I suspected the correct kller pretty soon in the series, but thought rusty's son staged the scene. I was wrong on that one. I did guess it was a two-person 'job'
@thescreensleuthsКүн бұрын
Yeah we had the two-person but the wrong people ha. Earlier on we thought of the kids, but we put them on the back burner because if the sexual nature is the crime. That was obviously an error lol
@lisasimpson8895Күн бұрын
i foun the ending quite disappointing. looking back at the clues, i didn't see any.
@thescreensleuthsКүн бұрын
I (Chris) enjoyed the ending, but I can understand how others weren't a fan. I know personally the kids were higher on my list & we even say that Jayden is oddly in each scene, but not at the same time. But I wrote them off because I couldn't connect the sexual aspect of the crime. But after going with a 2 person theory it makes more sense. With that said... they for sure tiptoe around showing us the full picture to put her more solidly in the mix. But then again outside of Rusty there was really zero evidence ANY of them were guilty outside of us all assigning motive. I know Rob was much more frustrated 🥴 with it than me lol
@missrose31Күн бұрын
Whoooaaa. Your brain works in mysterious ways lol. Your theories totally makes sense.
@thescreensleuthsКүн бұрын
Thanks 😂 it's fueled by too many cans of Celsius ⚡
@estherblount6475Күн бұрын
Great theories
@thescreensleuthsКүн бұрын
Thanks!!
@JeremyWahabTechno2 күн бұрын
Was that not Ryan 1 and Amanda 2? As in Amanda from Jason 2s reality.
@thescreensleuths2 күн бұрын
Yes, but the show labels them by the order of appearance. To us viewers she is our first Amanda.
@JeremyWahabTechno2 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths thanks for clarification!
@Kripaww2 күн бұрын
Um maybe change the title to remove the MAJOR SPOILER 😳😳😳 I saw the finale as soon as it came out, but maybe others haven’t
@dimension96803 күн бұрын
Surely the authorities would have wanted to know what the hell was going on? They would have found the dead bodies all of the same bloke.
@thescreensleuths3 күн бұрын
For sure, that is all but certainly going to be an issue and in my opinion will alert the government to what is happening. It will be covered up and become a topic for a podcast about conspiracy theories. While other agencies begin to research what the hell just happened and maybe screw it up even worse. But for this shows focus that part isn't really as important.
@ColumbiaB4 күн бұрын
At 2:20, the narration identifies the Ryan and Amanda who encounter each other in the World 26 Seattle café as “Ryan[1] and Amanda1.” (“World 26” is the script designation the production team give to the utopian version of Chicago (and Seattle in the republic of “Cascadia”), as explained by the author/showrunner Blake Crouch and executive producer Matt Tolmach, in a Collider Interviews video posted a month ago. Those world-numbers simply identify the consecutive order of appearance that each World first makes in the show.) I gather that Screen Sleuths identifies that Amanda as “1” simply because she’s the first Amanda we encounter. I understand the approach, there, but I think it’s a bad idea, because it’s likely to lead to a lot of confusion. In this case, calling the Ryan we see in that Seattle café, “Ryan1”, makes sense, if he is indeed the Ryan from the World of Jason1. (This assumes that it was the utopian World 26 that Jason2 stranded Ryan1 in, and he, Ryan1, has since made his way out from Chicago to Seattle.) But does it make sense to call the Amanda who was native to the World of Jason2 (AND was his girlfriend!), “Amanda1”??? That means we’d be calling the therapist Amanda that Jason2 starts seeing professionally, “Amanda2” . . . even though •she’s• native to the World of Jason1! I think it makes vastly more sense to identify all individuals native to a particular World by the •same• number (assuming we see more than one version of that individual). That consistency will make it far easier to keep it straight just •who• we’re talking about.
@thescreensleuths4 күн бұрын
I understand your point, but the show labels them by order of appearance so that is what we went with. And honestly I think the majority of people understand that approach. Plus the Audio Description subtitles which Apple provided uses the order of appearance, so it would most likely cause more confusion if two different methods are used when describing the characters. Regardless of which method used the fact still remains these two characters meet in the utopian society, which in the end is really the only part that matters. 👍🏻
@nicks.60545 күн бұрын
Not seen your video yet, but to me the main suspects are Rusty's kids.
@jonmopao89665 күн бұрын
SO wrong weren't you? anyways, points to how good a show this was.
@thescreensleuths3 күн бұрын
Definitely wrong about the guilty person for the attack, but happy that the 2 person theory ended up on target. Yes this show did a very good job of misdirecting to other suspects!
@antcarrjr5 күн бұрын
WHAT?! Season 2?!?!?!?! 🤯
@thescreensleuths5 күн бұрын
Yup. New case!!! 🕵🏻
@Juju-cq1np6 күн бұрын
I believe the prosecutor is a possibilite, but there is the guy who was elected, he would have political reasons for this. My bet goes to the pair of boys, Carolyn’s son and Rusty's son.🎉
@thescreensleuths6 күн бұрын
Could be. What do you think his motives would be? It feels like the only real motive is passion, whether that is anger from the families for ruining their lives. Or passion for her leaving. Tommy, Nico, Dr K don't seem to fit that bill, at least not against her. Unless they were also in a relationship...
@kc27457 күн бұрын
Bravo, sir. I agree fully with Tommy and the medical examiner. I think Raymond is a spicy option. With the book and original film as inspiration, the play on words with the title all along is that the real killer is presumed to be innocent. A child of course would be presumed to be innocent - but the series definitely wants the audience to see the motive of Carolyn’s son. I could see the father covering up for him, but no real motive for the father if they had been divorced for seven years. It also doesn’t explain how well they left the crime scene. But the same could be said for another one of my theories. Back to my point - my two bets would be Raymond or Rusty’s daughter. I don’t think there’s much of a dominant reading for them to be assumed as guilty, so they’re presumed innocent in every sense. I can share more if interested.
@thescreensleuths7 күн бұрын
Interesting choices! 🔍 I can't wait to see his it plays out. Thanks for the comment!
@tributesmediaco7 күн бұрын
Tommy killed her and the dr helped him cover it up because they both have hate for rusty and they both have knowledge of the bunny murder. Only the Dr I heard say F you
@thescreensleuths6 күн бұрын
I dont think Tommy did it, but they could be using this as an opportunity to nail him because they hate him. However that seems a little harsh even for them. Eugenia tells Tommy to "go F himself" to his face when they talk in Tommy's office, so who knows!! We will know soon though 🤯
@stringerb7297 күн бұрын
It was the wife
@thescreensleuths7 күн бұрын
Just the wife? 🕵🏻
@jabbasnutsack8 күн бұрын
5:55 "we have very clearly sterated to assume" Say what???
@thescreensleuths3 күн бұрын
Just a bit of a stumble there 🤣 but thanks for listening
@daveclark83378 күн бұрын
How is it after 7 hours the audience still has no idea who Carolyn Polhemus is/was as a character and therefore have no idea who else might've had reason to kill her? The book is 500 pages long, so they should've been able to tell the whole story in 8 hours without leaving Half of it out.
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
I guess we will find out next episode 👍🏻 since season 2 is a total different case.
@loladiaz35348 күн бұрын
Don’t discard Tommy. Somebody ready mentioned that that fire poker left t Tommy is NOT the murder weapon
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
So why leave it?
@loladiaz35348 күн бұрын
Def 2 people Or Rusty 2 personalities 😮
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
Hence our 1 & 2 😂 but Barb & Kyle isn't bad...
@eileenbyrne74748 күн бұрын
Rusty’s son.
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
Him alone or combo? Seems unlikely it would just be him, it could be a similar situation to our #1 but with Kyle & Barbara.
@eileenbyrne74747 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths thinking twist. It should be the mom, right but maybe the kids. Daughter then brother helped stage it and clean up. Totally guessing! Enjoying the series and your vids thank you
@thescreensleuths7 күн бұрын
@eileenbyrne7474 ohhh my a family affair 🫣 can’t wait! Thanks for the support!
@eileenbyrne74747 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths only other person not suspect…Nico! Close enough to control. Put a stop to Carlolyn HR complaint and revenge against Rusty and Raymond.
@eileenbyrne74747 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths only other thing that made me think the kids….Tommy’s open window. A kid could climb through that.
@lauriestonehaskell16878 күн бұрын
I completely agree with your first choice of dual killers.
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
I'm (Chris) really torn between 1 & 2. Rob has a really good theory with the Caldwell's, but Rusty is my 1a lol Can't wait! 🕵🏻
@radhasathyanarayan17477 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths I think the ex-husband said they had been divorced for 7 or 9 years.
@JankyandSpent8 күн бұрын
Great video, keep dropping videos
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
Thanks! 🕵🏻 That's the plan!
@saltus33678 күн бұрын
It was Eugenia. She had an on and off affair with Carolyn, who will be revealed as bi-sexual.
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
That would be wild 🤯
@estherblount64758 күн бұрын
Your number one is the same as mine. Good review
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
Well, fingers crossed 🤞🏻for next week! But they did a great job keeping us guessing to the end! Thanks for the support as usual! 🕵🕵
@sandraolson86359 күн бұрын
Excellent commentary.
@thescreensleuths8 күн бұрын
Thanks! So who is your best guess?
@estherblount64759 күн бұрын
Excellent review, you help me understand and think differently about some things. Thanks
@thescreensleuths9 күн бұрын
Thanks! That's the best compliment we can get! 🕵🏻
@mulaneyfangirl10 күн бұрын
I love that the episode played backwards, with the toy shop employee being questioned and the yakuza lady coming back early for a new pinky because hers was damaged in a “work” accident (when Suzie stepped on it at the junk bot fight) 😮
@thescreensleuths10 күн бұрын
Agreed! But at the end of this Masa is still such a big ❓ his motives.
@dthomas456612 күн бұрын
Season 2 will be Amanda and Ryan trying to find Jason, because of a break in the causality loop. I envision the other travellers not being able to use the ampules and finding each of in the null space( box hallway) The only way to stop the breaking of the multiverse, would be to have the family go back home.....just a fan fiction take on season 2
@thescreensleuths12 күн бұрын
I don't think they can ever fix it, because the choice to fix it would branch into a choice to not fix it. And they can't ever meet in the corridor, which is specific to each traveler(s). However I can see Ryan & Amanda being a lead part in S2 & how the box has caused a fundamental shift in society. They could do something really fascinating with it all!
@parnellfinkley620613 күн бұрын
I think Barbara did it and her son came to bring her some stuff to help clean and stage the crime scene. I also think the difference in the tying up has to do with a left handed person or they know how to tie specific knots. And I think Carolyn’s ex husband took the pictures of her and rusty but convinced her son Rusty killed his mother to get him to lie.
@thescreensleuths12 күн бұрын
Hmmm interesting 🤔🧐
@liset138314 күн бұрын
At first I thought it was Barbara because she seems to be too calm , right now I think it’s Tommy. Tommy seems to be jealous of Rusty in many ways. For a split second I thought about the kids being involved, more so Jayden but don’t think it’s them. It could have also been Rusty but I don’t think so either. Rusty definitely has a lot of rage but don’t think he might be the killer. I just hate having to wait a week for an episode. I have been watching the series back to back since it started🥴. I think the killer might be the person we least expect.
@thescreensleuths14 күн бұрын
I (Chris) think Tommy is too on the nose. We have been force-fed the fact that Tommy is jealous & socially abrasive. I am leaning towards it being Rusty, he may not remember, but his rage, his total obsession with her. I think Tommy sucks, but not the killer.
@davidbonner901115 күн бұрын
Its the kids
@thescreensleuths15 күн бұрын
That could definitely be it! It's anyone's game now. 🕵🏻♂️
@missrose3116 күн бұрын
So glad I found your channel!
@thescreensleuths16 күн бұрын
Wow thanks!!!!!!!
@mulaneyfangirl16 күн бұрын
Your insights are wild! I never even get close to thinking of this stuff. Love your brain!
@thescreensleuths16 күн бұрын
Thanks as usual! This show is definitely right up our alley. Hopefully we are at least 50% right 👍🏻 😂 Thanks for the support as usual 🕵🏻♂️
@missrose3116 күн бұрын
If Maasa was trying to fake his death and purposely didn't get on the plane, do you think he hacked the airplane and caused it to crash? How would that guy have known what shoes he was wearing?
@thescreensleuths16 күн бұрын
What caused the plane ✈️ crash is a great point, how did he know that plan would work... I think he knew about the yellow shoes because Suzie said it at the "tear meeting" with her MIL.
@missrose3117 күн бұрын
I gotta admit, I wasn't really expecting to like this show 😅 but it totally does feel like Severance-- which I LOVE-- and I can't wait to see more Sunny. The still frames from the opening scene are helpful-- interesting perspective that the guy may have just fallen.
@thescreensleuths17 күн бұрын
Another thought is that he was the one saying "I love you" and he was diving to protect the homebot on the floor 😵💫
@missrose3116 күн бұрын
Oh whoa-- I never thought of that. I mean, it does sound like some of these people have very intimate relationships with their bots 😳😶😅@@thescreensleuths
@thescreensleuths16 күн бұрын
@missrose31 lol 😏
@missrose3117 күн бұрын
Does anyone else think Raymond was poisoned? Maybe his wife is in on it-- she's very protective of Barbara. What do you guys think, @screensleuths?
@thescreensleuths17 күн бұрын
Hmmm 🤔
@liset138314 күн бұрын
Yes by Tommy.
@missrose3117 күн бұрын
I hate that I can't just binge this show-- the suspense is killing me lol. Nice video!
@thescreensleuths17 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@marca588317 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure the son wouldn't of be able to tie his mum up like that but some nice theories dude💚🇬🇧🌱
@thescreensleuths17 күн бұрын
I (Rob) agree with you. The Michael theory is just a very popular one across the internet and we wanted to take the moment to address it and discuss how it could potentially be possible. Who do you think is responsible?
@miadelavier431519 күн бұрын
but she wasnt missing, she went to seatle.
@thescreensleuths19 күн бұрын
We don't know what happened to Amanda from that reality. The Amanda we know A1, says she may go to Seattle.
@k-em4jp19 күн бұрын
I think Rusty was there but isn't the killer. The trauma of being drunk and helping cover up her murder - he blocked it out.
@thescreensleuths19 күн бұрын
Maybe. Could be a Dr Jekyll / Mr Hyde sort of situation. Me may not know what he did and remembered what he wanted to...
@rick_terscale111120 күн бұрын
"Do The Boxes Stay" There's no mention of the boxes manifesting themselves in the other realities, but it appears that is indeed what is happening. For example the box wasnt built in Jason 1's world, but there it is when Jason 2 comes through. We know that the box remains once it has manifested. It doesnt disappear, otherwise they would be trapped in the reality they enter as the box would be gone. People in each reality will question what it is and even try to move it. As per example when it ends up on the freeway, people would see it as it is in quite an obvious location. They would question it and try to move it out off the freeway. And would that mean that another box would manifest itself in exactly the same location if they were to return? Or now that there is a box in that world, regardles of which geo position its in, would they come through the box at whatever location it is in? From what we're told by the characters, it's only Lavender Fairy that allows them, and them only, to enter Super Position and traverse the multiverse. But the box is doing the same you could say. A box gets constructed out of thin air. I wonder if an explanation for this will come in Season 2, if it comes. I would have thought that it would have made more sense that they could only travel to realities where the box had already been built. So no box, no access to that reality. We've also seen that they don't need to be in super position to enter a reality. Once inside, and door closed, their thoughts/minds are the controllers, as we're informed by the characters. Therefore if someone discovers the box and enters into it, closes the door and reopens it after the 3 minute lock period, they could end up in an untoward reality. What would be cool is if the box doesn't enter a random reality when the curious discoverer of the box isn't in super position but instead goes to the last reality entered by whoever was in the box last. That way they end up in the world where the main character(s) last exited and they have the hope/posibility to try to get in touch with them to find their way back to their reality. That would make a great story for season 2. But having said that, there was an episode where they open the door without being in super position (the drug having worn off) yet they still see a different reality. The writers could explain that as, as Lavender Fairy is already in their system the residual drug is enough to allow them to still have access to control the one and only door that is in front of them. Therefore any random stranger discovering the box and entering in, as they have never injected Lavender Fairy and thus don't have any trace of it in their system, closing the door and opening it would only take them to the last reality. Or more simply, it could mean that they can only exit back to their own reality. There are lots of thoughts and ideas to play around with.
@thescreensleuths20 күн бұрын
A lot to cover there, from what I can tell I agree. Except for the part where you don't need your drug. If you go into the box without it nothing happens, you cannot achieve superposition if your brain is observing. So if someone walks into the box without the drug active in their system nothing happens. If the drug wears off while in the corridor you end up in the last place your mind took you before the drug wore off. So they were thinking of Blair 2 and they ended up there I think we are in agreement 🤝 with the rest lol Great comment! 🕵🏻
@gottagotomoes505621 күн бұрын
What happened to almost dead Leighton?
@thescreensleuths21 күн бұрын
They could use him in a S2, but I assumed he just died. Or ran out of ampules and was stuck somewhere.
@TwinFlyDSW22 күн бұрын
Interesting colour choices of the clothing in the cold fusion world. Notice Ryan in the lavender coloured cardigan. Could it be a subtle hint that this Ryan does not belong? Could it also be the whereabouts of his double are unknown in this world which is why Jason2 left him there? This would allow him to also assume his doubles identity similar to Amanda2.
@missrose3123 күн бұрын
Ooooo. I like the new mystery suspect, because they do seem to give her quite a bit of screen time!! I've been wondering what role she's going to play in everything 🧐
@thescreensleuths20 күн бұрын
Hopefully we find out more tonight!
@TVTheories23 күн бұрын
My sister thinks Rusty figured it out that Tommy maybe involved at the end of the episode. My first theory is Rusty did it by mistake and his wife helped him clean up the murder. Or, Tommy broke-in Carolyn’s home and attacked her and Rusty, but Rusty woke up and called his wife to help him clean up and stage the murder scene. Rusty’s wife is too calm but also adamant that Rusty didn’t do it. She also wasn’t shock to hear about Carolyn’s death.
@missrose3123 күн бұрын
She really is calm, isn't she?! Didn't Rusty say to her once something to the effect of, "You need to take some ownership in this, too." 🤨🤔
@thescreensleuths20 күн бұрын
But why would Rusty not say anything about Tommy breaking in and killing her? All his secrets (it seems) are out in the open, why not just tell on Tommy?
@TVTheories20 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths I forgot to include in my theory that Tommy snuck in and hit both of them over the head.
@thescreensleuths20 күн бұрын
But Rusty remembers leaving? So when did the Tommy attack occur?
@TVTheories20 күн бұрын
@@thescreensleuths You are missing the theory. Rusty woke up and noticed Caroline was dead and he called his wife to help him stage the murder scene. Tommy snuck in or was already hiding in home. Rusty doesn't know who attacked them, he just woke up and Caroline was dead.
@boristeplitskiy763224 күн бұрын
But see there’s a big loophole that I couldn’t stop thinking about when watching episode 9 and seeing all the Jason’s. Shouldn’t at least some be accompanied by Amanda??? I don’t buy the “oh if I join you it won’t help you find your home bs”. Jason 2 was traveling through the multiverse like the flash and returning to Jason 1s world while having visitors!
@BabyJVCT21 күн бұрын
No. If he was with Amanda their is no way he would have found his way back to his reality
@boristeplitskiy763221 күн бұрын
@@BabyJVCT how? Jason 2 did it with people who had zero experience. There’s no way Jason 2 is simply telling them, clear your mind and then we are good. Jason 1 couldn’t do that though. It doesn’t make sense
@thescreensleuths21 күн бұрын
@boristeplitskiy7632 I agree that the likelihood that J1 could have found his way back to his reality with Amanda is incredibly low. She cannot focus on a place she has never been & she never cleared her mind. She even alluded to this in their final dinner scene & with Blair2 asking her what reality she wanted to find. J2 only traveled 2xs with people that were awake, once with Leighton & once with Ryan1. So with his experience being much more extensive this would make sense. I think Amanda was keeping J1 from getting home without even knowing it until the end. But she did help J1 by telling him he needed to go much deeper into his feelings, not the surface level stuff that could pertain to countless other similar realities.