16:00 I thought veterans would love newbies because of the extra rewards...

From my personal experience (I did enough clears to get the Dais mount), the biggest problem in PF was not the higher chance of human error due to having more players. The big issue was the twats who would leave after 1 or 2 wipes, every time. And you'd be forced to reform the party would could take 5-10 minutes depending on how many people bailed. This was a very noticeable issue in clear/reclear parties. IMO so much time was wasted not on people making mistakes thus causing wipes, but from waiting for the party to reform after someone leaving due to said wipes. I definitely spent more time waiting for the party to fill up as opposed to actually attempting the content. I understand leaving if the party is clearly a trap. I would leave if I noticed someone was consistently making the same mistakes several times, or if someone was clearly a prog liar. But I would not leave just because of one wipe on looming chaos.

The difficulty is good, like already mentioned, players are just stupid. Western players do not have the mentality like japanese do. Ofc its not fit for western culture.

People quitting after three pulls is something that has been plaguing Fru as well, people have been a lot less patient lately.

lets be honest, players are stupid^^ If no one does lie about their prog, and do more practise, there wouldnt be problem in farming groups, since its expected to clear without problems. As a result, players might want to stay longer in PF to fill up.

Its like i said Yoshi-P and team don't know how to create good midcore content its savage or casual no in between

32:34 9 hours is not a lot really in the grand scheme of things but I think we all get it. That's PUG! what else can I say besides that 15:22 17:48 that's an NA issue, not a JP issue. In JP we had something like 50 to 60 groups (more than FRU and any other content) so even if you disband or someone quits quick, you can refill pretty quickly. Groups usually take less than 10 to 15 minutes to fill. We also do 2 wipes disband or 3 wipes, and while I get that people can leave quickly (I saw a couple of 1 pull leaves), committing a full lockout when you have a lot of choices is insane. 17:16 AC and B have different movement and mechs, joining groups that you haven't done the mechs or you are not comfortable with is just weird if you ask me. 27:57 it doesn't work like this. Even the total amount of time you need to pull is 30 minutes for 3 pulls, it's more like 1 hour, so 20 minutes ish for each pull. people are still gonna have small 15 to 20 second breaks between, waiting for ready checks, entering and leaving and looting stuff. I had a few groups where we can farm quite comfortably on PUG. If we had like 10 strats running in JP and people are arguing which strat is the most 'recoverable' strat, I am not gonna PUG this fight. The strat in JP mostly settles in day 2, and JP strat is not recoverable (we had 4 healers in), but you don't need to recover if people know their shit and can do the fight (and if you can't, duh); you just need to be comfortable about what strat and movement you use, which is just not how the NA raiding community is about.

ilv sync i have not heard anyone else mention this. thank you!

You can still get the hairstyle dont give up hope. I only got 16 materia from my clear, but i went to help out on clear parties after, and after 4 or 5 kills i got enough materia. cff, C41 and clear parties have been better experience to me than ”farm” parties anyway. On farm parties, people are tilted and salty: someone leaves after pull or 2, I get kicked when i join ( even when meeting 5kills join req for party), people saying toxic stuff on chat all the time. Im not even sure have I got single kill on farm party, but clear party is kill after 1-3 pulls most of the time.

3 pulls? People leave after 1 wipe in Aether. It's a miracle to find an enrage party that can do 3 pulls now. And yeah I've noticed the same thing about toxicity too. I've never seen people starting to trash talk this early and often in a savage prog party before. I played OT with my MT partner, so we can be in a relative consistent spot. In some parties I could smell the dislike between the healer and dps in my tile corner, like one BLM complaining about the healer refreshing too frequently. I just didn't get their points, like the dps could always refresh after the healer or not if they didn't find it necessary. In another party the healers refused to heal a BLM(again) who eat one AOE in the fight's beginning due to LL. People start to get triggered by weird things in this content very often. Maybe it's unhealthy to prog this content alone. At least you'll have someone to keep your complaints private.

I really enjoyed this fight!!!.... for the first 2-4 hours. Then yeah you get to towers and you just wipe to towers. Then you get to brambles and you wipe to towers. Then you get to swaps and you... WIPE TO TOWERS!!! My personal take is that all content period should be made with PF being the main target audience and SE deciding how to best make their harder content with them in mind. Because yeah this IS a good fight, but currently its painful to play rather than fun and as you said once the PF dries up this will be impossible for new players to actually play. I think its fine for the once and expansion unicorn to just not be good for PF like BA or DRS but they clearly want and should make more of this but like.... the formulas gotta change. Its a good start for the to experiment but I can tell you now that if its the same difficulty next time Im not coming back and Im sure some people who tried it now wont be back either. FYI for bonus btw, its garbage. Actual garbage. During the RANDOM BONUS TIME which can last a little as 2 hours from 4am to 6am your time and doesnt tell you what DC its currently on in game (yes you can use discord but it should be in game) you get.... 8 extra demimateria 1's!!!!! The catch is that they are randomly assigned to your party. So you could walk away with 8 demi 1's!!!! or zero. Likely you'll get 1-2 extra every clear but good fucking luck clearing more than once in PF. The rates on the hair, minion, mounts all might be boosted too but I barely noticed a difference so its pretty small. Basically if you want the shroud of darkness, farm during bonus for demi 1's. If you want everything else, go help newbies clear.

Aint no one gonna be in here in like 2 months like criterion. hope they get the point.

My DPS/Tank brain is scared but I want to learn healer And learn it well so I can be reliable ty for vid

This definetly wasn't for casuals and not sure why SE isn't providing much content for those who don't prefer raiding

I really enjoyed your analysis in this video! I don't know if I will ever even attempt this fight, but I do appreciate getting a look at what I'll be up against if I do. I do hope that you will be able to get the hair you want!

Body check reduction would make it easier to bring more casual friends into the content without the full burden of execution on them being responsible for the whole groups success. They really didn’t need to make the bait/ tower count as high as it is.

I really wish people would ask questions when they don't know how to do something. I don't know how they see the community to feel like they can't be seen as a weak link in content like this, but it needs to stop. Just ask and someone will probably help you if you are lost.

I'm still progging the fight. Phase 1, no problems. Phase 2? Haven't gotten far, but never because of something I did. But overall I like the fight so far. The biggest problem of this fight in the end is not the fight itself, but getting those 24 players. You can easily sit in a PF for a long time. People do come, but then, when you only have 1-3 spots left, people will start to leave. And when you finally do get the group, it often takes just couple of wipes for people to leave, and its back to square one. There's not much that can be done about this, but I do feel that in the high-end duties, before anyone can leave the duty, a certain amount of time must pass first, something like 20-30 minutes. My threshold for leaving is very high. As long as I have time, I'm more than willing to stay the full lockout, no matter how many times I wipe. But it also has to do with the fact that I don't want to be the first guy to leave when things don't work out. Everybody makes mistakes. Considering that this is the very first of this kind of content, I believe this was also a learning curve for SE. The towers should either require less people (something like 16 at most) or drop them in waves, not all at once. If it were like this, it would be more recoverable and it would still retain the level of difficulty.

I do believe that content similar to this could work, but the devs really need to go back to the drawing board and reassess some things. I have seen more toxic outbursts in the last week than the past 5 years I've been playing this game combined. And having had a 17 hour stretch between clears and dying to flares in P1 in a farm party, I've almost lost my temper too. This fight is unhealthy for the game, it's players and the community as a whole.

I agree with your points overall and I know you're frustrated with good reason, but the rdm hate was very specific and un-called for... all classes do bad shit sometimes... but you didn't call out any other specific classes and I'm sure others were just as bad ... why just rdm... are you insinuating something?...

Tbh they should never lock hairstyles behind bs like this to begin with. Mounts gear weapons np. But cosmetics no thanks. It's really stupid. I beat this once and have no interest to do it again. Especially with how toxic people can be.

Never been more happy to turn in 99 materia in my life

I freaking hate body check mechanics. It just seems so lazy imo and putting that shit in a 24 man? No thank you.

BIG AGREE on the level sync problem. why in the crap can we outgear savage but not this?? its meant to be easier than savage, let us outgear it! give us echo in a few patches! if its meant to be easier, let it be easier! square really aint thinkin

the all healers out strat doesnt work too well for a few reasons. if a tile drops out and two people spawn on the plats, they might be on the opposite plat from where they need to be. the outside ring might be covered in deathgoop, the boss might be doing a donut or a cross, the atomos might have just spawned so they need to be killed before you can get back inside, even once you get the portal buff to jump back in, it takes 5 seconds to send you in. the best possible case scenario of dying inside, getting rezzed out, and trying to get back in still takes 15-20 seconds just to get back in there. youve seen the fight, its ruthlessly fast. its really not that recoverable, especially not in PF. dont try to do healers out, just stick with aurellia, imo.

I praise them for finally releasing new type of battle content since Stormblood.

def seems liek good/interesting and challenging content (which is good) however, im glad u touched on this for a few mins in ur video, and thats' which plagues our community for awhile now - and its the toxicity/elitism/trolls of PF.. like u said, 24 man, means 24 chances for screw ups.. hell, its hard enough going into an Ex-Trial or savage, with only 8 ppl, and after a couple wipes, ppl leave and u're back into PF, waiting to fill, and again, like u said, u go back in, and its someone else making a mistake now, then another person leaves.. these ppl no longer have the patience required to do challenging content.. like hello, are these ppl not watching world races or ULT prog?! these ultimate raiders literally sit there and wipe to the same mechanics for hours, hours!!!! ppl were doing 16 hour days raiding, and get stuck on the same mechanic for sometimes days at a time,.. ppl think "oh its been cleared already, clearly its not that hard" and expect to go in there with a bunch of ultimate-caliber raiders... meanwhile, who u're actually getting, is the filthy casuals, who struggle in ex-trials, who only want the mount or cause its new content etc.. sure there are some savage raiders, ult raiders etc.. but being matched up with 24 randos, all trying to follow a very complex, meticulous and strict raidplan; All for it to go out the window as soon as someone dies, cause now the entire raidplan is thrownoff... all in all, its good content, and its an amazing game.. I love 14.,. however the biggest problem with 14, is its community.. and now im of the mind of, "do I want to go into this content, and sacrifice hours upon hours, subjecting myself to this troll environment that is PF"... and i struggle to find the commitment to do it thesedays..

I think it would have been a lot better if you could just jump across the platforms and the tiles. I think that debuff that prevents you from jumping is just a cheap way to make the fights “harder”. It was the same with p12s in phase 1. Pf is miserable for this. And I don’t think either the mounts or anything is worth the effort you put in it. Maybe when this can be done unsync, and if they allow it for it to be unsync. And yes, as it is right now there’s barely any difference in doing this vs progging a 2nd or 3rd floor of savage.

I think phase 2 is just too much, phase 1 is so so fun, and it feels so great dodging all the mechanics, while phase 2 having that swap ruins just about everything. I think if it was removed or replaced with something else it would be much easier for groups, but like you said, one person dies and the whole things ruined.

This rant was spot on! ❤

Hard raids are for less than 5% of the playerbase.I guess the good rewards are to try to force people into getting into content they won't enjoy. And that creates a lot of toxicity. Don't know what happen at FF14 development. They used to be the chill anti toxic mmo with good story. Now they are the toxic mmo with terrible story. If they don't change course I give the game 2 years before it becomes dead.

I got the mount on a roll. Im free! Actually no, still need the stuff we can buy from the MB, but no need to rush until the content is dead.

Amount of wipes is inconsequential. Time wasted us. 3 wipes is 10-15 minutes wasted just because people cannot do baby mechanics. It is very very frustrating. Fight is too simple to tolerate dumb shit. There is nothing fun in observing the shitshow of utterly clueless people who don't prepare and do homework for it. They clearly don't respect my time why should i respect theirs? And for the love of god ..there is no phase 3.

This raid has only made shit worse imo. If player moral and motivation was low before. It sure as hell is lower now.

I'm tired, boss.

Except in the case of the healers do not even have esuna in their toolbar. Lets be honest. Those healers suck.

The worst part was waiting an hour for the group to fill only to have some shit for brains leave or disconnect after 4 pulls then the group falls apart

A reminder that the devs play in 15 ms ping and never bother to test their game at the average rate of most users. I call bullshit on the difficulty between extreme and savage.

Yeah i wanted to give this a shot but being someone that has never touched a ex raid this just seems so far out of my skill range, plus all the drama i read about this raid. gonna just save myself the stress and stay miles away from this.

I have done savage and ultis pf since anabaseios and i noticed most ppl are realizing now how the community of this game is not diferent from any other game when is about toxicity :/ Also this fight bring me p10S PTSD uggh...the fight is fun tho but man...is 24man raid you cant give them individual responsabilities like in a 8 man raid yoshipls

I am embarrassed to say this is the fight that I learned what flare markers are. I only got to phase 2 twice, within the first 2 hours of release, before having to go to work. The general consensus makes me think I'd much prefer trying to rally my linkshell into doing this than PF.

I do any kind of raiding in this game and i hate this content it has much good ideas but is made for eternal suffering hope they change this

The experience is like any content in pf , sometimes you get good parties, and sometimes you dont. The fight is super fun, and i hope they continue to make new ones. Learning p1 blind on release was some of the best fun I've had in a while. I also really like how even people who dont raid have given this a try and even cleared. Have over 30 clears now and all in pf, so people will get better over time, i think.

You spend more time refilling the 1 or 2 people that leave each time than progging. Progged the first day and then suddenly lost all motivation the next day 🥲 Seems like it never got or will get better.

Happy New Year! Good vid!

I degened the fight for 3 days when it released, and got my clear, I now have 5 clears.

I guess I was lucky I cleared it in about 5 hours on the second day. I got in a group in pf with a great leader we stick all together till we cleared sometimes only 2 people needed to be replaced. We were all friendly and always watsch over the other that someone who doesn’t understand we could say him what he need to change 😊. It was very fun this fight and refreshing I loved this wish we get more midcore content like this 😊.

i havent finished the video and not sure i agree so far, this is reality not fantasy, pun intended. Men like myself live life on deathmatch mode, which incase you dont know is everyone for themselves/kill or be killed. i have no friends and dont fully trust anyone no matter how much time i spend with them including family. If youre lucky enough to have a supportive family/partner cherish it, but the sheer amount of men i hear about constantly being rejected, humiliated and insulted after opening up/crying/vulnerable etc proves to me there is still very much a good reason for men to be closed off emotionally and physically from society.

I think they will learn a lot from this first Chaotic raid. I am an avid fan of Delubrum Savage and Baldesion Arsenal. This is my kind of content and yet, I don't feel too enticed of doing it. I progged up to towers, and when I realized no one seemed to understand this mechanic and kept hurting my head into the same wall, I just stopped and played something else. I dont know when I'll hop back in Chaotic, but damn would I love to have a premade of at least 7 other people I know with me. WoD Chaotic just came out and I already want the next, most likely improved, second one out.

will say, as someone stuck on swap prog i'm still enjoying the shit out of the fight. My main issue is the people in party finder leaving after a single pull, prog liars, or pf descriptions saying tower/bramble prog, but get a level of toxic i've only seen in league ranked matches if we wipe at any point. Genuinely love the angle square took with this fight, but i see why people are frustrated/burnt out.