just like dekemori said it's taken me a looong time to get the base understanding, and own opinions, to be able to watch this and wholeheartedly agree with it. Great video

I watched this at like 230am last week and finally remembered a clarifying question. Should one a) decide if the pendulum or windmill is more comfortable and stick with one on all BH throws, or b) go more overhand on anhyzer releases and pendulum on hyzer releases? My tendency is to over think and get brain fried.

Sweet video! This is something I've been trying to fix for my own throw as my rear knee is totally extending and causing weirdness down the chain One thing that isn't clear to me in the hinge approach to the back leg is how the unloading happens. Is it truly as simple as rolling the foot and plantar flexion like a gas petal? Tread talks about relaxing into rotation, but I have trouble making sense of that I find the lower body so confusing, especially the back leg!

Boom. Gold as always

Tried doing this and experienced some pain in my foot, above the ball of the foot. I did it barefoot and on something likely too high, but do you have any thoughts about what might be happening when stepping down that would cause that?

I'm not sure if I quite understand the lesson in terms if practicality. What is the need for the bucket or any other item? How will this relate on the tee pad if you are never stepping down from any heighted position/surface?

Kuoksa is a mad bomber, interesting stuff!

Dang hinge and not squat it finally clicked after 3 years of watching your videos

Yassss more uploads, keep them coming seabass I am trying to break 600 feet

Do no let osha see this video

"...and you don't want to kick the bucket" - this is probably the most important advice in more than one way.

Thank you for your continued work! I appreciate the new videos and can't wait for next season to put all this to the test!

Step down to step up your game

Very informative, great tunes, and another enjoyable video. Thank you for the slap shot cue. I think this video is going to help me feel new things and help fix my elbow down problem. Thank you

I always hear nose over toes but then I see the pros nose way out pass the toes and over the disc and sometimes passed it like Eagle in the last picture.

Another classic like Bird & Magic 💥

Once again, a classic like Bird & Magic 💥

Does this move with the left leg happen to start the pull? Like the chain of events is this happens, which brings the disc in? A lot of pros say they physically pull the disc in with the arm, but wouldn't that break this chain of events? When I try to practice this, I feel like I am pulling the disc and the left leg is turning in sync instead of the left leg rotating ahead of the right arm.

Nice to see some new stuff.

Holy shit seabas is pumping out bangers wtf.

Are those fastballs or some super spinny balls?

Wouldn't this be something better to be done from lets say.. a shorter item such as cinder block, so you can still get the fall feel, but have a lot less impact issues with the knees? Like what you're showing here, I can't physically do this with my knee problems.

Been waiting for this one, nice🤝🏽

Another classic like Bird & Magic💥

Song at 7:05?

Wait, so I feel like perhaps I'm having an aha moment right now. It's late at night so I can't go out and test this with a disc just yet, but just doing shadow swings I feel way more of a connection with my lat and the rest of my back when reaching back internally rotated. I think I've just taken it for granted that briefcasing the disc is the correct way to do it for everyone and I just feel like I struggle with just throwing it into the ground a lot. This might just be me misunderstanding my actual issues, shadow swings can't replace actually throwing a disc. But it would be incredible if this ended up making a difference, considering how uncomfortable it is for me to attempt for a briefcase reach back. I feel like it makes it really easy to shrug my shoulder while pulling through. I've also leaned in heavily to the school of thought of keeping the shoulder protracted throughout the throw, because I think someone told me one time that I was t-rexing my throw when I was asking for form advice. Long comment short, incredibly interesting video, love your work, keep it up!

Go O's!

I love the video! It puts into contexts some things I've seen and experienced, but didn't understand. Like being protracted, but retracting. Or why the body has a tendency to rotate limbs while moving them. Side note: the audio was perfect. I love the improvements you've made to your content.

Especially liked the protraction retraction part. You can BE in a protracted (or neutral) position, while RETRACTING when something is fighting against you.

Do you favor uppercut or jab in general? Like for someone that isn’t doing either particularly well

Ah! The note at 5:50 about the appearance of shoulder protraction was super helpful.

Good video.

:-)

Alright, fresh seabass at 2am! Love it. Keep doing what you are doing!

Hearty Piss or massive Zong Rip?

I can't believe they don't put sensors to connect the collarbones. That's a big part of timing the throw.

Was anyone else dancing in their seat while watching this? I love the music you use. 😎

so basically all the online coaches saying to straighten out the back leg in line with the spine are wrong then?

I did that kick naturally when trying a one leg a while back. Felt like it was driving the throw. kzbin.infooy-vl4Wn6qE?si=17cBTsQ7D21Y62Cs

I think this position is just a function of achieving a solid and balanced brace, and mostly hyzer and some flat shots. It’s not a position many pros would achieve with an anhyzer and some flat shots, with them having less accentuated back leg rise or even some toe dragging. In any case, this isn’t a manual motion - it’s a passive motion into this position - you’re not trying to do this, it just happens for the reasons I mentioned. I wouldn’t call this a leg kick as that phrase has been reserved for the manual extension of the back leg seen in a select few pro players, most notably David Wiggins Jr. Watching David, you’ll see he’s actively fighting the collection of the back leg by extending his back leg straight versus letting it rise and bend like Eagle is doing in this video. He does this regardless of distance, while other pros who do this are only doing this with big shots - 600-650+ feet. I’m not sure why the leg kick is so prevalent with David versus most other pros, and I’m not sure how this active fighting of the collection of that back leg can help with distance. I imagine the power generation has to be so extreme that the back leg anchor has to move more quickly backwards in an effort to keep balanced.

This makes no sense.. What are you implying? What is causing what here? The reason for the leg kick during running is to shorten the lever so your hipflexors can pull the leg forward for the following stride? But the reason for "the kick" in disc golf is surely not to cycle the back leg into the next step in "locomotion"?

What with the importance of the leg kick?

If I'm reading and seeing this right, here is the order of operations: Begin low, bend knees, transfer weight from back to front leg, as you rotate hips. The back leg should come up, and then the front leg should pivot on the heel. Watching Eagle on the right seems to indicate this as well.

That is an interesting take but unfortunately it is not quite that simple to take a 2D view and compute the physics of rotational centers. From this perspective, you are focused on the movement (or lack of movement) of the trail shoulder in a global frame vs local frame. Because the entire body is moving in space, to compute upper torso rotational centers they need to be constrained to the local frame anatomy, typically something relatively immovable such as the sternum or perhaps a point near the center of the spine. I'll try to post another stickman from a different view.

why'd his penis falll off?

In this presentation it looks as if the both shoulders hit pass the exact same spot where the lead hip socket was positioned before the pull

Wow, very interesting! I’m leaving to go try it, right now. THANKS!

Love you seabas22. A true og.

Another classic like Bird & Magic!!

Absolute mad lad.