'09 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Tach & Speedometer Cut Out - The Fix

In a previous video we had a look at a customers 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee that had a customer complaint of the tach and speedo dropping out. We quickly discovered that the CAN B data bus was having some issues and we narrowed it down to the front control module and some corrosion. Now it is time to get it fixed.
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[@SouthMainAuto]

Hope this made sense to everyone that made it this far. Big shout out to Keith over at L1 Auto Diagnostics ( www.youtube.com/@L1Training ) Could not have finished this job on my own that's for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@190055joe]

Re virginenise please I think you meant re initialise

[@ronallen6578]

​@@190055joeRevirginise (?) sounded much better😂😂

[@mikemiller3565]

It is amazing the talent, software, and tools that are required to fix cars today. It is no longer just a wrench turner but one can specialize in diagnostics and computers. Tell that to all young people hesitant to get into the skilled trades.

[@jeffboyer8214]

Change your oil more often, lady that's the issue with the cams ! Hava good day.

[@b.t.2795]

You're an excellent automotive diagnostic technician.

[@robiecarmichael9958]

A truly humble intelligent professional man. The man who knows his profession but is willing to say, well I have done all I can do. Let’s call Keith as I believe he has the ability to solve this final issue. A true team effort and because Eric, lead the team to a used module, proved it was the repair needed. Then brainstormed with Keith to give the customer an economically repaired vehicle. Eric your skills, integrity and knowledge of contacts abilities is what sets you apart from the rest. Great job! Hats off to Keith also

[@clintprice2123]

Eric has INTEGRITY, it’s what sets many people apart. He not in it just for money, he obviously prides himself in being for his customers too!

[@COBRO98]

@@clintprice2123 He still needs to charge more for labor in my opinion, I think he only charges $80/hour which is 2005 pricing. He does top-tier work. Meanwhile every other shop is now charging $200/hour or more, you should get paid what you're worth in the automotive industry. Most mechanics are broke because they sell themselves short while management gets all the money

[@Boga217]

​@@COBRO98not every shop. There's tons only at 100 to 130

[@Boga217]

​@@COBRO98at his rate if he's got 1 other guy working his shops grossing 7200 a week if he's just doing 5 days a week at 8hrs a person and 90 an hour. If his buildings paid for he's killing it financially just fine and will never question if there will be an endless work supply.

[@emort6]

​@Boga217 Also factor in the money he is making from YT which is probably a lot. It's cool of him to not charge a premium to his customers.

[@Sandbag1300]

Unbelievable. What an incredible journey from problem identification to solution. Probably one of the best problem solution videos made on the channel. Outstanding work!

[@MrGardman]

It always is a plus to have friends in the same business with the same goals to get the customer vehicle repaired.

[@mrmoodster5405]

He reaches, he fumbles, he misses... but wait... he reaches again, he grabs, he saves!!! The crowd erupts! Yes, Mr O has done it again. A magnificent recovery, and another great win. Well done. Another great, information packed video from a trouble-shooting expert.

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

he is a bulldog when it comes to this stuff

[@prussiaaero1802]

I’m trying to work out if this is a car fix report or a date night report! Could go either way!

[@mrmoodster5405]

@@prussiaaero1802 Paradise by the Dashboard Light (Meatloaf)!

[@MyCCW]

This man is a national treasure and needs to be protected at all costs.

[@CommomsenseSmith]

This is the beautiful thing about why Eric is a professional, because he keeps good company and has great resources to solve real problems without thousands of dollars in expensive parts that are not needed or in this case not available.

[@johnboywaltonbeard4699]

Eric’O…Great Job!! You sure went the extra mile to make this repair! Most shops would have just said “Parts not available, I can’t help you”.

[@chuckgrenci6404]

You are certainly NOT an idiot, and going back to the first video, you are, in fact a brilliant man. Thanks for sharing, and even when I can't do what you do; I am entertained and enjoy all that you do.

[@NOELTM]

Just been watching you 9 years back giving great advice on how to apply silicon spray to door seals to stop you getting frozen out of your vehicle. 9 years on and you are still making helpful and interesting videos. Bravo and thank you!

[@ScottFletcher-r3x]

Eric fellow trouble shooter here. Not cars for living but appliances. You have a gift for trouble shooting but you and everyone else knows that. You have the rare ability to convey your knowledge. I always watch and i encourage anyone who fixes ANYTHING to watch your system, your procedure. The gentleman who i approached at 17ish and asked will you teach me to do this. He looked me in face and said NOPE. The next thing he said changed my life. “I will teach you to trouble shoot. “Had no idea what he meant. I’m about to turn 55 the age of my turned out to be my father in law. What happened that day has allowed me to make a living for almost 40 years. I really appreciate you because I have never come across anyone until i found you that was such a great confident teacher since losing him. I hope everyone sees past the wrench turning and sees the life changing thing you do here.

[@marcokahny709]

Keith Defazio is like the Tron of control modules he's at a whole different level

[@marcokahny709]

My bad wrong Keith

[@L1Training]

It's OK, DeFazio is just as good!

[@goodcitizen64]

Another grest job and saved the customer alot of grief and money!

[@vincentlallo6543]

your patience and work ethic are incredible

[@mikemiller3565]

Another junk yard save

[@edchenal821]

Eric, You are way ahead of most techs. Too many only know how to swap out parts. Keep up the good work.

[@geraldfields6276]

No one else would take the time to do what was required to get this heap back on the road. You are a good man, Eric.

[@maxhenry1977]

This type of repair may not be in your wheelhouse but you got it. Good job, mr. O!

[@chrismccaskell7156]

Great job Eric. You saved the owner a lot of money.

[@amycyclenut]

Thank the lord for Keith (and all Keith's of the world)!

[@scottyparker2534]

One thing I really like about you Eric you don't back down or give up, And you explain it for even a dumb hill Billy like May can Understand it. Thanks for the video Thanks for the video Hope. You? And Ms O are doing well.

[@bornwestusa]

Wow. Eric once again showing us he has the skills to pay the bills!

[@ronallen6578]

Up front Eric, I watched both videos of course and understood zip😢😢😢. I'm so far out of knowing jack about electronics, but I hung in and watched you get another satisfied non Chevy up and running 😊😊. I truly enjoy your work and the fact that you actually help your customers is what is important to me. You're a good guy Eric. And that's not something you can say about most these days. Nice job😊😊😊

[@PMELKUS]

It's amazing how far we have come in automotive technology over the years. I started in car repair back in 1968 and back then cars were so easy to fix and you didn't need a half million dollars in tools to get the job done.

[@fbrewx2560]

Real progress huh! Mostly due to big government meddling.

[@steveo2669]

Sadly, the technology is creating early junk. Writing off perfectly sound bodied vehicles because an obsolete module corrodes or lets its smoke out. Perhaps one should get into the junkyard business now, and reap the benefits of the need for back flashing modules to differing vin's. Another excellent diagnostic win for SMA and the customer. Thanks Mr. O, never cease to amaze....."Enhance, enhance!" Shout out to L1 too.

[@tysshed5807]

Cars worth keeping will be converted to standalone ecus. A very expensive option but honestly probably the only viable option in 15-20 years when you can't get a module for your vette or other worthy car.

[@PMELKUS]

I feel that in a few more years the average person won't be able to afford a car because of the cost of repair and or lack of parts.

[@suttoncoldfield9318]

@@tysshed5807 Possibly items controlled by the module will be rewired with good 'ol manual switches and relays. Industrial programmable logic controllers using a laptop (check out Crouzet) are a thing too.

[@TheSirGoreaxe]

The biggest problem with that Jeep, was the manufacturers greed and despicable practices in making it impossible to repair. Luckily there are good people like Eric and Keith out there making it possible to keep these vehicles out on the road past the manufacturers planed obsolescence date.

[@stevebell4906]

But as long as you keep buying them why would they?

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

@@stevebell4906 That is why legislation is important that makes it possible for anyone to download the software or buy the manuals to repair their junk. These companies shouldn't be able to prevent you from repairing your vehicle by making the tools you need unavailable. It costs you money and it adds to waste. What might have been repairable in your home garage gets junked because the dealer wants $2K to fix it.

[@wk7060]

Great job Eric and Keith, definitely and awesome duo!

[@hans85]

Thank God for guys like Keith, who often save the day and many $$$

[@bobdankiewicz9939]

I agree with you, these computer failures will be the thing that junks these vehicles. There may be a business opportunity for 3rd party aftermarket retrofit kits, if state inspections will allow them. Thanks for the great videos, I learn a ton from them!

[@tompetrushka1627]

Once again, you prove it can be done! You and Keith both get atta boys for keeping this "Classic" in the road with no issues. At least till next time some electrons act up. Cheers.

[@alanmorrison3598]

How many shops out of every 100 could successfully do a job like this? I'll bet less than 5. Mr. "O" you are exceptional!!

[@zeke1eod]

Awesome job. Remember, JEEP stands for " Just Empty Every Pocket." hahaha that is a great service Keith provides. Stay safe, and God bless

[@chkr1610]

Great job Sir! Customers there are lucky to have someone that will go the extra mile to make things right.

[@kendavis1198]

Any one else would have just told the customer it couldn't be fixed, or to keep looking for another Module or perhaps an NOS unit somewhere. Nice work E.O. Customer s/b very happy they brought it to you.

[@major__kong]

For some modules or some functions on some modules, you could design your own microcontroller with an Arduino or something like that for those who know how to do that kind of stuff. That's how 2015s will be at car shows well into the future.

[@turner0224]

Eric’s perseverance is amazing, seldom do we see the frustration that occurs between the “ I’ll be back in a moment “ and the return ha ha . If there’s a way he’ll find it……..having friends and resources are a must

[@TIREDOFEVIL]

Eric, this one is well above the average backyard mechanic, the tools and access are not what we have. Thank you showing us average fokes that we have lost some ability to correct these POS electronic controlled vehicles. Your skill and knowledge are an asset to us, thank you.

[@Sicktrickintuner]

Well if I can do it…… you can do, wait. I can’t do it without thousands in software and subscriptions. It’s a pain nowadays to program dodge, jeep ram. Just dumb.

[@zackarymcclain164]

I talked to Keith about this past weekend. Wild it got posted after I talked to him!

[@kyletuttle9064]

Great job Eric O. Keith is also something else.thanks for sharing.

[@leecarroll1817]

I'm the first to agree that electronics are great but occasionally feel we have just about screw ourselves into a corner. I do long for the old mechanical stuff days. Likely I'm a barnicle past my best use date. Keep up the good diagnosis. You are great.

[@cephasrodgers9417]

Another great video series showing proper diagnosis and fix, with the help of a friend. Thanks Eric, keep up the good work as we are all learning with you ;-)

[@DIYDaveOK]

Just more reasons to stay away from Stellantis garbage, as if we needed more...thanks as always, Eric!

[@peters9929]

Eric never fails to amaze me , such an honest talented guy and Mrs O is luverly too

[@rayboudreault1452]

It would be interesting to know the year and the model of vehicles that have the problem of parts no longer being made. There are people out there who would buy a 2015 not knowing you can’t buy certain parts for it. If mechanics such as yourself and Ivan would start listing them perhaps some young people would not be taken advantage of.

[@DeWittPotts]

US manufactures are required to maintain support for their vehicles for a minimum of 5 years. That means that today anything earlier than a 2018 model could be at risk.

[@stevebell4906]

@@DeWittPotts I have been hearing this myth since i was a kid only the number of years has varied from teller to teller..there is no law it is a free country ...as evidenced by all of the junk for sale that has never worked...No one is going to make you go into business or stay in business... Perhaps you have never noticed all of the exit strategies ?....For example all of the companies that simply file bankruptcy...Siphoned off all of the assets paid golden golden parachutes and bonuses ....And convince us?...

[@howardscott7521]

Amazing what issues one rotted pin can set off. Brilliant diagnosis and fix, as usual.

[@william121852]

This is why I will NEVER buy a Chrysler product ! Great Vid

[@rogerv1405]

I’m glad I live 1 1/2 hrs from your shop. If I ever need electronics look at on a vehicle--I will be calling for an appointment.

[@jrehtil1494]

It is great to have good friends to seek out for help

[@chrisstone3939]

Great diag revealing the complexities of modern car electronics! Eric's skill in diagnosing complex circuitry problems is truly awesome.

[@prep1989]

Wow! three uses of a word I've never heard before, "revirginize". Always something to be learned here

[@goranekstrom708]

If the "only" issue was crusty connectors, another solution could have been to replace the connector on the original module with the one from the replacement module.

[@goranekstrom708]

​@@jimbeaux1109 Connectors are usually molded, therefore sealed, so it would have to have been cracked for 'crust' to come from the inside. I guess since I work with electronics I see that way being easier.

[@timothycooney986]

You should be commended for your knowledge, perseverance. Your customer is incredibly fortunate.

[@jimbergen5232]

Another great job and a big thank you shout out to Keith @L1Training. I gave Keith a 'Subscribe '

[@aarondean8299]

You’re the best Eric. What an excellent service you provide in a throwaway world. Just the complete opposite can be said of Chrysler. They made the profit on it, can’t help you on this one, throw it away. Just come on in and we can set you up on easy payments on another piece of crapp. When are people going to wake up and stop buying this junk. I was a GM guy all my life and I will never buy another GM product as long as I live. And just wait when all the problems on the EV vehicles start. You have an excellent channel, very informative as well as humour between the lines. Aaron from Canada

[@GateKeeper97]

Genius as always. Would to see more of the other jeep torn down.

[@mtebaldi1]

Awesome job, stay positive Eric. You are a great automotive diagnostic technician mechanic.

[@bobpotocki5833]

Did exactly this with 2005 FCM. Physically FCM IPM identical. There is an aftermarket/rebuilder procedure. 1. Disconnect power-swap fcm 2. Turn ignition to on for 90 seconds when canbus network will reset itself including rewrite of vin in FCM. Turn ignition off without attempting to start. 3. Ignition on. Confirm vin in FCM. Start. Worked for me.

[@davefilicicchia6341]

Eric, way to see it through to the end! You found the crusty pin issue, fixed the half that you could, and got the VIN issue taken care of (even if you did need extra help). Way to get 'er done!

[@donaldmarty8445]

Another impressive diagnosis and repair, Eric! Well done!!!!

[@farmcentralohio]

The suspense was almost to much. I wanted to jump to the end to see what happened but like a good SMA fan I resisted and watched the whole thing. Well done Mr. Eric, had all the twists and turns in this one

[@brianhunt9026]

If you struggle a little the average tech has no chance. Well done.

[@sspnugen]

Keith is amazing

[@mikerobbins5049]

Well imagine that...... a car manufacturer that makes parts obsolete after a few years..... I can’t believe they would do that... You would think that they would want you to be able to repair your vehicle and drive it for 500,000 miles at least......LOL.... It’s a good thing that you know a guy..... Great JOB Eric...

[@THEMANCAVE2023]

Eric I truly appreciate your diagnostics skills and your ability to say hey I need help. If all mechanics worked in this manner the auto repair industry would be a much better field these days

[@rowlandpichey6602]

Great series!! Find the issue, resources and repair!! enjoy watching you solve these!!

[@robertlacob8831]

South Main Automotive proves where there is a will, there is a way. Always looking for the unexpected fix because someone has already been there.

[@ovalteen4404]

Gotta love that in order to reprogram modules, you need to go through secret handshakes and expensive subscriptions.... or find the 3rd party software that is likely available to chop shops. All the hoops that people have to jump through for legal substitution has zero payout in stopping theft.

[@gregsidel3557]

Good job eric, So fortunate to have you showing people as much as you can. What is going on with this stuff, Glad you're there thank you very much

[@HeyBirt]

You are 100% correct. Even folks not in the rust belt will be SOL when (not if) the manufacturer stops supporting the overcomplicated electronics crap. I'm an EE and have done electronics and electromechanical repairs my whole life so I'm not against electronics, give me electronic ignition over points all day long. Node locked modules that require special tools to reprogram are bad enough, making them so they can't be reprogrammed is criminal. For most folks a car is the second largest purchase they will ever make with their house being number one. Imagine if houses worked like cars. Your fridge dies but is node locked to your house. The only fridge that will work with your house is no longer supported and so you find a used one, but you can't program it to work with your house without knowing the guy with the special software to reset (hack) your fridge and then you have to pay $150 to access the house builder's website to program the used, reset, fridge just to get it to work. Nobody would put up with this with their house, but we bend over and take it when it comes to cars. Why?

[@mikemiller3565]

Coming to a house soon.

[@HeyBirt]

@@jimbeaux1109 A modern smart battery charging circuit can sense the battery health and adjust. There is no need to rest 'battery learning'. The only reason to have such a system is to 'perhaps' keep track of the age of the battery to suggest replacement based on time.

[@billylyle1]

Your are the Jeep Whisperer....Your tech skills are NASA grade....Love the Video

[@davechan5159]

Been watching your channel for a little while now. I’m a returning technician and was poking around to find channels to help me update and broaden my knowledge base. I really like your approach and methodology in terms of diagnostics - and there are many take aways as per standard. You’ve been a huge blessing not only to myself and I’m confident in saying to many others. Thanks for helping out a guy who came from the early days of OBII catch up - it’s been a rocket ship ride so far and I’m totally stoked to see, experience and continue to grow. Thank you so much for all you do Eric, if and when you leave the bench, please find your way to the nearest technical college and continue to educate and encourage the future generations of mechanics!! P.s I totally get the getting older and needing the reading glasses thing, every time you go and grab yours, it brings the question to mind, where the heck did I leave mine 😂 Cheers!!

[@Mike44460]

Eric says, "I don't know everything." OK, but if you know where the answers are, well, you pretty much do. OUTSTANDING!

[@grahamstuart3207]

great to have friends like Keith Eric

[@rogerwynn2131]

On the hemi engine, they should’ve stayed with flat-tappit lifters. I really enjoyed your approach to the problem on the Jeep and the fix great job.

[@AnthonySmith-hr2kp]

Yea. Way beyond me!!! Good job Mr O, good job!!

[@wadecornwell8896]

I wonder how many auto repair professionals, world-wide, are able to do what you do? I suspect not many.... Amazing! Bless you and your family!

[@davidkane4300]

Nice... Glad it worked out the correct way. If Keith couldn't revirginize the module, I was going to suggest going back to Wilbur's and grabbing the airbag module to see if that would make it happy. I did it with a Volvo that had blown side airbags... Putting in the junkyard bags and module cleared the airbag light

[@29auto30]

What an INCREDIBLE JOB!

[@janetcoursey6756]

You are without a doubt AMAZING! You are like a bulldog, you just keep going until you find a way to fix it! Love your channel, I check every day in anticipation of a new video!

[@mikeberry304]

More modern electrical shite that we have to try and fix Eric , great video 📹, no help from the dealers as usual , great to know a man who can , I had a customers Dacia over here in the UK, had an airbag light on , tried to clear the code and boom., car that drove in , now won't start , a bit of research showed if airbag control unit showing issues , the car thinks it's had a crash and won't start , Dacia wanted nearly 400 quid for the part , then they would have to program it, another 150 quid , plus recovery to them 80 quid , found a tech guru over here in the UK, packed it to him , 65 quid later , a couple of days , put it back in the car , no faults and it started and been fine now for over 12 months , what's wrong with 6 wires and drive away every day 😂

[@jayjudd6518]

Ho Lee Chit this opened my eyes 👀. As you said no classic cars in the future. Talk about built in obsolescence. Then you have manufacturers wanting to have the power to turn your car off for one reason or another. Your world just gets worse. Hacking cars for ransoms is next.

[@glassvial]

Halfway through this video I had a feeling you were going to have to have L1 give you a hand with this one, I'm glad he helped you sort this thing out, and I have a feeling you're right, without guys like Keith you are going to see more vehicles totaled out due to dead electronics. Also, would it help to put some dielectric grease or Fluid Film up in that connector to help prevent this problem from happening again?

[@GarnConstructionInc]

Nice work Eric! Nice to have bacon saving friends.

[@robertalexander9931]

It's not what you know it's who you know, and it's good to friends with them.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Good job, Eric! Good job Keith! You probably spent more money to configure the FCM, than it cost you on the salvage yard. You are right, in the future, the antique car shows, will continue to display the same old glories and none of the brave new computers with wheels.

[@aBigMeanie]

i have an eeprom programmer that allows the data off a dead module to be read and then perfectly burned onto a used good module, effectively cloning the original without going through any manufacturer's rigmarole. old cars will live!

[@arlynsmith9196]

Very impressive! When you were yanking that module off the fuse box I knew I would never have that kind of confidence because I would have caused damage that cost big bucks to fix. I do wish that 20 years ago when I got a computer science degree I had been smart enough to foresee what was happening to vehicles and learned the low level languages to make a tool as you described. Too late now but I have a ton of respect for those who did it and a ton of respect for those of you who trust your skills and resources. Nice job!

[@RustyToothPick7300]

Alpha OBD is a great tool for Chrysler Dodge products. I've unlocked options that were unavailable to my truck such as auto down windows and recognizing LED lights. I no longer have errors!

[@shanestrains2849]

I ordered a HVAC Module from LKQ, gave them the exact part number and recieved a blower resistor, hvac control head centerstack, and a blend door actuator before I received the HVAC Module. Also on a chrysler! 2016 Ram.

[@albonnenfant3902]

Wonder if it would be easier to repair the connector on the module? Even if it was just a wire jumper from the module to the harness. Or are those modules filled with epoxy? Still would be possible for a person without all the test equipment to do. Would be interesting to see inside one of them. Thanks for the video!

[@rsage_]

I'm hoping sooner than later most of these modules will have "jailbreaks" on them (essentially allow admin access at all levels of the modules to write whatever you want). Disconnect OnStar permanently, upgrade your stereo and configure the original steering controls, learn or delete the TPS, delete the key sensor so any correctly cut key works... So many amazing vehicles will go to the scrap yard because of electronics issues. So many cool engine swaps and parts grafting could be done without these silly barriers. Compare the cost of how many thefts are kept from happening vs how many people had to pay to get a new set of keys reprogrammed... these are just barriers to make money and to make things obsolete.

[@neilmurphy845]

Fantastic jop done brilliant example of teamwork

[@michaeld9731]

Super interesting how you accomplished the fix on this car. Expanding your team by using Keith's expertise to enable the 'new' module to be re-configured was excellent and crucial to fixing the problem. I suspect a lot of other shops would have said, "...this module is no longer available--sorry, can't fix this."

[@ChrisWilliams-pu8pj]

Great job! You and Ivan have the persistence to get-er-done!

[@lexteakmialoki5544]

I think this video again broke the "If I can you can" theme. Wow what a diag and fix. You are the best of the best.

[@smijas]

Love and help from others makes it all work and worthwhile! I love your detailed diagnostics videos Eric, keep em coming.

[@onemechca]

It's great to have friends in the community that help each other. Well done Eric and Keith. Keep it up my friends.

[@freebird7328]

Still cheaper than the Kawasaki K-pass system. You can do ir, I don't think I can.. Great work!

[@johnibbertson2960]

by the way this was my favourite, you finding the corroded plug,good on you eric.

[@toddcathyfranklin4189]

Once again amazed at the way you figure to check stuff out great job

[@jeffhendryx239]

You are Absolutely Amazing!! I Love your tenacity and determination to see a problem through!! Nothing but RESPECT for you Eric! Great job 👏🏻