As someone living in Spokane whose family had worked at Hillyard Depot, I'm excited to see updates on this project!
@jggutierrez96 күн бұрын
When are you going to start selling the cork?
@MRBenchwork9 сағат бұрын
It’s listed now! Www.Mrbsupply.com
@jefferykeeper903418 күн бұрын
Here's a idea screw the the riser to the road bed first from the top then clamp the Straight edge on that way you don't have to hold the part when you're under the layout.
@MRBenchwork14 күн бұрын
I can occasionally do that but the risers typically do not line up correctly due to the distortion the slope causes. This is particularly problematic on curves.
@kevinsharp632319 күн бұрын
Be interesting to see the end product with the track laid. Good video, crisp clean woodwork.
@JeramySpurgeon25 күн бұрын
Hey Ondrew! As I'm getting into O Scale trains, I've stumbled onto your channel. Glad you are still getting to work on train related projects. This layout is really impressive. Nice work by you and Dennis!
@FearsomeWarriorАй бұрын
I followed the bench being upgraded and remember the mismatched and open drawers. Thank you for this follow up. Looking forward to seeing new shop!
@MRBenchworkАй бұрын
I’m very much looking forward to showing you. It’s amazing how a few little differences can make the whole shop feel different. There’s no windows in the new shop for example so I have more wall space. I also left behind some shelving and such so I’m really getting a chance to rethink some things.
@allenrobinson975Ай бұрын
nice work shop
@MRBenchworkАй бұрын
It's a work in progress but it's getting better all the time. I look forward to showing you the new one.
@michaelrostine1315Ай бұрын
I'm surprised I haven't seen this one. I would like to see it completed.
@MRBenchwork28 күн бұрын
I will be building a big brother to this layout very soon (10x15 roughly) and will be documenting the process through track installation and delivery.
@scotabot7826Ай бұрын
Thanks for all the work and funds you put into this test. Very good information. I appreciate it very much. Thanks!!
@MRBenchwork28 күн бұрын
I'm glad you found it helpful.
@mattw96672 ай бұрын
Fantastic design. The only thing I'd point out is the locations of the two short tunnels in glacier park. They should be on the point of the river (below the AR in PARK) and just before the loop as these two hard points are where the rock is forcing the river to go around. The geologist in me coming out.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Great feedback. I'm making some pretty significant changes to the design now so I'll be sure to adjust this.
@dwhonan2 ай бұрын
This is a fascinating project -- congrats on being awarded it, and I look forward to seeing more updates! Who knows, maybe someday there will be an opportunity to visit in person since I also live in WA. I am curious if you have concerns about the mainline being routed through the diverging legs of turnouts in so many places. I count five instances in Newport, one or two at Wallace (depending on whether the first or second track from the aisle is the main), one or two at Great Falls, one at Kettle Falls (on the roundhouse side of the scene divider), one at Northport... I stopped looking at that point. Even if these orientations are prototypical, are they in the best interests of an operating model railroad where reliability will be crucial, especially on such a large layout where maintenance must be simple to avoid becoming overwhelming? Is adhering to prototypical orientations necessary when continuity compromises clearly have been made elsewhere? One example of such a continuity compromise is Newport, where the main enters on the GN from Hillyard, swings through the interchange onto the Milwaukee Road branch to Metaline Falls, then punches through the scene divider and reappears on the GN main in Whitefish. To address both the geographic discontinuity and so many diverging turnouts, would it be possible to shift the Newport scene a foot or two to the right so the GN main could wrap around the back side as a hidden track instead of stub-ending in the backdrop? Then it could connect directly to the long bridge scene and the Whitefish trackage, thereby maintaining progression along GN trackage, and Newport could be a standalone switching area for the Milwaukee with a GN interchange. Please don't think I'm trying to Monday morning quarterback the design you've collaborated with the client to develop. Clearly there are dozens, if not hundreds, of hours already invested in this amazing project. As a civil engineer with a background in railroad alignment design, my intent is to inquire whether potential hazards have been considered and mitigated, with the end goal of ensuring the best possible layout gets built for the client's long-term satisfaction.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Honestly I appreciate the detailed feedback. I'm working with a few limitations, most notably my lack of detailed knowledge of the area (I grew up in Chicago) and my client's preferences for locations and the order they appear. I've been working on this plan for over a year now and I've learned a lot but I'll never be an area expert no matter how hard I try. That said, I'm actually redrawing this layout now and reordering the towns (think grand loop from Spokane to newport by way of butte) so perhaps this new version will address some of your concerns. As for which direction the mainlines are traveling through the switches, provided the switches are of good quality and installed properly, there shouldn't be any issues. A lot of concerns for derailing trains on "backwards" switches comes from a time when model railroad track was a little more prone to issues with quality and adherence to proper gauging which is mostly a thing of the past for the better quality switches made today. Additionally, while this entire layout is drawn with Peco, in a lot of cases the switches will be swapped with FastTracks hand built switches which should further improve reliability.
@dwhonan2 ай бұрын
@@MRBenchwork sounds like you have a plan! Glad to hear that modern turnouts are more reliable; I'm in the process of designing my HO layout and plan to use Fast Tracks as well. (Professionally, though, I still avoid running "normal" moves through the reverse leg as much as possible!) Looking forward to the next update.
@KandWRailroader2 ай бұрын
Those VLL's can ve a real bear! LOL
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Ohh yeah. I'm over a year into this design process and then I actually have to build it. Further complicating things will be that it will be LCC and setup for future JMRI. It will be a fun but difficult challenge.
@KandWRailroader2 ай бұрын
@MRBenchwork Fascinating career path you have sir.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
@@KandWRailroader It's been a weird 14 year ride so far. Honestly I had no idea I'd end up on this path.
@KandWRailroader2 ай бұрын
@@MRBenchwork Well not many of us can say that they were able to turn their beloved hobby into a job, so congrats to you!
@Eyrrll2 ай бұрын
That first (spiral) layout could be kind of a death trap in a fire situation. Only one way in and out, and hundreds of feet to run. The spiral needed to be broken up and/or reduced.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
That's the purpose of the redesign aside from making it more inline with the prototype. Obviously we're not rivet counting here but the new versions of the layout are easier to get around and more inline with what was real life.
@fredmorck84202 ай бұрын
Fantastic and ambitious project!!!! Wish I had the space!!! Maybe, LOL!! FYI: Copper mined in Anaconda and Butte was hauled to Great Falls for smelting. Great Falls, to my knowledge, had no mining operations of its own.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
With genuine honesty, I'm moving to a new larger shop in part so I have more room to build this layout. It's enormous by any standards and more than I'd want for a personal model railroad but I will enjoy the heck out of building this for my client. Thank you for the Great falls Smelting info. That helps me understand what was going on a bit better than what the historic aerial photos do.
@ApartmentRR2 ай бұрын
This is a layout I have day dreamed about! I can’t recommend the Great Northern historical society and Pacific Northwest railroad archives. They were able to get me files of the blueprints of the Spokane great northern depot with no charge or membership (although that quickly changed).
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
I've used that resource a few times for this project. It's frustrating that a lot of things are paywalled but they have to keep the lights on somehow I guess. Getting the track maps for Wallace in particular made things a whole lot easier.
@RichmondTerminal2 ай бұрын
Going to be a significant undertaking to build a layout of this size and scope. I hope your client is willing to share his or her progress with you, to share with us.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
I will have some limitations for privacy but I am told I'll be able to fully document the build itself and I intend to do so, hopefully with weekly videos.
@philipciaffa66432 ай бұрын
Very impressive project and informative tour. First opportunity to view RailModeller Pro design software. Well researched! If executed, would be interested to see videos of the local towns and yard modules, as you build out.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Railmodeller Pro just keeps getting better. It's not perfect by any means and it's missing some features other software has had for years but they keep plugging away at it and honestly it's a joy to use. I'll be sharing the build process for sure.
@johnpandolfino86632 ай бұрын
Great looking layout.....should be fun going forward
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
I think so too!
@terryreidstahly2 ай бұрын
This could not have come at a better time I have been struggling with how I was going to glue the cork roadbed next week for my layout. So easy and so fast I would have never thought of this and have asked many how to do this and nobody has had an answer. Ondrew you are the greatest keep the how to do videos coming they are super useful for us non professionals.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Happy to help. I too found cork to be super frustrating to figure out how to install until I tried the stapler.
@terryreidstahly2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
My very first super comment. Thank you!
@terryreidstahly2 ай бұрын
Excellent video I went ahead and ordered the Rubyfluid, oatey no 95, Peco PL-41 and heat shrink electrical tape. Thanks Ondrew keep the how to’s coming they are very helpful!
@BarnLife12122 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have 0-32 too 0-47 curves. What curve switches do I use? On the other side I have O-47 to 0-54 curves. L shaped table I'm trying too start.
@KandWRailroader2 ай бұрын
Well, I guess if you've just got to have a layout and you really have no other place to put it... Impressive engineering.
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@vanmanny692 ай бұрын
I would use white glue diluted 50/50 with water and a bit of isopropyl alcohol added.
@J2NscaleModelTrains2 ай бұрын
What’s the minimum curve radius on this bigg’un?
@MRBenchwork2 ай бұрын
I don’t actually know on official level, but I think most of them were in the range of 36- 48 inches.
@J2NscaleModelTrains2 ай бұрын
@ wow that’s plenty big enough to run even the stiffest wheelbase brass, that’s always my biggest concern
@MrDavidredd2 ай бұрын
I,am hoping to try and implement this building method.
@NemesisEnforcer49373 ай бұрын
Awesome site to see. It amazes me just thinking how that bridge was built.
@JonBanquer3 ай бұрын
This is a very helpful video that's extremely well done. The quality of your work is also superb. I do wish you used dimensional lumber like 1x4 pine. I prefer it over plywood. I'm old school and prefer L girder construction. Your videos show a true love and gift to the model railroading community. Respect! Jon
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. It's taken a long time to get to where I'm at and I'm honestly still learning and finding new tricks and techniques. I'm glad KZbin has provided the opportunity to share all of this with others as I believe the journey is just as important as the end result. I very purposely do not use Dimensional lumber for a number of reasons but it's pretty easy to copy most of my techniques with dimensional lumber, at least the nicer stuff like clear pine or hardwoods. For me it's all about ease of use, dimensional stability and really cost, as Lumber that's not garbage quality usually ends up being more expensive than a sheet of Baltic Birch plywood ripped into strips. As for L girder, It's a great method until you have to move a layout or someone leans on it in the wrong spot so generally I'm not a fan.
@JonBanquer3 ай бұрын
@@MRBenchwork Your hardwork and constant striving to be better has paid off in spades. To anyone paying attention this is obvious... even if they love L girder construction and pine it's impossible to ignore. You certainly deserve continued success.
@kylelabinski58293 ай бұрын
Can somebody else order that layout and buy it?
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
Of course! We’d be happy to build a copy or a slightly modified version for you. Email us at: [email protected] for details.
@mjf10693 ай бұрын
Question for you? I see this layout has a bridge that lifts out to allow the operator into the center. Do you have any videos, (I searched your channel but could not find) of a lift gate build?
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
I do not have a video on the topic as lift out bridges tend to be finicky. There are however a few companies who make lift out products so I’d recommend those before making your own. Lionel makes a removable bridge that’s 40” wide if I recall. It’s super expensive but it’s reliable and sturdy. Trainlayouts.com also offers a lift out hinge kit that can be used with their bridges but the bridges are a bit more fragile so keep that in mind when choosing the type. If you do go with them however please let them know I referred you as I use their products often and it helps.
@derekalexander40303 ай бұрын
That was a huge layout. I liked what you pointed out that they didn’t cram a bunch of track in all the space and left that open space for scenery. Most of us don’t have that luxury of space but it sure does make for a better layout.
@MichaeltheCrank3 ай бұрын
That is really an amazing layout.
@JeramiahDooley3 ай бұрын
Well now, that's a pretty awesome looking layout you are working on there...
@Camping8143 ай бұрын
Awesome, I noticed the shortage of cork when putting together my Christmas Wish List for this year. I can't find HO cork anywhere.
@plunkervillerr15293 ай бұрын
At last, a substitute for me mammie's choc chip cookies.
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
I am truly confused by this comment.
@johnandrus39013 ай бұрын
Very interesting. The roadbed looks real nice and seems easy to work with. I’ve been debating on putting foam down on my layout and possibly using cork on top of it for my mains. A new idea here, for sure. Thanks for the info on this line of cork. An excellent video, for sure.
@uptownphotography3 ай бұрын
Well explained. I will have to try that double bend technique you demonstrated. I am getting ready to run a bus wire and feeders on a fairly large ( 400' main line run) on a HO mountain RR. I used to do this back in the day a on a DC layout w/block controls. First time doing a DCC config. Thanks. (I subscribed also).... Phil Jersey Shore Area
@avlisk3 ай бұрын
I can add another product that has served me very well: DAP230 clear latex caulk. All you need is a little and it holds very well, and is flexible enough for wide temperature swings. I've reused Atlas and Peco flex track on several layouts over the years. Sliding a putty knife between the track and the cork and it comes right up, with little to no appreciable residue to scrape off.
@GlenMoffat3 ай бұрын
Have you tried Mat Medium? it frees up with IsoPropal Alchol if you need to adjust/remove change but otherwise creates a pliable (sound reducing) yet firm connection between rail and subroadbed. tack down with pins or with pins and then simply eye dropper over the ties down the center of the track and along the outside edges. You can thin it down some maybe 50/50 but you can also pre-wet with ISP and then it creeps in under the ties. Other benefit is if you need to lift/alter track simply soak it in ISP and wait 15-30 minutes and it will lift off. (Check out the Boomer Railroad videos)
@vic51953 ай бұрын
Hi Guys. I like the change up in your format. Something different. I was surprised that the Liquid Nails Project preformed so badly. Is Liquid Nails Project the adhesive people use on foam insulation board? Do you think your results apply to foam board?
@derekalexander40303 ай бұрын
Thank you, that was a great torture test and I was surprised by some of the results.
@billkraemer47104 ай бұрын
You do have to watch the power grab as it is an electrical conductor until dry…. I thought I has a very High resistance short one mad afternoon of track building.
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
That’s good to know. I wonder if it’s just due to it being water based or if there’s something else in it that’s conductive.
@blaketatar12394 ай бұрын
Liquitex Matt Medium is hands the best. Mod Pog is similar.
@jimmclaughlin81954 ай бұрын
I'm curious about your "standard" method of fastening flex track down. My praactice has been cork roadbed with the wayer proof ooad be, followed by at least 72 hours dry time. Then again the waterproof (ok "water resistant wood glue0 un top of the cork, together with track nails through the flex track ties and cork every 12 inches or so into the substrate, I don't remove the track nails the way yu describe removing the pins. Being retired, I have the spare time to wait around for adhesives to seiously cure. You guys doing it as professional layout builders may not have the time luxury I do.
@MRBenchwork3 ай бұрын
We use a 1/4 crown 1/2" staples. It allows us to install several boxes of cork an hour. Adhesives do work great for cork but as you correctly assumed, it's an issue of time. Also, adhesives have the major drawback of making changes a real PITA so it's just not a practical solution to secure cork with adhesives in my view.
@vincenthuying984 ай бұрын
Dear misters Benchwork, cool to see how you did this test. Am curious on the adhesive of which you said it kinda works like concrete. Might be a cool way to keep the cork as flexible as possible, which will certainly help retain its sound deadening properties. Just for reference on the PL Max Premium; is this caulk or adhesive a polymer based product? Don’t know if this will help but most polymer based caulks can be finished with ‘security cleaners.’ Over here in the Netherlands I most often use the Zettex version. Such cleaners are often available with polymer caulk product ranges. Although it could be that regular building supply stores don’t carry ‘m. Specialist supply stores most likely will carry these products. In the automotive sector similar polymer products are used, as well as their finishing products. Cheerio
@JohnHill-qo3hb4 ай бұрын
I use 50/50 water Mod-Podge matte.
@MRBenchwork4 ай бұрын
I'll add that to my list. How do you go about applying it? Any preferred technique?
@GlenMoffat3 ай бұрын
@GlenMoffat 0 seconds ago Similar but more likely easier to get version of what I mentioned above using Matt Medium
@nfordf4504 ай бұрын
When it comes to gorilla glue I’ve never had good luck with it. At first it’s grate. But about a month or 2 later it comes off. My 2 go to glues for track is elemers wood glue and there glue all. The wood glue is fantastic and does hold plastic well. I’m in a humid climate and build N scale in a shed that’s exposed to high heat and bitter cold 100f- -10f through out the year. The water I know will loosen the glue all. But the wood glue will hold after 48 hours of drying over 70f no problem. If you want to prove me wrong go ahead. But if I was building a layout to last the test of time and wanted the track to be repairable if the worst case scenario happens. Then Elmer’s wood glue would be my top choice as I’ve always had the best luck with them. I’ve never used caulk on track tho
@MRBenchwork4 ай бұрын
I have to agree, regardless of the product under the gorilla brand, I've just not liked any of their products. As for wood glue, I'm willing to retest it so I'll keep it in mind. This was honestly a fun test to run anyway so I'm looking forward to doing it again.
@JackOnTracks4 ай бұрын
You missed Dap Alex silicone. I've been very happy with it. It holds and the easy to lift the track out of when it's dry if you needed to make a repair or modification to the track plan.
@MRBenchwork4 ай бұрын
Not including silicone was an oversight. I should have had at least one example within this test. I'll add it to the list for the next one though.
@JackOnTracks3 ай бұрын
@@MRBenchwork plus its paintable
@anthonyshipman36114 ай бұрын
Hello, a popular glue for laying track here in the UK is copydex which is a latex based, solvent free, water based glue, which dries clear and the track can be taken up using a palette knife and reused. All the best Anthony.
@MRBenchwork4 ай бұрын
I looked it up. It's available here in the US so I'll add it to the list. Cheers!