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@Erich823
@Erich823 23 сағат бұрын
I want to make patch cables myself but the store only have trs angled jacks in stock. Do they work if I leave the ring unused?
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 12 сағат бұрын
yes, or you can also connect the ring to ground/sleeve.
@Erich823
@Erich823 10 сағат бұрын
@@graybenchelec thanks.
@ivonsmith4255
@ivonsmith4255 Күн бұрын
I just got an old Ceriatone Centura - from Malaysiaa - I live in Malaysia too, its great. I also got an old 1994 Mesa Boogie V Twin valve OD pedal - have you done a teardown of one of them? BTW Ceriatone is a Malay word for Happy/Joyful tone and is pronounced "Cherry-a-tone" 🙂- you probably know they make amazing affordable amp clones too of all the best amps all by hand in a small workshop
@jturquoise
@jturquoise 3 күн бұрын
Is there a way to do this without soldering the pots directly to the pcb?
@greenguitarfish
@greenguitarfish 3 күн бұрын
I think it would have made sense to investigate more before you took it apart. If you had checked the sound of the pedal and the battery first, you likely would have known the main problem, but you still would have wanted to investigate those large pots and correct that, so….its all good.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 4 күн бұрын
Is a Foxy Tone box in the future for a tear down? I have built a couple of clones of the original circuit that JD Sleep based his kit on and am curious about any differences that may be there.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 4 күн бұрын
Super cool info! Thanks again for sharing your experience and the information you have found.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 4 күн бұрын
Probably the best and most thorough explanation in terms that most pedal builders and tinkerers can relate with, this clears up a lot of the discrepancies between different articles and information shared about Beta(hFE) choices in fuzz or other circuits that rely heavily on certain values. It definitely explains why my own results have varied or matched with theirs over the past two decades of my electronics exploration of music related circuits, including the fact that I have used so many different types and brands of testing devices and methods!😅 Love the whole channel and content.
@hekakain4108
@hekakain4108 6 күн бұрын
Just ordered this pedal and would like to know what does it sound like (through your guys amps)? I bought the Soma because I've already bought the Lightspeed , Burning Goat and the Southlander...these pedal are fantastic so I'm assuming the Soma will be the same. Great teardown bud...
@MrMrjauregui
@MrMrjauregui 7 күн бұрын
Hi!. Are all the small components included in the kit, or is it just the bare board,? Great video!
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 6 күн бұрын
I believe it's just the PCB, I don't think they offer a full kit.
@MrMrjauregui
@MrMrjauregui 6 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Thanks for the reply 👍
@Amp_Expert
@Amp_Expert 7 күн бұрын
One thing to note is R3. It's showing a 4k7 resistor, but I have seen stock D+ pedals with 1k in this slot!! We should understand what that one change does and net effect of lowering it. According to the Wampler Distortion Plus MODS page one can find, Mike says changing the 4.7k to 1k and the 4n7 to .22uF increases gain but does not change the high frequency response! Doing another search for the video "How MXR Distortion + Reinvented Drive Circuits | Gain Appreciation", at 3:16 in, it shows you the formula for Gain = 1+(1M/(gain know resistance+resistor)), which is 1+(1000000/0+4700) = 214 = +46dB. Changing the 4k7 to 1k would result in = 1+(1000000/0+1000) = 1,000! So about a 5x increase in distortion. Not sure what that equates to dB, but > +46dB!!
@gigimdzevashvili6766
@gigimdzevashvili6766 8 күн бұрын
Good job, it's a cool work. Where can I see the wiring diagram for this work?
@johnnyexponential7229
@johnnyexponential7229 8 күн бұрын
Unless I missed it, you kept the output transformer on-axis with the power transformer through pretty much the whole test. Does moving it away from that axis also have an effect? Thanks for the video, anyway. Very interesting.
@jutukka
@jutukka 9 күн бұрын
I have learned a " three times 90 degrees turn" rule. So first transformers are side by side so that coils and iron both are in same direction, and then you turn the OT so that coil turns 90 degrees, and the second 90° turn around another axel so that "iron" turns 90° as well. And third time with different axel again. So after those three turns both coils and irons are fully in 90 ° position, in all 3 dimensions or axels, to each other and the magnetic interaction is minimized. And yes, still after that, using headphones you can find the sweet spot of lowest hum. The problem with this rule is of course that if the construction and mounting holes or brackets are identical in both trannies and only in one position, you cannot mount those transformers on a same surface without an extra 90 corner bracket or something like that.
@scramblesthedeathdealer
@scramblesthedeathdealer 10 күн бұрын
I just breadboarded my first pedal, a Copper Sound Pedals Silicone Fuzz DIY kit... now I just need to figure out how to adapt it into an old Boss compact pedal enclosure. Maybe next, I will try one of these with Germanium transistors, like Josh, but I want it to be AC powered.
@TubelabCom
@TubelabCom 10 күн бұрын
I built a smaller 4 tube 4 watt push pull amp on a Hammond 1444-14 (9 X 5 X 2 inch) chassis about 10 years ago. The amp used cheap (under $1 each) series string radio tubes on a PC board and my power transformer was a Triad N-68X which is considerably smaller than yours. I was concerned that the chassis was a bit weak, but it has stood the test of time and has been dropped onto to a carpet over concrete basement floor twice before I made a cabinet for it with no ill effects other than one broken tube. A longer guitar cord fixed the dropped amp issues.
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 10 күн бұрын
Im using a considerably smaller chassis, my transformers are very similar to yours so I'm having to mount mine at 45* . I'm doing the 6AF11, but I cheated and bought a used Zeppelin amp for it's circuit board.
@PM-yz8fx
@PM-yz8fx 11 күн бұрын
wow the most instructing 23 minutes ever for a rookie like me, I am about to buy this pedal, but I thought it was all analog, do you know what's that big microchip? I think you confused the chorus (rich and harmonic) with the more subtle vibrato. Absolutely fantastic video!
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 11 күн бұрын
Not certain, but it's probably to do with the high voltage supply. Probably not in the signal path at all.
@mirarzaamplification902
@mirarzaamplification902 11 күн бұрын
Hi. Is the 540V that you measured goes into the center tapped of the OT? I am currently building a guitar amp the marshall silver jubilee. My concern is that my available PT (from old hi fi system) output around 580V DC. In the amp where I took it that is where the CT of OT is connected. The HT winding has a CT which where they take the low voltage for 6l6 grid and for PI and the negative output from the bridge rec goes to ground. Will it nnot gonna destroy the tube? Is my voltage too high? Im also thinking of using lower voltage around 300V by using half bridge rectification. Is it still ok to run that low coz I see in all marshall amp they use around 450V. Thank you.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 11 күн бұрын
I assume I grounded the high voltage center tap, so yes that would be 540 to ground and the center tap. You'd want to check the output tubes you're using to make sure you're not exceeding the max plate voltage. I don't recall what that is for 6L6GC, but the datasheet would say under maximum ratings. You also want to make sure you're not exceeding the voltage rating for filter caps. The higher voltage will change the bias point, so the bias circuit/cathode resistor value may have to be tweaked for the higher voltage operation. I would recommend reading up on tube amps at valvewizard.co.uk. Merlin will fill in a lot of blanks. Good luck!
@mirarzaamplification902
@mirarzaamplification902 11 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec thanks for the info. This is what info I am lookings for.
@davebarone506
@davebarone506 13 күн бұрын
Outstanding video, I wish I knew what you know. But very informative, and inspirational Joe, I have a couple of wonky pedals on my junk box , ill dig them out and try some simple remedies.
@tomfoolery2082
@tomfoolery2082 13 күн бұрын
I had the twin 12 thts made after when I was growing up . Pedals were rare bk then .
@steelysam7189
@steelysam7189 14 күн бұрын
Curious about seeing a breakdown of their Centavo
@earfors
@earfors 14 күн бұрын
Built a custom klon, I wouldn’t sell it for less than 5k.
@MrChopemup
@MrChopemup 15 күн бұрын
Hi, just saw your channel. Interesting stuff. I have an Ibanez PDM 1 . When I plug the cable in , it modulates in quick loudness in steps to really loud delay noise. But after about 20 minutes. It’s functional. There’s some white noise there as well. Of course I don’t expect you to troubleshoot , or not even an answer . If It’s capacitors,? cause that’s pretty much all I can change. With my basic knowledge.thanks , from Berlin
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 15 күн бұрын
Feels like capacitors yes. Also maybe a dying battery?
@MrChopemup
@MrChopemup 15 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec hey thanks for writing. There’s no battery in it. Except the back up battery, which is soldered to the board. It’s an interesting pedal. It’s like a rack system in a pedal. But anyway, thank you for your reply. Any more info you wanna share with me that’s great. I’ll let you know if I fixed it. I’m gonna try.
@lethalancaster8022
@lethalancaster8022 15 күн бұрын
Repurposed IBM electrolytes
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 15 күн бұрын
the heater current on that tube is 1.2a, that's a heavy load.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 15 күн бұрын
Yep, gotta make sure your power transformer is up to the task. Luckily the 270CAX has a 2.5A 6.3V winding!
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 15 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Have you considered the 6AF11? it's a 12 pin, with a high mu triode, medium mu triode and a pentode. It draws a tiny bit over 1a.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 14 күн бұрын
@@charlesdeal771 That's an interesting tube too. I know there was at least one guitar amp manufacture using compactrons. Might be interesting to do a push pull amp with two 6AF11. I'll look into it. Thanks!
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 13 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec TWO ?! That's a wild, cool idea!
@rodrigomagalhaes9424
@rodrigomagalhaes9424 17 күн бұрын
what are the specs for the led resistor
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 16 күн бұрын
good values for LED resistors off 9V are anywhere 1k to 10k. 4.7k is a common value for high brightness LEDs.
@richiebricker
@richiebricker 17 күн бұрын
Im guessing stompboxParts is the charity? They wont help me
@richiebricker
@richiebricker 17 күн бұрын
On my second try of building this Rat pedal and have soldered everything perfectly, I get a slight hum when turned up all the way, otherwise a super clear bypass so there is no effect. With nowhere to get troubleshooting advice Im forced to come back here with my now $112 investment of a light up paper weight. Anybody have any clues ?????
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 17 күн бұрын
double check your connections between the input/output jacks and the PCB
@patrickfreuler1376
@patrickfreuler1376 17 күн бұрын
I built and sold about 10 Zendrive clones when people were waiting months for one from Hermida or paying crazy money for used ones on Ebay. I called them Dao & Zen Overdrives. I used a board made by GuitarPCB. When Lovepedal started making them I bought a used Zendrive and A/Bd it with my clone and aside from minor knob setting variations due to potentiometer tolerances, they were the same. I still have one on my board.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 18 күн бұрын
Wait, those read as zener diodes? I remember analogman saying ceriatone pedals had zener diodes, could he have seen them come up as zeners wnd ran with it lol
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 17 күн бұрын
They're not actually zeners, it's just because there's two diodes back to back. Apologies if I didn't explain that will in the video.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 17 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec oh yeah i got that I was just saying what if he tested them and they measured as zeners and that's where he got that from or something
@JonnySoundSounds
@JonnySoundSounds 18 күн бұрын
its crazy you could make an amp with that one tube if its a 1 gain stage to the power stage. id go solid state rec also just so its a 1 tube amp
@JonnySoundSounds
@JonnySoundSounds 18 күн бұрын
ive used a push pull output on singled ended you use the center tap and one side and float the other i did it in a single ended princeton build
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 18 күн бұрын
Check out the 6AD10/6AD10-A. Compactron, usually about $5. Not as spicy as your choice but you might need a flea watt in the future!
@wiggyjones
@wiggyjones 19 күн бұрын
Looks like an interesting project.
@koonsickgreen6272
@koonsickgreen6272 19 күн бұрын
Great content once again! But I need to ask a question. Tube Screamer and other overdrive pedal enthusiasts obsess over particular opamps. Yet Klon has 4-5 opamps and no one bats an eye about which brand and/or model. Why is this? Are the opamps for different functions in Klons compared to the drive pedal circuits?
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 16 күн бұрын
I always thought that was interesting too, one of those is a charge pump so it doesn't really matter but the rest do basically what they'd do in a tube screamer or any other opamp pedal yet everyone's focused on the diodes. Maybe opamps don't contain as much magic inside these pedals lol
@lordseph
@lordseph 20 күн бұрын
Holy crap, PCB's from back then had crazy looking trace marks!
@mindfield9832
@mindfield9832 21 күн бұрын
Could just apply some shielding tape to the enclosure instead of rehousing it. If you rehouse it you’ll want to install a full sized momentary switch.
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm 21 күн бұрын
Cool amp, Uncle Doug Rules.. Just a couple things I noticed from looking at the schematic, did you remove the caps going into the grids and add grid stopper resistors as it doesn’t have any on the schematic? 34-68k is typical. Also, the plate resistors are pretty high and the plate voltage is a little low.. 100k is normal. You may have done so without mentioning but I don’t know. Nice job though, and still sounds great as is.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 21 күн бұрын
The caps going into V1 are necessary for the grid leak bias to work, so those had to stay. I did not add grid resistors though, no. I generally try to keep vintage amps close to original, same answer for the plate resistors.
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm 11 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Very cool, I had to look again as I didn’t even realize. The Cathode goes straight to ground. On a side note, I have quite the vintage tube collection (I’m sure you do too), and never noticed a difference between rectifier’s labeled 5Y3 or 5Y3GT, however the 6087 or 5Y3WGTB is very neat as it has an indirectly heated cathode like the 5AR4/GZ34. Try one if you haven’t yet. And thanks for the biasing info!
@tommyaguilar794
@tommyaguilar794 21 күн бұрын
I have a Lovepedal Zendrive Black Magic with that same circuit board and it had a dc jack that wouldn’t work with a battery. It was brand new and I didn’t want to send it back to Lovepedal! The contacts that are supposed to make contact without a dc cable were spread apart so I needed a new jack. I couldn’t get the board out but I found that I could get it out by prying one side with a small flathead to get the jack out and then the other side came up pretty easy. I didn’t need to desolder the jacks. I just took it nice and slow prying between the circuit board and the enclosure. Just replaced the dc jack and it’s good now. I was kind of scratching my head about it but now I know it can be done without breaking anything!
@dvhx
@dvhx 22 күн бұрын
Spice can simulate vacuum tubes, I would start there.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 22 күн бұрын
I was wondering if you could use solder lug pots on pcb mount holes, you may have saved me buying some more pots lol
@koonsickgreen6272
@koonsickgreen6272 22 күн бұрын
Watched the whole thing. You rock bro. Liked and subscribed!!
@discouragetheghost8981
@discouragetheghost8981 22 күн бұрын
My days of buying distortions, overdrives, or fuzzes made with surface mount components are over. I fully understand the "benefits" but don't believe the "benefits" outweigh the disadvantages to the consumer, unless the production reflected the cost to the consumer, which, in most cases of "boutique" pedals these days, they don't. And if the benefits were to the consumer to use SMD, then every pedal maker would be marketing this info to us. And I don't know anyone who does yet.
@koonsickgreen6272
@koonsickgreen6272 23 күн бұрын
dude.. I appreciate this vid
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 23 күн бұрын
Damn thanks for that bit about upside down pnps, i stuck a pnp in an npn fuzz face i made once and it sounded good but i was worried it was going to blow up or something lol
@danielbarbieri8199
@danielbarbieri8199 23 күн бұрын
At the price they sell those pedals, they should de built like that...
@TubelabCom
@TubelabCom 24 күн бұрын
I realize that you have likely already started building on this amp, but I question the use of tubes you know are rare. Googling didn't find any NOS tubes. I have been tinkering with tubes for 60+ years. I have kept a list of every tube that I have ever encountered and collected all of the data sheets once the PDF was invented in the early 90's. I have never seen the 6HC8, so I added the PDF to my collection. For a one off that you will build one of and nobody will copy, it's a valid choice. The only common tube that shares the same pinout is the 6BM8 which has been seen in guitar amps, though it has a lower plate dissipation rating. I would tend toward a tube with multiple pin compatible substitutes for a wide range of different tonal possibilities. I chose the 6HZ8 when I was experimenting with a single tube amp during the Hundred Buck Amp Challenge on diyAudio many years ago. It shares a common footprint with 22 other different tubes! I would choose a tube from the 9AE / 9DC (6U8, 6BL8) basing for the first tube instead of the 6AN8 for the same reason, there are 19 pin compatible tubes there. As another commentor suggested, run all 4 OPT taps to a switch just for the sonic choices offered. At the 5 watt or so power level seen here a mismatch will not blow anything up and can offer up some unusual tones when overdriven. I did this with the 125CSE OPT in all of the "Turbo Champ" amps (6L6GC or 6550 tube on 400 to 450 volts) that I built in the late 1990s.
@Rainydaydreamaway7
@Rainydaydreamaway7 24 күн бұрын
Hey man, was curious if you recognize the brand of pots used in these pedals? Have tried to search for it based on logo but had no luck
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 24 күн бұрын
Fun fun! You can halve the 5k primary output trafo winding if needed and have 8/4/2 secondaries. Also the 6GW8/ECL86 is in on this game, most know it from the Hammond AO-44 reverb amp. It has a shield between the sections, and it is as well pretty spicy output wise. The AO-44 is good reference for the power supply. The 6BM8 has troubles if you use the triode as the s.e. driver stage, it gets too excited. Which I believe is an actual tube amp designer term of art! I can tell you when the ECL86 fails it really does so. Like your amp had that accident with a car trunk full of fireworks. Its the pentode that bites it. The super rare Gibson GA1-RVT (not the GA 1 RT) is a flea watt version of this with verb and trem, uses a 7199 for pentode input. 6AN8 is close and way way cheaper. You could run parallel triode/pentode input stages and use the triode in the 7199 type tube as the driver. 2 sets of hi/lo inputs, 2 volumes, 5E3ish, that would be super cool.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 21 күн бұрын
Uncle Doug is currently posting videos of a GA1RVT clone build on his channel.
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 21 күн бұрын
@@goodun2974 Yessir, nearly have all my parts! Building mine in a VHT Special 6 combo: reusing that PT (reclaiming the rest for a KT66 Super 5F2A head,) new turret board, Hammond 125BSE, 10" '53 Rola alnico. Gathered all rebranded Mullard glass but the rectifier. Chuffed!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 21 күн бұрын
@@oldasrocks9121 , I'm glad you're building your clone on a turret board. I don't know what Doug was thinking trying to do this with terminal strips especially when he's mounting them on either side of the tube sockets on the bottom lip of the chassis. When you come up with a layout for the GA1RVT on a turret board you should share it with us. I was thinking about drawing one up Fender style with similar layout but it sounds like you're already just about there.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 21 күн бұрын
@@oldasrocks9121 , Rola! Everybody else is stuck on Jensen and Celestion, but Rola made some great speakers. I've got a few vintage ones here pulled from old organs and organ tone cabinets but I also once had a Unicord 4x10 or 4x 12 cabinet that had 4 Rola speakers in it. . At some point years ago , Marshall was distributed in the US by Unicord in New York; It was a great sounding cabinet but I sold it to somebody who was more likely to use it than me just playing at home.
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 21 күн бұрын
@@goodun2974 It was a bargain, also from a Hammond tone cabinet, it's the speaker with the small cylindrical magnet. The pair of 12 inch 60s Heppners from the Hammond L100 spinet are amazing too tho the ribbed cone alone will do a fella right. That original GA1 pictured sold by Flipside shows the best clue to the physical aspect of it's sound: the huge baffle with the 8" right in the middle. My baffle is about 14x15, the Maestro has to be at least 20x16, very little baffle step notch and if it's on its feet on the floor the LF will couple pretty well. I'd be curious to know how a similarly sized baffle with 2 8 inchers in it would sound. A guy could definitely get 2 8 inch speakers in a new baffle in the 5E3 Mojotone cabinet. Chopping my way thru circuit layout dyslexia presently, lol. Got a bargain on the VHT, wouldn't power on and the music shop tech took a pass on repairing it, complete $165 shipped. Can't buy a good new pedal for that. Hey, deflation!
@grundunterrecording4197
@grundunterrecording4197 24 күн бұрын
This is going to be really interesting. Looking forward to the series!