What we have is one guy doing everything he can to play one shell optimally vs one guy goimg everythimg he can to play one loadout optimally
@onfikСағат бұрын
*In his signiture voice* "Hey how's it going everybody? It's your boy, Delightful Kissboy!"®
@TheKailife12 сағат бұрын
Learning Stats from School: Cringe Learning Stats from Delightful Kissboy: Based
@iidoyila_live_3 сағат бұрын
lol, in " jesus painting the world " , the kid has the biggest hand since they are holding the cocoa ... and then jesus has an even bigger hand to put around the kids. very normal.
@obganiationstudios3 сағат бұрын
man i can’t imagine trying to get to a million against freakin wayne dude, it took me like 8 months against the dealer sob also content suggestion; have you considered using the music from mike’s album tango circuit?? my friend said (apparently) it had some scrapped buckshot osts so it might fit the vibe as well?? you’re pumping out videos so fast i don’t even have time to watch em all @o@
@delightfulkissboy89263 сағат бұрын
Hadn't heard about that! Will have to check it out 👌 Thanks!
@Cristian-kr8xq3 сағат бұрын
Interesting video. I think its a bit unfair at the beginning because the dealer ai is not programmed to start the next loadout in a multiplayer game, so it doesn't matter if the last shell is live and he has an inverter he would not use it because he thinks that no matter what he does the player (wayne) is gonna start the next loadout i think, great video as always
@delightfulkissboy89263 сағат бұрын
Yeah, definitely an unfair matchup, but that was part of the point I was tryin to make. Understating that starting the next loadout is often better than dealing 1 damage would be part of a player's skill, so supports the idea that the game is less RNG-based than it may seem 👌
@iidoyila_live_3 сағат бұрын
if you look again at " merging plane jesus' " eyes, they're not horrifying, they're glitchy but cute, almost like girly . the only bad take you've ever had , DKB . I'm all for it!
@audiosurfarchive3 сағат бұрын
1v1 having 4HP fixed is so much more interesting and hype, no BS instakills just about, well highly unlikely. More skill expression for sure.
@madddd14 сағат бұрын
Karma caught up to Wayne for flexing by double inverting a live one in round 7. You get what you deserve, nerd.
@audiosurfarchive4 сағат бұрын
EDIT2: I was mistaken but a lotta 3 and 4HP rounds, 40% 1st round 4HP and those were the best in my opinion. Still a lotta 4HP rounds over all, i didnt check every round individually yet
@delightfulkissboy89263 сағат бұрын
I didn't, wanted to keep the default settings for this vid since that's what most ppl will be playing with 👌
@audiosurfarchive3 сағат бұрын
@@delightfulkissboy8926Ah interesting, well it was 4/10 1st rounds with 4HP and the rest with 3HP which is neat. Lotta 4HP rounds in general it took me a while to see even the first 3HP round at all.
@audiosurfarchive4 сағат бұрын
I really should've played last MP event, but I am very shy and hate how my voice sounds.. I joined the Discord and all but I dunno what to do, or who to talk to..
@KingArttu3 сағат бұрын
You can participate mic muted too!
@audiosurfarchive3 сағат бұрын
@KingArttuBut talking shit and mindgames is part of the fun for a MP game.. I'd probably just take a few bumps of a substance or two and try and not have an anxiety attack.
@audiosurfarchive3 сағат бұрын
@KingArttuI know but MP is inherently supposed to be social, but my social anxiety is so crippling that even talking to people online makes me anxious/self conscious. I might just hit a rail or two to take the edge off..
@cocogus4 сағат бұрын
5:38 🪵
@e________v4 сағат бұрын
While I’m fairly confident the results would be the same, a “time travel” 1v1 could be an interesting setup for specifically testing the influence of luck - replay each match with the exact same seed, but with Wayne and the dealer on the opposite sides of the table. If Wayne wins both, luck had no influence on the match. Also, I’m noticing that Wayne’s “long thinks” tend to correlate with cigarettes in his loadout - I wonder if they might be getting in the way of pruning? They’re pretty much *always* a valid action to consider, and the advantage of saving or using them won’t be realized until fairly deep into any given branch (often, the end of the round.) Might already be something you’ve targeted for optimization, but I thought I might mention it because it’s the innocuous kind of thing that I’d personally be likely to overlook. :)
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
Actually used to have it so he'd auto-use ciggies when below max health, but took it out bc there are niche scenarios where you may not want to use them I think 👌 Biggest time sink is burner phone lol, he has to explore every reality with every possible learned shell, and if OP has one, explore every possible set of hidden shell knowledge lol
@e________v3 сағат бұрын
@@delightfulkissboy8926That absolutely makes sense - I figured there’d be a reason that you didn’t implement the greedy strategy. We even saw it here, with the handsaw probability! I know you’ve stated that you don’t want to show the code because it’s messy, but I think a breakdown of the approaches and optimizations you’ve implemented while writing Wayne would be a fascinating watch! Of course, I understand if you didn’t want to deal with even more backseat programming in the comments.
@stormdrain3434 сағат бұрын
problem is me and my pal both watched your video together so now its completely unfun xD
@scubasteve61754 сағат бұрын
The only thing i'd complain about regarding luck in this game is that the optimal strategy feels so accessible. Decision making seems very straightforward in most cases. Any player could get remarkably close to playing perfectly by watching your videos and playing for 30-50 hours honing their technique. There's just not that many variables. Correct me if i'm wrong but wayne's skill level isn't some unachievable standard, and once two waynes are facing one another it's a coin flip. That's probably the argument people are making for this game being less skill based
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
I think "very good" play is accessible in this game, but I don't think that's the case for optimal play. Wayne still does shit that I would be very unlikely to see, and there's still a lot of unknowns when it comes to going loadout to loadout, particularly with variable user settings
@wjs58755 сағат бұрын
I wish there was some element of bluffing in the game
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
There kind of is with burner phone, but yeah, not much other than that
@demetrius11265 сағат бұрын
Also does Wayne use some type of dynamic programming technique with game states to make it run faster?
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
Kind of, I cache board states and map them to their eval scores so he doesn't have to traverse the whole tree every time
@acid62185 сағат бұрын
Hilarious how it took giving Wayne a lobotomy for the dealer to win
@PoetryStud5 сағат бұрын
Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but isn't this only showing that someone of Wayne's strategic skill-level would consistently win against someone of the dealer's skill-level? I feel like to really figure out how much luck plays a role it would just need to be two players of equal skill-level, no?
@delightfulkissboy89265 сағат бұрын
Right, but really any game boils down to just luck when two players are exactly equally matched. The thing I'm trying to quantify is your control over the outcome of a game despite RNG. I.e. you could argue chess is luck based if two players are the exact same skill level given going first gives you a slight advantage. If there were 2 omniscient chess players, the game would be a coin flip or a draw every time
@delightfulkissboy89265 сағат бұрын
Think this is an important distinction, so I'll pin your comment, thanks for the Q!
@mauer15 сағат бұрын
a game that fully 100% comes down to skill will always come out as a draw.
@delightfulkissboy89265 сағат бұрын
@@mauer1 Not necessarily, there are skill-based games where a draw isn't a possible outcome, or possible in an optimal line of play. In these cases it's a coin flip as to who gets to go first or second, bc that will determine who wins
@iidoyila_live_5 сағат бұрын
in a game of pure skill, the luck elements are things like, did my eye twitch and make me miss that railgun shot? did my caffeine wake me up or just give me a tummy ache? have i slept as well as that goddamn nazi bastard?
@iryoku_74915 сағат бұрын
The way you started mocking Wayne after the dealer won a match was just hilarious lol
@iryoku_74915 сағат бұрын
I think it should be entirely possible for the engine to identify a clear guaranteed win and go straight for it, cutting out all the time-wasting nonsense, like the Minimax search optimized with Alpha-Beta pruning
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
@iryoku_7491 yee, should be the case
@audiosurfarchive4 сағат бұрын
That stupid FUCKER Wayne got what he deserved
@demetrius11265 сағат бұрын
Unnerffed Wayne would have swept
@lennart_glimpsel6 сағат бұрын
ayo new mic?
@delightfulkissboy89264 сағат бұрын
Same mic! Just been playing around with compression, etc... To get a better sound out of it, particularly trying to get rid of the echo-y sound
@codemanthe2nd3436 сағат бұрын
I see the dealer's AI has improved since the last time I tuned in
@SmashJEFF6 сағат бұрын
I think the whole discussion of skill vs luck, it's kinda a Catch 22. let me explain: so, i believe that when it comes to skill in this game, it's about knowing how to count the shells in each round, knowing items, but most importantly, INFORMATION. information is such a very valuable aspect in this game. luck in this game comes from items you get, how many items you get each round, the number of shells, and the order of those shells. you might be able to tell where I'm going with this. without having luck, you can't gain information, but you still can have the base skill of counting the shots in each round. if you don't have skill, let's say you don't know how to count the bullets, you can rely on the luck of the shotgun in order to win and you could technically never use items and win. this probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but what I'm trying to say is that there are bases of both skill and luck in this game that are always present. what you do with those bases and expand on them, in my opinion, is how you look at whether this game is skill or luck
@loubeeyoum755652 минут бұрын
That's the reason why Wayne's win rate isn't 100% Still demonstrated to be predominantly skill though
@femurbreaker44836 сағат бұрын
It amazes me that no matter what you post I'll watch the entire thing. Truly a youtuber of all time.
@nicholaspearce22507 сағат бұрын
On a completely unrelated note I wish you could have a random chance to get a different shotgun in the middle of the table (for instance an automatic one or a lever-action one) completely useless just some visual flare
@Underground37 сағат бұрын
Compare to Liars Bar this is more skill then luck. Due to counting rounds and number of lives you have before losing. What funny is the gun roulette aspect of the game isn't the luck part. It the items that you get will either increase or decrease you chances of winning if you counted correct.
@WallaWaller7 сағат бұрын
Wayne's skill makes me wonder if it's possible to get even better. Maybe if it were possible you could make a machine learning Buckshot player and have them play against Wayne to see if Wayne is as good as it gets.
@calebslusher627 сағат бұрын
Wayne being taught impulsivity was not on my 2024 Bingo card
@pacosninjatacoteam28847 сағат бұрын
I just thought of a possibly fun matchup. Wayne vs. Old dealer vs New dealer vs DKB
@thermophile16957 сағат бұрын
I move that we name the Wayne with reduced thinking time Hungover Wayne
@nicholaspearce22507 сағат бұрын
Also I was wondering if you could do a video about if Buckshot Roulette was a cooperative exercise. Basically imagine all four people at the table were kidnapped and forced to play the game as some sort of sick joke, how long could four people last without killing anyone.
@TheOmegaOof7 сағат бұрын
that’s actually a hella interesting question
@delightfulkissboy89267 сағат бұрын
Ooh, fun Q, may have to yoink this vid idea 👀
@nicholaspearce22507 сағат бұрын
@ thanks!
@manitoba-op4jxСағат бұрын
i mean if you can just not take turns then it would last forever
@nicholaspearce225049 минут бұрын
@ well obviously you have to take turns
@thermophile16957 сағат бұрын
Wayne didn't lose even once until he had his thinking privliges reduced, and after that his winrate dropped from 100% to 64%.
@nicholaspearce22507 сағат бұрын
YES IT’S Buckshot AND GAMBLING. D. Kissboy is moving up in the world.
@JordanPlayz1587 сағат бұрын
After watching a few of these videos, I have MASTERFULLY deduced that delightful kissboy has a gambling addiction
@TeaJayTheGamer7 сағат бұрын
very cool, thanks pissboy!
@gaxthegax36887 сағат бұрын
Just what i need for my shower
@baeber7 сағат бұрын
its always a good time to hear delightful joe swanson yap
@aldvelothi7557 сағат бұрын
So, if I understood the video correctly, what you proved is that Wayne has more luck than the dealer?
@delightfulkissboy89267 сағат бұрын
I think so, Wayne is a disgusting lucker tbh
@audiosurfarchive4 сағат бұрын
@@delightfulkissboy8926He can't keep getting away with it. I guess if I ever see someone playing stupid good I'm gonna call them "Waynecore"
@KamikazePlains8 сағат бұрын
I'm betting the Dealer is gonna get absolutely dunked on by Wayne
@Overlord_MS28 сағат бұрын
Can't wait to see the video after commenting instead of vice-versa!
@panofnoodlez13778 сағат бұрын
Yes
@Buried_Alive8 сағат бұрын
kissboy can you do my taxes
@delightfulkissboy89267 сағат бұрын
I made 100k bots do my viewers' taxes. Here's how much money they lost
@Buried_Alive6 сағат бұрын
@ LOL
@zombiegamer10698 сағат бұрын
actually rn the dealer does count ratio if the ratio is high enough he might shoot you
@nicklazzaro505511 сағат бұрын
Did someone think if ya just bet flaat but increase your bets youd get different results? You couldve just multiplied the first result by how much you were increasing your bet.... we really didnt need to show each betting size as if that somehow changes results....
@horrormanCZ11 сағат бұрын
3:32:00 just to clarify: i know how it works, but just as often i forget the bullets, i also forget who went last sometimes because my dumbass forgets to pay attention alright maybe forgetting the bullets is much more common