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Yeah no problem, it only took a few shots from the front few horse archers to hurt the the hoppers , they are T3 and no save on them.

Yeah I did a bit of tier list for fun before the tournament , you might see the High Elf lists here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZeWl3acrtSMsMU

@@CreakyGamersfantastic. Thank you 🙏🏼 keep the awesome reports coming!

Yeah , not how I wanted to play , but at 1500 points I made a mistake by noy having any real combat punch .

Yeah it would have been better if the tomb swarms could have charged a different target , then they could have opened up a charge lane for the giants. But I wasnt sure how they all charge if the first unit blocks the other units , anyway we worked it out on the day.

@CreakyGamers I'm actually slightly interested here...technically they can't charge unless tbe charge is possible. But although they can never make it with the swarm they COULD make it if the swarms wiped on the fanatics so I think they could declare. Love the videos BTW

Yeah I see your logic , but the swarms had to move first so they could open a charge lane for the bone giants.

Yeah the rules are clear about minimum wheel and most direct path when charging But , there isn't anything in the main rules to help with multiple chargers , leaving room for each unit , they move at the same time , what if one unit blocks another etc , it can get messy. We did look up the rules and couldnt really find any help in there at the time. 😟

Skirmishers don't maximises they start with the closest and charge the nearest model. Then do the rest of the models until no more can make it into combat. All of the others models use their charge to start forming ranks and if they can't make the distance they die.

So many dodgy rules writing errors by classic retarded GW, again

​@@CreakyGamersI think you handled it perfectly 👍 its exactly how I would have ruled it

Yeah there was a lot of variety in lists , but hopefully the throne of skulls restrictions means we dont have to worry about dragons in lower points games.

Oh well , you can always skip ahead like most people do, I amuse myself.

@ it’s through out, but dealing with it so far. That said, make yourself happy.

I love hearing some Arnie. Reminds me where I'm from (Austria) :)

It sounded like Napoleon Dynamite at first 👍🏻

@@johnshank5136 that was the first one

The unit that falls back in good order gets a free reform so they can just turn 180 dgrees , redress their ranks etc. I know it says they may pivot , as this is easiest way to just turn them around , but you could just do a 180 degree about face or just reform the unit how you want. I wouldn't get hung up on the word pivot and moving models , pivot is not a manouvre, although I see people do it a lot , it's not a listed manouvre , but a unit could reform into any formation as long as figures dont move too far. It's never been a problem in any of my games except when people do pivots but I dont really care as reform does the same thing , it's just easier to pivot and say they reformed. We dont need to over complicate it , as long as people dont try to take advantages.

@@CreakyGamers I think the rules are written that way to prevent linehammer units to exist... you are not allowed to du a turn when you reform and you need to stay true to the fact that no model may move more than twice their movement even during a reform. That is explicitly stated in the rules AND the FAQ. Linehammer is clearly not the intent from the game designers... but I understand there are allot of people that seem to take it that it is. Reform allow you to make a pivot and redress the ranks into a desired formation and that is it. The rules for moving twice the distance till apply for reforms. The same goes for redressing the ranks... you must adhere to the same rules. In order to know how far a model have gone you essentially need to understand which mode move the furthest. You take each model from the back rank and put it in the front and do one on either side until you expanded all the models. One will have moved the furthest. You will find that at some point you can't expand. It gets even worse when you retract, if the unit is too long you can't. The rules clearly state that the command group is in the centre of the front rank so you must expand around it. The only normal ways the command group move is when you reform or turn the unit, the rules quite clearly mention this. In addition to some other rare occasions. All of this clearly mean the intent is not to play this line hammer people are doing all of the internet and competitions. In my opinion it is against the intent of the game designers. I mean, people can play however they like as long as everyone agree. But linehammer in the extreme as we have seen will unbalance the game quite allot.

I really hope they do something about linehammer and Dragons etc....

@@CreakyGamers Yes. triple saves on big monsters can be a problem, more so for some factions than others. Some factions deal with it just fine and others simply don't have a good counter to it.

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Yeah I think they can do OK without the screams.

Yeah the Squig hoppers did well , and I just realised I forgot they have impact attacks too , oops.

@@CreakyGamers OMG, that is totally greenskin play! Been there myself with Vamps and HiElves with regards to forgetting special abilities. I am so glad Warhammer will never be perfect because of... us players. preview.redd.it/89opq1ycr4b31.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=64194212913449891b040c6c8bc64d4ea07f6d21

Yeah I had to look it up. It looks like they use their random emovement for any type of movement. So yes they go 2d6 or 3d6 etc. "Models with this special rule do not have a normal Movement characteristic. Instead, a dice roll is given (2D6, for example). Whenever a model with this special rule moves (for any reason), roll the dice to determine how far it must move. Models with this special rule move during the Compulsory Moves sub-phase. They cannot march or declare a charge. They can wheel to change direction, but cannot perform any other manoeuvres. If the model is able to make contact with an enemy unit during the Compulsory Moves sub-phase or whilst pursuing, it may do so and counts as having charged. The model aligns against the enemy unit and stops moving. A unit charged in this way must Hold."

@@CreakyGamersit is 2d6 always plus swiftstride if you have it: When a unit makes a pursuit move, pivot it about its centre so that it is facing directly towards the enemy unit it is pursuing and make a 'Pursuit' roll. To make a Pursuit roll, roll 2D6. The result of this roll is the distance in inches that the pursuing unit moves, directly towards the unit it is pursuing.

But the random movement rules contradict that ?

@@CreakyGamersi would swing that the pursuit move itself is from the “pursuit roll”, not a movement roll relating to a characteristic. Swiftstride also says it specifically adds to the “pursuit roll”.

Ok cool , I shouldnt just belive everything everyone tells me int he middle of a game. 😬

Thanks , it's contrast Iyanden Yellow with Yriel highlights.

Thanks , I'm hope you had a good Thanksgiving!

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Thank you! Cheers! 👍

Thanks! They really did come in clutch! Sometimes they do their job.

Thanks 👍

Yeah , we dont mind sacrificing a few boys for the cause 😟

Thanks, will do!

Yeah well, hopefully he's been busy painting his army and we will see him at another event.

Good stuff , they are great fun 👍

Yeah the boys will hopefully bounce back next game 😁

Yeah , I dont know what I was thinking , I needed more combat punch. We had to submit our list 3 weeks before the event , as soon as I submitted my list I thought the NG shaman was a waste of points , oops😳

I look forward to see the evolution of the list if you are going to play it again. Also where does your orcs archers models come from? They look great!

They are highland miniatures. Yeah I did enjoy the 40 Arrer boys , they look great on the table. I think at 2000 points I can have some more combat support , they will be back 👍

Yeah we lacked a bit of combat punch to deal with the Peg Knights. The boys did their best.

You would think so , but the Pegasus riding characters have 360 degree line of sight 😳 because they count as skirmishes.

Yeah I painted up some and based them for old world but I didn’t like the look of them so I stole their shields for my arrer boys. 😬

Thanks , yeah they were looking good until they ran off the table 🤣

it's the skirmishers part. 360degree charges so you can't avoid them, outmanouver them and they can just march over everything and then charge it in the rear the following turn

Yeah I think it’s a different game for them , one side is playing 360 degree charges like in Age of Sigmar , the other side is playing Old World ranks and flanks 🤣

@@sclarke6969 I don't know the current rules but I'd make them very Rare (if that's still a thing with troop choices) and double the points cost.

Why do people play a 'war' game then whinge when the opponent has a 'competitive' list, its lame and weak as hell. Embarrassing actually 🤦

@@punchyMiddleEarth Hahaaaaaa!!! Winning isn't everything for most people. There's much more to the war "game" than that. You'll learn as you grow up.

Yeah exactly , we need some muddy ground 🤣

Hehe , day 2 hangover 😵

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