Miguel isnt right either, everything he inforces is based purely on a guess at what caused the collapse of one reality despite it being wrong What happened to the canon events of the earth without spiderman? That universe isnt collapsing, new york isnt a nice place in that reality but that doesn't prove miguel right What about the canon event of gwens earth? Her dad retired and that canon event was distupted but nothing happened. So far at worst 1/3 times causes the collapse of a reality, so miguel has decided that atleast 2/3 times that canon event of trauma should happen for no reason

The thing that makes for a good villain, a compelling villain is that small seed of sympathy they plant in an audience, "with these circumstances anyone could reach the same answer", "maybe the ends do justify the means", "they have a point" when you can connect to your audience on some level you are able to create a compelling character sure at the end of the day we'd like to see good triumph over evil, we want to see the hero win but at the same time when a villain comes in direct opposition to something that feels unjust or something that people struggle with, you think ofc you could feel like this is the answer cause you've been left with no other options but there are options you just couldn't see the other answers at the time and now you're too deep to take a different path the ends don't always justify the means and what makes a compelling hero in a story like this is one that argues that the ends don't justify the means and doesn't just face the villain but face themselves and the circumstances that created the villain.

Miguel ain't right

Okay I’m probably not actually gonna watch the video, at least not right now, but I’m 90% sure that we don’t know if Miguel is right We do not know if canon events are an actual thing or if he’s just trying to rationalise what happened as “it was inevitable, I couldn’t do anything to stop it and it’s all my fault, that version of my family could have lived if I just stayed unhappy” Cuz it doesn’t actually seem like it works the way he describes it Like spiderman India’s universe couldn’t have had its canon event interrupted because that event was the result of the spot, an outside influence, coming in and messing with things, and miles’ universe and universe 42 both still exist despite the fact that things definitely didn’t happen the way they were supposed to, why does miles inherit a different miles’ canon events? He just SEEMS right because that’s the only frame of reference we have right now Also, I don’t think tai lung can be considered right, not because he’s wrong, but he’s not actually really making a point? If anything tai lungs situation is more of a “shifu was wrong, and tai lung is suffering because of it” The only character in the thumbnail that could be considered right is death

And for that one Austrian painter...

After watching this video, I'd like to mention Garou from One Punch Man; because he is a villian that takes all these concepts, ideas, & solutions and cranks it up to 11. He is a villian, not an anti-hero but he is also the most human character in the story, there really isn't another villian quite like Garou.

19:08 that transition😲

Nah, why the *FUCK* does your thumbnail have Spiderverse Miguel in it? He wasn't right about a goddamn thing, he's just a sad-sack piece of shit who'd get clowned on by every other version of Spider-Man for getting their whole deal so wrong.

Honest critique, the analysis is wide as an ocean but shallow as a puddle. The fundamental thesis is made cloudy and weak by how far it has to stretch due to the breadth of topics and an, at times, haphazard tying thread of Beowulf. The thesis that i get from the video is "sometimes villains are written in nuanced ways and aren't completely wrong", but thats just like... really vague and leaves the video largely directionless. To make the video more compelling a simple answer is just to make a stronger, more specific claim that allows you to actually dive deep into the subject and say something.

Silco was right but his methods were wrong,he is responsible for half the bad stuff that plagued the lower city Meanwhile vander had a much better method that kept the 2 cities relatively peaceful

TWO VIDEOS IN ONE MONTH WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE RETURN OF SCRAWLSSSSSSSSS :DDDDDDDDDD

Miguel O'Hara is not right. Miles Morales exists in the Spider-Man insomniac universe. He claims there is no miles in any other universe, clearly he hasn't talked to Peter Parker from insomniac

"have i ever told you the definition of insanity?" 15:25

Dracula is a villain but i dont think he is right, alucard had a way better answer to punish the people responsible. Instead dracula decides to wipe out everyone whether they even knew what happened to his wife or not?

Talking about this topic and not mentioning Majima from lycoris recoil is criminal

Lmao doofensmirks being used in this video caught me by surprise. 😂

I don't think death is a villain at all, he's an antagonist but he's not evil. He didn't immediately end puss because he wanted to give them a chance to be better, he doubted it but ultimately he still followed those rules

Video completly falls appart when it starts with death, the character who admits he is in the wrong and that is not supposed to k1ll anyone but just to take souls and that only gives up when he doesn’t consider chasing puss fun.

so i am the villian

What many fail to understand is that there are two sides to every story, look at Shrek 2 as an example There is essentially an entire world that exists outside of the one we’re all shown and familiarize with, all of these inhabitants have their own passions and desires but they’re locked into the role they’re forced to be Heroes can only be hero’s to one side, the other side they’re seen as the villain! It’s only a matter of which side wins that decides who the hero and the villain are!

Star wars the empre was in the right.

at max volume and your still quiet.

8:22 why did you bring up that ripoff, instead of the real movie!was it as a joke? Or was it because of copyrhigt reasons? Or both?

Miguel is totally the villain, clear cut. He is wrong about everything. He places all the blame on every other spider man when the entire series is his fault because he tried to do what Fisk was trying to do: Use dimensional travel to take back his dead family. He was the first to travel to another dimension and the first to kill another dimension. If he hadn't done what he did, Fisk wouldn't have ever detected the alternate dimension, never would have killed Miles' Peter Parker/Spider man, never would have brought the spider from alternate miles' dimension, never would have started the domino effect of faltering dimensions.

I'm usually the only villain not in fiction that's usually right but still a villain. I'm only a bad person because I'm showing you how I don't want you to be and what it feels like to be treated how you treat others. I show you your weaknesses so you get rid of those weaknesses and improve.

Syndrome from the Incredibles is another villain I feel is sorta right, or at the least justified. He met his hero and his hero tossed him away like garbage, in theory, he wanted to level the playing field, but he still acted in a villainous manner and thus needed to be stopped.

As children, we root for the heroes... as adults, we understand the villains.

Don’t even get me started with Meriuem from Hunter x Hunter some people don’t even identify him as a villain because of his character development. Gosh just me think about him and koumgi makes me tear up 😭

The problem with a lot of the 'he had a point though' villains is when they're also depicted as massive hypocrites. Silco's a great example, for all his talk about freedom for the Undercity, he traps the people of Zaun in a cycle of poverty, violence and addiction with Shimmer, cuts backdoor deals with the same Enforcers who beat them down and keeps the Sheriff in his pocket, and scapegoats and murders the Firelights who try to actually protect the downtrodden of Zaun. Even in the way he dresses and speaks with pretensions of class and elegance, you can see that as much as he hates Piltover, he also desperately wants to BE Piltover. With Miguel the tragedy is that while I'm certain he believes the whole Anomaly, Canon Event order of the universe, we have ONLY HIS WORD to go on that this is how it all works, and there are numerous clues that Miguel is ... just actually wrong, and what's happening isn't what he thinks is happening, in which case all of that enforced suffering was for nothing.

They weren’t right, they were murderous monsters

To me the question has never been whether the villain is right. Almost every position can have an argument made for it, and I mean upwards of 90% of them. The real question is where is the line? Where do you draw the line on the actions. All of these(yes including Miguel) villains go beyond what could be considered the 'normal' boundary. It's one thing for Grendel to break up the party that is significantly disturbing him, but its another to march in and murder everyone over just a party. To me the line has always been this "Both the actions and the ends must justify each other". Dracula was right in accusing people for the death of his wife, but he goes way to far, saying all humans are evil and moving for grand-genocide. Miguel claims this whole "Predestination" bs, but is proven totally wrong by the end, where he's wrong in the idea that simply saving a single person causes reality to tear apart. A villain can have a point, but what makes them the villain is that they totally lose the point they had. Tai lung could have gone off and become a wandering kung fu practitioner, but instead he attacks the valley, then attacks the person who denied him. Similarly Grendel went beyond merely just some average attacks, Grendel had no issue with killing people on the thousands, and that mother of his, she let him rampage for a long while, but when he got hurt due to the constant rampages, she blames the person who was called in to deal with the issue, rather then on the person who was killing on mass. I don't like the idea of saying the villain was 'right', as it often leads to people trying to excuse their behavior. Rather, I'd use the wording "When the villain has a point", the villain can still be wrong, but they can start from a completely logical or moral conclusion.

Death isnt a villain, he's an antagonist. He isnt evil, he's a part of nature, and although he's sadistic, he doesn't hurt people for the sake of it, he's an important part of the cycle of life.

Here's my theory with Miguel! In the movie, there's a line that stuck out with me when Miles is being chased on the going up train thing. "You're an anomaly! The FIRST ANOMALY!'" It might not exactly be that but Miguel calls Miles something along the line of the original or first anomaly, and that's when I knew. All of this, canon events, the Spiderverse's delicate state, everything, is Miguel's fault. I bet canon events and shit weren't even a thing until Miguel completely destabilized the Spiderverse by trying to do something as drastic as live in a dimension he doesn't belong. MIGUEL Is the "First anomaly" that is the cause of all of this, it's why he works so hard to keep order. He did this, it's his responsibility to fix it no matter the cost. But that's why he's so angry with Miles. The kid is not only trying to defy fate like Miguel did, but I bet Miguel doesn't just know what he's doing is fucked up but that Mile's dad would never be set to die by fate in the first place if he wasn't the original anomaly, so he projects that onto Miles. He's so guilty that this kid's dad has to die because of his actions, and numerous kid's dads have died because of him that thanks to the stress of the situation Miles is causing, Miguel can't mask it anymore, he's too stressed, his attention is too split. We see that man fully break down, we see it on his face when he's slamming Miles' back against the train and going on the unhinged rant about how everything is Miles' fault in his ear. That is the breakdown of a man who knows he is the cause of everything and is trying his hardest to convince HIMSELF that it is Miles' fault.

Villains aren't born they we're made

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Magneto is a great example of a villain who is correct, even though he wishes he wasn't. He always wished it was Xavier who would be correct, but time and time again, Magneto was the one proven right, not Xavier.

Villains who have good intention but do bad things are always the most interesting ones

Riddle me this Viewers Young & Old, "When is the Villain NOT Thee Villain??"

Imagine using the castlevania Netflix show as anything other than an example to ridicule

Reminds me of the "sympathy for the monster" video someone did reguarding shin godzilla

Magneto?

Talk about bills parents

Isnt the whole point of Miguel that he thinks hes right but has completely lost himself?

donquixote doflamingo once said: "The pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout history! Kids who've never seen peace and kids who never saw war have different values. Those who stand at the top determine what's right and whats wrong! This very place is a NEUTRAL ground! Justice will prevail, you say? Of course it will! THOSE WHO WIN THE WAR BECOME JUSTICE!" We later find out how he's the epitomy of villainy, Evil Incarnate. He experienced gut-wrenching downfall from the top of society to the damn streets stealing bread. And he takes his anger out on the peasants who treated him for his former status. Yet we see he does this because of his mentality. He thinks he's a victim of society's cruelty, so he has a reason to be this evil, right? WRONG. There is one other person who experienced the same thing he did, yet still became a good person. His brother, Corazon. He kills his brother to raise a kid with an uncurable disease, but the kid heard everything and understood he's gonna be used if he trusted doffy. He asks all the time on why sciety pity's the poor, yet dos nothing about it. He made a "family" of pirates only to use them without them being self-aware. His business as basically a drug lord left a nation shattered like meth in the 90's. He used to run a slave business placing innocent people into slavery. He used a member of his "family" to turn probably half of the nation which he usurped the OG ruler from, into TOYS. LIVING TOYS. They dont even remember thier past lives, nor do the people that knew them remember them either. His evilness ruined lives and impacted millions around the world, and yet the government turns a blind eye because of his status as warlord.

They primary danger of sympathetic or tragic villains is conflating explainable, understandable motivations with justifying or excusing their crimes, thinking that just because they were wronged, the wrong they do doesn't matter, that they're "right" to do what they do, no matter who gets hurt. It's the same deal when heroes are intended to be virtuous, righteous and moral, yet their perspectives are unintentionally flawed and lacking nuance or wisdom, they're just "right" because the story says they are, creating dissonance for the audience.

What about magneto?

If you try to fix society and the forces of nature force you into getting your goal through murder And everyone calls you a villain then that is what you are and you continue your quest

my favorite trope with villains being right is when they are right up until the last point. when they get all the information and come to almost the correct conclusion, likely something almost identical to the hero's ideology, but that has just been twisted slightly so its the worst version of that line of thought.

3:20 yes yes Oh My God The fact that I'll see some people say without a hint of irony "Death is an antagonist not a villain! Hes a force of nature 🤓☝️" Like did yall forget the part where he said he was breaking the rules by ending Puss early and taking pelasure in tormenting him or...

Bro, some of these are antagonist, not the same thing.