Now we've had Mr Leg on the show, I'd love if you'd collab with Rata at some point

42:45 Been plugging an idea I've had whenever this question comes up An addition to the Forbidden/Limited List: the Exclusive List Cards on the Exclusive List cannot be played if you also include certain other cards/archetypes in your Deck/Extra Deck. It targets certain card combos/synergies that make a certain card oppressive when they would otherwise be quite tame. For example, Rhongomyniad can be legal if you don't also play Six Sams, Phantom Knights, Gossip Shadow, or Numbers Evail. Baronne can be legal if you don't play Synchrons, Centur-Ions, or Wakaushi. This way, rogue archetypes don't suffer the sins of outside archetypes abusing these rogue decks' boss monsters.

Some rogue decks are really underestimated. Like dinos, Dinos going first can put up boards even snake eyes cant break lol no cap. Some rogue decks are better left alone imagine making dinos more consistent😭😭😭😭😭

Longer, more conversational episodes are always appreciated, especially when they are on a topic that can get as deep as you want to get (like this one).

my favourite rogue deck is Nemleria. It's such a unique concept thematically. I adore that eepy lil girl.

This and the last episode are 100% two of fav in this series! Excellent discussions with fun guests and insightful looks into the dif aspects of the game

No Upload on Spotify 😢

The dune reference from Josh was my favorite part of the entire video lol

Hey love the content just here to tell you guys you forgot your upload to Apple Podcasts which is my main platform form of choice because of work thanks

invite funni balkan man next time? mr. rata

What I see is Joshua endorsing Farfa being scared of playing x Kanak's BW, but in an apologetic way.

Where’s the upload to the podcast apps guys ???

josh please stop keep talk too much and leaving the guest silent

Hobbies and professions are two different things. Josh doesn't even agree with these basic things. What are you talking to him about? He has completely become a slave to Konami and a fool

Josh is just a Konami dog, and according to himself, there are no professional players in this game, so he is not either. So what is his job? A poor streamer

I made my blue eyes deck better by adding a snake eye engine, am I doing it right?

LONG EPISODES ARE GREAT

I dont like erratas, but functional copies works better than retrains in mtg so maybe konami could take a page from their playbook there instead of doing what they did to future fusion, which could have just been banned until the game caught up to it. Instead they let cards go way past the catch up time or errata it after a ban just to unban it

I highly doubt this guy knows anything relevant to yugioh

Was Farida that giga chad who played paleo tear @ Josh’s tourney?

Nice to finally see Hardleg here! I love that he is both known for playing rogue decks and also campaigning against maxx c, nothing hurts those decks more than the bug. My favorite example is libromancer, that deck doesn't do anything crazy, but has to summon 10 times to do anything and has no plan B. Same thing with Ghoti, if you get hit with maxx c in the opponents turn now you have to give the opponent a lot of cards or just lose immediately. BTW, please invite distant coder to talk about interesting rulings and judging Yugioh matches, that would be another interesting perspective for the podcast.

Loved this episode, genuinely didn't even notice it was 2hrs long

The most fun I’ve had on MD climbing with rogue has to be D/D prior to Spright and Runick release. The amount of optimization, routes and options kept it interesting throughout.

Believe 1 of the main issues with trying rogue decks is to always compare or try to emulate generics endboards of historical best decks, instead of actually explore and to work towards the actual philosophy of the deck. My personal experience recently has been working Tistina, and when trying to create multiple disruptions yeah, the deck at the moment it just cant, however when focusing in the idea of just getting to flip your opp field and control from there, it operate masively different, understanding it works better as a boardbreaker deck instead of a create 10 disruptions, you will get better at the game and compete at a reasonable rate. Therefore when trying a unexplore deck, just try to aim at what the deck was build for and not generic endboards that may or may not be able to create.

This is awesome

I’m all for two hour podcasts but me not a fan of skipping a week 😢

MADOLCHE MENTIONED 🎉🎉

“I am guilty of one card combo decks” No shit. How else are you gonna win a tournament? This isn’t a you problem, it’s a game design problem. Power creep is so out of control, the current game (not even meta) barely even resembles the beginning of the same game.

hardleg👍

I've been waiting for this! Hell yeah brothers, proud leggo here. 💪 great to see. Love it

This episode feels like Josh forgot there was even a guest on, and spent his time shadowboxing against the imaginary opponent that Konami wrote in his QandA script.

I like the 2 plus for guests. Gives them more time to talk

So this does have me curious though. What's everyones fave deck currently? Fpr me its the most reviled deck ever made according to everyone i talked to. Floo. I just, love that theyre cute birds though. The fact they annoy and peck at meta mechanics though is a bonus. Especially in modern meta ive learned the value of Scary Sea forcing normals and Snowl putting things face down for material rejection. But overall, i just think they're cute

Joe asked Josh for some Paleo coaching and coming on the podcast was his fee

Took a sip of my coffee right at 52:40 and I almost spit it out XD ROFL valid response Josh! Keep up the good work guys!

solfachords are unsalvageable

I like making hybrid decks. I put centurions with the new raizeol cards and they have good synergy.

2 hours of Paleo propaganda

In terms of podcast length, I'm happy to listen to it in parts so the longer the better really, as long as there's interesting questions to answer and you guys want to keep going, make it as long as you want! 😊

Hardleg and Josh are the shit 👌

Where Spotify?

The new ice barrier cards I feel are one of the best examples for rouge decks ,they do something original and it's fun

Great Episode

HERO players assemble!!! I'm going to clutch Master 3 with HERO again it's so broken, follow me on twitch @elidsage

Its really odd that something as unplayable as ursarctic is their go to example for a rogue deck. Choose something like Fluffal which is a good deck held down by some critical design flaws (fusion deck so no 1 card combo, big engine so few handtraps). If fluffal gets to play it actually makes some impressive boards. It just has a winrate tax due to bricks and a suboptimal handtrap count. This is how I view rogue decks. A deck that can do something really well but is too bad in certain areas to have a winrate that justifies playing it in a tournament. Sure someone could top with a 50/50 winrate deck by just winning the coinflip often enough but not many will try when they can play a deck that with enough skill reaches 80/20 odds.

On the hypothetical about the pot card, if you can call S;P it's pretty decent almost all the time.

About the rogue classification my takes are: -A rogue deck HAS to have a thoughtful reason to be played in a specific format. For example: even if Phantom Knight is inherently a cohesive archetype if you show up with it in Ishizu Tear where you would expect no GY availability, you're not playing rogue, just a bad deck for this specific format. -"Being able to win vs meta" is not a thoughtful parameter. Especially in MD (bo1, Maxx C) if you have a critical mass of good staples you may do well even if your main engine is trash. That being said, this is how I view tiering: Tier 1: the best perceived decks in the format. Tournament results are crucial for evaluation. They should positively answer the question: "Do I expect this deck to do consistently well against everything I may find if I play optimally and I'm not killed by variance?" -Tier 2: as HL, I do like to make this distinction. I don't want to throw into the rogue purgatory decks which have a realistic shot of topping a ycs. They are decks who need to answer: "Does the surprise factor plus my confidence at playing the deck make up for suboptimal consistency and ceiling?". -Rogue: they follow the previous criterias. They may have a surprisingly good matchup against some tier 1/2 decks while they have some mild issues against others. Of course by running them in a competitive environment you hope to find more good MUs than bad ones which comes with a consistent risk to be killed by variance or incorrect meta takes. To summarize they do answer positively the question: "ok you are a madlad, is it still worth it to bet on this all things considered?" Anything falling under those is just casual, wishing for extremely positive rolls or just not caring that much. Which is understandable, but not from a competitive standpoint.

I played runic dragonmaid in the master duel xyz synchro fusion festival.

I just play Crusadia, is it still considered rogue?😂

so what i did when i made my speedroid deck is that i stole it and then played it until i noticed what felt bad and started changing things