly more fancy than the column beam steered stuff I've used, but i just feel the benefits are outweighed by the negatives and that is the phasy, anemic sound that comes with the concept of beam steering. We're manipulating the phase relation to steer and angle the beam, then being surprised when the sound is thin and phasy...
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
Agreed
@djpsychic
@djpsychic 18 сағат бұрын
The Holoplot system is beyond anything I've encountered before and we have been fortunate to experience it back in 2019. What really stood by me is that even though the sound is loud, it doesn't deform and you can still have a normal conversation with someone without shouting. The guys doing the tech were pretty awesome as well showing how the zoning etc was done. You could literally have multiple point based sound sources, where someone a few feet from you could hear something very different. Their tech demo really showed this off where they had put spots on the floor where only on that spot you could hear a particular sound. To be fair, we couldn't get this segmentation effect with normal music as it needed lots and lots more bass speakers to get the same wave guiding. In the venue I was playing the sound was balanced, directly outside the tent it was relative quiet, but every so hundred meters the bass waves created a point of gathering causing the ground to literally shake. Some people in their tents described it as an earthquake 🤣
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 17 сағат бұрын
Cool cool and thank you. Here is a link to a video I did on the capabilities of the system. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5-1dmV3mLJqn7ssi=2dWh01A6MYkUnO2G
@workslave-1
@workslave-1 19 сағат бұрын
Did 3 shows last year mostly way back in the 'CHEAP" Seats. Loved the experience. Doing 3 more this Spring, got a 3 different vantage points as it could be my last time seeing Bobby. Geeked because I am a fan but I do expect better visuals and better sound this Spring. Peas'
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
Perfect and yes, I think we are headed back for aanother round. Will get e different angle as well.
@georgegeranios2918
@georgegeranios2918 19 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I know from whence you come. I was F.O.H. for Blue Oyster Cult, Dokken, Anthrax and other harder bands and I have used your excellent system (in L.A. for Dokken). I know the feeling of creating an audio event impossible to replicate outside the venue environment. I have not "Sphered", nor do I intend to at those prices! I imagine the sound is polite, professional and pristine, but THAT is not what we did.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 19 сағат бұрын
Super cool and that brings back some fun memories! Description is dead on
@farn451
@farn451 20 сағат бұрын
I work in corporate and it amazes how many people have never understood gain structure and end up mixing with their faders down at the bottom with massive cuts in the EQs. The idea of "start at the source and work down" doesn't seem to have made it to most engineers out there. If I get to set my own rooms up I always start with the amps down, set the gains of the mic's and playbacks then push out to the amps as hot as possible before clipping and then amp up to match the room.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 19 сағат бұрын
🤙👍🤙
@Tmp205
@Tmp205 20 сағат бұрын
Heard holoplot a couple of years ago, extremely clever, but does not sound anything close to good. Potential maybe, but doesn’t fully work yet
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 19 сағат бұрын
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@RyanWeatherley-bn9pp
@RyanWeatherley-bn9pp 20 сағат бұрын
Make it 4 ohm for the dead
@quadmods
@quadmods 20 сағат бұрын
The aluminum Diffractal like things are pretty neat, like the door of a microwave oven. Beats having a cabinet maker produce them with a zillion little blocks of wood then have them not work... Thanks for this informative video. Cheers.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
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@zanesmusic4153
@zanesmusic4153 22 сағат бұрын
It really makes a difference where you are inside. 205-207 sections were by far the best seats.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
Interesting and not unexpected. That said, a well designed setup in a better acoustic environment than a sphere can offer, can sound clear and impactful and connect the audience with the artist and show at distances greater than the distances I roamed at the sphere. Even under the balcony where speakers were quite close, and high quality sound should not be too challenging to achieve, I don't feel sphere sound stood out as exemplary
@marxman00
@marxman00 23 сағат бұрын
LSD has a much better carbon footprint ..
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
True and funny
@frankangermann6460
@frankangermann6460 23 сағат бұрын
I‘ve seen a Demo from Holoplot at ISE in Barcelona…..it’s just amazing….
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
It has amazing capabilities, it's just all about finding applications where those capabilities bring advantages to make up for the deficiencies.
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 23 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the objective review. I've read and heard a lot of hype about this venue, but I was skeptical. Physics are still physics at the end of the day. That being said, I wonder how much of your experience was down to the engineer and how he/she used the system vs the system/venue factors? I guess you'd have to visit multiple times with different acts to get a true impression.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
Great point. I actually know the sound engineer and have been good friends with Derek for over 30 years. He mixes Primus when I met him. He is an amazing engineer. I tried to do my best to take the engineering aspect out of the equation. Overall it sounded like a 100,000 little speakers all somewhat working together but also doing different things. There is a diffused phasey sound overlay that I believe is I here t to Holoplot. That said, those 100,000 little speakers offer amazing control and capabilities. But unified clear clear pristine powerful impactful goose bump audio is not one of them.
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 20 сағат бұрын
@@DaveRat interesting. I think I can imagine how it might sound. Can you still use it like a standard PA if you want to? I heard U2 mainly used the centre speakers and the ones at the back, sides and above were for targeted effects only. It would be interesting to know what Derek thinks of the system
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 19 сағат бұрын
Yeah I'll ask him next time I talk to him I owe him a call. And you can emulate left and right and then control things as much or as little as you wish from there or all independently. They gave me the software and to be honest I never really dived into it but may do so at some point.
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 19 сағат бұрын
@ Cool. I don't know how Derek was using the Holoplot when you visited, but if the sound was coming from all over the place all at the same time, I could understand the "phasey" sound you were describing, however if he was using it such that the sound from each musician came from roughly where the musician is located on the stage, I would have thought that could work quite well, aligning with your philosophy of not having 2 identical copies of the sound coming from 2 different speakers. Perhaps he WAS doing that, but because each speaker is at a slightly different distance to each listener, everything sounds a bit "out" and that outweighs any advantage? Just thinking out loud here.
@markmooch
@markmooch 23 сағат бұрын
Would have loved to have seen pink Floyd there if they were still together, maybe some of that live visual projection art in the sphere
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
Agreed and same!
@markmooch
@markmooch 23 сағат бұрын
What did you mean by when they use that control in the sound system? Panning/routing?
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 22 сағат бұрын
Way more than that. Maybe check out thos video kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5-1dmV3mLJqn7ssi=Ips5OeCLVBm4hLim
@Zack-Hates-Youtube
@Zack-Hates-Youtube 23 сағат бұрын
Was this a previously released Member video? I know after some time the videos go to the general public. Is it possible for you to put a note in the description that it was previously released? Oftentimes I get halfway through the video before realizing.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 23 сағат бұрын
Yes and great idea! Will do
@digitalone8743
@digitalone8743 Күн бұрын
Hi Dave, i went to the new Intuit dome to see the clippers v lakers a couple days ago, the same thing is going on there the visuals from the dp’s are practically overwhelming it takes a minute to adjust, i have no doubt they may even cause some people to get slight motion sickness. Visuals are prioritized over audio but there is an amazing system flown from overhead at the top of the dome, the distance to the floor makes for a low end with deep extension without being overtly loud and that was an interesting feeling to experience but the system lacked intelligibility the clarity needs to be improved, i had good seats in the vip section just off the floor and it was a smeared sound, i could clearly hear the announcer but i could not understand the lyrics of the half time artist, surprisingly from where i sat i could clearly feel and hear the different ADSR of the 808’s and low freq drum sounds through the night
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yeah, getting speakers closer to people would be helpful but hits visuals
@arnoldmendez710
@arnoldmendez710 Күн бұрын
I'd have to totally agree. The visuals are stunning. Absolutely stunning. There is no question about that. The sound was mid at best. It didn't have punch or hit you in the chest. But that being said, I would go back again. The visuals are really worth it!
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yeah, I would go back if friends are going but would not seek it out. Except if Roger Waters was playing, then I would seek it out
@christopherrankin2759
@christopherrankin2759 Күн бұрын
I love you Dave Rat ! Tell it like it is ! NOT the best thing since sliced bread ! In the immortal words of Chuck D “Don’t believe the hype”!!!
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Love you Hoover!
@djrickysmith
@djrickysmith Күн бұрын
Dave, you should never pay.. you're one of the best
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
It's a different experience. When I get given tickets, a lot of times that comes with some extra baggage where I need to meet people or be in a certain spot. I think by paying to get in it helps keep things really objective and separate and I was able to be more of an observer than an industry insider
@djrickysmith
@djrickysmith 14 сағат бұрын
@@DaveRat I understand 👍👍
@DaveRat
@DaveRat 13 сағат бұрын
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@BMXaster
@BMXaster Күн бұрын
Can one as experienced as you ever go to a concert or festival as a attendee and enjoy the show? Or are there always "Analyzing Brainactivities" going on? Can you let go and enjoy so to speak? Also from a quality and mixing perspective, is the a lot of judging (not necessarily in a bad way) going on in your brain when you are a visior instead of at FoH? Personally, as a drummer, I really have to actively stop from overanalyzing every beat and pattern and force myself to just let go and enjoy the show.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yeah a bit of both similar to your adventure. I definitely survey and analyze sound And I used to be filled with a desire to fix problems and have to suppress that or act on them. But now I am really comfortable just observing things as they are and either enjoying or ear plugging or leaving accordingly. Unless it's a show my company's providing sound for or there are close friends involved with the positive outcome, in which case I become obsessed with fixing or helping. And truly awesome experiences even if it's not down my line of music, things that are truly impressive I am able to really enjoy. Saw an Afterlife EDM show and it was jaw-dropping impressive visually and sonically. Roger Waters playing Coachella gave me goosebumps. No Doubt at Coachella and pretty much every time I've ever seen Iggy Pop. Most of the radiohead shows I've seen. So yeah there are shows that I stopped thinking about it, and just truly enjoy the experience. But those are few and far between. I really tried to let go and immerse in the sphere and visually it took me there but sonically it was just a cumbersome acoustic environment that I don't believe any amount of speakers would have solved.
@jahlove4211
@jahlove4211 Күн бұрын
I wonder if the bands have really pushed the possibilities of what the audio and the video can achieve. It could take weeks if not months to upload then manipulate the data...are the bands allocating the resources for such demands???
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Agreed and I am sure things will continue to evolve. Spherical acoustic environments are really problematic and overcoming that acoustically is going to be a real challenge or unsolvable. With the size and distances involved and shape of the venue I think visually you can reach the highest levels of quality and immersion but that happens at the expense of optimum audio due to the undesirable acoustic environment. In my mind I was kind of referencing going to an Afterlife show And no it wasn't my musical tastes it was jaw-dropping visually and acoustically truly mesmerizing. I see the sphere being able to match or beat that visually and not even come close acoustically due to the size and shape of the venue and distances and so on
@dadigitechman
@dadigitechman Күн бұрын
Thanks for the trip Dave!
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
👍🤙👍
@vadimmartynyuk
@vadimmartynyuk Күн бұрын
Is the entire system stereo or something else ?
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
The system is well beyond stereo. It has the ability to radiate multiple sounds from multiple directions - front side rear up high or down low. Plus it can radiate sounds in different directions from each of those locations. I did another video on the sphere demo that maybe you should check out. The system has the ability to send different sounds in different directions from a single group of speakers. And there are lots of groups of speakers all over the place
@stuartsmith5146
@stuartsmith5146 Күн бұрын
Your description of your experience is similar to my experience of nose-bleed stadium shows. Peter Gabriel had an amazing stage production for the Us tour. Regardless of the size while live, the video of that concert “Secret World” is so much more engaging. I’m sure a 7th row ticket would have been best for live. I’m curious what the threshold distance is for feeling connected to a performance or not.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Agreed and that's one of the challenges of large venues. Is finding a way to connect the artist with the audience especially for the people located it greater distances. This takes quality sound and quality video and good sight lines and an attention to combining those in a cohesive way. I have been much farther from an artist playing and been more connected. But also I am biased towards sound over visuals. That said if you have really good sound far away and visuals you can see clearly the connection can be pretty solid. If you're far away and the sound also is far away and not clear and impactful even with quality video I have a hard time being connected
@stuartsmith5146
@stuartsmith5146 Күн бұрын
@@DaveRat Thanks for that Dave. I have chosen not to see a lot of shows because the price for close experience tickets was beyond my capacity and the attainable price tickets were not worth the cost of the experience. My loss. Perhaps I'll try again soon. I swear that the Gabriel sound was great - I might just not be a stadium customer.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
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@brenthandycts131
@brenthandycts131 Күн бұрын
Sphere just purchased the Holoplot guys so there won't be any other systems sold to the outside world at this point. Only MSG venues. That's ok. It can't punch me in the chest with plosives.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yeah I heard about that and it's an interesting development. It also feels like with MSG owning holoplot the R&D push will be diminished and replaced by cost-effective repetition and manufacturing for specific applications will replace it
@dominusblandus
@dominusblandus Күн бұрын
I really appreciate your insightful but balanced, fair view on this new Location. I think (never been there but know someone at holoplot) that this can be a start to totally new user/media-experiences. The people behind those events in there surely need to try many things before they get the right balance of video vs sound vs livesound vs "what does the customer want and what can we give them that the customer didnt even knew they find interesting"
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Agreed.
@tm8473
@tm8473 Күн бұрын
Recently i worked in a venue in France with an holophonic system installed. Basically you can route every input channel of the console (direct outs via dante network) on a specific input of the holophonic processor, which, in turn, allows you to virtuallly place that input almost everywhere into the 3d space. Very nice, effective and impressive, but most of the touring bands are still completely focused on a traditional "front" show and most of them end up positioning the LR mains or a virtual center cluster, where they should be in a conventional arrangement. Looking at the impressive video screens of the sphere, a show should be planned and developed exactly with this unique space in mind to get the most fom the venue. Otherwise, a generic video content will play on the screens regardless of the music, i suppose.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yeah I think each show that goes to the sphere spends quite a bit of time in the Burbank design studio where they can build their show visually to work in the sphere. Plus any video of real world needs to be filmed with the special camera that the sphere developed. There is a minisphere in Burbank that allows all this stuff to be designed and fine-tuned before it gets put into the real deal big one
@Edwin-van-der-Putten
@Edwin-van-der-Putten Күн бұрын
Wow Dave, thanks for sharing your story! Nice to see a pro reviewing this! 🙂
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Thank you Edwin!
@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549
@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549 Күн бұрын
So all it needed was a good line array
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
You know that's an interesting thought. Spherical acoustic spaces are a real challenge and create a lot of problems. I think giant line arrays could increase the fidelity and impact but also it could get very tough too get the coverage and you would lose the features and flexibilities that holloplot offers, where in different sounds can be focused in different directions and sounds can be moved around the venue and sound can be focused in such a way as to minimize the amount of energy pointing in directions that will cause issues. I just don't know if it would be better or worse but my guess is it would both be better and worse
@bladebaker6000
@bladebaker6000 Күн бұрын
I mixed a show on a holoplot rig at another Venue in Vegas in October 2024. 2 X1 80-s over 2 X1 96 per side paired with 4 meyers subs on the ground, attendance at the venue was around 1500. It was okay - my mix translated fairly well but I would have definitely preferred the Meyer Leopard rig that was installed prior to the Holoplot - the house engineer felt the same way.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
That kind of summarizes how I feel about it as well. It's a cool system with wonderful features and I would still rather have a nice clean simple system with power and clarity
@MaxoticsTV
@MaxoticsTV Күн бұрын
You allude to this (I think?). The irony is the sound system is built to PREVENT the attendee from listening to the sound. The problem of all modern amplified large concerts is the farther away you are the muddier the auditory experience. Whereas, as you point out, the farther you are away from the screen the clearer the image. If they didn't put up that don't-pay-attention-to-sound system then the attendee would experience the directional sound (from a point in the front) which would distract them from their wider visual view of the screen. You're such a positive energy person Dave. Not having that talent ;) ... The SPHERE USES THE CELEBRITY OF MUSICIANS TO PULL PEOPLE INTO A (FREAKISH) LIGHT SHOW. The visuals are everything. The expense of the sound system is to keep the viewer literally mesmerized by the screen. I remember my uncle, sadly gone, who was outraged with Jose Feliciano was playing at an amusement park and everyone was talking and not paying attention. There's something similar going on here. One the one hand, everyone gets paid. Everyone has a good time. But.... Glad you went so I don't have to go ;) I've find it fascinating for 5 minutes but then, honestly, I'd be bored and would leave--unless the visuals worked with the sound to create an independent work of art.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Yes it summarizes it well and is a good analogy. This was a great way to get a historical perspective of the achievements and awesomeness of the Dead. And I went with people that have been to many grateful Dead shows and the consensus was that this was not a grateful Dead show. It was a show about the grateful Dead with the grateful Dead playing. But, that said they enjoyed it as a differing perspective and dead and company are slated to come back to the sphere and there's talk already about returning. And if so I will probably join them and do an update if I learn something new and interesting to share
@mikemaki9841
@mikemaki9841 Күн бұрын
This venue doesn't really interst me UNLESS it was a Pink Floyd reunion. Then I would be all in
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Fully agreed! And also if it was just Roger Waters there the same thing goes for me.
@G0ogs
@G0ogs Күн бұрын
It seems to be more about the venue than the band, a great experience but i dont think i would want to watch my favourite group there
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
I think maybe the best way to experience the venue would be to see a band that is visually based and go down and lay on the floor looking up. My understanding is they actually had an area where people could lay on the floor at the dead and company show. Back in my more adventurous days, that would be something I would be inspired to experience
@Lu_Woods
@Lu_Woods Күн бұрын
How far we have come from Laserium with Dream Weaver cranked in a planetarium.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Wow that's a blast from the past and yes!
@keithsquawk
@keithsquawk Күн бұрын
'shrooms and Floyd's Echoes 🙃
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
👍🤙👍
@Lu_Woods
@Lu_Woods Күн бұрын
@@keithsquawk "Everything is green, and submarine..." ; ))
@gregorykusiak5424
@gregorykusiak5424 Күн бұрын
Have you ever been that high at a Dead show before, Dave? 😂😂😂
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Ha! Vertically no. Mentally my days of striving for non vertical elevation have long passed
@gregorykusiak5424
@gregorykusiak5424 Күн бұрын
@ well I’m glad you’re helping us all achieve some professional mental elevation through your channel/videos - much appreciated, sir!
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
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@russellzauner
@russellzauner Күн бұрын
we've evolved from wall of sound to sphere of sound
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
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@mauriziochef
@mauriziochef Күн бұрын
You are a Monster!!!! How many milion dollar there are in this stage?
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
Ha! Lots of millions!
@adamcoe
@adamcoe Күн бұрын
Buddy of mine went about a week ago and said it was amazing, but not necessarily worth the cash. This was just one of the programmed shows and not a live band thing. I believe there was a U2 section, along with some other stuff. A hundred bucks or a little more I believe, and he was like, "cool but like...maybe not 100 bucks worth of cool." Seems very much like a tourist level thing (in Vegas? Imagine that eh) rather than a really good concert experience. Unless you're super close perhaps, but if you've got that kind of cash then it's probably no big deal either way. Overall from what I've seen on YT and heard from a handful of people who have been, I honestly don't think I'd go if I was in Vegas, unless I had some kind of hookup. Impressive setup to be sure, but this is more Disney World than a really great concert experience, if you've been to a lot of shows.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
I think you pretty much describe this exactly with what I agree with
@kuglepen64
@kuglepen64 Күн бұрын
Even across KZbin it sounds like listening to a portable speaker placed some way away. Quite weird sound aesthetic.
@DaveRat
@DaveRat Күн бұрын
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