05 worst judo throws for self defense

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Chadi

Chadi

Жыл бұрын

This video discusses the worst Judo throws for a street fight.
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@greyostrich4377
@greyostrich4377 Жыл бұрын
As a bouncer here in the UK who’s done judo for 3 years the 3 most effective throws from experience is Ko Sato Gak, Tai Toshi (body drop) and Goshi Garuma.
@JamesMMcCann
@JamesMMcCann Жыл бұрын
If you haven't already, check out Geoff Thompson's Throws and Takedowns of Judo. It's Judo written from a bouncer's POV.
@ermining1
@ermining1 Жыл бұрын
I think you mean kosoto gake and goshi guruma
@jedijudoka
@jedijudoka Жыл бұрын
@@ermining1 koshi * it’s a k when it’s the first word. Like sumi gaeshi vs kaeshi waza.
@ztrewqqwertz8997
@ztrewqqwertz8997 Жыл бұрын
No front, but 3 years of judo is not much experience. But I'm glad if it worked out for you. I think a lot of foot sweeps, hand throws, and hip throws are very effective in the streets. Also, just pure Kuzushi and hurl/spin the opponent is very effective. Or push and hold the opponent against anything.
@JamesMMcCann
@JamesMMcCann Жыл бұрын
@@ztrewqqwertz8997 respectfully disagree, 3 years of Judo (if that training was consistent) is ample for defending yourself.
@NickKano11
@NickKano11 Жыл бұрын
Sacrifice throws are generally best avoided- but they can have their place as you said. My dad had a friend in high school that got charged by a much bigger student. His friend grabbed his lapels and threw him with Tomoe Nage. End result for the student getting thrown was hitting his head on the pavement and getting knocked out.
@ASN_Alfie
@ASN_Alfie Жыл бұрын
How the fuck are you wearing judogi in school lol
@NickKano11
@NickKano11 Жыл бұрын
@@ASN_Alfie It's almost like Judo works with regular clothes ;)
@SeanWinters
@SeanWinters Жыл бұрын
I totally disagree with number one. Tani otoshi has worked for me twice in a self-defense situation. It's simple, especially on someone who doesn't know what they're doing, and if you come at it with a rotation, you're basically guaranteed to land on top of the guy or being a position where you can automatically get on top of them. There's also variation in the amount of power you can get behind it, it's very controllable. Sure, if you can get it, a makkikomi is ideal, but tani otoshi is perfect if the opportunity arises, which it often does.
@ASN_Alfie
@ASN_Alfie Жыл бұрын
@@NickKano11 but there aren’t any lapels on clothes unless you are wearing blazers to school
@NickKano11
@NickKano11 Жыл бұрын
@@ASN_Alfie Guess in this case he was wearing a blazer or jacket
@1massboy
@1massboy Жыл бұрын
The best are the basics. Hip throw, headlock throw, sag headlock, inside reap, and a couple of others. And keep in mind that most people you end up having to defend yourself don’t know judo/wrestling….or even throws generally. So you have a much higher chance of hitting then clean. Most Most of the throws in your videos our moves you Use against other judo/wrestlers That have a good idea of what postures you use to defend against basic throws. In essence they’re really for competition.
@MP-db9sw
@MP-db9sw Жыл бұрын
I know this has been mentioned but I just feel like its always important to say when the topic comes up: maximizing damage potential, such as deliberately throwing to make someones slap their head on the ground is very much a dangerous strategy for the thrower even in many self defense scenarios. People often talk about self defense with the basic assumption that it will be some kind of hyper-violent, kill or be killed event. And obviously SD is suc an event for people, sometimes, but many, if not most real-world encounters are not. So its good to have high stakes options but its not necessarily good to engrain into ourselves that such options are the default, go-to techniques. Prosecutors look at how likely they believe a conviction will be. If we kill someone in a fight or injure someone’s brain so that they dont function the same anymore, we can face serious prison time for that even if felt that we were forced to defend ourselves. This is especially true for people who have training. Its important to have not-quite-so-violent options for throwing mapped into our inventories as the more “default choices in SD so that we dont automatically attempt something that we will regret later. And it can be hard on the conscience to look back at something we’ve done and realize that we killed or seriously hurt someone when we could have defended ourselves just as effectively without causing that amount of harm. Great video, as usual. Peace!
@filiformis
@filiformis Жыл бұрын
Good list. Another big aspect of self defense is the legal battle after you defend yourself. "Self Defense" primarily exists as a legal concept. It would be cool if you could bring on a self-defense lawyer, show him various techniques that you would classify as "good" or "bad" from a position/control perspective, and the lawyer can speak about it from a legal perspective.
@SeanWinters
@SeanWinters Жыл бұрын
I agree with 543 and 2, but taniotoshi? No. I totally disagree. I've utilized this throw in self-defense twice, and it's one of my top five throws on the mat. In my 16 years of experience in judo, the only time I've even heard of people getting injured by Tani o toshi is when they are taught to lift their lead leg in the air, instead of on the ground. And I've only ever seen BJJ practitioners do that. Again, all the others are totally correct, but I've been to a lot of schools and a lot of tournaments, not once have I witnessed a judoka be harmed by this throw, minus the odd white belt uke headache.
@kennethrogers1129
@kennethrogers1129 8 ай бұрын
@@SeanWintersmy point exactly, agreed
@kennethrogers1129
@kennethrogers1129 8 ай бұрын
Force for force, reaction due to fear caused by the attack, legal battle is nonexistant
@WU-DAO
@WU-DAO Жыл бұрын
Hot Take: Uchi Mata as nice as it is in competition, the risk of "rolling over" is dangerous (not to mention the head to the ground). Everything what allows you to maintain top control should be prefered (Harai Goshi, O Soto Gari etc.). And as others have said: to remain a standing position is the best way to go.
@jedijudoka
@jedijudoka Жыл бұрын
That’s why I sometimes prefer “Ken Ken” uchimata. Attack the near side thigh and hop toward their support leg til they go down. It’s much easier to stay on top imo.
@carlcarson7604
@carlcarson7604 Жыл бұрын
A good uchi mata is a throw; a bad uchi mata is a kick to the groin, which is not bad too imo.
@Saitoshiba
@Saitoshiba Жыл бұрын
That's why I started practicing sumo. Most throws focus on you being standing up and the other person on the ground. To add to this, not talking about the bonus of grip fighting that sumo has. The whole fight is an aggressive grip fighting because you are shirtless so never one grip style is 100% safe. You are always one move away from the other person to shake it off. After almost 2 decades of judo, I am seeing that the majority of judo throws in competition are throws that end up on the ground. Rarely is a throw that you remain standing. That's pretty good in a competition and MMA fight, but a big no no in a self defense scenario. Might work, but in general you want to remain standing 99% of the time.
@WU-DAO
@WU-DAO Жыл бұрын
@@jedijudoka I see what you mean and if you are skilled enough it seems ok. But for me (Security and Ex-Bouncer) "hopping" on the streets is a danger because of uneven ground etc. and people can react pretty strange in real altercations because they do not react like judokas. So for me i always fight for a save stance and control of their arms first. From there i can take them down (save for me and even for them because i have full control). For example: if it is 1 on 1 i like Koshi Guruma direct into Kesa Gatame. O-Soto-Gari, Harai Goshi, Tai Otoshi and also "unclean" Sweeps with a push for more confused situations where you just want to keep standing.
@WU-DAO
@WU-DAO Жыл бұрын
@@Saitoshiba As a Security and Ex-Bouncer pushing or pulling somebody to the ground (sweeping or throwing as an alternative) solved 95 % of all physical altercations (do it twice if they are under the influence of alcohol until their subconciousness tells them that today is not the day). I do Wudang Tai-Ji-Quan on a high (not wellness focused) level and "Pushing Hands" (with moving steps) has pretty much the same rules as Sumo. And sometimes you just want to fixate someone on a wall or push him over a table.
@jb6368
@jb6368 Жыл бұрын
Judo best for self defence full stop. I locked up alot of people who over years threw the "one" punch which ended with fatal consequences unfortunately. In court a closed fist punch even if in defence can be ugly to a jury. Now a push away ( judo throw) to a jury esp if caught on CCTV or phones comes across as less aggressive etc . Today in lense of either CCTV or phones a judo throw (push away to the untrained) covers your arse from legality of result.
@RobertoBren
@RobertoBren Жыл бұрын
Good video and insight.👍🥋 One thing most people don't know is that Judo was essentially a safer version of Ju-Jitsu. Judo throws are inherently designed to throw opponent onto their backs in the majority of cases. Now, take it back to the Ju-Jitsu version where the throw ended up with the opponent landing head first and suddenly a lot of "weak" throws become highly effective in neutralizing the threat. Just an observation of mine, I maybe right or wrong.
@fredazcarate4818
@fredazcarate4818 Жыл бұрын
Your observations of effective techniques in street combat is spot on. And the throws you mentioned that are high risk do require complete mastery too pull off. With that said thank you Chadi for sharing your martial combat wisdom. It is refreshing to hear humble but capable Judoka's advice.
@Chadi
@Chadi Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@cheyennemeredith1174
@cheyennemeredith1174 Жыл бұрын
Read about a dozen comments and no one's mentioned the dangerous habit of stopping after a successful throw. The sacrifice throws like sumi gaeshi and tomorrow nage, ya better keep moving after the throw and come up on top or else uke might beat you to the punch and beat your a**. All they gotta do is belly out and then you're in bottom "north-south". Those winding throws you have a better chance if you learned to roll over the top of your opponent as their back hits the mat so it's clear to the judges that you executed the technique and their back hit the mat. From there, you stand a better chance of getting back to your feel to kick rocks quick. One of my judo clubs did "small circle" judo at the end of each session, non sport judo techniques for real life situations. The grimy stuff...and it wasn't anything in this video. Thank you for the thoughtful analysis of techniques. You clearly love judo.
@AceInose
@AceInose Жыл бұрын
Yup it's called Sutemi for a reason. Sacrifice throws does give out some level of danger often utilized like a regular arsenal
@rns7426
@rns7426 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always had good results with Tani-Otoshi 🤷. I’d use it on the street if i were in position during a scuffle. Lots of things come down to your scramble. Good vid. As an edit. I’ve used Tani Otoshi gi and no gi both in judo and wrestling to good result.
@idrissk6002
@idrissk6002 Жыл бұрын
I agree, although I haven't used it on the street whenever I do pull off Tani Otoshi it usually goes smoothly and I land in a good position.
@SeanWinters
@SeanWinters 8 ай бұрын
​​@@idrissk6002Yeah the big risk only comes when you lift your blocking leg in the air, when your blocking leg is on the floor, you're in the clear free from injury, a 400lb man can land his legs on your knee and you'll be fine. The problem isn't if the legs land on you, the problem is if their butt or back lands on your knee.
@idrissk6002
@idrissk6002 8 ай бұрын
@@SeanWinters ah makes sense, I've always wondered why people suffer injuries with Tani Otoshi. But now I know why. Thanks.
@assoverteakettle
@assoverteakettle Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the risk vs payoff factors that were researched and explained in detail because they are often not openly discussed in the clinical classroom and training environment -- especially when the focus is mainly for sport and scoring points.
@kenwintin3014
@kenwintin3014 7 ай бұрын
Well thought out.
@johnmcloughlin6234
@johnmcloughlin6234 Жыл бұрын
the best throw for self defense? "Create space o ( put your favorite in here)" Of course we all know that getting out of the situation is the best option...however, if it is impossible, these are great ones to think about avoiding for all the reasons Chadi has mentioned. Thanks Chief.
@p.l.5860
@p.l.5860 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Ty for showing the WORST throws. Everyone asks for the BEST. Great idea for a video.
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina Жыл бұрын
Drop yourself on the ground is never good on the street, not because of the technique but because of the hazards. Keep in mind that samurai wear armor on battlefield, we don't wear armor at all. We could get injured by many things such as small rocks, glass splinters, rusted nails, ect. Not to mention that street/road are burning hot in the day. So unless you're wearing armor don't drop yourself on the street.
@draco_1876
@draco_1876 Жыл бұрын
Wearing armor made it more dangerous. The weight makes it so you don't wanna be on the ground
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina Жыл бұрын
@@draco_1876 Armor are not as heavy as you think, especially eastern armors. Do you know that Samurai armor largely made of bamboo..? 😁
@packapunchh
@packapunchh Жыл бұрын
Great video👍
@mariorauldelapena2052
@mariorauldelapena2052 Жыл бұрын
Excelente contenido!!!! Bendiciones!!!😃
@bluedimes3887
@bluedimes3887 Жыл бұрын
Very true, most of these throws are sacrifice throws doing these in a street fight can end you in landing your head on concrete
@GuerillaLPU9
@GuerillaLPU9 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm.. so Ashi Garami is basically pulling/calling to the guard in BJJ lol. This is why people say, BJJ = basically just judo
@pedromulu4812
@pedromulu4812 Жыл бұрын
Bjj came from judo gracie did not invent nothing
@kennethrogers1129
@kennethrogers1129 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, any judo throw you do, is a good throw, they all have their use if you have practiced and have a feeling of when to use them, depends on if you are static , attacker is charging, walking up pushing or punching, etc. size difference, I say they are all good if done right under applicable situation. In this video it seems sacrifice throws are the “worst” but a dropping sacrifice throw will take your opponent by surprise no doubt about that and you can certainly smash their head or shoulder on the ground and it’s all over
@MeleDrummer
@MeleDrummer Жыл бұрын
Very cool video
@arnoldcohen1250
@arnoldcohen1250 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chad, great and important video. Generally speaking, on the street, it is better for the defender not to go to ground. Try to stay on your feet if possible. Besides all the excellent reasons your have given, perhaps the most important is the danger of multiple attackers. Once you are down, it is very hard to get up!!
@gingercore69
@gingercore69 Жыл бұрын
The throws i do the most for self defense are hipthrows like ogoshi, koshi guruma, etx... Reaps, like osoto gari and uchimata... Ippon seoi related throws and saceifice throws thst put my feet between us... Like tomoe nsge, yoko tomoe nage, etc... I also do lots of 2 on 1 grips with arms into standing locks that sometimes end on throws...
@Saitoshiba
@Saitoshiba Жыл бұрын
Talking about self defense, if you have a solid grip fighting (with a jacked or shirtless), good posture e balance, and against the average joe or not. You have more than enough to defend yourself. Sometimes people will be hyper aggressive and fall with their attack. You just have to keep your balance, posture and pay attention to their mistakes. For years I have been training judo in a defensive posture. This is awful for competition because you rarely attack, but pretty good for the anything else. Aggressive kumi kata is something I am slowly adding into the mix. Just keep your balance, dodge, block with your hip, push. The key is to unbalance and while they are attacking, push or do your throw. It's hard against someone that knows how grapple, but against most people just push, shove, small trip with the legs, pull their heads down. All of that is enough to disorientate most people. The thing is, this is pretty common in a sumo match. Even if you manage to push the person in a table, wall, chair, is already better than trying to risk a throw and falling.
@victorfreedom93
@victorfreedom93 Жыл бұрын
Most of the tecniques mentioned here are Sutemi waza
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Жыл бұрын
Yeah lol.
@non-stopnewaza9266
@non-stopnewaza9266 Жыл бұрын
The version of uki-waza commonly used in BJJ - they call it a collar drag - seems good for the street as it leads directly to a single leg if it fails. Yuri Simoes used it to take Travis Stevens down in a BJJ match.
@kennethrogers1129
@kennethrogers1129 8 ай бұрын
Actually EVERY judo throw has its cons, if you don’t know any judo, then you better not try ANY throw, …. They are all dangerous, every turning throw you offer your back, every sacrifice throw you put yourself under opponent and on the ground, every leg sweep you entangle at close quarters, -- practice up and know what you are doing , randori will give experience and a feeling for what will work for you in various situation, and practice variety of throws in self defense situation against punch, kick, etc
@jaygannon1095
@jaygannon1095 Жыл бұрын
In randori I once attempted uki waza (one of my most high percentage throws which I have landed successfully many times) and botched it so badly it ended with my training partner mounted on me. Think how disastrous that could be in a fight and think twice about using it in one.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Жыл бұрын
This video's topic sure is interesting. I have talked about it before Now that i watched the whole video i gotta say that i disagree in all of them except Kawazu Gake. I'll try to put into words my reasons for disagreement but first i will say that most Judo moves are meant for you to try and force them, you are supposed to use them if you opponent gives you the opportunity. Yeah you should definitely be trying to unbalance them all the time but that does not imply that you should also have a specific goal-move in mind. Judo also has many techniques that you are supposed to use should you get overpowered or even outclassed. Where i'm getting at is that some of the techniques you mentioned are defenitely bad options compared to other techniques, but in some positions and scenarios, they will be the best thing you can do. Let me get started. Yoko Gake and Uki Waza: these moves are definitely good if you already falling when you decide to use them, imagine you get attacked by surprise by someone and next thing you know is that you're falling, then knowing these techniques could save you (depending on the situation, you will not be able to use others like Sumi Gaeshi or Tomoe Nage) as they will give you enough time to get into a better position or stand up even if you do not perform them 70% right. So they are techniques that are there to save yourself when you have been unbalanced or are falling down from some kind of push/trip. Yoko Wakare: another counter technique, you even said it on the video so why did you include it?😭 You shouldn't be hoping to use it, but if someone overpowers/caughts you out of guard but lacks technique, you can make them end up on bottom with this technique, i did watch a MMA fight that had a Muay Thai practitioner and a Judoka (gi and all) against each other, and the Muay Thai guy did manage to "throw" the Judoka and yet he ended up on bottom because of this technique. The Judoka won. And just like the other techniques, this one does not need you to knock the other guy out, you can also use it just to gain time, but unlike the last two, this onw usually leaves you in a really good position even when underperformed. Tani Otoshi: i believe that this technique will only pose a threat to yourself if you do it wrong. May that mean doing it at the wrong time, with unproper Kuzushi, Kumi Kata, location or anything else really. And being a sacrifice technique i naturally will say that you should use it if you were already going to lose your balance so you do not fall in a real bad position. Now then Kawazu Gake definitely can damage your opponent a lot and has other drawbacks, i do not recomend it, it might as well be necesary some time tho.
@kevinho9544
@kevinho9544 Жыл бұрын
Interesting topic. But I think there is no worst technique. It all depends on the real situation. When a big guy is charging you, a sacrifice throw can be a good and natural option to keep the distance first and fight back again. And there is no reason why you have to keep the same position after the throw in real fight.
@volkerengels5298
@volkerengels5298 7 ай бұрын
_Everything you say is correct_ -> Assuming that the 'opponent' is unfortunately a judoka or wrestler. Which is not the case in 99% of all cases. Even boxers are completely helpless when they are 'pushed over' - i.e. fall victim to an O Soto Gari. Even if I end up on the ground in an unfortunate position - the other person is worse off. They doesn't even know what they could do next.
@TheAseer2020
@TheAseer2020 3 ай бұрын
Good day. Is there any historical research with the development of these Judo techniques? Could it be that the original application of some of these throws are lost to time, and what we are left with is looking at them via our modern eyes?
@johnpauljones9310
@johnpauljones9310 Жыл бұрын
When I started Judo, the very first throw I "got" was tai otoshi. It just made sense when an opponent got too aggressive and started pushing on me. Every Judoka has throws that take a lot of work to perfect and some throws that are almost instantly added to our "tool belt". Tai otoshi was mine. I found it very useful when drunk idiots would get aggressive and push on me. Sidewalks hurt and since it's a throw based almost entirely on yielding and timing, it's textbook 'self defense'.
@marcelnowakowski945
@marcelnowakowski945 Жыл бұрын
I was in many street fights, both in Poland and Canada. Usually against taller and bigger guys. What worked best : De-ashi-harai De-ashi harai ken-ken.
@badxradxandy
@badxradxandy Жыл бұрын
Kawazu gaki reminds me of a professional wrestling move I saw all the time in the late 90s the announcer called it "side Russian leg sweep" interesting to see it here.
@jesselowe9374
@jesselowe9374 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I think that IS the Russian leg sweep. A lot of moves from all grappling styles, you'll see in professional wrestling, because professional wrestling started off as Catch as Catch Can Wrestling. Many of those wrestlers faught Judoka and other grapplers at circuses. There was a crossover of information and techniques.
@jmamvs544
@jmamvs544 Жыл бұрын
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@craveiropat
@craveiropat Жыл бұрын
Também considero o seoi otoshi e kuzeres de ippon seoi e seoi nage ajoelhado como técnicas a serem evitadas devido ao risco de na execução gerar um impacto dos joelhos contra o solo duro.
@bjorndag2497
@bjorndag2497 Жыл бұрын
that one of the things i dont lke about judo, which respect highly!, ...you throw to throw, and most techniques dont really prepare for control and position, once a fight hits the grond.. Nice video, as al your stuff
@pignokor5536
@pignokor5536 Жыл бұрын
shuaijiao has kawazu gake too. it looks slightly different, but risk is less
@silafuyang8675
@silafuyang8675 Жыл бұрын
Sacrifice throws are good. Tomoe nage and its variations is the most useful. I have used it in self-defense situations. It is easy to pull off. The first time I did it I have never done judo before and did not swing my leg behind my head. The result was that the guy fell on my head but still I was able to turn on him. Tani otoshi, the way it is executred in modern judi, is not so good. Anyway, for self-defense, it can be modified and it will be useful too. Haven't used it, do not know.
@DartSion
@DartSion Жыл бұрын
These my favorites 😔
@christophervelez1561
@christophervelez1561 Жыл бұрын
I prefer head diving every throw on the street
@kudo2592
@kudo2592 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chadi.
@fabfab2991
@fabfab2991 Жыл бұрын
In my opnion ashi waza and te waza are the best for streets.
@lilosnitch3247
@lilosnitch3247 Жыл бұрын
To be honest... osoto gari is the best. Easy but the thing is.... many martial arts dont emphasize on kuzushi.
@matthewzito6130
@matthewzito6130 Жыл бұрын
I'm not fond of any throw or takedown that finishes in a neutral position where I have to immediately scramble for control or land inside my opponent's guard. The best throws and takedowns finish in a control position like side control, knee-on-chest, mount or back control.
@agricolaurbanus6209
@agricolaurbanus6209 Жыл бұрын
Imagine performing these on concrete or asphalt ground. Very high risk of severe self-injury.
@craveiropat
@craveiropat Жыл бұрын
Na minha visão, como auto defesa o básico funciona muito bem: • ippon seoi nage • sode tsuri komi goshi • ko uchi makikomi • hadaka jime • tate shiho gatame • ude garami
@ClwnJuNkY
@ClwnJuNkY Жыл бұрын
Yoko wakare very high percentage in comp . Ive seen some people knocked out
@angelsjoker8190
@angelsjoker8190 Жыл бұрын
In self-defense, as a general rule you should think of "the floor is lava, and you have protective boots on". So try to avoid going to the ground, hence don't do any Sutemi Waza/sacrifice throws, unless the attacker bullrushes you and you don't have any other option. In my opinion, if you master these four types of throws, you should be reasonably well equipped for self defense situations: Koshi Guruma (you can initiate it out of a striking exchange and control the opponents head), the main reaping techniques O Soto Gari and O Uchi Gari, and a good sweep like De Ashi Barai. You are in control how devastating they will be while staying on your feet ready to create distance from the attacker or follow up if he doesn't stop. Be good at Tomoe Naga for said case when the opponent surprises and bullrushes you, but don't try to purposefully set it up. You have no control over what lays on the ground and on what your back will impact the ground.
@Saitoshiba
@Saitoshiba Жыл бұрын
What will you do about something shooting for your legs? Like a wrestling version of morote gari? People don't practice defense from these techniques. One time I was practicing standing up in a BJJ class. The guy just went to shoot at my legs and in reflex I did tawara gaeshi. That's happened more than once because he didn't know too many throws since he only practiced BJJ. Would you say that tawara gaeshi is not good because you end up on the ground?
@angelsjoker8190
@angelsjoker8190 Жыл бұрын
@@Saitoshiba I'd say, if you can, avoid any Sutemi Waza, but if someone already grabbed your legs and you will fall anyway, then Tawara Gaeshi, or maybe even better Sumi Gaeshi can be a valid solution.
@Alexsnakedoc
@Alexsnakedoc Жыл бұрын
Can tani otoshi injure tori?
@zhangjinyao1994
@zhangjinyao1994 11 ай бұрын
I guess Shuaijiao/Mongolian Bokh ruleset are the best for street fight, you must stay on your feet after executing any throws.
@Mtripp005
@Mtripp005 Жыл бұрын
Actually the most dangerous throw to attempt in combat is turning your back to your opponent. In real combat, people carry weapons. Any x in the box step, any turning your back, means you can get knifed. In real world situations, stick to o Soto or O uchi.
@marekdabek8278
@marekdabek8278 Жыл бұрын
What is more, you can get jumped and chocked out if you turn your back to an opponent. If you fail a forward throw you end up in a worst possible position, on your knees with your back exposed. I agree with using simple ashi waza. Personally, I would add pick up techniques, due to potential damage they can cause (I am on the heavier side).
@SeanWinters
@SeanWinters Жыл бұрын
You are totally and completely wrong about number one. Tani o toshi it's not hard to pull off in a street fight where you're defending yourself, it is not hard to make sure you do some form of damage to your opponent while also being controlling, and it is not dangerous other most circumstances. I know this because I've done it in at least two fights off the mat. Maybe the way you learned how to do the throw made it inherently dangerous to ever to everyone involved, but the way that I was taught it and now teach it, your extended leg stays on the floor behind UKes far heel. Not only is this more effective than the leg tangle, it is much less dangerous than it too, and proposes much less of a risk for both parties. While Judo is heavily regimented and is very similar throughout much of the world, it is possible that the way you were taught Tani otoshi was with a lifted leg or something, but in my 16 years of Judo experience I've never witnessed anyone other than a BJJ guy get harmed by this throw.
@posho9308
@posho9308 Жыл бұрын
Uchi mata is not an option for personal defense, in competition looks great!!! but just that...
@janduits992
@janduits992 Жыл бұрын
Works literally everywhere
@posho9308
@posho9308 Жыл бұрын
@@janduits992 In México, I don't think so...
@Howleebra
@Howleebra Жыл бұрын
everybody picks on suteme waza as unappliable in self-defense but that's not true. Ive worked in Security Services most of my career and only use sacrifice techniques when I'm certain I'll come out in a superior position on the ground because you can literally pop right back up to your feet the moment you land if it's even necessary because you landed in a superior position... what you see in competition isn't real Judo, they never should have allowed the score when your opponent lands first but easily turns you to an inferior position because you over committed to the move and the kind of ridiculous things you see in kata demonstrations are completely laughable. Winning the takedown is all that matters, That's REAL Judo. Competition and kata are silly games
@PsychologyStud
@PsychologyStud Жыл бұрын
I would argue that tomoe nage is a bad move for self defense in general. I think in some situations, such as if they are pushing in and you are not good at any other takedowns, it is a viable option. However, I would never purposely go to or roll over to my back on a literal street or hard surface. I would have to have level 1000 awareness of my surroundings. What if a rock or furniture or something is under me or behind me? Seems too risky to do. Still better than those 5 you highlighted
@Urizen61
@Urizen61 Жыл бұрын
I admire Judo, but wouldn't these sacrifice throws be bad strategy off the mats? If you're on concrete, wouldn't a throw like Tomoe Nage be as likely to hurt you as your opponent?
@JamesMMcCann
@JamesMMcCann Жыл бұрын
Avoid any sacrifice throws (I call them suicide techniques) for legit self-defence. Great, you took the guy out, but his friends will be doing a River Dance on your head before the guy hits the ground.
@BacatauMania
@BacatauMania Жыл бұрын
Timestamps anyone?
@BURGAWMMA
@BURGAWMMA Жыл бұрын
Any turn throw is a dangerous option because it puts someone on your back and naturally sacrifice throws are only a good idea if you think you're about to be slammed... otherwise the sport of Judo is brilliant self-defense
@sergiocortinhas6742
@sergiocortinhas6742 Жыл бұрын
Of corse is not a good idea for self defense, those are sacrifice techniques, but very good for competition.
@doritodip8410
@doritodip8410 Жыл бұрын
Have to disagree with this list uki waza and tani otoshi are awesome and shintaro was speaking of ukis knee being at risk not tori when it comes to tani otoshi if uke sits it just helps the throw there are far worse throws like uki otoshi or sumi otoshi good luck trying to get those throws to work
@JoriMikke78
@JoriMikke78 16 күн бұрын
Judo shouldn't get a score (much lessen an ippon) on a throw that doesn't end up with you in the dominant position/in control.
@cahallo5964
@cahallo5964 Жыл бұрын
If I am ever in a self defense situation I'd go for a throw (just one) and if it doesn't work I'd just give up with the grappling and stab the dude
@ericdietz1795
@ericdietz1795 Жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, in the sumo tournament just ended a kawazu-gake was pulled off, which you don't see every day. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fInUnKuQfruif8U
@user-mw1ny9vp2g
@user-mw1ny9vp2g 4 ай бұрын
All throws from greco-roman
@emrebennett2857
@emrebennett2857 Жыл бұрын
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@rustyshackleford735
@rustyshackleford735 Жыл бұрын
Boost
@djignatin4043
@djignatin4043 Жыл бұрын
I have trained in a lot of martial arts. I have a wrestling background. I have black belts in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Tang Soo Do Karate. Throwing your opponent is not nearly as effective as a joint lock or chokehold.
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