Oh, that's a bleep amount of road time, but the on-water video is lively and worth a couple replays.

Nice action clip enjoyed the telling of information while blasting

Excelente navegadas! Saludos desde Argentina.

beatyfull footage 👍

I wanted to start kitesurfing for many years but, honestly, the whole sport seemed frightening, inaccessible and expensive to my younger self. Many reasons for this but my point is that I tried wingfoiling first when I could afford to buy kit since it seemed much safer. Learned to ride it reliably in about two short seasons and then, finally, tried kitesurfing which I've been doing for about 3 seasons now. Just a week ago in Canaries I rented wingfoil kit since it was an offshore day which I don't do on a kite and, yeah, I'm never going back to wingfoiling... It is fun, don't get me wrong, but pushing against the water full force feels so much more natural to me than managing the height of the foil so that you don't jump out of the water, plus the struggle to pump the kite and generally how exhausting it is. With kite, when you learn it and choose the appropriate gear for conditions out there, you just go and come back in three hours. :D

How you guys keep control on this gear in those huge waves, amazing. Any tips on how to choose a good line through the waves, what to look out for?

Water looks gorgeous! Just got back from La Ventana and had a similar experience with the occasional spin out/unintentional jump on the awesome waves there - miss it already! Also Orcas have never attacked humans in the wild

nice run. and no kiters are disturbing👏

Totally agree. Though I am definitely Wingfoiling a lot recently, I still prefer wave riding on the fin and slalom fin sailing with a stable 30knots +. To me, Wingfoiling is just for the light wind so you can still enjoy a nice session. When there is good wind and wave, there is nothing yet to compare with fin windsurfing - the commitment, the speed, the attachment to the waves, is next level!

Oh I think I would have wanted to be on a freewave board and a wave sail. Some nice swell to seek out and play in. You guys certainly had lots of fun on the slalom style gear! 🙂

Nice one! The turquoise water against the grey backdrop of the sky and the huge yellow dune looks amazing 😍 looking forward to seeing more from you guys down there.

So on 9.50 you both fell. Was there a weird wave or gust?

So killer whales scare you and sharks don't? 😅

Hi, please make some "shotrs" video with speed sesions on those waves in Tarifa :-) Me and my family love also Tarifa. We went there on our trip from Poland to Gibraltar by car last year. Roundtrip ca. 7200km! I'm on my begining of my journey with windsurfing. I watch your and Mario youtube chanel from some time! Great job!

It's so rare to hear this kind of honesty. Thank you.

Orcas never attack humans in the open ocean. All incidents have occurred at aquariums. Latest behavioural analysis has shown that the group of young males seem to play with the boats, unfortunately sinking them in the process.

Great video. Love to see you in different places

It is January and I am watching this and wondering what would happen if you had some equipment failure so far out in the ocean wearing these spring short arm wetsuits... Winter suits for sure are needed this time of year, at least to be safer.

second ---- and jalous regards from cold Braunschweig to Tarifa.

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Never say never!! Wing foilers have hit 40+ knots so there is speed available with the right gear!

Never say never!! Wing foilers have hit 40+ knots so there is speed available with the right gear!

Thanks!

Wingfoiling in waves is rubbish. They sort of kid themselves they are riding the wave when all they do is shoulder hop. Real wave sailing on a wave board is so much more the real thing and closer to surfing than wing foil ever will be. And funnily enough in float and ride conditions it’s often too light for winging! Ask yourself why “foil surfing” is a niche and almost non existent part of surfing … it’s because any kind of foil on a wave is just crap except for swell riding on non breaking waves. The best thing I can say about winging is it gutted kitesurfing as much as it did windsurfing.

Hi, I'm having trouble rigging my Gastra Hybrid windsurfing sail. The sail has poor rotation. Could you provide some advice on how to improve it?

windsurfing will get more popular when they get rid of all this proshit and standardize mast sizes and sails so you just need less gear overall. LT is a good start for low to mid winds. Next step is to have standard sized booms and masts for normal freeride sails. Clearly 3-6m can all rig on the same mast if the manfuacturers really wanted it. - the pros can still get their own 5 booms for their 5 sails. also we need more hybrid boards. Really 95% of windsurfers just need the choice between a waveboard and a freeride board and maybe a board somewhere in between. all this shit is confusing and kitesurfer never had this problem despite there also being lots of varied gear. It is just accepted that some kitebrands have a better bar or slightly different board and it is what it is.

Whatever helps convince yourself.

Now switch, it's a command ☝️

You haven’t switched because you’re not gay. Winging is gay. It’s for women and wimps that Windsurf

How much do you weigh? How many litres over your weight is the big board? I weigh 66kgs so obviously a 'big' board for me is much smaller.

As J.F. Kennedy said: "... not because they are easy, but because they are hard..." I love fin windsurfing and won't change it for anything else because one of the things I love is how the whole body is trained by keeping control of the board and sail over the waves for as much as two or three hours non-stop. I love carving hard on jibes, I love pushing myself over my limits and feel everything hurts when I'm back on the ground and I share my feelings with my friends (GO LOCAL BREMA GO!!! 🤙). Ok, I love also passing over wingfoilers like they're buoys 😁 Honestly I don't think fin windsurfing requires so much equipment for an amateur, the most of times I pack the car with a Firemove 100l, a Salt 5.6 and a ACX 7.5 (with two masts, a boom and all the rest) and I'm ok from 16 to 27 knots; if the forecast is for light wind I go for the ACX 7.5 only and a X-Fire 114l and 14 knots are enough. Kite wires are too long, foils are too sharp... not my cup of tea.

What sail & wings? Woohoo 🤙🤙

Im still learning to wing foil and find it much harder to learn than windsurfing could be an age things now due to the balance aspect on the foil

You can windsurf when you get old, 70, 80, if you have a big board with light rig and steady winds up to about 20 knots. Kailua Hawaii is a good location for all wind sports, most days 10 to 20 side on.

I was pretty hardcore windsurfer for many years and was even building the boards, but I am now trying to go as fast as possible on a wing-kit with a chubanga kiterace foil and some race wings. Switching to seated harness even. It's quite scary to go fast but lots of fun as well, but the speed you can achieve in like 14-16kts of wind is remarkable. And you get to be on small maneuverable kit as well. I still want to go wave windsurfing when it's proper windy. But to be honest the windrange does suck in combination with the shit performance of most windsurfing waveboards.

Thanks Nils. Excellent video

Guter Mann, sehe ich 100% genauso. Warum Tesla fahren wenn man 400 ps Maserati fahren kann...Wingfoilen wird vielleicht mal später interessant wenn die Knochen mal nicht mehr so mit machen...

I have been fortunate enough to be exposed to wingfoiling, kiting, kitefoiling, windsurfing, and surfing as I’ve grown up. I started coaching beginner windsurfing at 15 and am now 29. Over the years I have coached all three wind sports and I absolutely love doing them all and coaching them all! I actively surf, kite, and wing foil now just because I don’t have access to windsurfing gear, but I have never officially “quit” windsurfing in my own head. I figure it is a skill I am glad I acquired and could return to it if resources and conditions align. I find it funny when people make hard rules about what wind sports they will and will not do from some arbitrary point in their progression. Can’t you just always be a developing waterman??😂 I’ve found it best to pick my watersports discipline based on the conditions/location. Great waves no wind = surf. Small crappy waves with good wind= wing. A ton of wind= big air kite. Etc. All of these disciplines have skills that help you develop across the board as a waterman. Granted, I totally understand a resistance to try new disciplines when the resources are simply not available to someone. Unfortunately, owning gear for one of these awesome sports is expensive and owning gear for all of them is insanely expensive! Coaching is a great work around for this fyi 😂, give back to the wind community and it will give back to you in gear availability/affordability. Good tip for anyone that wants to overcome that financial barrier to entry! There will always be innovation in every industry, I don't think you should look down on new trends/sports until you have the opportunity to try them fully. In my opinion, having a grudge against another sport taking the industry’s limelight is a wild reason to forgo experiencing the sensation of said sport. If we put commerce aside, riders do these sports to experience a flow state like no other that makes life incredible awesome in those moments that you, your gear (whatever it may be), and the elements become one. If riders (new and old) look at wind/water sports as a collective, ever-evolving personal and communal experience, they will keep themselves, and others, open to limitless potential in the space that these sports fill in each of us. Sorry to get all philosophical but I feel that it’s important to zoom out 😂

Innnovation in sports can never be bad.

ΚΑΛΑ ΡΕ ΦΙΛΕ ΑΠΟ ΤΑ ΜΕΣΆΝΥΧΤΑ ΧΕΙΜΏΝΑ, ΚΑΝΕΙΣ ΤΑΞΊΔΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΕΙΣ ΣΕΡΦ;;;

How can wingfoil be better than fin windsurfing in strong wind and good wave conditions !!

what's the logic about the fin? small is better for speed as it slows you down less than a bigger one but a bigger one gives you more control?

One important thing, you missed, age and healthy, I began windsurfing at 16, now I am 57, and windsurfing requires much more energy than wing, in fact I can windsurf about 1:30 min and then I am pretty tired, usinga the wing I can sail, 3 or four hours with no problem…….

after leaving my old 81 Tabou Manta in storage in the summer of 22, summer 2024, product delays kept me from a new Wahoo 600 foil and GA Vapor Air 8.5 & 7.3 October, so unexpectedly, last summer, the 8.7 / 81 provided over a dozen excellent fin sessions that had me wondering why I left the 81 Manta in storage in the summer of 22. I'll expect to update the model year with an 85, but while on wind foil I'm not yet dialed in for confident riding and don't have anywhere the average speed of 20 to 30 mph of the 8.7/81 fin set. The wind foil has proven to be very easy to drift and ride when the wind cycles down for ten or twenty minutes. When not powered on a windfoil, at about 5 mph, I'm a bit slower than the local Windsurf LT rider, and the local wingfoils are then all on their knees every puff trying to get back up. And it's usually somewhat choppy at the local spot when the wind is puffy. No chance I'm going to wingfoil at my local spot despite endless social recommendations to get one. Especially when the wind is expected to be steady, I've watched no video that suggests it would keep me away from the fin. I never see it happening that I want to be leashed to a windfoil board. I have a dozen kites and three boards rotting in storage like old produce. Not doing that again.

This is a good video, mainly for its heartfelt honesty. I have been windsurfing for close to 45 years now. It has not been full-on windsurfing over that time, as I had to go to school, invest in a career, family etc. There were many years I was lucky to go 1-3 times a year due to my obligations and the cooperating weather. For the last 3 years, I have been wing foiling 80% of my 60-70 sessions a year. Not really because I prefer it over windsurfing, but because my local conditions favor it. Just like you can't master windsurfing, the same is also true for wing foiling. I freeride windfoiled before winging, but I am into freestyle, not blasting windsurfing. When I switch back to windsurfing now, I realize how violent physically it is. Wing foiling is much more flowing. The real joy of foiling is dead downwind, where the wing virtually goes away and you are surfing the swell. Although, winging has canniblized windsurfing, it has brought people from other sports together (kite, surf, wake) and also from a generational standpoint this is very nice. I like that the wing appeals to more women than windsurfing. I do believe, it will decline in popularity. Downwind foiling, is taking away riders right now. As I said, the best feeling of winging is downwind, and currently, ditching the wing for a paddle, or a collapsible parawing allows the most pure form of this feeling. I feel foiling is here to stay. Look at windsurf racing. I know exactly, what you mean about the great feeling of windsurf planing, carving and jumping. From an industry standpoint, the current equipment landscape is unsustainable, and nobody can predict the future on how demand will shake it all out.

Like you I started to windsurf 12 years ago on a landlocked lake with very gusty winds close to Berlin. After 4 years on flat water I got to a level where I started with wave riding. And since then I don't know any better feeling than that! Unfortunately I haven't manage to move with my family to a good wave spot yet, so usually I sail in the waves on vacations. This makes around 20 days of proper wave riding in a year. And then during the pandemic when we couldn't travel anymore the wing hype started just right in time. I jumped on it with the idea to replace my light wind slalom gear with wings. I would second all the benefits of wing foiling you mentioned already. In the first season I enjoyed progressing every single day on the water. I came to the beach set some goal to learn and 1-3 sessions later I nailed it. That was incredible! But the real game changer was that wingydinging turned shitty conditions with ultra gusty wind and flat water into a beautiful playground. Out of the sudden I could jump on dead flat water, I started to learn freestyle. So I sold my slalom gear in the same season and realized that I had with foiling at least as much fun as with wave riding. So my boring lake became an exiting place again like 12 years ago! For sure the progression became much slower after a year. But then I took my wingidinging to a spot where I usually wave ride (on a windsurfer). And I realized that also there I could have tons of fun even in the smallest wind swell in light winds which I wouldn't imagine would be possible before. For me winging is a tool which makes poor conditions great again. It opens up so many new opportunities and you always can find things to learn. But most important is that since I started winging I became a better wave riding windsurfer. Just a very simple example - I'm 78kg and use only a 75l wingboard and that helped me to learn how to handle better my smaller windsurf board of 81l which became my one-fits-all conditions board (from 16kn till 45kn). This actually applies to any other water sport. Just try as much different sports as possible and you will become better automatically in other water sports. Since I started surfing I can select waves and choose my line while wave riding on windsurfer much better. Stay curios stay a kid!

As a Kiter Surfer who started off with Windsurfing - I say stick to Kite Surfing with over powered kites and insane jumps.

I think windsurfing handles the higher wind and board speed better than wing foils. Wing foil handles the lighter wind better.

200L Go Board with 10m sail is infinitely easier to plane in light winds compared to wing board, at least for beginners.